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Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Ashleigh Piccinino
 

 Normally, you should be able to hear the motor in your computer stop as it shuts down. Can you do this? If not, you should be able to see the light on your monitor go out. 

Re: problems with not hearing windows sounds after updating to the latest version of windows 10

Dan Longmore
 

Hi,
Did you check to see if your "Theme" was changed. At times the theme gets changed and thus the sound and background that goes with that theme..

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 10:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: problems with not hearing windows sounds after updating to the latest version of windows 10

Hi list members, I'd like to know if anyone else has had problems with not hearing windows sounds out of speakers or u s b head set? I've noticed that after updating to the latest version of windows 10 that I can hear jaws, videos from youtube and other things but not system sounds like windows start up and windows shutdown. I also made sure that I checked internet explorer to make sure that system sounds was turned on. I did that but since I've done this update I get no windows sounds at all. If anyone else has had this problem please contact Microsoft.

Re: Severe JAWS stuttering

Dan Longmore
 

Hi,

  I use a Dell laptop and don’t have this issue .  However I have found that Dell and HP are famous for having lots of proprittary software installed and running in background. Lots of this also starts with Windows.  Not saying this cause but look at your start up programs and examine how many Dell programs are running.  Some of these, especially at start up, can conflict with JAWS and cause stuttering.  I have worked to uninstall only those that I deem essential which are  very few.   Also, if a program does not need to run at start up I eliminate from start up sequence.  Hope this helps , I know from experience, these kinds of issues are hard to find and annoying. Dan

  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 6:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; 'JAWS Private Beta Group' <JAWSBETA@...>
Subject: Re: Severe JAWS stuttering

 

I’m having the same issues on a Dell laptop with Windows 10 and Jaws 18.  Please let me know if you find out what the issue is …… Windows 10 or Jaws.

 

Laura

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 12:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; JAWS Private Beta Group <JAWSBETA@...>
Subject: Severe JAWS stuttering

 

Sorry for the cross post. I’ve not seen any one on either list state this as an issue, however, there are two of us here that are having the same problem. The JAWS stutter gets so bad that you can’t complete any task. The speech will get so bad that you think that JAWS has just crashed. It also obviously affects scanning messages, documents and even just reading items off of your desktop.

Both of us also have Lenovo laptops and I’m not ruling that out either. The interesting thing is that I disconnected my Braille display and it has gotten much better, however, that’s not the kind of fix I want. I’m really interested in any feedback I can get to resolve this. We are moth using the latest JaWS2018, but I’ve seen this happening for a while and just thought it was my Laptop. We are using Windows10 and we both tried different versions of JAWS going back to JAWS16 and till have this problem.

Re: Severe JAWS stuttering

Laura Richardson
 

I’m having the same issues on a Dell laptop with Windows 10 and Jaws 18.  Please let me know if you find out what the issue is …… Windows 10 or Jaws.

 

Laura

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 12:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; JAWS Private Beta Group <JAWSBETA@...>
Subject: Severe JAWS stuttering

 

Sorry for the cross post. I’ve not seen any one on either list state this as an issue, however, there are two of us here that are having the same problem. The JAWS stutter gets so bad that you can’t complete any task. The speech will get so bad that you think that JAWS has just crashed. It also obviously affects scanning messages, documents and even just reading items off of your desktop.

Both of us also have Lenovo laptops and I’m not ruling that out either. The interesting thing is that I disconnected my Braille display and it has gotten much better, however, that’s not the kind of fix I want. I’m really interested in any feedback I can get to resolve this. We are moth using the latest JaWS2018, but I’ve seen this happening for a while and just thought it was my Laptop. We are using Windows10 and we both tried different versions of JAWS going back to JAWS16 and till have this problem.

Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Mario
 

after activating the link for the PlayShutdownSound.xml, I selected from
the first dash to the end of the commands, copied and pasted it in to
notepad, and saved it as PlayShutdownSound.xml. is this what to do, and
is there anything I have to do in notepad other than saving it?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:@britechguy]
Sent: Tuesday, Jul 31, 2018 3:51 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10

, Mario,

            It's an XML file, hence the extension.  It can be viewed
with Notepad if desired, or even MS-Word, as XML is at its heart a
formatted text layout.

            Its sole purpose is to select an existing Windows ring
sound that I've not seen used elsewhere unless someone selects it
elsewhere and using it for the sound to be played when the event is
triggered.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

   The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in
the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

Re: Skype for business weird issue

Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
 

Hi Mike,

My company also changed from LYNC to SFB, and I am seeing the same behavior you are seeing.

Where do you go to check "Read Text Automatically"?

