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Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Mario
 

Aleeha and anyone who is thinking it's not a big deal, it's really not
but for most it is a big deal, but the point of all of this discussion
leads to questions.
in Microsoft's efforts to improve accessibility, why did Microsoft
decide to disable the playing of some system sounds triggered by their
associated events? if the sounds used to play in previous versions of
Windows, why couldn't Microsoft leave the playing of the sounds alone
and just work on (more important) accessibility improvements?
leaving the sounds intact wouldn't harm anything. they don't prevent the
progress of what ever they have to do to improve accessibility.
and the user could always disable the playing of system sounds by
setting their associations to none if they are so freaked out of having
sounds play for certain system events.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Aleeha Dudley [mailto:blindcowgirl1993@...]
Sent: Tuesday, Jul 31, 2018 10:50 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10

Hi all,
I am a very infrequent poster on this list, but I needed to contribute
on this one.
The lack of a shutdown sound does NOT indicate a lack of accessibility
You could always use a light detector app to determine if the screen is
off, or place your ear close to the computer to hear the different
sounds stop. Systems change. That’s a fact. The Mac, for example, does
not make the startup sound on the new machines. It’s sad, but it’s true.
In an age where people want faster operating systems and less noise from
machines, Microsoft has to go with what the public wants, not a niche
market. If you really think that Microsoft or any other company is
stepping back in terms of accessibility, I’d strongly encourage you to
do a bit of research into current accessibility developments first.
Aleeha
On Jul 31, 2018, at 9:42 AM, David Ingram <dingram269@...> wrote:

hi list members, what version of jaws are being used currently? If the
answers is jaws 2018 or jaws 17 then you should hear all system sounds.
I'currently using jaws version 16. This means that if you're using jaws
17 or 2018 with windows 10 version 1803 you should hear all system
soundsI'm going to check to see whether windows 10 version 1803 does the
same with firefox?


-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 <cecropia64@...>
Sent: Jul 31, 2018 9:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Maybe. But that's what these lists are for. To ask questions and get
answers if there are any to be had.


On 7/31/2018 10:17 AM, Alan Robbins via Groups.Io wrote:
I wish I had a dollar for every time this thread starts up on this list
as well as other lists. It seems to me there must be a reason Microsoft
stopped having a shut down sound. Has anyone ever taken the time to
research this or ask Microsoft? It would seem to me to be energy better
spend than repeatedly asking this question on email lists.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 9:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

I disagree with that statement about Microsoft not caring about
accessibility. If this were so then why the major and continueing
improvements of Narrator and if this statement was true then Apple also
does not care about accessibility (which of course is not true) because
the iPhone makes neither a startup sound nor a shutdown sound.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 3:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10


Taking away the shutdown sound in Windows 10 proves once again that MS
really does not careabout accessibility, contrary to what some list
members believe to the contrary. What possible advantage is there to
having no audible means of confirming that your computer has completely
shut down? On some laptops, the cooling fan is so weak that it is
difficult to impossible to tell whether it is running just by feeling or
placing your ear next to the case, so this may not be a reliable
substitute for the shutdown sound.
Maybe someone who is smarter than me can explain how eliminating the
shutdown sound is an "improvement".

Gerald



Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Mario
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 8:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

in the meantime, it would be appreciated, I think by most blind and/or
sighted users, to send feedback to Microsoft pleeding that the familiar
Windows 7 shutdown sound be reenabled and that any wav file can be
assigned as it was possible with earlier versions of Windows, i.e. via
the sounds applett of the control panel.
there might be a chance MS would consider it if there were compelling
reasons such as for blind users who choose to completely shutdown their
system and are using a laptop (or desktop) that does not have any means
of testing to see if the system is truely shutdown. the more the reasons
that are reasonable, the better the chance MS might do it. no?




-------- Original Message --------
From: cecropia64 [mailto:cecropia64@...]
Sent: Monday, Jul 30, 2018 7:35 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10

yup, me too. I'm gonna use Windows 7 until Microsoft says "no more".
But by then I hope to have learned enough about Windows 10 to at least
use it without too much of an issue. We shall see about that.


On 7/30/2018 6:24 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

So how can you tell for sure that your computer has shut down completely
if there is no sound like in Windows 7 and earlier? This is yet another
reason why I'm in no hurry to upgrade to Windows 10.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 5:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

With Windows 10, there is no way to assign a shutdown sound.

Pastor Gil

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Teresa
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 1:56 PM
To: JFW <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10

good afternoon list: how do I assign a sound when windows 10 shuts down?
Thanks to all in advance.














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Slicers in Microsoft Excel.

Flor Lynch
 

Hi,
 
This is my first message here.
 
A friend has the problem of not being able to access what are called slicers, sometimes used in pivot tables, in Microsoft Excel. He writes:
 
Hi all,
 
Google has got me nowhere on this, so hoping some excel expert here can help ☺️
 
We have a lot of reports and dashboards built in excel at work. For filtering results, many of them use these visual sort of buttons called slicers.
Does anyone know if there is a way of accessing these slicers with a screen reader?
 
In addition, some have refresh buttons inside floating objects? Can I access those with screen readers?
 
Thanks,
Dave

Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Maria Campbell
 

Dumb!


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 7/31/2018 11:33 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
Agreed. The entire thing is so petty. If you want to know if your computer is on or off, do like I have done. Arrow up or down, if it makes a screen reader sound, it is on, if nothing happens, either your computer is off or someone has shut off the sound. For those who bitch about M S, if you don't like it, get a MAC. Time for the little kitties to go to bed and let the adults worry about the important things.

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of cecropia64
Sent: July 31, 2018 8:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Guess that is what I was thinking as well. I understand all the input on the subject. I guess I just don't understand all the hoopla. What is the big deal? None as far as I can tell. But opinions are vast and everyone has one. Some are more in depth than others. Not everyone will be happy with all when it comes to accessibility. I guess I wish it was more uniform across the board.


Stew


On 7/31/2018 10:54 AM, Mario wrote:
Cecropia64, I agree. if it's trivial to do, why can't MS do it?

-------- Original Message --------
From: cecropia64 [mailto:cecropia64@...]
Sent: Tuesday, Jul 31, 2018 10:29 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10

It's not like they have to change the program or add any major
increase in size or anything. Just put the sounds back where they
used to be. I, personally, want to make my own choices and want the
sounds there. If I choose to disable them, it's my own choice. But
I'd like to have a choice to make and not have someone else do the choice making for me.


On 7/31/2018 10:11 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
But even with JAWS 2018, there is still no shutdown sound in Windows
10. The way I see it, if MS has decided to eliminate the shutdown
sound, then it might aswell eliminate all system sounds. What’s the
point of keeping some sounds while eliminating others?
Gerald
*From:* David Ingram <mailto:dingram269@...>
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:03 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: shut down sound for windows 10 jaws version 16. If
you're using jaws 2018 then you should be able to hear all of your
system sounds with jaws. This doesn't mean that jaws
16 will not work with this latest update of windows 10. It actually does.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonas Voll
Sent: Jul 31, 2018 8:56 AM
To: "main@jfw.groups.io"
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

I do not like other people making Decisions for myself!

