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How do you "send shortcut to desktop" in Firefox 52?

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi!

 

I have begun to switch to Firefox 52 from Internet Explorer 11.  I use JAWS 15 under Windows 7.  In IE, when on a webpage you could pull down the file menu and easily send a shortcut to the webpage (i.e., its URL) to the desktop.  In Firefox, what is the best way to accomplish the same thing?

 

Thanks,

Richard

Re: trouble with a government web site

Alyssa <lyssassong@...>
 

Hi there.

 

I want to make sure I understand this correctly as I’m not having issues with what I just did. So if you click on a chapter, it does not show the subsections for you? There are tons of links on those pages, and they all seem to be visible with JAWS. I am using Firefox, but that shouldn’t make much of a difference.

 

 

-Alyssa

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 5:09 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: trouble with a government web site

 

Hello,

 

I’m doing some research and am having trouble accessing the information I need on a government web site.  I’m not a “power user” of Jaws so I’m not sure if I don’t know how to get to this info or if it’s just not accessible.  The site is the Illinois Compiled Statutes …… I can access the rules of civil procedure but am not able to get to the actual laws (for example; Fraud, Breach of Contract, etc).

 

The web site is:  www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs.asp

 

If anybody could help me with this it would be greatly appreciated …… I’m using Jaws 18, Windows 10 and IE 11.

 

Laura

 

 

 

 

trouble with a government web site

Laura Richardson
 

Hello,

 

I’m doing some research and am having trouble accessing the information I need on a government web site.  I’m not a “power user” of Jaws so I’m not sure if I don’t know how to get to this info or if it’s just not accessible.  The site is the Illinois Compiled Statutes …… I can access the rules of civil procedure but am not able to get to the actual laws (for example; Fraud, Breach of Contract, etc).

 

The web site is:  www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs.asp

 

If anybody could help me with this it would be greatly appreciated …… I’m using Jaws 18, Windows 10 and IE 11.

 

Laura

 

 

 

Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

Or maybe Jeremy knows exactly what he’s talking about. Look within Power options as well as any number of registry tweaks and third-party utilities to accomplish these goals.

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 9:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

True enough, but when Jeremy said his laptop starts up when he lifts the lid and that he doesn’t need to restart it for weeks that tells me he is not actually shutting it down.

Most laptops have their power button under the lid so if it is shut down properly you have to lift the lid first and then press the power button to turn it on

You seem to know a lot about computers as well so maybe you can comment whether it makes any difference whether fast startup is enabled or disabled if your systemjust wakes up from sleep mode. I don’t think it does because I understand that fast startup is more like hybernation and that is certainly different from sleep mode.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 9:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Hi, Sieghard. A lot of people haven’t bothered to go into their Power Options menu and check their settings for “Choose what the power buttons do”. Consequently, they don’t know that when they press the power off button, they are actually putting their computer into Sleep mode instead of Shutdown mode.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 9:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Hi Jeremy,

 

I think we just have to agree to disagree. If fast startup work for you then that’s great, for those of us who turn it off because maybe we just want to hear the startup sound or have other reasons that is also perfectly OK. I don’t know why your laptop takes 35 seconds to start without fast startup, I just recently got rid of my last Windows 7 PC at work which was 10 years old and on that machine Windows 7 took about 45 secons to boot, all my Windows 10 PC’s boot from being completely shut down and without fast startup in about 10 or 12 seconds.

When you say it comes out of shutdown in as long as it takes you to lift the lid and that you can go for weeks without a restart then I think you are talking a totally different thing here. It would seem you put your computer to sleep and don’t actually shut it down, I don’t even know if in sleep mode fast startup comes into play. I have fast startup disabled and of course I can put my laptop to sleep and when I lift the lid or, if I leave it open, if I press the spacebar it’s up and running in about 2 or 3 seconds, but that means it’s waking up from sleep mode and that is not the same as going to Power and selecting “Shutdown”. This is where the fast startup comes into play, I don’t think fast startup makes any difference when you use sleep mode.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 5:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

I have a bit of a high-end computer, and I definitely notice a difference when Fast boot is on or off. I can come in and out of shutdown in about as  long as it takes me to lift the lid on my laptop with fast boot on as opposed to about 35 seconds with fast boot off. This feature is also very reliable and stable--I can go for weeks without a restart. I don’t think Microsoft would have spent so much in R&D for this feature to not notice a difference in boot time.  

 

JR

  

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 3:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Agreed, if using a traditional mechanical drive. However, if one is using the new solid-state drive the increased time saved is not worth any possible inconvenience. I keep this turned off and all my solid-state drive computers and see virtually no difference in time whether it is enabled or not.


