That and you can do other things like disabling all the pretty animations and dstuff that take constant PC resources.

As someone else suggested though, it may also be worth it to get a separate sound card too.

I don’t have a brail display ……

Laura

Do you have a Braille display? If so, try disconnecting it and run for a while. I’m keep track of this.

I’m having the same issues on a Dell laptop with Windows 10 and Jaws 18.  Please let me know if you find out what the issue is …… Windows 10 or Jaws.

Laura

Sorry for the cross post. I’ve not seen any one on either list state this as an issue, however, there are two of us here that are having the same problem. The JAWS stutter gets so bad that you can’t complete any task. The speech will get so bad that you think that JAWS has just crashed. It also obviously affects scanning messages, documents and even just reading items off of your desktop.

Both of us also have Lenovo laptops and I’m not ruling that out either. The interesting thing is that I disconnected my Braille display and it has gotten much better, however, that’s not the kind of fix I want. I’m really interested in any feedback I can get to resolve this. We are moth using the latest JaWS2018, but I’ve seen this happening for a while and just thought it was my Laptop. We are using Windows10 and we both tried different versions of JAWS going back to JAWS16 and till have this problem.

Not to be difficult here, but my new Lenovo laptop has the heat vent on the bottom, and I can feel the heat on the bottom when lifting it, but no air flow.  Also, I almost think I feel the vibration of the drive, but wouldn't want to stake my life on it.  I hear no fan.  However, if I listen very carefully, I can hear a bit of a click as my external speaker turns off when the laptop shuts down.  That's what separates us from the monkeys--finding work arounds.

Maria Campbell

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--St. Francis

Back to laptops.  It will be the rarest of individuals who cannot feel whether the stream of very warm to hot air that ceaselessly issues from the heat sink vent on a laptop has stopped.  If it's on, even at idle, you will feel heat from this vent.  A CPU/APU is never anywhere near to room temperature when running and the fan is always on, even if at low speed.

The most reliable way to tell if a laptop is actually off is to check with your fingertips or palm placed just beside this vent exit.  If you don't feel anything the probability that the machine is off is as close to 100% as it's possible to get.

Most desktops are "noisy" enough that you can tell by listening if their fans are off.  They also have such large airflow and multiple vent points that the temperature differential of air coming out doesn't feel that much different than ambient air temperature indoors.  Laptops virtually always "feel hot" because of the confined spaces involved and the small fans involved, too.
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Back to laptops.  It will be the rarest of individuals who cannot feel whether the stream of very warm to hot air that ceaselessly issues from the heat sink vent on a laptop has stopped.  If it's on, even at idle, you will feel heat from this vent.  A CPU/APU is never anywhere near to room temperature when running and the fan is always on, even if at low speed.

The most reliable way to tell if a laptop is actually off is to check with your fingertips or palm placed just beside this vent exit.  If you don't feel anything the probability that the machine is off is as close to 100% as it's possible to get.

Most desktops are "noisy" enough that you can tell by listening if their fans are off.  They also have such large airflow and multiple vent points that the temperature differential of air coming out doesn't feel that much different than ambient air temperature indoors.  Laptops virtually always "feel hot" because of the confined spaces involved and the small fans involved, too.
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

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Hi Ashleigh,

 

First of all, you must be partially sighted, but is it so hard to imagine all of us fully blind users who simply have no way to see any lights go out or not go out?

Also, if you use a desktop the monitor might go black, but any LED lights remain on since the monitor has it’s own power. I assume you would see the monitor going black, but once again a completely blind person of course will not.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ashleigh Piccinino
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 3:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

 

 Normally, you should be able to hear the motor in your computer stop as it shuts down. Can you do this? If not, you should be able to see the light on your monitor go out. 

 

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Don,

I think this is the wrong JAWS list. I believe the one you are referring to is the Jaws-users-list I think Brian unsubscribed over there.

Al

What about the fact that the iPhone and Mac don’t and have never had, shut down sounds? Why are we not bashing Apple as well? The point that has been made that Microsoft should focus on more important accessibility features rather than focusing on the shut down sound. The shut down sound is not an accessibility feature. And you’re right: they’re spending more time on accessibility features than worrying about a petty little concern that doesn’t even conclusively indicate anything. The computer is not shut down when you hear the sound. It is only shut down when the fans and hard drive stop.

Aleeha

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Someone said if you uncheck fast startup in the power settings the

startup and shutdown sound options return.  On my system they do not.

I wonder how many people that have fast startup enabled know that this

does not do the same as a restart?  If you have fast startup enabled you

should on a regular basis do a system restart.  I have fast startup

disabled as I think a full shutdown gives you better overall

performance.  Can't think that a few more seconds for bootup is a

terrible thing.

good afternoon list: how do I assign a sound when windows 10 shuts down? Thanks to all in advance.

