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Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Maria Campbell
 

So I will say it again.  The shut down sound was there, and now it is not?  Why not?


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 7/31/2018 1:54 PM, Aleeha Dudley wrote:

What about the fact that the iPhone and Mac don’t and have never had, shut down sounds? Why are we not bashing Apple as well? The point that has been made that Microsoft should focus on more important accessibility features rather than focusing on the shut down sound. The shut down sound is not an accessibility feature. And you’re right: they’re spending more time on accessibility features than worrying about a petty little concern that doesn’t even conclusively indicate anything. The computer is not shut down when you hear the sound. It is only shut down when the fans and hard drive stop.

Aleeha

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Don H
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 12:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

 

Someone said if you uncheck fast startup in the power settings the

startup and shutdown sound options return.  On my system they do not.

I wonder how many people that have fast startup enabled know that this

does not do the same as a restart?  If you have fast startup enabled you

should on a regular basis do a system restart.  I have fast startup

disabled as I think a full shutdown gives you better overall

performance.  Can't think that a few more seconds for bootup is a

terrible thing.

 

 

 

 


Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Aleeha Dudley
 

What about the fact that the iPhone and Mac don’t and have never had, shut down sounds? Why are we not bashing Apple as well? The point that has been made that Microsoft should focus on more important accessibility features rather than focusing on the shut down sound. The shut down sound is not an accessibility feature. And you’re right: they’re spending more time on accessibility features than worrying about a petty little concern that doesn’t even conclusively indicate anything. The computer is not shut down when you hear the sound. It is only shut down when the fans and hard drive stop.

Aleeha

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Don H
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 12:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

 

Someone said if you uncheck fast startup in the power settings the

startup and shutdown sound options return.  On my system they do not.

I wonder how many people that have fast startup enabled know that this

does not do the same as a restart?  If you have fast startup enabled you

should on a regular basis do a system restart.  I have fast startup

disabled as I think a full shutdown gives you better overall

performance.  Can't think that a few more seconds for bootup is a

terrible thing.

 

 

 

 

Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Don H
 

Someone said if you uncheck fast startup in the power settings the startup and shutdown sound options return. On my system they do not.
I wonder how many people that have fast startup enabled know that this does not do the same as a restart? If you have fast startup enabled you should on a regular basis do a system restart. I have fast startup disabled as I think a full shutdown gives you better overall performance. Can't think that a few more seconds for bootup is a terrible thing.

Re: shut down sound for windows 10

 

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
This is the stupidest solution I've ever encountered,but apparently it's the only one.
I don't know why, in particular, you consider it stupid as this is pretty much how it's implemented "under the hood" on older versions of Windows, but the task is shipped with the OS and you don't know it's there.

This is also the solution I've posted and noted that it is not 100% reliable.  It seems to work perfectly on certain machines and not on others, and I believe a lot of that is secondary to exactly when the task gets triggered, or doesn't get triggered, during the shutdown process.  There are lots of factors that can affect this.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

Severe JAWS stuttering

Don Mauck
 

Sorry for the cross post. I’ve not seen any one on either list state this as an issue, however, there are two of us here that are having the same problem. The JAWS stutter gets so bad that you can’t complete any task. The speech will get so bad that you think that JAWS has just crashed. It also obviously affects scanning messages, documents and even just reading items off of your desktop.

Both of us also have Lenovo laptops and I’m not ruling that out either. The interesting thing is that I disconnected my Braille display and it has gotten much better, however, that’s not the kind of fix I want. I’m really interested in any feedback I can get to resolve this. We are moth using the latest JaWS2018, but I’ve seen this happening for a while and just thought it was my Laptop. We are using Windows10 and we both tried different versions of JAWS going back to JAWS16 and till have this problem.

Re: shut down sound for windows 10

 

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
But without a shutdown sound, you can't confirm that the shutdown procedure has even been initiated in the first place.
If you choose the power menu, shutdown option, you can be assured that the shutdown procedure has been initiated.  It may hang at times, as you've already indicated, but it's initiated.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

Re: shut down sound for windows 10

 

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Alan Robbins wrote:
Folks could check the archives as well and see all the same answers. Just an option
Amen, but there seems to be a strong aversion to even touching the Groups.io web interface to search the archives.  I could understand if the idea of web archives were new, but they're not, and we're blessed to have them.