On Aug 24, 2018, at 4:43 AM, Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...> wrote:

I disagree. Fast Startup is a very useful time-saving feature of Windows. I use it on all my computers, and I’ve never experienced corruption.

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 1:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Just turn off fast startup, it’s a pain anyway.  Often your on-disk to memory transfer gets corrupted.  It causes more grief than it helps, in my experience.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 22 August 2018 15:42
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

While this is not directly JAWS related, the issue of lack of a "coming back from being shut down when using Fast Startup" sound, as well as the lack of the good, old-fashioned shutdown sound, under Windows 10 comes up repeatedly on virtually every screen reader related group I'm participating in.  

I have just created feedback related to both, and here's the click-through link to the Windows 10 Feedback Hub for it (which, of course, only works for Windows 10 users):

               "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

If this is an accessibility issue for you, please review this feedback and upvote it so that it will garner more attention.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

Yes, you are likely right, but personally, I know exactly what my computers are doing whether shutting down when I close the lid on my laptops or fully shutting down when I press the power button. We’re talking Windows here, so there’s lots of control and customization.

 

JR

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 9:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Hi, Sieghard. A lot of people haven’t bothered to go into their Power Options menu and check their settings for “Choose what the power buttons do”. Consequently, they don’t know that when they press the power off button, they are actually putting their computer into Sleep mode instead of Shutdown mode.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 9:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Hi Jeremy,

 

I think we just have to agree to disagree. If fast startup work for you then that’s great, for those of us who turn it off because maybe we just want to hear the startup sound or have other reasons that is also perfectly OK. I don’t know why your laptop takes 35 seconds to start without fast startup, I just recently got rid of my last Windows 7 PC at work which was 10 years old and on that machine Windows 7 took about 45 secons to boot, all my Windows 10 PC’s boot from being completely shut down and without fast startup in about 10 or 12 seconds.

When you say it comes out of shutdown in as long as it takes you to lift the lid and that you can go for weeks without a restart then I think you are talking a totally different thing here. It would seem you put your computer to sleep and don’t actually shut it down, I don’t even know if in sleep mode fast startup comes into play. I have fast startup disabled and of course I can put my laptop to sleep and when I lift the lid or, if I leave it open, if I press the spacebar it’s up and running in about 2 or 3 seconds, but that means it’s waking up from sleep mode and that is not the same as going to Power and selecting “Shutdown”. This is where the fast startup comes into play, I don’t think fast startup makes any difference when you use sleep mode.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 5:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

I have a bit of a high-end computer, and I definitely notice a difference when Fast boot is on or off. I can come in and out of shutdown in about as  long as it takes me to lift the lid on my laptop with fast boot on as opposed to about 35 seconds with fast boot off. This feature is also very reliable and stable--I can go for weeks without a restart. I don’t think Microsoft would have spent so much in R&D for this feature to not notice a difference in boot time.  

 

JR

  

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 3:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Agreed, if using a traditional mechanical drive. However, if one is using the new solid-state drive the increased time saved is not worth any possible inconvenience. I keep this turned off and all my solid-state drive computers and see virtually no difference in time whether it is enabled or not.


On Aug 24, 2018, at 4:43 AM, Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...> wrote:

I disagree. Fast Startup is a very useful time-saving feature of Windows. I use it on all my computers, and I’ve never experienced corruption.

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 1:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Just turn off fast startup, it’s a pain anyway.  Often your on-disk to memory transfer gets corrupted.  It causes more grief than it helps, in my experience.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 22 August 2018 15:42
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

While this is not directly JAWS related, the issue of lack of a "coming back from being shut down when using Fast Startup" sound, as well as the lack of the good, old-fashioned shutdown sound, under Windows 10 comes up repeatedly on virtually every screen reader related group I'm participating in.  

I have just created feedback related to both, and here's the click-through link to the Windows 10 Feedback Hub for it (which, of course, only works for Windows 10 users):

               "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

If this is an accessibility issue for you, please review this feedback and upvote it so that it will garner more attention.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

Re: How do I access to my default dictionary?

Leo
 

thank you Jeremy, it's done!



Visit my blog:
https://blindbirdchronicles.wordpress.com

Do me a favor and inspire me...
Literophilus

El 24/08/2018 a las 7:01, Jeremy escribió:
From wherever you are in Windows, press Insert+D then press ControlShiftD. If you press JAWSKey+T you should hear default.jdf.

If you're asked to create a new JDF file simply press escape, and the default.jdf file will load.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lev
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 5:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: How do I access to my default dictionary?

Hi everyone,

What are the keystrokes to quickly access my default dictionary?