MS doesn't give a rat's ass what the public thinks.  If it did, it
would have replaced the much-despised ribbon menu structure with the
more convenient and less cumbersome classic menu structure that most
of its customers, sighted and blind alike,  prefer. On the contrary,
MS seems to go out of its way to frustrate and tick off its customers
just to prove that they can do anything they damn well please and get
away with it.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Aleeha Dudley
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Hi all,
I am a very infrequent poster on this list, but I needed to contribute
on this one.
The lack of a shutdown sound does NOT indicate a lack of accessibility
You could always use a light detector app to determine if the screen
is off, or place your ear close to the computer to hear the different
sounds stop. Systems change. That’s a fact. The Mac, for example, does
not make the startup sound on the new machines. It’s sad, but it’s
true. In an age where people want faster operating systems and less
noise from machines, Microsoft has to go with what the public wants,
not a niche market. If you really think that Microsoft or any other
company is stepping back in terms of accessibility, I’d strongly
encourage you to do a bit of research into current accessibility
developments first.
Aleeha

On Jul 31, 2018, at 9:42 AM, David Ingram <dingram269@...>
wrote:

hi list members, what version of jaws are being used currently? If
the answers is jaws 2018 or jaws 17 then you should hear all system
sounds. I'currently using jaws version 16.  This means that if you're
using jaws 17 or 2018 with windows 10 version 1803 you should hear
all system soundsI'm going to check to see whether windows 10 version
1803 does the same with firefox?


-----Original Message-----

From: cecropia64 <cecropia64@...>
Sent: Jul 31, 2018 9:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Maybe.  But that's what these lists are for.  To ask questions and
get answers if there are any to be had.


On 7/31/2018 10:17 AM, Alan Robbins via Groups.Io wrote:

I wish I had a dollar for every time this thread starts up on this
list as well as other lists. It seems to me there must be a reason
Microsoft stopped having a shut down sound. Has anyone ever taken
the time to research this or ask Microsoft? It would seem to me to
be energy better spend than repeatedly asking this question on
email lists.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 9:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

I disagree with that statement about Microsoft not caring about
accessibility. If this were so then why the major and continueing
improvements of Narrator and if this statement was true then Apple
also does not care about accessibility (which of course is not
true) because the iPhone makes neither a startup sound nor a
shutdown sound.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald
Levy
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 3:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10


Taking away the shutdown sound in Windows 10 proves once again that
MS really does not careabout accessibility, contrary to what some
list members believe to the contrary. What possible advantage is
there to having no audible means of confirming that your computer
has completely shut down? On some laptops, the cooling fan is so
weak that it is difficult to impossible to tell whether it is
running just by feeling or placing your ear next to the case, so
this may not be a reliable substitute for the shutdown sound.
Maybe someone who is smarter than me can explain how eliminating
the shutdown sound is an "improvement".

Gerald



Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Mario
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 8:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

in the meantime, it would be appreciated, I think by most blind
and/or sighted users, to send feedback to Microsoft pleeding that
the familiar Windows 7 shutdown sound be reenabled and that any wav
file can be assigned as it was possible with earlier versions of
Windows, i.e. via the sounds applett of the control panel.
there might be a chance MS would consider it if there were
compelling reasons such as for blind users who choose to completely
shutdown their system and are using a laptop (or desktop) that does
not have any means of testing to see if the system is truely
shutdown. the more the reasons that are reasonable, the better the
chance MS might do it. no?




-------- Original Message --------
From: cecropia64 [mailto:cecropia64@...]
Sent: Monday, Jul 30, 2018 7:35 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10

yup, me too.  I'm gonna use Windows 7 until Microsoft says "no more".
But by then I hope to have learned enough about Windows 10 to at
least use it without too much of an issue.  We shall see about that.


On 7/30/2018 6:24 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

So how can you tell for sure that your computer has shut down
completely if there is no sound like in Windows 7 and earlier? This
is yet another reason why I'm in no hurry to upgrade to Windows 10.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 5:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

With Windows 10, there is no way to assign a shutdown sound.

Pastor Gil

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Teresa
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 1:56 PM
To: JFW <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10

good afternoon list: how do I assign a sound when windows 10 shuts
down?
Thanks to all in advance.














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From: Steve Matzura <number6@...>
Sent: Aug 1, 2018 8:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: problem solved about not hearing system sounds after updating to latest version of windows10!

So what was the problem and how was it fixed?


On 8/1/2018 3:33 AM, David Ingram wrote:

Hi list members, it took a long time to fix concerning not hearing system sounds but everything is working as it should with windows 10 and system sounds. Jaws 16 works great with this new windows 10 update.

Hi list members, it took a long time to fix concerning not hearing system sounds but everything is working as it should with windows 10 and system sounds. Jaws 16 works great with this new windows 10 update.