Free will, is what I want!

JonasVoll
Support Technician I
Envision, Inc.
2301 S Water ST
Wichita, KS67213
O: 316-425-7141
F: 316-267-4312
www.envisionus.com <http://www.envisionus.com>

Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration
and opportunity for people who are blind or visually impaired
through employment, outreach, rehabilitation, education and research.


*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 31, 2018 8:41 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: shut down sound for windows 10

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 09:16 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I disagree with that statement about Microsoft not caring
about accessibility.

As does anyone who pays the slightest bit of attention. The
creation of Narrator, and the degree of ongoing development of
same, marked a tectonic shift in Microsoft's attitude toward
accessibility.

Although I loved the shutdown sound, and see why it can be useful,
even on a laptop there are easy ways to tell if a computer is shut
down or not. Just place your hand near the fan exit vent and you
will feel the stream of air, which is usually significantly warmer
than any room temperature, cease flowing upon complete shutdown,
as the fans are the last thing to shut down.

The shutdown sound is a triviality in the world of accessibility.
Pick your battles.

--
Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

/The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing
in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the
tempting moment./

~ Dorothy Nevill


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Re: shut down sound for windows 10

David & his pack of dogs
 

Agreed. The entire thing is so petty. If you want to know if your computer is on or off, do like I have done. Arrow up or down, if it makes a screen reader sound, it is on, if nothing happens, either your computer is off or someone has shut off the sound. For those who bitch about M S, if you don't like it, get a MAC. Time for the little kitties to go to bed and let the adults worry about the important things.

David & his pack of dogs. Benny, Sheena both no longer with us, Champ, Kendra, Richie, and Carmine.
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of cecropia64
Sent: July 31, 2018 8:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Guess that is what I was thinking as well. I understand all the input on the subject. I guess I just don't understand all the hoopla. What is the big deal? None as far as I can tell. But opinions are vast and everyone has one. Some are more in depth than others. Not everyone will be happy with all when it comes to accessibility. I guess I wish it was more uniform across the board.


Stew


On 7/31/2018 10:54 AM, Mario wrote:
Cecropia64, I agree. if it's trivial to do, why can't MS do it?

-------- Original Message --------
From: cecropia64 [mailto:cecropia64@...]
Sent: Tuesday, Jul 31, 2018 10:29 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10

It's not like they have to change the program or add any major
increase in size or anything. Just put the sounds back where they
used to be. I, personally, want to make my own choices and want the
sounds there. If I choose to disable them, it's my own choice. But
I'd like to have a choice to make and not have someone else do the choice making for me.


On 7/31/2018 10:11 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
But even with JAWS 2018, there is still no shutdown sound in Windows
10. The way I see it, if MS has decided to eliminate the shutdown
sound, then it might aswell eliminate all system sounds. What’s the
point of keeping some sounds while eliminating others?
Gerald
*From:* David Ingram <mailto:dingram269@...>
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:03 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: shut down sound for windows 10 jaws version 16. If
you're using jaws 2018 then you should be able to hear all of your
system sounds with jaws. This doesn't mean that jaws
16 will not work with this latest update of windows 10. It actually does.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonas Voll
Sent: Jul 31, 2018 8:56 AM
To: "main@jfw.groups.io"
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

I do not like other people making Decisions for myself!

Free will, is what I want!

JonasVoll
Support Technician I
Envision, Inc.
2301 S Water ST
Wichita, KS67213
O: 316-425-7141
F: 316-267-4312
www.envisionus.com <http://www.envisionus.com>

Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration
and opportunity for people who are blind or visually impaired
through employment, outreach, rehabilitation, education and research.


*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 31, 2018 8:41 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: shut down sound for windows 10

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 09:16 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I disagree with that statement about Microsoft not caring
about accessibility.

As does anyone who pays the slightest bit of attention. The
creation of Narrator, and the degree of ongoing development of
same, marked a tectonic shift in Microsoft's attitude toward
accessibility.

Although I loved the shutdown sound, and see why it can be useful,
even on a laptop there are easy ways to tell if a computer is shut
down or not. Just place your hand near the fan exit vent and you
will feel the stream of air, which is usually significantly warmer
than any room temperature, cease flowing upon complete shutdown,
as the fans are the last thing to shut down.

The shutdown sound is a triviality in the world of accessibility.
Pick your battles.

--
Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

/The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing
in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the
tempting moment./

~ Dorothy Nevill


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Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Aleeha Dudley
 

No, actually, I have spoke to many sighted people who like the ribbons better. I myself like them better. You can still use classic keyboard shortcuts.
Aleeha

MS doesn't give a rat's ass what the public thinks. If it did, it would have replaced the much-despised ribbon menu structure with the more convenient and less cumbersome classic menu structure that most of its customers, sighted and blind alike, prefer. On the contrary, MS seems to go out of its way to frustrate and tick off its customers just to prove that they can do anything they damn well please and get away with it.

Gerald

-----Original Message----- From: Aleeha Dudley
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Hi all,
I am a very infrequent poster on this list, but I needed to contribute on this one.
The lack of a shutdown sound does NOT indicate a lack of accessibility You could always use a light detector app to determine if the screen is off, or place your ear close to the computer to hear the different sounds stop. Systems change. That’s a fact. The Mac, for example, does not make the startup sound on the new machines. It’s sad, but it’s true. In an age where people want faster operating systems and less noise from machines, Microsoft has to go with what the public wants, not a niche market. If you really think that Microsoft or any other company is stepping back in terms of accessibility, I’d strongly encourage you to do a bit of research into current accessibility developments first.
Aleeha
On Jul 31, 2018, at 9:42 AM, David Ingram <dingram269@...> wrote:

hi list members, what version of jaws are being used currently? If the answers is jaws 2018 or jaws 17 then you should hear all system sounds. I'currently using jaws version 16. This means that if you're using jaws 17 or 2018 with windows 10 version 1803 you should hear all system soundsI'm going to check to see whether windows 10 version 1803 does the same with firefox?


-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 <cecropia64@...>
Sent: Jul 31, 2018 9:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Maybe. But that's what these lists are for. To ask questions and get
answers if there are any to be had.