In the past I had tryed pushing insert plus f2 and then going to the menu dictionary assistant, but after save changes it seems there is not any diference about how I want a word to be spelled.




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Udemy accessibility

Cristóbal
 

Hello list,

I was curious. Has anyone tried out any of the Udemy courses? Are they at all accessible? I know it may also depend on subject matter and whether it’s video based, etc, but in general, are the courses offered through this service Jaws/screen reader friendly?

I believe there’s also an iOS app and while being able to access materials via the iPhone or iPad would be nice, I’m thinking more along PC useage. Still though, how about iOS accessibility?

Any input would be appreciated.

Thank you,

Cristobal

Re: Latest Skype and Jaws 2018

Stan Bobbitt
 

Hi Jim, I’m experiencing the same thing.  I was able to do an JAWS OCR through the layered keystroke thing and click the menu items but without any confirmation. I only knew I’d actually closed Skype when I couldn’t find it in the system tray anymore.

Stan B

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim L
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 12:59 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Latest Skype and Jaws 2018

 

Heya folks,

 

Have installed the new Jaws update 2018 and latest Skype 8.2, Can anyone click on skype in the systray and access the menu list from there as we did with previous Skype version?

 

If so what is the menu list as Jaws doesn’t read it to me and I cannot cursor up or down on that list.

 

Cheers,

 

Jim

 

Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

Jonas Voll
 

Some POS!
https://www.poshighway.com/industries/pos-system-visually-impaired


Jonas Voll
Support Technician I
Envision, Inc.
2301 S Water ST
Wichita, KS 67213
O: 316-425-7141
F: 316-267-4312
www.envisionus.com

Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration for the blind and visually impaired through employment, outreach, rehabilitation, education and research.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 11:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

I use Microsoft Store Operations also called Microsoft Retail Management Solution (RMS).
It is by now discontinued/in maintenance mode for a few more years and I am also desparately looking for a replacement. If you are also in need of a POS solution I'd love to chat privately, it is not something FS seems to pay a lot of attention to.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jonas Voll
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 9:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

Hey what point of sale system Are you using?

Jonas Voll
Support Technician I
Envision, Inc.
2301 S Water ST
Wichita, KS 67213
O: 316-425-7141
F: 316-267-4312
www.envisionus.com

Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration for the blind and visually impaired through employment, outreach, rehabilitation, education and research.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 10:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

Especially since it takes usually a lot less than 30 seconds. My Asus laptop with an SSD has fast startup disabled as do my 4 desktops at work (all have SSD drives). All of them boot to the login prompt in about 10 or 12 seconds at most. When I had fast startup enabled on my laptop it might be 2 or 3 seconds faster, but who cares. I turn fast startup off for the same reason that I usually sht down my computer at home when I go to work for 8 or 10hours instead of putting it simply to sleep.
At work I have sleep mode disabled on my desktops because I use a point of sale system which uses an SQL database. If the point of sale application is open and the system goes to sleep and then wakes up it usually gives me an error saying it has lost the database connection so why bother. My work PC's stay on from Monday morning until Saturday evening and then we shut them down until we reopen on Monday morning.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 8:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

Doesn't it seem strange that we are in such a hurry to think waiting another 30 seconds for computer to boot up is unacceptable. I would rather wait and get a better chance of a clean boot than having that 30 seconds to surf the net or send a Email.
Does anyone remember having to insert a five and a quarter floppy to start the boot cycle or have to wait for your dial up service to connect?








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Re: Winamp or other programs I hope I can explain this right

pmbeardy@...
 

Hi, playlist editor has to be in the foreground. control tab. I usually have the eq window checked and the playlist editor. 

On Fri, 24 Aug 2018 08:28:24 -0700, "Bill White" wrote:

Hi, Jeremy. I experienced the following behavior in Winamp. If Winamp is not in the foreground, the hotkeys such as V for stop track, C for pause, X to go back to the beginning of track, Z to go back one track, do not function.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 7:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Winamp or other programs I hope I can explain this right

Regarding Winamp, why not use the hotkeys feature to control Winamp while the window is not in focus? That is, switch over to the explorer window containing the audio files then press enter to play the file in Winamp. If one wishes to play, pause, or stop the track, use the respective Winamp hotkey.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 7:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: winamp or other programs I hope I can explain this right

Hi, Nino. You can't have both the Winamp screen and the folder where the mp3 files are both in the foreground. You can, however ALT TAB between the Winamp screen and the folder where the mp3 files are located.

I'll try to call you in a while, and see if I'm missing something.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nino Dagostino
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 11:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: winamp or other programs I hope I can explain this right

Hi:

When I use winamp I have to alt tab to get to the winamp screen.