The main archive webpage is:  https://jfw.groups.io/g/main/topics  and the Search button is at the top.

Back to the central subject for a second, the shutdown sound is absolutely no guarantee that the system has shut down, either.  Depending on what tasks/processes you've got running on your system and when they were set up in relationship to others, including the task used for the shutdown sound, it can play anywhere during the shutdown sequence from the beginning to near the end.  If anything hangs post shutdown sound, and that does happen, you will have heard the shutdown sound but the machine is not shut down.  Both the startup and shutdown sounds have never been 100% reliable though on some machines they come mighty darned close while on others they just don't work right.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

Re: Problem With Laptop Computer Sleep Functions

Tom Behler
 

Ok. … I’ve now got some instructions for doing this, and will try to work through them when I get the time here.

 

Will keep you posted, and thank you!

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Flor Lynch
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 7:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Problem With Laptop Computer Sleep Functions

 

I believe you need to go into your computer’s Power Management settings and fix things there.

 

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 11:47 AM

Subject: Problem With Laptop Computer Sleep Functions

Hello, everyone.

 

A few days ago, I started noticing that my Dell Lattitude Windows 7 laptop no longer goes to sleep when not in use.  I have the monitor set to turn off after a few minutes of non-use both on battery and AC power.  The same goes for the entire computer itself.

 

I have gone into the sleep timer menu and verified that everything is set the way I would like, and made sure to save my changed settings.  But my computer still runs constantly now, even when it is not being  used.

 

I realize that this is likely not a Jaws problem, so I hope it is not considered to be too “off topic” for this list.

 

Any help would be appreciated.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler From Michigan

 

 

Re: Initial Skype for desktop 8 feedback

Cristóbal
 

There are three buttons at the top of the screen. My info, the one where it says my Skype ID and a more button.

If I click on either one of the first two, I’m taken to another screen where the below is displayed:

Close settings Button
Your name
Edit My Skype Name
Tell your friends what you’re up to
Edit Tell your friends what you’re up to
Your presence status is Invisible
Button
Edit Tell your friends what you’re up to
Edit Tell your friends what you’re up to
Your presence status is Invisible
Button
Share profile
Button
Skype Credit and Subscriptions. Your Skype Credit balance is $0.00 and you have 1 subscription.
Button
blank
Application Settings
Button
Audio & Video Settings
Button
Calling
Button
Account and profile
Button
Money
Button
Language
Button
blank
Skype Name
My Skype ID
Skype Number +***********
Button
Birthday
**********
Color, currently selected: Blue
Button
Theme
Button
blank
Help and feedback
Button
Get Skype for Mobile
Button
About
Button
Sign out Button
Sign out Button

The voice mail and call forwarding stuff is in the call button and all the audio stuff is under the audio and video settings, but for me at least,

The ability to separate the ring alerts from the call audio doesn’t show up. This is what’s on the audio and video settings on my screen:

Audio & Video Settings
blank
Make a free test call
Button
Microphone
Microphone, Microphone (2- Logitech USB Headset), selected
button menu
blank
Automatically adjust microphone settings
 Automatically adjust microphone settings Switch On
blank
Speakers
Speakers, Speakers (2- Logitech USB Headset), selected
button menu
Change speaker volume
2
left right slider
Start audio test
Button
blank
Camera
No device found. Link Learn more about fixing this issue.
issue

This is on my desktop and I don’t’ have a webcam installed, thus the last message.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 9:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Initial Skype for desktop 8 feedback

 

I can help with some of these.

 

All your Skype settings are under the menu you get  when you press the Profile button. In there, there are radio buttons for choosing audio devices for input, output and notification noises. What I can't find is the delay before going to voicemail, but it might be under Notifications, haven't looked at that branch of  Settings yet.

 

Speaking of voicemail, one of the Settings branches deals with the setup of voicemail and call forwarding.

 

HTH

 

On 7/30/2018 7:14 PM, Cristóbal wrote:

Hello list,

So, some initial feedback after updating to Skype 8.x

Muscle memory issues with the new keystrokes aside which are always going to take a bit getting used to, I’m finding certain aspects to be quite frustrating. I’ve already written Microsoft about some of this via the feedback option in the app as well as on Twitter.