On 7/31/2018 10:17 AM, Alan Robbins via Groups.Io wrote:
I wish I had a dollar for every time this thread starts up on this list as well as other lists. It seems to me there must be a reason Microsoft stopped having a shut down sound. Has anyone ever taken the time to research this or ask Microsoft? It would seem to me to be energy better spend than repeatedly asking this question on email lists.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 9:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

I disagree with that statement about Microsoft not caring about accessibility. If this were so then why the major and continueing improvements of Narrator and if this statement was true then Apple also does not care about accessibility (which of course is not true) because the iPhone makes neither a startup sound nor a shutdown sound.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 3:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10


Taking away the shutdown sound in Windows 10 proves once again that MS really does not careabout accessibility, contrary to what some list members believe to the contrary. What possible advantage is there to having no audible means of confirming that your computer has completely shut down? On some laptops, the cooling fan is so weak that it is difficult to impossible to tell whether it is running just by feeling or placing your ear next to the case, so this may not be a reliable substitute for the shutdown sound.
Maybe someone who is smarter than me can explain how eliminating the shutdown sound is an "improvement".

Gerald



Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Mario
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 8:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

in the meantime, it would be appreciated, I think by most blind and/or sighted users, to send feedback to Microsoft pleeding that the familiar Windows 7 shutdown sound be reenabled and that any wav file can be assigned as it was possible with earlier versions of Windows, i.e. via the sounds applett of the control panel.
there might be a chance MS would consider it if there were compelling reasons such as for blind users who choose to completely shutdown their system and are using a laptop (or desktop) that does not have any means of testing to see if the system is truely shutdown. the more the reasons that are reasonable, the better the chance MS might do it. no?




-------- Original Message --------
From: cecropia64 [mailto:cecropia64@...]
Sent: Monday, Jul 30, 2018 7:35 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10

yup, me too. I'm gonna use Windows 7 until Microsoft says "no more".
But by then I hope to have learned enough about Windows 10 to at least use it without too much of an issue. We shall see about that.


On 7/30/2018 6:24 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

So how can you tell for sure that your computer has shut down completely if there is no sound like in Windows 7 and earlier? This is yet another reason why I'm in no hurry to upgrade to Windows 10.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 5:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

With Windows 10, there is no way to assign a shutdown sound.

Pastor Gil

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Teresa
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 1:56 PM
To: JFW <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10

good afternoon list: how do I assign a sound when windows 10 shuts down?
Thanks to all in advance.














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Re: shut down sound for windows 10

cecropia64
 

Problem is that Microsoft isn't blind.  They really have no idea how hard it can be for us.  If they did I think they'd put more effort into it.  I know they have come a long way but it would be nice if they made the normal stuff more useable as well, not just their own stuff.

On 7/31/2018 11:18 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

MS doesn't give a rat's ass what the public thinks.  If it did, it would have replaced the much-despised ribbon menu structure with the more convenient and less cumbersome classic menu structure that most of its customers, sighted and blind alike,  prefer. On the contrary, MS seems to go out of its way to frustrate and tick off its customers just to prove that they can do anything they damn well please and get away with it.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Aleeha Dudley
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Hi all,
I am a very infrequent poster on this list, but I needed to contribute on this one.
The lack of a shutdown sound does NOT indicate a lack of accessibility You could always use a light detector app to determine if the screen is off, or place your ear close to the computer to hear the different sounds stop. Systems change. That’s a fact. The Mac, for example, does not make the startup sound on the new machines. It’s sad, but it’s true. In an age where people want faster operating systems and less noise from machines, Microsoft has to go with what the public wants, not a niche market. If you really think that Microsoft or any other company is stepping back in terms of accessibility, I’d strongly encourage you to do a bit of research into current accessibility developments first.
Aleeha
On Jul 31, 2018, at 9:42 AM, David Ingram <dingram269@...> wrote:

hi list members, what version of jaws are being used currently? If the answers is jaws 2018 or jaws 17 then you should hear all system sounds. I'currently using jaws version 16.  This means that if you're using jaws 17 or 2018 with windows 10 version 1803 you should hear all system soundsI'm going to check to see whether windows 10 version 1803 does the same with firefox?


-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 <cecropia64@...>
Sent: Jul 31, 2018 9:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Maybe.  But that's what these lists are for.  To ask questions and get
answers if there are any to be had.


On 7/31/2018 10:17 AM, Alan Robbins via Groups.Io wrote:
I wish I had a dollar for every time this thread starts up on this list as well as other lists. It seems to me there must be a reason Microsoft stopped having a shut down sound. Has anyone ever taken the time to research this or ask Microsoft? It would seem to me to be energy better spend than repeatedly asking this question on email lists.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 9:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

I disagree with that statement about Microsoft not caring about accessibility. If this were so then why the major and continueing improvements of Narrator and if this statement was true then Apple also does not care about accessibility (which of course is not true) because the iPhone makes neither a startup sound nor a shutdown sound.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 3:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10


Taking away the shutdown sound in Windows 10 proves once again that MS really does not careabout accessibility, contrary to what some list members believe to the contrary. What possible advantage is there to having no audible means of confirming that your computer has completely shut down? On some laptops, the cooling fan is so weak that it is difficult to impossible to tell whether it is running just by feeling or placing your ear next to the case, so this may not be a reliable substitute for the shutdown sound.
Maybe someone who is smarter than me can explain how eliminating the shutdown sound is an "improvement".

Gerald



Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Mario
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 8:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

in the meantime, it would be appreciated, I think by most blind and/or sighted users, to send feedback to Microsoft pleeding that the familiar Windows 7 shutdown sound be reenabled and that any wav file can be assigned as it was possible with earlier versions of Windows, i.e. via the sounds applett of the control panel.
there might be a chance MS would consider it if there were compelling reasons such as for blind users who choose to completely shutdown their system and are using a laptop (or desktop) that does not have any means of testing to see if the system is truely shutdown. the more the reasons that are reasonable, the better the chance MS might do it. no?




-------- Original Message --------
From: cecropia64 [mailto:cecropia64@...]
Sent: Monday, Jul 30, 2018 7:35 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10

yup, me too.  I'm gonna use Windows 7 until Microsoft says "no more".
But by then I hope to have learned enough about Windows 10 to at least use it without too much of an issue.  We shall see about that.


On 7/30/2018 6:24 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

So how can you tell for sure that your computer has shut down completely if there is no sound like in Windows 7 and earlier? This is yet another reason why I'm in no hurry to upgrade to Windows 10.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 5:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

With Windows 10, there is no way to assign a shutdown sound.

Pastor Gil

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Teresa
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 1:56 PM
To: JFW <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10

good afternoon list: how do I assign a sound when windows 10 shuts down?
Thanks to all in advance.














.























Re: shut down sound for windows 10

cecropia64
 

Guess that is what I was thinking as well.  I understand  all the input on the subject.  I guess I just don't understand all the hoopla.  What is the big deal?  None as far as I can tell.  But opinions are vast and everyone has one.  Some are more in depth than others.  Not everyone will be happy with all when it comes to accessibility.  I guess I wish it was more uniform across the board.


Stew

On 7/31/2018 10:54 AM, Mario wrote:
Cecropia64, I agree. if it's trivial to do, why can't MS do it?