I was hoping to stay in the folder where the mp3 files are.

Thank you.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 12:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: winamp or other programs I hope I can explain this right

If your system is s not doing that automatically, exactly what is it doing?


On 8/15/2018 11:17 AM, Nino Dagostino wrote:
> Good morning:
>
> If I open a list of mp3s to play and when I open one of the files I
> would like winamp or what program I am using to com up to the forground.
>
> Is it possibil to do that?
>
> Thank you.
>
>























 

Re: Excel reading problem on Surface tablet

Tom Babinszki
 

Problem solved.
Fortunately I didn't have to go as far as a Windows reset.
I tried Office repair, didn't work.
Since I had an Office 2016 pro through my employer, I set up a personal home
account, reinstalled Office, and now it works properly.
At this point, I have no idea why. I was going to get a personal
subscription anyway, so all is well.
Thank you for all your help and your quick responses.
Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 11:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel reading problem on Surface tablet

Ok, again, I'm providing support sight unseen so please take with a grain of
salt... We may have to delve a bit deeper. I don't know how far down the
rabbit hole you want to get, but some things to consider are a repair of
Office, since your tablet is new, maybe a reset or refresh of Windows 10,
but I would first call the Microsoft helpdesk to see what they have to say
about this problem. You may have to call back to speak with a second
technician as they vary in their technical knowledge and ability. If you're
a busy person, it might be easier to start from scratch rather than spending
the next two weeks trying to figure this out. :)

It is interesting that NVDA and Narrator don't have a problem with Excel,
and I'm thinking all the troubleshooting modifications you made to JAWS
could be an issue, but again, you will have to weigh your options. Before
going as far as a reset or refresh, I would try completely uninstalling JAWS
and all its components then reinstalling once again.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Babinszki
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 7:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel reading problem on Surface tablet

Thanks, I didn't know this feature.
So, same thing, practically nothing.
Let me describe further what is happening.
I press enter on an excel file from any folder, any file.
As it is loading, it may read the current cell. During the load, if I react
quickly, I can press arrow keys and I move to a different cell.
It appears after the Excel scripts are loading is when the problem starts.
At this point, when I press any of the arrow keys, nothing is happening.
I even tried pass key through, same thing.
The reason why I know nothing is happening is because I can use JAWS-Tab to
read the current cell.
Now when I press Control-home or control-end, I hear first cell, or last
cell, but the current cell content doesn't change.
Especially because of the pass key through results, I thought I had an
excel, and not a JAWS problem.
Now when I turn JAWS off and start Narrator or NVDA, I can see that my arrow
or any other navigation indeed did not take place. But from now on, with
another screen reader, everything works just fine.
Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 9:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel reading problem on Surface tablet

Hi Tom,

What does JAWS in default mode tell you? In other words, press
Insert+spacebar then the letter Z to make JAWS perform as if you just
installed it. Try this then launch Excel and see what happens.

By the way, for those whom have not used this feature, using the JAWS
default mode is a very good way to begin troubleshooting before deleting
files and performing all kinds of odd procedures. This mode makes JAWS
behave as it is freshly installed. This can help one determine if it is JAWS
acting up or some other Windows setting. For many cases, this will rule out
JAWS as the culprit.

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Babinszki
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 10:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel reading problem on Surface tablet

In the meantime, I found that I have many different JAWs installs, settings,
etc.
I cleaned up everything, currently all I'm running is JAWS 2018, latest
update, out of the box.
Now the excel files are identical between Windows 7 and 10, still same
problem.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 12:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel reading problem on Surface tablet

Hi tom,

Since this Surface Pro is a new computer, are you certain it is on desktop
mode and not tablet mode? To check try this...

1. use the Start menu search box to look for the following:
Tablet mode settings

2. After opening tablet mode settings, the following is the very first item
you should land on:
When I sign in Combo box: Use X mode
Note: X stands for the various options in this combo box.

I should note that when I first purchased my Windows 10 tablet, it was
originally set to Tablet mode, and I had to use the arrow keys to change
this setting so my tablet would behave more like a desktop than a tablet.

I also want to add that on these lists individuals quickly throw around the
idea of performing a JAWS repair, but this isn't always necessary. In many
cases, users make lots of customizations to JAWS, and when a JAWS repair is
performed, these customizations are undone, which means setting up JAWS once
again--this takes time and effort. :)

Please let me know if my suggestion above helped in any way, and we'll take
it from there. :)

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Babinszki
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 4:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Excel reading problem on Surface tablet

Hi,
My name is Tom Babinszki, I just joined the list.
I have an interesting Excel reading problem.
I just got a Surface Pro running Windows 10 Pro.
I am not able to navigate excel sheets. When I press a cursor key, nothing
happens. There are two exceptions, one when I press a cursor key while
starting Excel, or when I switch over to it while running JAWS repair.