Can you point me to the FS webinar you mention?

I do use the script for SFB from dlee.org, but I still need to use the command "[h" to read the message and then use "[I" to get back to the input window.

Thanks,
Pam


________________________________________
From: main@jfw.groups.io [main@jfw.groups.io] on behalf of Mike Cormier [michel.cormier@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Skype for business weird issue

Good morning,

In my organization, we used to have MS lync. We are moving over to Skype for Business 2016 which is part of the Office suite 2016.

Prior to Skype for business, my MS Lync did not automatically read text messages as they were sent to me. With Skype for business now, it is doing the same. I thought this was normal until I listen to a FS webinar where JAWS was reading the texts as they appeared on the screen. It was giving all kinds of feedback which is very nice.

I verified my sfb settings in JAWS and read text automatically is checked. I even unchecked it and rechecked it and still no change. I hear a sound to alert me when a Skype message arrives or when someone replies to me but JAWS does not read the message unless I shift tab to the message area from the input area to read it manually.

Any help that anyone would have to fix this would be appreciated as I could find nothing on line or in the FS technical support.

Thanks in advance.


Mike

Re: shut down sound for windows 10

 

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 02:19 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Attitudes matter because how users and developers understand accessibility and needs of customers will shape how accessible the end product will be. Technologies matter because without means of delivering on that attitudes, attempts at convincing the public and developers won’t be that strong. Thus, to me, lack of shutdown sounds is a small thing compared to attitudes of some developers who think it is okay to just design beautiful interfaces without giving thoughts to accessibility, and screen reader vendors are not exempt from this. 
Amen!!   There really are important battles to be fought and won.  The presence or absence of a shutdown sound is definitely not one of them.  It's very nice to have, and I've made a major effort to find a way to provide one, but in the end it is a triviality for the very reason you state.  People were used to it, but that doesn't make it essential.  There are plenty of ways, most of which have now been mentioned repeatedly, to double check that a computer is powered down sans any system sound to indicate it's at least trying to get there.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

Re: shut down sound for windows 10

 

, Mario,

            It's an XML file, hence the extension.  It can be viewed with Notepad if desired, or even MS-Word, as XML is at its heart a formatted text layout.

            Its sole purpose is to select an existing Windows ring sound that I've not seen used elsewhere unless someone selects it elsewhere and using it for the sound to be played when the event is triggered.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

Re: Java update question

Bill White
 

You don't need Access Bridge to use some of the functions of Java. I have to
have Java enabled to use my Bank of America site, but I don't need to use
Access Bridge with it.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard B.
McDonald
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 12:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Java update question

I too get a Java update notification. But, I have been reluctant to do it
because I do not know how it will handle the Java Access Bridge. Does
anyone know if the update will properly update the JAB? I use Windows 7 Pro
64 bit under JAWS 15.

Thanks,
Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 3:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Java update question

Hi David,

When Java is ready to update I find it in the "System Tray." Press JAWS-key
+ F11 and arrow up and down. Hopefully you will find it there.

Debby

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
Pearson
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 4:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Java update question

Greetings all:

Jaws keeps telling me that a new version of "Java" is ready to be installed,

and to do this "click here" which I obviously can't see. When this
notification is announced again what is the best method to locate the "here"

button to commence the download/install?

Sincerely yours,



David S. Pearson

Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Bill White
 

You're right. I should have said, uncheck fast startup, and check startup sound in Sound Settings.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 11:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Hi,
No, startup sound won't play if fast startup is enabled, as Windows will "resume" from hybrid hibernation if this is checked.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 11:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Hi, Don. First, the Startup sound does return if Fast Startup is checked, but not the shutdown sound.

Second, Do you get other system sounds, once you are logged on? In other words, do you get a ding sound if you press semicolon when on your desktop?

You must not only check Fast Startup to get a Startup sound. You must also check the box for Startup sound in your Sound settings in the Sounds tab.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Someone said if you uncheck fast startup in the power settings the startup and shutdown sound options return. On my system they do not.
I wonder how many people that have fast startup enabled know that this does not do the same as a restart? If you have fast startup enabled you should on a regular basis do a system restart. I have fast startup disabled as I think a full shutdown gives you better overall performance. Can't think that a few more seconds for bootup is a terrible thing.

Re: need help with Google calendar and Jaws

Jerry Berrier <jerry.berrier@...>
 

Amy,

I have also been trying to learn to use Google products. I'm finding the
calendar more difficult than any of the other apps.
If your IT department will do it for you, one really good solution is to
have them use GSuite to install an interface that permits you to continue
using Outlook for e-mail, contacts and calendar.
It works seamlessly and transparently with the Google Calendars everyone
else is using.
Definitely worth looking into.