-------- Original Message --------
From: cecropia64 [mailto:cecropia64@...]
Sent: Tuesday, Jul 31, 2018 10:29 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10

It's not like they have to change the program or add any major increase
in size or anything.  Just put the sounds back where they used to be. I,
personally, want to make my own choices and want the sounds there. If I
choose to disable them, it's my own choice.  But I'd like to have a
choice to make and not have someone else do the choice making for me.


On 7/31/2018 10:11 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
But even with JAWS 2018, there is still no shutdown sound in Windows
10.  The way I see it, if MS has decided to eliminate the shutdown
sound, then it might aswell eliminate all system sounds.  What’s the
point of keeping some sounds while eliminating others?
Gerald
*From:* David Ingram <mailto:dingram269@...>
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:03 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: shut down sound for windows 10
jaws version 16. If you're using jaws 2018 then you should be able to
hear all of your system sounds with jaws. This doesn't mean that jaws
16 will not work with this latest update of windows 10. It actually does.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Jonas Voll
    Sent: Jul 31, 2018 8:56 AM
    To: "main@jfw.groups.io"
    Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

    I do not like other people making Decisions for myself!

    Free will, is what I want!

    JonasVoll
    Support Technician I
    Envision, Inc.
    2301 S Water ST
    Wichita, KS67213
    O: 316-425-7141
    F: 316-267-4312
    www.envisionus.com <http://www.envisionus.com>

    Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration
    and opportunity for people who are blind or visually impaired
    through employment, outreach, rehabilitation, education and research.


    *From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
    *Brian Vogel
    *Sent:* Tuesday, July 31, 2018 8:41 AM
    *To:* main@jfw.groups.io
    *Subject:* Re: shut down sound for windows 10

    On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 09:16 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

        I disagree with that statement about Microsoft not caring
        about accessibility.

    As does anyone who pays the slightest bit of attention.   The
    creation of Narrator, and the degree of ongoing development of
    same, marked a tectonic shift in Microsoft's attitude toward
    accessibility.

    Although I loved the shutdown sound, and see why it can be useful,
    even on a laptop there are easy ways to tell if a computer is shut
    down or not.  Just place your hand near the fan exit vent and you
    will feel the stream of air, which is usually significantly warmer
    than any room temperature, cease flowing upon complete shutdown,
    as the fans are the last thing to shut down.

    The shutdown sound is a triviality in the world of accessibility.
    Pick your battles.

    --
    Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

    /The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing
    in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the
    tempting moment./

              ~ Dorothy Nevill


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Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Gerald Levy
 

MS doesn't give a rat's ass what the public thinks. If it did, it would have replaced the much-despised ribbon menu structure with the more convenient and less cumbersome classic menu structure that most of its customers, sighted and blind alike, prefer. On the contrary, MS seems to go out of its way to frustrate and tick off its customers just to prove that they can do anything they damn well please and get away with it.

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: Aleeha Dudley
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Hi all,
I am a very infrequent poster on this list, but I needed to contribute on this one.
The lack of a shutdown sound does NOT indicate a lack of accessibility You could always use a light detector app to determine if the screen is off, or place your ear close to the computer to hear the different sounds stop. Systems change. That’s a fact. The Mac, for example, does not make the startup sound on the new machines. It’s sad, but it’s true. In an age where people want faster operating systems and less noise from machines, Microsoft has to go with what the public wants, not a niche market. If you really think that Microsoft or any other company is stepping back in terms of accessibility, I’d strongly encourage you to do a bit of research into current accessibility developments first.
Aleeha
On Jul 31, 2018, at 9:42 AM, David Ingram <dingram269@...> wrote:

hi list members, what version of jaws are being used currently? If the answers is jaws 2018 or jaws 17 then you should hear all system sounds. I'currently using jaws version 16. This means that if you're using jaws 17 or 2018 with windows 10 version 1803 you should hear all system soundsI'm going to check to see whether windows 10 version 1803 does the same with firefox?


-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 <cecropia64@...>
Sent: Jul 31, 2018 9:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Maybe. But that's what these lists are for. To ask questions and get
answers if there are any to be had.


On 7/31/2018 10:17 AM, Alan Robbins via Groups.Io wrote:
I wish I had a dollar for every time this thread starts up on this list as well as other lists. It seems to me there must be a reason Microsoft stopped having a shut down sound. Has anyone ever taken the time to research this or ask Microsoft? It would seem to me to be energy better spend than repeatedly asking this question on email lists.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 9:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

I disagree with that statement about Microsoft not caring about accessibility. If this were so then why the major and continueing improvements of Narrator and if this statement was true then Apple also does not care about accessibility (which of course is not true) because the iPhone makes neither a startup sound nor a shutdown sound.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 3:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10


Taking away the shutdown sound in Windows 10 proves once again that MS really does not careabout accessibility, contrary to what some list members believe to the contrary. What possible advantage is there to having no audible means of confirming that your computer has completely shut down? On some laptops, the cooling fan is so weak that it is difficult to impossible to tell whether it is running just by feeling or placing your ear next to the case, so this may not be a reliable substitute for the shutdown sound.
Maybe someone who is smarter than me can explain how eliminating the shutdown sound is an "improvement".

Gerald



Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Mario
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 8:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

in the meantime, it would be appreciated, I think by most blind and/or sighted users, to send feedback to Microsoft pleeding that the familiar Windows 7 shutdown sound be reenabled and that any wav file can be assigned as it was possible with earlier versions of Windows, i.e. via the sounds applett of the control panel.
there might be a chance MS would consider it if there were compelling reasons such as for blind users who choose to completely shutdown their system and are using a laptop (or desktop) that does not have any means of testing to see if the system is truely shutdown. the more the reasons that are reasonable, the better the chance MS might do it. no?




-------- Original Message --------
From: cecropia64 [mailto:cecropia64@...]
Sent: Monday, Jul 30, 2018 7:35 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10

yup, me too. I'm gonna use Windows 7 until Microsoft says "no more".
But by then I hope to have learned enough about Windows 10 to at least use it without too much of an issue. We shall see about that.


On 7/30/2018 6:24 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

So how can you tell for sure that your computer has shut down completely if there is no sound like in Windows 7 and earlier? This is yet another reason why I'm in no hurry to upgrade to Windows 10.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 5:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

With Windows 10, there is no way to assign a shutdown sound.

Pastor Gil

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Teresa
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 1:56 PM
To: JFW <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10

good afternoon list: how do I assign a sound when windows 10 shuts down?
Thanks to all in advance.














.


















Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Mario
 

David, what does the version of JAWS being used have to do with hearing
the sounds playing at certain system events in Windows 10?

-------- Original Message --------
From: David Ingram [mailto:dingram269@...]
Sent: Tuesday, Jul 31, 2018 10:42 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10

hi list members, what version of jaws are being used currently? If the
answers is jaws 2018 or jaws 17 then you should hear all system sounds.
I'currently using jaws version 16. This means that if you're using jaws
17 or 2018 with windows 10 version 1803 you should hear all system
soundsI'm going to check to see whether windows 10 version 1803 does the
same with firefox?