Anyway, the immediate thing is that with this updated version, there doesn’t seem to be any means to have the Skype ringer alert go to a separate audio source like external or PC speakers. There’s only one option for speakers which if you’re using a headset, which I’m pretty sure most if not all of us are using is the only viable option. More so for those of us who have a paid number. The end result is that when you get an incoming call, the ringer quite easily drowns out anything Jaws (in my case) may say. I don’t use the audio ducking feature as I find it to be too distracting. One can go into the speaker settings in Skype and lower the volume or the speaker settings in Windows 10 to lower Skype volume, but all that accomplishes is that in addition to the ringer being lowered, the call audio is lowered as well. Also, I’ve already twice missed an incoming call because I took my headset off for this or that reason and didn’t hear the ringer alert fast enough through the headset to put it back on and get to the Skype window in time to pick up.

I had mentioned previously that the hotkeys also no longer to appear to be universal. Indeed, this is the case. So now, when you get an incoming call, you have to scramble to the Skype window since at least for me, I’m not taken there automatically and if I’m in a different virtual desktop, the taskbar short cut win key plus X, Y or Z won’t work and try to listen to figure out if I’m finally in the Skype window which again, as described previously, isn’t as easy since the ringer is drowning everything else out. The few times I’ve had a chance to take an incoming call and used the control plus shift plus P command, Skype actually initiates an outgoing call as well as answering the incoming call. This . . . has proven to be problematic to say the least.

More than once already, I’ve found myself trying to orientate myself on the Skype screen to maybe tab to the answer button instead of using the hotkey to avoid this issue with answering/making a duel call, but so far, I haven’t been able to access the answer/accept call button in time.

This leads me into the other issue. I so far have not been able to find any of the telephone settings for Skype. Settings in Skype appear to be super basic. Nothing however for voicemail greeting, managing call forwarding and or ringer time. I know I can probably if need be access some of these features via the Skype web account, but talk about a needless step backwards.

One other thing for Jaws users (I don’t use NVDA enough to know how the dictionary manager works), I had a bunch of saved entries for phone numbers to speak this or that clinic. It seems that the Skype app is Chrome based so, they didn’t port over. I’m sure I can go into my Jaws settings and try and play around with changing a dictionary manager file association, but again, just another inconvenience.

IN broad terms, the app all in all seems accessible and navigating around like a webpage is easy enough, but it lacks some serious functionality.

It is much easier to make calls, but receiving/answering… it’s still rough to say the least.

 

 

Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Alan Robbins
 

I understand that but after a while the same question and same answers over and over just take up a lot of band width. Folks could check the archives as well and see all the same answers. Just an option

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of cecropia64
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Maybe. But that's what these lists are for. To ask questions and get answers if there are any to be had.


On 7/31/2018 10:17 AM, Alan Robbins via Groups.Io wrote:
I wish I had a dollar for every time this thread starts up on this list as well as other lists. It seems to me there must be a reason Microsoft stopped having a shut down sound. Has anyone ever taken the time to research this or ask Microsoft? It would seem to me to be energy better spend than repeatedly asking this question on email lists.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 9:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

I disagree with that statement about Microsoft not caring about accessibility. If this were so then why the major and continueing improvements of Narrator and if this statement was true then Apple also does not care about accessibility (which of course is not true) because the iPhone makes neither a startup sound nor a shutdown sound.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 3:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10


Taking away the shutdown sound in Windows 10 proves once again that MS really does not careabout accessibility, contrary to what some list members believe to the contrary. What possible advantage is there to having no audible means of confirming that your computer has completely shut down? On some laptops, the cooling fan is so weak that it is difficult to impossible to tell whether it is running just by feeling or placing your ear next to the case, so this may not be a reliable substitute for the shutdown sound.
Maybe someone who is smarter than me can explain how eliminating the shutdown sound is an "improvement".

Gerald



Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Mario
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 8:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

in the meantime, it would be appreciated, I think by most blind and/or sighted users, to send feedback to Microsoft pleeding that the familiar Windows 7 shutdown sound be reenabled and that any wav file can be assigned as it was possible with earlier versions of Windows, i.e. via the sounds applett of the control panel.
there might be a chance MS would consider it if there were compelling reasons such as for blind users who choose to completely shutdown their system and are using a laptop (or desktop) that does not have any means of testing to see if the system is truely shutdown. the more the reasons that are reasonable, the better the chance MS might do it. no?