Jerry Berrier
Director of Education Technology
Perkins School for the Blind
175 North Beacon Street
Watertown MA 02472
P: 617-972-7826
Perkins.org

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Amy
Bower
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2018 11:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: need help with Google calendar and Jaws

Hi All: I'm being forced to use Google calendar instead of my beloved
Outlook calendar to match the support staff in a new leadership position
I'm assuming in my institution. I've invested quite a bit of time learning
how to work it with Jaws, and I'm reasonably satisfied except for one
thing--notifications and alerts for meetings and other events. Through
trial and error, I've learned that the calendar overall works best with
the Chrome browser. In Internet Explorer, the shortcut keys don't seem to
work (even after turning off the virtual cursor). BTW, I'm using Windows 7
stll - starting to migrate to Windows 10.
In outlook, it was easy to set a calendar event notification to popup some
time before an event. When it appeared was chosen by me. When the
notification appeared, there was a sound, and a dialogue box appears on
the screen, and I have the option to dismiss the reminder, snooze the
reminder, etc. I'm trying to duplicate this convenient feature in Google
calendar.
OK. so first, in the Google calendar settings, one can choose for
notification, Desktop Notification or Alert. Not sure what the difference
is - this is my first question. But either way, the option to have a sound
go off with the notification is only available for Desktop Notification,
so I have chosen that option. I have to have a sound.
I've also chosen a default notification timing, 30 minutes before the
event.
OK. Next, when creating an individual event, under notifications, there is
the option for it to be a PopUp, or an email. I don't want to clutter my
in-box any further, so I choose popup. Not sure exactly what that is, but
okay.

The problem: notifications may be popping up on my screen somewhere, but
most of the time, there is no sound, so I have no idea that a notification
has come up. Furthermore, if I stumble upon the popup, I can't get Jaws to
read it using e.g., insert + b.

I'm very nervous I'm going to miss important meetings until I get this
figured out!

Here are my specific questions:
1. what is the difference between a desktop notification and alert (in
settings)?
2. how do I make sure I hear a sound every time?
3. how do I find and read the notification with Jaws?
4. how do I snooze a notification?

Maybe some of the difficulties are related to using Chrome? Is there a
better browser to use that still functions with the shortcut keys? I have
to have the latter so I can easily jump to a date in the future (which you
can do with the G key (after turning off the virtual cursor).
Also, I know I can display Google calendar events in Outlook, but you
can't enter or edit google events from Outlook. The Google bit is required
so that the support staff can see my calendar and add/delete events. I
know they could do that with Outlook Exchange, but that is not an option.

I already feel like I'm having to give up limited bandwidth in my brain
to work the Google calendar, so I hope there are some easy fixes here.
Would be happy to hear from anyone with this depth of experience with
google calendar, offline if that is preferred, abower@....

Note that I also use Google calendar on my iPhone, and presently I'm using
that to alert me to meetings so I don't blow it on the first few days in
the new position.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dr. Amy S. Bower
Senior Scientist
Department of Physical Oceanography
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
Woods Hole, MA 02543 USA
v: 508-289-2781
f: 508-457-2181
c: 508-564-3663
e: abower@...
www: http://www.whoi.edu/scientist/abower
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Steve Matzura
 

It's stupid because that's not how any other sound in the Windows environment is played, so why should this one be treated differently? And what happens if the task manager service terminates before the sound gets a chance to play?

On 7/31/2018 1:26 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
This is the stupidest solution I've ever encountered,but apparently it's the only one.
I don't know why, in particular, you consider it stupid as this is pretty much how it's implemented "under the hood" on older versions of Windows, but the task is shipped with the OS and you don't know it's there.

This is also the solution I've posted and noted that it is not 100% reliable.  It seems to work perfectly on certain machines and not on others, and I believe a lot of that is secondary to exactly when the task gets triggered, or doesn't get triggered, during the shutdown process.  There are lots of factors that can affect this.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Don H
 

People are wanting a shutdown sound not a start up sound. I am only saying that disabling the fast startup does not give you a shutdown sound. I can see a usefulness for a shutdown sound but I can't say it has been a real issue for me.