-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 <cecropia64@...>
Sent: Jul 31, 2018 9:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Maybe.  But that's what these lists are for.  To ask questions and get
answers if there are any to be had.


On 7/31/2018 10:17 AM, Alan Robbins via Groups.Io wrote:
I wish I had a dollar for every time this thread starts up on this list
as well as other lists. It seems to me there must be a reason Microsoft
stopped having a shut down sound. Has anyone ever taken the time to
research this or ask Microsoft? It would seem to me to be energy better
spend than repeatedly asking this question on email lists.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 9:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

I disagree with that statement about Microsoft not caring about
accessibility. If this were so then why the major and continueing
improvements of Narrator and if this statement was true then Apple also
does not care about accessibility (which of course is not true) because
the iPhone makes neither a startup sound nor a shutdown sound.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 3:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10


Taking away the shutdown sound in Windows 10 proves once again that MS
really does not careabout accessibility, contrary to what some list
members believe to the contrary. What possible advantage is there to
having no audible means of confirming that your computer has completely
shut down? On some laptops, the cooling fan is so weak that it is
difficult to impossible to tell whether it is running just by feeling or
placing your ear next to the case, so this may not be a reliable
substitute for the shutdown sound.
Maybe someone who is smarter than me can explain how eliminating the
shutdown sound is an "improvement".

Gerald



Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Mario
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 8:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

in the meantime, it would be appreciated, I think by most blind and/or
sighted users, to send feedback to Microsoft pleeding that the familiar
Windows 7 shutdown sound be reenabled and that any wav file can be
assigned as it was possible with earlier versions of Windows, i.e. via
the sounds applett of the control panel.
there might be a chance MS would consider it if there were compelling
reasons such as for blind users who choose to completely shutdown their
system and are using a laptop (or desktop) that does not have any means
of testing to see if the system is truely shutdown. the more the reasons
that are reasonable, the better the chance MS might do it. no?




-------- Original Message --------
From: cecropia64 [mailto:cecropia64@...]
Sent: Monday, Jul 30, 2018 7:35 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10

yup, me too. I'm gonna use Windows 7 until Microsoft says "no more".
But by then I hope to have learned enough about Windows 10 to at least
use it without too much of an issue. We shall see about that.


On 7/30/2018 6:24 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

So how can you tell for sure that your computer has shut down completely
if there is no sound like in Windows 7 and earlier? This is yet another
reason why I'm in no hurry to upgrade to Windows 10.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 5:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

With Windows 10, there is no way to assign a shutdown sound.

Pastor Gil

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Teresa
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 1:56 PM
To: JFW <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10

good afternoon list: how do I assign a sound when windows 10 shuts down?
Thanks to all in advance.














.























.

Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Maria Campbell
 

I agree.  It's very hard for me to check on shut down on my laptop.  I feel no fan or drive vibration.  It can't be that hard to incorporate, if they even think of it.  The only thing I can do is try opening CD drive.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 7/31/2018 10:54 AM, Mario wrote:
Cecropia64, I agree. if it's trivial to do, why can't MS do it?

-------- Original Message --------
From: cecropia64 [mailto:cecropia64@...]
Sent: Tuesday, Jul 31, 2018 10:29 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10

It's not like they have to change the program or add any major increase
in size or anything.  Just put the sounds back where they used to be. I,
personally, want to make my own choices and want the sounds there. If I
choose to disable them, it's my own choice.  But I'd like to have a
choice to make and not have someone else do the choice making for me.


On 7/31/2018 10:11 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
But even with JAWS 2018, there is still no shutdown sound in Windows
10.  The way I see it, if MS has decided to eliminate the shutdown
sound, then it might aswell eliminate all system sounds.  What’s the
point of keeping some sounds while eliminating others?
Gerald
*From:* David Ingram <mailto:dingram269@...>
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:03 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: shut down sound for windows 10
jaws version 16. If you're using jaws 2018 then you should be able to
hear all of your system sounds with jaws. This doesn't mean that jaws
16 will not work with this latest update of windows 10. It actually does.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Jonas Voll
    Sent: Jul 31, 2018 8:56 AM
    To: "main@jfw.groups.io"
    Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

    I do not like other people making Decisions for myself!

    Free will, is what I want!

    JonasVoll
    Support Technician I
    Envision, Inc.
    2301 S Water ST
    Wichita, KS67213
    O: 316-425-7141
    F: 316-267-4312
    www.envisionus.com <http://www.envisionus.com>

    Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration
    and opportunity for people who are blind or visually impaired
    through employment, outreach, rehabilitation, education and research.


    *From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
    *Brian Vogel
    *Sent:* Tuesday, July 31, 2018 8:41 AM
    *To:* main@jfw.groups.io
    *Subject:* Re: shut down sound for windows 10

    On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 09:16 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

        I disagree with that statement about Microsoft not caring
        about accessibility.

    As does anyone who pays the slightest bit of attention.   The
    creation of Narrator, and the degree of ongoing development of
    same, marked a tectonic shift in Microsoft's attitude toward
    accessibility.

    Although I loved the shutdown sound, and see why it can be useful,
    even on a laptop there are easy ways to tell if a computer is shut
    down or not.  Just place your hand near the fan exit vent and you
    will feel the stream of air, which is usually significantly warmer
    than any room temperature, cease flowing upon complete shutdown,
    as the fans are the last thing to shut down.

    The shutdown sound is a triviality in the world of accessibility.
    Pick your battles.

    --
    Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

    /The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing
    in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the
    tempting moment./

              ~ Dorothy Nevill


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Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Mario
 

you're right. and in addition, why do they disable some sounds even
though the sounds are still there?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Gerald Levy [mailto:bwaylimited@...]
Sent: Tuesday, Jul 31, 2018 10:11 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10


But even with JAWS 2018, there is still no shutdown sound in Windows 10.
The way I see it, if MS has decided to eliminate the shutdown sound,
then it might aswell eliminate all system sounds. What’s the point of
keeping some sounds while eliminating others?

Gerald



From: David Ingram
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

jaws version 16. If you're using jaws 2018 then you should be able to
hear all of your system sounds with jaws. This doesn't mean that jaws 16
will not work with this latest update of windows 10. It actually does.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jonas Voll
Sent: Jul 31, 2018 8:56 AM
To: "main@jfw.groups.io"
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10


I do not like other people making Decisions for myself!

Free will, is what I want!



Jonas Voll
Support Technician I
Envision, Inc.
2301 S Water ST
Wichita, KS 67213
O: 316-425-7141
F: 316-267-4312
www.envisionus.com

Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration and
opportunity for people who are blind or visually impaired through
employment, outreach, rehabilitation, education and research.