-------- Original Message --------
From: cecropia64 [mailto:cecropia64@...]
Sent: Monday, Jul 30, 2018 7:35 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10

yup, me too. I'm gonna use Windows 7 until Microsoft says "no more".
But by then I hope to have learned enough about Windows 10 to at least use it without too much of an issue. We shall see about that.


On 7/30/2018 6:24 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

So how can you tell for sure that your computer has shut down completely if there is no sound like in Windows 7 and earlier? This is yet another reason why I'm in no hurry to upgrade to Windows 10.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 5:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

With Windows 10, there is no way to assign a shutdown sound.

Pastor Gil

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Teresa
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 1:56 PM
To: JFW <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10

good afternoon list: how do I assign a sound when windows 10 shuts down?
Thanks to all in advance.














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Re: Initial Skype for desktop 8 feedback

Steve Matzura
 

I can help with some of these.


All your Skype settings are under the menu you get  when you press the Profile button. In there, there are radio buttons for choosing audio devices for input, output and notification noises. What I can't find is the delay before going to voicemail, but it might be under Notifications, haven't looked at that branch of  Settings yet.


Speaking of voicemail, one of the Settings branches deals with the setup of voicemail and call forwarding.


HTH


On 7/30/2018 7:14 PM, Cristóbal wrote:

Hello list,

So, some initial feedback after updating to Skype 8.x

Muscle memory issues with the new keystrokes aside which are always going to take a bit getting used to, I’m finding certain aspects to be quite frustrating. I’ve already written Microsoft about some of this via the feedback option in the app as well as on Twitter.

Anyway, the immediate thing is that with this updated version, there doesn’t seem to be any means to have the Skype ringer alert go to a separate audio source like external or PC speakers. There’s only one option for speakers which if you’re using a headset, which I’m pretty sure most if not all of us are using is the only viable option. More so for those of us who have a paid number. The end result is that when you get an incoming call, the ringer quite easily drowns out anything Jaws (in my case) may say. I don’t use the audio ducking feature as I find it to be too distracting. One can go into the speaker settings in Skype and lower the volume or the speaker settings in Windows 10 to lower Skype volume, but all that accomplishes is that in addition to the ringer being lowered, the call audio is lowered as well. Also, I’ve already twice missed an incoming call because I took my headset off for this or that reason and didn’t hear the ringer alert fast enough through the headset to put it back on and get to the Skype window in time to pick up.

I had mentioned previously that the hotkeys also no longer to appear to be universal. Indeed, this is the case. So now, when you get an incoming call, you have to scramble to the Skype window since at least for me, I’m not taken there automatically and if I’m in a different virtual desktop, the taskbar short cut win key plus X, Y or Z won’t work and try to listen to figure out if I’m finally in the Skype window which again, as described previously, isn’t as easy since the ringer is drowning everything else out. The few times I’ve had a chance to take an incoming call and used the control plus shift plus P command, Skype actually initiates an outgoing call as well as answering the incoming call. This . . . has proven to be problematic to say the least.

More than once already, I’ve found myself trying to orientate myself on the Skype screen to maybe tab to the answer button instead of using the hotkey to avoid this issue with answering/making a duel call, but so far, I haven’t been able to access the answer/accept call button in time.

This leads me into the other issue. I so far have not been able to find any of the telephone settings for Skype. Settings in Skype appear to be super basic. Nothing however for voicemail greeting, managing call forwarding and or ringer time. I know I can probably if need be access some of these features via the Skype web account, but talk about a needless step backwards.

One other thing for Jaws users (I don’t use NVDA enough to know how the dictionary manager works), I had a bunch of saved entries for phone numbers to speak this or that clinic. It seems that the Skype app is Chrome based so, they didn’t port over. I’m sure I can go into my Jaws settings and try and play around with changing a dictionary manager file association, but again, just another inconvenience.

IN broad terms, the app all in all seems accessible and navigating around like a webpage is easy enough, but it lacks some serious functionality.

It is much easier to make calls, but receiving/answering… it’s still rough to say the least.