On 7/31/2018 1:50 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Don. First, the Startup sound does return if Fast Startup is checked, but not the shutdown sound.
Second, Do you get other system sounds, once you are logged on? In other words, do you get a ding sound if you press semicolon when on your desktop?
You must not only check Fast Startup to get a Startup sound. You must also check the box for Startup sound in your Sound settings in the Sounds tab.
Bill White
billwhite92701@...
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10
Someone said if you uncheck fast startup in the power settings the
startup and shutdown sound options return. On my system they do not.
I wonder how many people that have fast startup enabled know that this
does not do the same as a restart? If you have fast startup enabled you
should on a regular basis do a system restart. I have fast startup
disabled as I think a full shutdown gives you better overall
performance. Can't think that a few more seconds for bootup is a
terrible thing.

Re: Java update question

Richard B. McDonald
 

I too get a Java update notification. But, I have been reluctant to do it
because I do not know how it will handle the Java Access Bridge. Does
anyone know if the update will properly update the JAB? I use Windows 7 Pro
64 bit under JAWS 15.

Thanks,
Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 3:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Java update question

Hi David,

When Java is ready to update I find it in the "System Tray." Press JAWS-key
+ F11 and arrow up and down. Hopefully you will find it there.

Debby

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
Pearson
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 4:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Java update question

Greetings all:

Jaws keeps telling me that a new version of "Java" is ready to be installed,

and to do this "click here" which I obviously can't see. When this
notification is announced again what is the best method to locate the "here"

button to commence the download/install?

Sincerely yours,



David S. Pearson

Re: shut down sound for windows 10

 

Hi,
No, startup sound won't play if fast startup is enabled, as Windows will "resume" from hybrid hibernation if this is checked.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 11:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Hi, Don. First, the Startup sound does return if Fast Startup is checked, but not the shutdown sound.

Second, Do you get other system sounds, once you are logged on? In other words, do you get a ding sound if you press semicolon when on your desktop?

You must not only check Fast Startup to get a Startup sound. You must also check the box for Startup sound in your Sound settings in the Sounds tab.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Someone said if you uncheck fast startup in the power settings the startup and shutdown sound options return. On my system they do not.
I wonder how many people that have fast startup enabled know that this does not do the same as a restart? If you have fast startup enabled you should on a regular basis do a system restart. I have fast startup disabled as I think a full shutdown gives you better overall performance. Can't think that a few more seconds for bootup is a terrible thing.

Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Bill White
 

Hi, Don. First, the Startup sound does return if Fast Startup is checked, but not the shutdown sound.

Second, Do you get other system sounds, once you are logged on? In other words, do you get a ding sound if you press semicolon when on your desktop?

You must not only check Fast Startup to get a Startup sound. You must also check the box for Startup sound in your Sound settings in the Sounds tab.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Someone said if you uncheck fast startup in the power settings the
startup and shutdown sound options return. On my system they do not.
I wonder how many people that have fast startup enabled know that this
does not do the same as a restart? If you have fast startup enabled you
should on a regular basis do a system restart. I have fast startup
disabled as I think a full shutdown gives you better overall
performance. Can't think that a few more seconds for bootup is a
terrible thing.

Re: shut down sound for windows 10

 

Hi,

I should have started with the below post by putting commas instead of the letter “m” – my apologies for that.

Cheers,

Jsoeph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 11:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

 

Him

It’s been like this since Windows 8, with overall emphasis on making desktop experience similar to that of tablets and smartphones (with mixed success and bringing controversy along the way).

My overall impression is that shutdown sounds (or for that matter, system sounds) is NOT an indicator of level of accessibility of an operating system; they are “earcons” (ear plus icons), meant to convey confirmation of an event via audible means. To me, what defines accessibility is a combination of attitudes and technologies (some of you would recognize this statement, as I’ve been championing this since 2014 when Windows Insider Program was first launched). Attitudes matter because how users and developers understand accessibility and needs of customers will shape how accessible the end product will be. Technologies matter because without means of delivering on that attitudes, attempts at convincing the public and developers won’t be that strong. Thus, to me, lack of shutdown sounds is a small thing compared to attitudes of some developers who think it is okay to just design beautiful interfaces without giving thoughts to accessibility, and screen reader vendors are not exempt from this.

I do understand that what I said above may offend some of you. However, I think it is important for us to think about the big picture in the realm of accessibility.

Cheers,

Jsoeph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 11:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

 

So I will say it again.  The shut down sound was there, and now it is not?  Why not?

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis
 

On 7/31/2018 1:54 PM, Aleeha Dudley wrote:

What about the fact that the iPhone and Mac don’t and have never had, shut down sounds? Why are we not bashing Apple as well? The point that has been made that Microsoft should focus on more important accessibility features rather than focusing on the shut down sound. The shut down sound is not an accessibility feature. And you’re right: they’re spending more time on accessibility features than worrying about a petty little concern that doesn’t even conclusively indicate anything. The computer is not shut down when you hear the sound. It is only shut down when the fans and hard drive stop.