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 8:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10



On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 09:16 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I disagree with that statement about Microsoft not caring about
accessibility.

As does anyone who pays the slightest bit of attention. The
creation of Narrator, and the degree of ongoing development of same,
marked a tectonic shift in Microsoft's attitude toward accessibility.

Although I loved the shutdown sound, and see why it can be useful,
even on a laptop there are easy ways to tell if a computer is shut down
or not. Just place your hand near the fan exit vent and you will feel
the stream of air, which is usually significantly warmer than any room
temperature, cease flowing upon complete shutdown, as the fans are the
last thing to shut down.

The shutdown sound is a triviality in the world of accessibility.
Pick your battles.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing
in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting
moment.

~ Dorothy Nevill


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Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Mario
 

Cecropia64, I agree. if it's trivial to do, why can't MS do it?

-------- Original Message --------
From: cecropia64 [mailto:cecropia64@...]
Sent: Tuesday, Jul 31, 2018 10:29 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10

It's not like they have to change the program or add any major increase
in size or anything.  Just put the sounds back where they used to be. I,
personally, want to make my own choices and want the sounds there. If I
choose to disable them, it's my own choice.  But I'd like to have a
choice to make and not have someone else do the choice making for me.


On 7/31/2018 10:11 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
But even with JAWS 2018, there is still no shutdown sound in Windows
10.  The way I see it, if MS has decided to eliminate the shutdown
sound, then it might aswell eliminate all system sounds.  What’s the
point of keeping some sounds while eliminating others?
Gerald
*From:* David Ingram <mailto:dingram269@...>
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:03 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: shut down sound for windows 10
jaws version 16. If you're using jaws 2018 then you should be able to
hear all of your system sounds with jaws. This doesn't mean that jaws
16 will not work with this latest update of windows 10. It actually does.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Jonas Voll
    Sent: Jul 31, 2018 8:56 AM
    To: "main@jfw.groups.io"
    Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

    I do not like other people making Decisions for myself!

    Free will, is what I want!

    JonasVoll
    Support Technician I
    Envision, Inc.
    2301 S Water ST
    Wichita, KS67213
    O: 316-425-7141
    F: 316-267-4312
    www.envisionus.com <http://www.envisionus.com>

    Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration
    and opportunity for people who are blind or visually impaired
    through employment, outreach, rehabilitation, education and research.


    *From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
    *Brian Vogel
    *Sent:* Tuesday, July 31, 2018 8:41 AM
    *To:* main@jfw.groups.io
    *Subject:* Re: shut down sound for windows 10

    On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 09:16 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

        I disagree with that statement about Microsoft not caring
        about accessibility.

    As does anyone who pays the slightest bit of attention.   The
    creation of Narrator, and the degree of ongoing development of
    same, marked a tectonic shift in Microsoft's attitude toward
    accessibility.

    Although I loved the shutdown sound, and see why it can be useful,
    even on a laptop there are easy ways to tell if a computer is shut
    down or not.  Just place your hand near the fan exit vent and you
    will feel the stream of air, which is usually significantly warmer
    than any room temperature, cease flowing upon complete shutdown,
    as the fans are the last thing to shut down.

    The shutdown sound is a triviality in the world of accessibility.
    Pick your battles.

    --
    Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

    /The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing
    in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the
    tempting moment./

              ~ Dorothy Nevill


    SonicWall identified this message as clean.

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    any copies of this message from your computer system.

Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Aleeha Dudley
 

Hi all,
I am a very infrequent poster on this list, but I needed to contribute on this one.
The lack of a shutdown sound does NOT indicate a lack of accessibility You could always use a light detector app to determine if the screen is off, or place your ear close to the computer to hear the different sounds stop. Systems change. That’s a fact. The Mac, for example, does not make the startup sound on the new machines. It’s sad, but it’s true. In an age where people want faster operating systems and less noise from machines, Microsoft has to go with what the public wants, not a niche market. If you really think that Microsoft or any other company is stepping back in terms of accessibility, I’d strongly encourage you to do a bit of research into current accessibility developments first.
Aleeha

On Jul 31, 2018, at 9:42 AM, David Ingram <dingram269@...> wrote:

hi list members, what version of jaws are being used currently? If the answers is jaws 2018 or jaws 17 then you should hear all system sounds. I'currently using jaws version 16. This means that if you're using jaws 17 or 2018 with windows 10 version 1803 you should hear all system soundsI'm going to check to see whether windows 10 version 1803 does the same with firefox?


-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 <cecropia64@...>
Sent: Jul 31, 2018 9:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Maybe. But that's what these lists are for. To ask questions and get
answers if there are any to be had.


On 7/31/2018 10:17 AM, Alan Robbins via Groups.Io wrote:
I wish I had a dollar for every time this thread starts up on this list as well as other lists. It seems to me there must be a reason Microsoft stopped having a shut down sound. Has anyone ever taken the time to research this or ask Microsoft? It would seem to me to be energy better spend than repeatedly asking this question on email lists.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 9:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

I disagree with that statement about Microsoft not caring about accessibility. If this were so then why the major and continueing improvements of Narrator and if this statement was true then Apple also does not care about accessibility (which of course is not true) because the iPhone makes neither a startup sound nor a shutdown sound.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 3:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10


Taking away the shutdown sound in Windows 10 proves once again that MS really does not careabout accessibility, contrary to what some list members believe to the contrary. What possible advantage is there to having no audible means of confirming that your computer has completely shut down? On some laptops, the cooling fan is so weak that it is difficult to impossible to tell whether it is running just by feeling or placing your ear next to the case, so this may not be a reliable substitute for the shutdown sound.
Maybe someone who is smarter than me can explain how eliminating the shutdown sound is an "improvement".

Gerald



Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Mario
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 8:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

in the meantime, it would be appreciated, I think by most blind and/or sighted users, to send feedback to Microsoft pleeding that the familiar Windows 7 shutdown sound be reenabled and that any wav file can be assigned as it was possible with earlier versions of Windows, i.e. via the sounds applett of the control panel.
there might be a chance MS would consider it if there were compelling reasons such as for blind users who choose to completely shutdown their system and are using a laptop (or desktop) that does not have any means of testing to see if the system is truely shutdown. the more the reasons that are reasonable, the better the chance MS might do it. no?




-------- Original Message --------
From: cecropia64 [mailto:cecropia64@...]
Sent: Monday, Jul 30, 2018 7:35 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10

yup, me too. I'm gonna use Windows 7 until Microsoft says "no more".
But by then I hope to have learned enough about Windows 10 to at least use it without too much of an issue. We shall see about that.


On 7/30/2018 6:24 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

So how can you tell for sure that your computer has shut down completely if there is no sound like in Windows 7 and earlier? This is yet another reason why I'm in no hurry to upgrade to Windows 10.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 5:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

With Windows 10, there is no way to assign a shutdown sound.