 


Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Gerald Levy
 

This technique does not confirm conclusively that your computer has shut down. It only proves that your screen reader has been closed. But the computer could conceivably still be on because the shutdown procedure did not complete successfully for some reason. This has happened to me a few times on my Windows 7 desktop. I hear the shut down sound after I activate the Okay button to shut down, but for some reason, the power does not shut off. The DVD tray still opens when I press the eject button,and the fan continues to run. When this happens, I have to press and hold the front panel power button to force the power to shut off. Only when the power is shut off can you say for sure that the computer has completely shut down. But without a shutdown sound, you can't confirm that the shutdown procedure has even been initiated in the first place.

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 11:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Agreed. The entire thing is so petty. If you want to know if your computer is on or off, do like I have done. Arrow up or down, if it makes a screen reader sound, it is on, if nothing happens, either your computer is off or someone has shut off the sound. For those who bitch about M S, if you don't like it, get a MAC. Time for the little kitties to go to bed and let the adults worry about the important things.

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of cecropia64
Sent: July 31, 2018 8:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Guess that is what I was thinking as well. I understand all the input on the subject. I guess I just don't understand all the hoopla. What is the big deal? None as far as I can tell. But opinions are vast and everyone has one. Some are more in depth than others. Not everyone will be happy with all when it comes to accessibility. I guess I wish it was more uniform across the board.


Stew


On 7/31/2018 10:54 AM, Mario wrote:
Cecropia64, I agree. if it's trivial to do, why can't MS do it?

-------- Original Message --------
From: cecropia64 [mailto:cecropia64@...]
Sent: Tuesday, Jul 31, 2018 10:29 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10

It's not like they have to change the program or add any major
increase in size or anything. Just put the sounds back where they
used to be. I, personally, want to make my own choices and want the
sounds there. If I choose to disable them, it's my own choice. But
I'd like to have a choice to make and not have someone else do the choice making for me.


On 7/31/2018 10:11 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
But even with JAWS 2018, there is still no shutdown sound in Windows
10. The way I see it, if MS has decided to eliminate the shutdown
sound, then it might aswell eliminate all system sounds. What’s the
point of keeping some sounds while eliminating others?
Gerald
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*Sent:* Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:03 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: shut down sound for windows 10 jaws version 16. If
you're using jaws 2018 then you should be able to hear all of your
system sounds with jaws. This doesn't mean that jaws
16 will not work with this latest update of windows 10. It actually does.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonas Voll
Sent: Jul 31, 2018 8:56 AM
To: "main@jfw.groups.io"
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

I do not like other people making Decisions for myself!

Free will, is what I want!

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*Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 31, 2018 8:41 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: shut down sound for windows 10

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 09:16 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I disagree with that statement about Microsoft not caring
about accessibility.

As does anyone who pays the slightest bit of attention. The
creation of Narrator, and the degree of ongoing development of
same, marked a tectonic shift in Microsoft's attitude toward
accessibility.

Although I loved the shutdown sound, and see why it can be useful,
even on a laptop there are easy ways to tell if a computer is shut
down or not. Just place your hand near the fan exit vent and you
will feel the stream of air, which is usually significantly warmer
than any room temperature, cease flowing upon complete shutdown,
as the fans are the last thing to shut down.

The shutdown sound is a triviality in the world of accessibility.
Pick your battles.

--
Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

/The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing
in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the
tempting moment./

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Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Steve Matzura
 

This is the stupidest solution I've ever encountered,but apparently it's the only one. https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/94891-play-sound-shutdown-windows-10-a.html

On 7/30/2018 4:56 PM, Teresa wrote:
good afternoon list: how do I assign a sound when windows 10 shuts down? Thanks to all in advance.

Re: Good and accessible rss client for Windows

Francisco Salvador Crespo
 

Hello.

 

Their oficial website is:

https://feediary.com/

However, I don’t like to have a subscription based rss client. I still looking for a Windows alternative, feedly compatible, that can be free or one purchase license.

 

Best.

 

De: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> En nombre de Jessica D
Enviado el: martes, 31 de julio de 2018 12:58
Para: main@jfw.groups.io
Asunto: Re: Good and accessible rss client for Windows

 

Hi,

I can’t find that app anywhere.

 

How do I get it?

 

Thanks,

Jessica

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Hope Williamson via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 6:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Good and accessible rss client for Windows

 

Thanks for recommending Feediary, I've been looking for a new reader for a while. I'll give that one a try!