Aleeha

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Don H
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 12:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

 

Someone said if you uncheck fast startup in the power settings the

startup and shutdown sound options return.  On my system they do not.

I wonder how many people that have fast startup enabled know that this

does not do the same as a restart?  If you have fast startup enabled you

should on a regular basis do a system restart.  I have fast startup

disabled as I think a full shutdown gives you better overall

performance.  Can't think that a few more seconds for bootup is a

terrible thing.

 

 

 

 

 

Re: shut down sound for windows 10

 

Him

It’s been like this since Windows 8, with overall emphasis on making desktop experience similar to that of tablets and smartphones (with mixed success and bringing controversy along the way).

My overall impression is that shutdown sounds (or for that matter, system sounds) is NOT an indicator of level of accessibility of an operating system; they are “earcons” (ear plus icons), meant to convey confirmation of an event via audible means. To me, what defines accessibility is a combination of attitudes and technologies (some of you would recognize this statement, as I’ve been championing this since 2014 when Windows Insider Program was first launched). Attitudes matter because how users and developers understand accessibility and needs of customers will shape how accessible the end product will be. Technologies matter because without means of delivering on that attitudes, attempts at convincing the public and developers won’t be that strong. Thus, to me, lack of shutdown sounds is a small thing compared to attitudes of some developers who think it is okay to just design beautiful interfaces without giving thoughts to accessibility, and screen reader vendors are not exempt from this.

I do understand that what I said above may offend some of you. However, I think it is important for us to think about the big picture in the realm of accessibility.

Cheers,

Jsoeph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 11:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

 

So I will say it again.  The shut down sound was there, and now it is not?  Why not?

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis
 

On 7/31/2018 1:54 PM, Aleeha Dudley wrote:

What about the fact that the iPhone and Mac don’t and have never had, shut down sounds? Why are we not bashing Apple as well? The point that has been made that Microsoft should focus on more important accessibility features rather than focusing on the shut down sound. The shut down sound is not an accessibility feature. And you’re right: they’re spending more time on accessibility features than worrying about a petty little concern that doesn’t even conclusively indicate anything. The computer is not shut down when you hear the sound. It is only shut down when the fans and hard drive stop.

Aleeha

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Don H
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 12:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

 

Someone said if you uncheck fast startup in the power settings the

startup and shutdown sound options return.  On my system they do not.

I wonder how many people that have fast startup enabled know that this

does not do the same as a restart?  If you have fast startup enabled you

should on a regular basis do a system restart.  I have fast startup

disabled as I think a full shutdown gives you better overall

performance.  Can't think that a few more seconds for bootup is a

terrible thing.

 

 

 

 

 

Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Mario
 

Brian, the PlayShutdownSound file from your directions is just a text
file with an xml extension, right? I assume that I need to select, copy
and paste the code into Notepad and save it appropriately?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:@britechguy]
Sent: Tuesday, Jul 31, 2018 1:26 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:


This is the stupidest solution I've ever encountered,but apparently it's
the only one.

I don't know why, in particular, you consider it stupid as this is
pretty much how it's implemented "under the hood" on older versions of
Windows, but the task is shipped with the OS and you don't know it's there.

This is also the solution I've posted and noted that it is not 100%
reliable.  It seems to work perfectly on certain machines and not on
others, and I believe a lot of that is secondary to exactly when the
task gets triggered, or doesn't get triggered, during the shutdown
process.  There are lots of factors that can affect this.

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Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

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Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Maria Campbell
 

So I will say it again.  The shut down sound was there, and now it is not?  Why not?


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 7/31/2018 1:54 PM, Aleeha Dudley wrote:

What about the fact that the iPhone and Mac don’t and have never had, shut down sounds? Why are we not bashing Apple as well? The point that has been made that Microsoft should focus on more important accessibility features rather than focusing on the shut down sound. The shut down sound is not an accessibility feature. And you’re right: they’re spending more time on accessibility features than worrying about a petty little concern that doesn’t even conclusively indicate anything. The computer is not shut down when you hear the sound. It is only shut down when the fans and hard drive stop.

Aleeha

 

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From: Don H
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 12:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

 

Someone said if you uncheck fast startup in the power settings the

startup and shutdown sound options return.  On my system they do not.

I wonder how many people that have fast startup enabled know that this

does not do the same as a restart?  If you have fast startup enabled you

should on a regular basis do a system restart.  I have fast startup

disabled as I think a full shutdown gives you better overall

performance.  Can't think that a few more seconds for bootup is a

terrible thing.