Pastor Gil

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Teresa
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 1:56 PM
To: JFW <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10

good afternoon list: how do I assign a sound when windows 10 shuts down?
Thanks to all in advance.














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Re: shut down sound for windows 10

David Ingram
 

hi list members, what version of jaws are being used currently? If the answers is jaws 2018 or jaws 17 then you should hear all system sounds. I'currently using jaws version 16. This means that if you're using jaws 17 or 2018 with windows 10 version 1803 you should hear all system soundsI'm going to check to see whether windows 10 version 1803 does the same with firefox?

-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 <cecropia64@...>
Sent: Jul 31, 2018 9:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Maybe.  But that's what these lists are for.  To ask questions and get
answers if there are any to be had.


On 7/31/2018 10:17 AM, Alan Robbins via Groups.Io wrote:
I wish I had a dollar for every time this thread starts up on this list as well as other lists. It seems to me there must be a reason Microsoft stopped having a shut down sound. Has anyone ever taken the time to research this or ask Microsoft? It would seem to me to be energy better spend than repeatedly asking this question on email lists.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 9:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

I disagree with that statement about Microsoft not caring about accessibility. If this were so then why the major and continueing improvements of Narrator and if this statement was true then Apple also does not care about accessibility (which of course is not true) because the iPhone makes neither a startup sound nor a shutdown sound.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 3:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10


Taking away the shutdown sound in Windows 10 proves once again that MS really does not careabout accessibility, contrary to what some list members believe to the contrary. What possible advantage is there to having no audible means of confirming that your computer has completely shut down? On some laptops, the cooling fan is so weak that it is difficult to impossible to tell whether it is running just by feeling or placing your ear next to the case, so this may not be a reliable substitute for the shutdown sound.
Maybe someone who is smarter than me can explain how eliminating the shutdown sound is an "improvement".

Gerald



Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Mario
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 8:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

in the meantime, it would be appreciated, I think by most blind and/or sighted users, to send feedback to Microsoft pleeding that the familiar Windows 7 shutdown sound be reenabled and that any wav file can be assigned as it was possible with earlier versions of Windows, i.e. via the sounds applett of the control panel.
there might be a chance MS would consider it if there were compelling reasons such as for blind users who choose to completely shutdown their system and are using a laptop (or desktop) that does not have any means of testing to see if the system is truely shutdown. the more the reasons that are reasonable, the better the chance MS might do it. no?




-------- Original Message --------
From: cecropia64 [mailto:cecropia64@...]
Sent: Monday, Jul 30, 2018 7:35 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10

yup, me too. I'm gonna use Windows 7 until Microsoft says "no more".
But by then I hope to have learned enough about Windows 10 to at least use it without too much of an issue. We shall see about that.


On 7/30/2018 6:24 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

So how can you tell for sure that your computer has shut down completely if there is no sound like in Windows 7 and earlier? This is yet another reason why I'm in no hurry to upgrade to Windows 10.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 5:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

With Windows 10, there is no way to assign a shutdown sound.

Pastor Gil

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Teresa
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 1:56 PM
To: JFW <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10

good afternoon list: how do I assign a sound when windows 10 shuts down?
Thanks to all in advance.














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Re: Problem With Laptop Computer Sleep Functions

Tom Behler
 

Don:

There is no mouse connected to the computer, and there wasn't one when I started experiencing the issue on Sunday.

So, I think we can eliminate that possibility.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem With Laptop Computer Sleep Functions

Do you have a mouse attached to the computer? If so you need to get into Device Manager and change the settings for the mouse to not allow it to wake the computer. If you don't a slight movement of the mouse will wake the computer up.

On 7/31/2018 8:15 AM, Tom Behler wrote:
Richard:

I run Microsoft Essentials regularly.

Will certainly call Microsoft Accessibility Help if no other
suggestions work.

Tom Behler

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Richard
Turner
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 31, 2018 8:33 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Problem With Laptop Computer Sleep Functions

Have you done a virus scan?

Or, it may be time to call Microsoft Accessibility and have them log
in and see if they can figure out what is happening.

800-936-5900

I hope it gets resolved.

Richard

"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and
many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome,
charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in
one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain




On Jul 31, 2018, at 3:47 AM, Tom Behler <tombehler@...
<mailto:tombehler@...>> wrote:

Hello, everyone.

A few days ago, I started noticing that my Dell Lattitude Windows 7
laptop no longer goes to sleep when not in use. I have the monitor
set to turn off after a few minutes of non-use both on battery and
AC power. The same goes for the entire computer itself.

I have gone into the sleep timer menu and verified that everything
is set the way I would like, and made sure to save my changed
settings. But my computer still runs constantly now, even when it
is not being used.

I realize that this is likely not a Jaws problem, so I hope it is
not considered to be too “off topic” for this list.

Any help would be appreciated.

Dr. Tom Behler From Michigan

Re: shut down sound for windows 10

cecropia64
 

Maybe.  But that's what these lists are for.  To ask questions and get answers if there are any to be had.

On 7/31/2018 10:17 AM, Alan Robbins via Groups.Io wrote:
I wish I had a dollar for every time this thread starts up on this list as well as other lists. It seems to me there must be a reason Microsoft stopped having a shut down sound. Has anyone ever taken the time to research this or ask Microsoft? It would seem to me to be energy better spend than repeatedly asking this question on email lists.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 9:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

I disagree with that statement about Microsoft not caring about accessibility. If this were so then why the major and continueing improvements of Narrator and if this statement was true then Apple also does not care about accessibility (which of course is not true) because the iPhone makes neither a startup sound nor a shutdown sound.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 3:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10


Taking away the shutdown sound in Windows 10 proves once again that MS really does not careabout accessibility, contrary to what some list members believe to the contrary. What possible advantage is there to having no audible means of confirming that your computer has completely shut down? On some laptops, the cooling fan is so weak that it is difficult to impossible to tell whether it is running just by feeling or placing your ear next to the case, so this may not be a reliable substitute for the shutdown sound.
Maybe someone who is smarter than me can explain how eliminating the shutdown sound is an "improvement".

Gerald



Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Mario
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 8:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

in the meantime, it would be appreciated, I think by most blind and/or sighted users, to send feedback to Microsoft pleeding that the familiar Windows 7 shutdown sound be reenabled and that any wav file can be assigned as it was possible with earlier versions of Windows, i.e. via the sounds applett of the control panel.
there might be a chance MS would consider it if there were compelling reasons such as for blind users who choose to completely shutdown their system and are using a laptop (or desktop) that does not have any means of testing to see if the system is truely shutdown. the more the reasons that are reasonable, the better the chance MS might do it. no?




-------- Original Message --------
From: cecropia64 [mailto:cecropia64@...]
Sent: Monday, Jul 30, 2018 7:35 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10

yup, me too. I'm gonna use Windows 7 until Microsoft says "no more".
But by then I hope to have learned enough about Windows 10 to at least use it without too much of an issue. We shall see about that.