 

Re: Good and accessible rss client for Windows

Jessica D
 

Hi,

I can’t find that app anywhere.

 

How do I get it?

 

Thanks,

Jessica

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Hope Williamson via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 6:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Good and accessible rss client for Windows

 

Thanks for recommending Feediary, I've been looking for a new reader for a while. I'll give that one a try!

 

Re: shut down sound for windows 10

 

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 09:56 AM, Jonas Voll wrote:

I do not like other people making Decisions for myself!

Free will, is what I want!

Oh, puhleeze!!    Product manufacturers make decisions about what they will, or will not, offer all the time.

This is the most inane comment on this issue I've seen.  You, for any you, can make a complaint/offer feedback to a product manufacturer regarding your displeasure with the addition or deletion of a feature.

It has nothing, nothing whatsoever, to do with "free will."
 
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    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

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Re: Problem With Laptop Computer Sleep Functions

Flor Lynch
 

I believe you need to go into your computer’s Power Management settings and fix things there.
 

From: Tom Behler
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 11:47 AM
Subject: Problem With Laptop Computer Sleep Functions

Hello, everyone.

 

A few days ago, I started noticing that my Dell Lattitude Windows 7 laptop no longer goes to sleep when not in use.  I have the monitor set to turn off after a few minutes of non-use both on battery and AC power.  The same goes for the entire computer itself.

 

I have gone into the sleep timer menu and verified that everything is set the way I would like, and made sure to save my changed settings.  But my computer still runs constantly now, even when it is not being  used.

 

I realize that this is likely not a Jaws problem, so I hope it is not considered to be too “off topic” for this list.

 

Any help would be appreciated.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler From Michigan

 

 

Re: Initial Skype for desktop 8 feedback

Cristóbal
 

Correct, but it won’t work when you’re working with multiple desktops.  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 6:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Initial Skype for desktop 8 feedback

 

Why don’t you put Skype on the taskbar and then use Windows Key+whatever number to activate it when it rings? All the applications on your taskbar can be accessed this way, if you have Outlook as the first app, then Skype, Chrome, Excel you just press Windows Key+1 for OUtlook, Windows Key+2 for Skype, Windows Key+3 for Chrome ejtc.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 4:15 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Initial Skype for desktop 8 feedback

 

Hello list,

So, some initial feedback after updating to Skype 8.x

Muscle memory issues with the new keystrokes aside which are always going to take a bit getting used to, I’m finding certain aspects to be quite frustrating. I’ve already written Microsoft about some of this via the feedback option in the app as well as on Twitter.

Anyway, the immediate thing is that with this updated version, there doesn’t seem to be any means to have the Skype ringer alert go to a separate audio source like external or PC speakers. There’s only one option for speakers which if you’re using a headset, which I’m pretty sure most if not all of us are using is the only viable option. More so for those of us who have a paid number. The end result is that when you get an incoming call, the ringer quite easily drowns out anything Jaws (in my case) may say. I don’t use the audio ducking feature as I find it to be too distracting. One can go into the speaker settings in Skype and lower the volume or the speaker settings in Windows 10 to lower Skype volume, but all that accomplishes is that in addition to the ringer being lowered, the call audio is lowered as well. Also, I’ve already twice missed an incoming call because I took my headset off for this or that reason and didn’t hear the ringer alert fast enough through the headset to put it back on and get to the Skype window in time to pick up.

I had mentioned previously that the hotkeys also no longer to appear to be universal. Indeed, this is the case. So now, when you get an incoming call, you have to scramble to the Skype window since at least for me, I’m not taken there automatically and if I’m in a different virtual desktop, the taskbar short cut win key plus X, Y or Z won’t work and try to listen to figure out if I’m finally in the Skype window which again, as described previously, isn’t as easy since the ringer is drowning everything else out. The few times I’ve had a chance to take an incoming call and used the control plus shift plus P command, Skype actually initiates an outgoing call as well as answering the incoming call. This . . . has proven to be problematic to say the least.

More than once already, I’ve found myself trying to orientate myself on the Skype screen to maybe tab to the answer button instead of using the hotkey to avoid this issue with answering/making a duel call, but so far, I haven’t been able to access the answer/accept call button in time.