On 7/30/2018 6:24 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

So how can you tell for sure that your computer has shut down completely if there is no sound like in Windows 7 and earlier? This is yet another reason why I'm in no hurry to upgrade to Windows 10.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 5:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

With Windows 10, there is no way to assign a shutdown sound.

Pastor Gil

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Teresa
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 1:56 PM
To: JFW <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10

good afternoon list: how do I assign a sound when windows 10 shuts down?
Thanks to all in advance.














.














Re: shut down sound for windows 10

cecropia64
 

It's not like they have to change the program or add any major increase in size or anything.  Just put the sounds back where they used to be.  I, personally, want to make my own choices and want the sounds there.  If I choose to disable them, it's my own choice.  But I'd like to have a choice to make and not have someone else do the choice making for me.


On 7/31/2018 10:11 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
 
But even with JAWS 2018, there is still no shutdown sound in Windows 10.  The way I see it, if MS has decided to eliminate the shutdown sound, then it might aswell eliminate all system sounds.  What’s the point of keeping some sounds while eliminating others?
 
Gerald
 
 
 
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10
 
jaws version 16. If you're using jaws 2018 then you should be able to hear all of your system sounds with jaws. This doesn't mean that jaws 16 will not work with this latest update of windows 10. It actually does.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonas Voll
Sent: Jul 31, 2018 8:56 AM
To: "main@jfw.groups.io"
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

I do not like other people making Decisions for myself!

Free will, is what I want!

 

Jonas Voll
Support Technician I
Envision, Inc.
2301 S Water ST
Wichita, KS 67213
O: 316-425-7141
F: 316-267-4312
www.envisionus.com

Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration and opportunity for people who are blind or visually impaired through employment, outreach, rehabilitation, education and research.


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 8:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

 

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 09:16 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I disagree with that statement about Microsoft not caring about accessibility.

As does anyone who pays the slightest bit of attention.   The creation of Narrator, and the degree of ongoing development of same, marked a tectonic shift in Microsoft's attitude toward accessibility.

Although I loved the shutdown sound, and see why it can be useful, even on a laptop there are easy ways to tell if a computer is shut down or not.  Just place your hand near the fan exit vent and you will feel the stream of air, which is usually significantly warmer than any room temperature, cease flowing upon complete shutdown, as the fans are the last thing to shut down.

The shutdown sound is a triviality in the world of accessibility.  Pick your battles.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

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D2L [desire to learn] Brightspace

sharynsobel@...
 

The college at which I teach is adopting a learning management web-based system called D2L [desire to learn] Brightspace.  At its most basic, it's a web site where students can retrieve course information (i.e. the syllabus, handouts, announcements).   

I have found several JAWS user guides produced by other colleges. Not surprisingly, however, they are geared toward the student user.  I've been making steady progress in learning how to navigate this system.  Nevertheless, I thought it would be beneficial if I could contact a blind instructor using this learning platform.

 

 If you know such a person, please forward my message.

John Demetralis

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Re: Problem With Laptop Computer Sleep Functions

Don H
 

Do you have a mouse attached to the computer? If so you need to get into Device Manager and change the settings for the mouse to not allow it to wake the computer. If you don't a slight movement of the mouse will wake the computer up.

On 7/31/2018 8:15 AM, Tom Behler wrote:
Richard:
I run Microsoft Essentials regularly.
Will certainly call Microsoft Accessibility Help if no other suggestions work.
Tom Behler
*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 31, 2018 8:33 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Problem With Laptop Computer Sleep Functions
Have you done a virus scan?
Or, it may be time to call Microsoft Accessibility and have them log in and see if they can figure out what is happening.
800-936-5900
I hope it gets resolved.
Richard
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain
On Jul 31, 2018, at 3:47 AM, Tom Behler <tombehler@... <mailto:tombehler@...>> wrote:
Hello, everyone.
A few days ago, I started noticing that my Dell Lattitude Windows 7
laptop no longer goes to sleep when not in use.  I have the monitor
set to turn off after a few minutes of non-use both on battery and
AC power.  The same goes for the entire computer itself.
I have gone into the sleep timer menu and verified that everything
is set the way I would like, and made sure to save my changed
settings.  But my computer still runs constantly now, even when it
is not being  used.
I realize that this is likely not a Jaws problem, so I hope it is
not considered to be too “off topic” for this list.
Any help would be appreciated.
Dr.  Tom Behler From Michigan

Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Alan Robbins
 

I wish I had a dollar for every time this thread starts up on this list as well as other lists. It seems to me there must be a reason Microsoft stopped having a shut down sound. Has anyone ever taken the time to research this or ask Microsoft? It would seem to me to be energy better spend than repeatedly asking this question on email lists.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 9:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

I disagree with that statement about Microsoft not caring about accessibility. If this were so then why the major and continueing improvements of Narrator and if this statement was true then Apple also does not care about accessibility (which of course is not true) because the iPhone makes neither a startup sound nor a shutdown sound.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 3:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10


Taking away the shutdown sound in Windows 10 proves once again that MS really does not careabout accessibility, contrary to what some list members believe to the contrary. What possible advantage is there to having no audible means of confirming that your computer has completely shut down? On some laptops, the cooling fan is so weak that it is difficult to impossible to tell whether it is running just by feeling or placing your ear next to the case, so this may not be a reliable substitute for the shutdown sound.
Maybe someone who is smarter than me can explain how eliminating the shutdown sound is an "improvement".

Gerald



Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Mario
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 8:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

in the meantime, it would be appreciated, I think by most blind and/or sighted users, to send feedback to Microsoft pleeding that the familiar Windows 7 shutdown sound be reenabled and that any wav file can be assigned as it was possible with earlier versions of Windows, i.e. via the sounds applett of the control panel.
there might be a chance MS would consider it if there were compelling reasons such as for blind users who choose to completely shutdown their system and are using a laptop (or desktop) that does not have any means of testing to see if the system is truely shutdown. the more the reasons that are reasonable, the better the chance MS might do it. no?




-------- Original Message --------
From: cecropia64 [mailto:cecropia64@...]
Sent: Monday, Jul 30, 2018 7:35 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10

yup, me too. I'm gonna use Windows 7 until Microsoft says "no more".
But by then I hope to have learned enough about Windows 10 to at least use it without too much of an issue. We shall see about that.


On 7/30/2018 6:24 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

So how can you tell for sure that your computer has shut down completely if there is no sound like in Windows 7 and earlier? This is yet another reason why I'm in no hurry to upgrade to Windows 10.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 5:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

With Windows 10, there is no way to assign a shutdown sound.

Pastor Gil

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Teresa
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 1:56 PM
To: JFW <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10

good afternoon list: how do I assign a sound when windows 10 shuts down?
Thanks to all in advance.














.