This leads me into the other issue. I so far have not been able to find any of the telephone settings for Skype. Settings in Skype appear to be super basic. Nothing however for voicemail greeting, managing call forwarding and or ringer time. I know I can probably if need be access some of these features via the Skype web account, but talk about a needless step backwards.

One other thing for Jaws users (I don’t use NVDA enough to know how the dictionary manager works), I had a bunch of saved entries for phone numbers to speak this or that clinic. It seems that the Skype app is Chrome based so, they didn’t port over. I’m sure I can go into my Jaws settings and try and play around with changing a dictionary manager file association, but again, just another inconvenience.

IN broad terms, the app all in all seems accessible and navigating around like a webpage is easy enough, but it lacks some serious functionality.

It is much easier to make calls, but receiving/answering… it’s still rough to say the least.

 

Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Robert Wright <wrightsiphone@...>
 

I am afraid that feature has been taken away.You only have the windows log on or log out

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On Jul 30, 2018, at 2:56 PM, Teresa <pennylain5@...> wrote:

good afternoon list: how do I assign a sound when windows 10 shuts down? Thanks to all in advance.


Re: shut down sound for windows 10

cecropia64
 

insulting too!  Thanks for that.

On 7/31/2018 11:34 AM, Maria Campbell wrote:
Dumb!


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On 7/31/2018 11:33 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
Agreed.  The entire thing is so petty.  If you want to know if your computer is on or off, do like I have done.  Arrow up or down, if it makes a screen reader sound, it is on, if nothing happens, either your computer is off or someone has shut off the sound. For those who bitch about M S, if you don't like it, get a MAC.  Time for the little kitties to go to bed and let the adults worry about the important things.

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of cecropia64
Sent: July 31, 2018 8:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Guess that is what I was thinking as well.  I understand  all the input on the subject.  I guess I just don't understand all the hoopla.  What is the big deal?  None as far as I can tell. But opinions are vast and everyone has one.  Some are more in depth than others.  Not everyone will be happy with all when it comes to accessibility.  I guess I wish it was more uniform across the board.


Stew


On 7/31/2018 10:54 AM, Mario wrote:
Cecropia64, I agree. if it's trivial to do, why can't MS do it?

-------- Original Message --------
From: cecropia64 [mailto:cecropia64@...]
Sent: Tuesday, Jul 31, 2018 10:29 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10

It's not like they have to change the program or add any major
increase in size or anything.  Just put the sounds back where they
used to be. I, personally, want to make my own choices and want the
sounds there. If I choose to disable them, it's my own choice.  But
I'd like to have a choice to make and not have someone else do the choice making for me.


On 7/31/2018 10:11 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
But even with JAWS 2018, there is still no shutdown sound in Windows
10.  The way I see it, if MS has decided to eliminate the shutdown
sound, then it might aswell eliminate all system sounds. What’s the
point of keeping some sounds while eliminating others?
Gerald
*From:* David Ingram <mailto:dingram269@...>
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:03 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: shut down sound for windows 10 jaws version 16. If
you're using jaws 2018 then you should be able to hear all of your
system sounds with jaws. This doesn't mean that jaws
16 will not work with this latest update of windows 10. It actually does.

       -----Original Message-----
       From: Jonas Voll
       Sent: Jul 31, 2018 8:56 AM
       To: "main@jfw.groups.io"
       Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

       I do not like other people making Decisions for myself!

       Free will, is what I want!

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       *From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
       *Brian Vogel
       *Sent:* Tuesday, July 31, 2018 8:41 AM
       *To:* main@jfw.groups.io
       *Subject:* Re: shut down sound for windows 10

       On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 09:16 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

           I disagree with that statement about Microsoft not caring
           about accessibility.

       As does anyone who pays the slightest bit of attention.   The
       creation of Narrator, and the degree of ongoing development of
       same, marked a tectonic shift in Microsoft's attitude toward
       accessibility.

       Although I loved the shutdown sound, and see why it can be useful,
       even on a laptop there are easy ways to tell if a computer is shut
       down or not.  Just place your hand near the fan exit vent and you
       will feel the stream of air, which is usually significantly warmer
       than any room temperature, cease flowing upon complete shutdown,
       as the fans are the last thing to shut down.

       The shutdown sound is a triviality in the world of accessibility.
       Pick your battles.

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