It works just fine with NVDA and Narrator. I did try the same Excel sheet
with the latest version of JAWS on Windows 7, that works too.
Here is what I have tried:
I repaired and reinstalled JAWS. Currently I'm running the latest version,
but I also tried JAWS 18 and 17, same results.
I did call Freedom, they gave me some new scripts to install but to be
honest it even broke what already worked.

Also, it maybe worth mentioning that I am able to read the workbooks on the
Surface using the touch cursor, but that is limited, and since I do a lot of
keyboard entry the cursor navigation is necessary.

Thank you for any help:

Tom

Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

Don H
 

If you don't do a complete restart of your computer every few days you will at least have the potential for having small issues with your computer. A restart clears cache and other things that a shutdown or sleep doesn't take care of.

On 8/24/2018 11:21 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
True enough, but when Jeremy said his laptop starts up when he lifts the lid and that he doesn’t need to restart it for weeks that tells me he is not actually shutting it down.
Most laptops have their power button under the lid so if it is shut down properly you have to lift the lid first and then press the power button to turn it on
You seem to know a lot about computers as well so maybe you can comment whether it makes any difference whether fast startup is enabled or disabled if your systemjust wakes up from sleep mode. I don’t think it does because I understand that fast startup is more like hybernation and that is certainly different from sleep mode.
*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Bill White
*Sent:* Friday, August 24, 2018 9:15 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?
Hi, Sieghard. A lot of people haven’t bothered to go into their Power Options menu and check their settings for “Choose what the power buttons do”. Consequently, they don’t know that when they press the power off button, they are actually putting their computer into Sleep mode instead of Shutdown mode.
Bill White
billwhite92701@...
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel
*Sent:* Friday, August 24, 2018 9:09 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?
Hi Jeremy,
I think we just have to agree to disagree. If fast startup work for you then that’s great, for those of us who turn it off because maybe we just want to hear the startup sound or have other reasons that is also perfectly OK. I don’t know why your laptop takes 35 seconds to start without fast startup, I just recently got rid of my last Windows 7 PC at work which was 10 years old and on that machine Windows 7 took about 45 secons to boot, all my Windows 10 PC’s boot from being completely shut down and without fast startup in about 10 or 12 seconds.
When you say it comes out of shutdown in as long as it takes you to lift the lid and that you can go for weeks without a restart then I think you are talking a totally different thing here. It would seem you put your computer to sleep and don’t actually shut it down, I don’t even know if in sleep mode fast startup comes into play. I have fast startup disabled and of course I can put my laptop to sleep and when I lift the lid or, if I leave it open, if I press the spacebar it’s up and running in about 2 or 3 seconds, but that means it’s waking up from sleep mode and that is not the same as going to Power and selecting “Shutdown”. This is where the fast startup comes into play, I don’t think fast startup makes any difference when you use sleep mode.
*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
*Sent:* Friday, August 24, 2018 5:31 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?
I have a bit of a high-end computer, and I definitely notice a difference when Fast boot is on or off. I can come in and out of shutdown in about as  long as it takes me to lift the lid on my laptop with fast boot on as opposed to about 35 seconds with fast boot off. This feature is also very reliable and stable--I can go for weeks without a restart. I don’t think Microsoft would have spent so much in R&D for this feature to not notice a difference in boot time.
JR
*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Alan Robbins via Groups.Io
*Sent:* Friday, August 24, 2018 3:39 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?
Agreed, if using a traditional mechanical drive. However, if one is using the new solid-state drive the increased time saved is not worth any possible inconvenience. I keep this turned off and all my solid-state drive computers and see virtually no difference in time whether it is enabled or not.
On Aug 24, 2018, at 4:43 AM, Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@... <mailto:jeremy.richards7@...>> wrote:
I disagree. Fast Startup is a very useful time-saving feature of
Windows. I use it on all my computers, and I’ve never experienced
corruption.
JR
*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of
*Steve Nutt
*Sent:* Friday, August 24, 2018 1:39 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we
get one?
Just turn off fast startup, it’s a pain anyway.  Often your on-disk
to memory transfer gets corrupted.  It causes more grief than it
helps, in my experience.
All the best
Steve
*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of
*Brian Vogel
*Sent:* 22 August 2018 15:42
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?
While this is not directly JAWS related, the issue of lack of a
"coming back from being shut down when using Fast Startup" sound, as
well as the lack of the good, old-fashioned shutdown sound, under
Windows 10 comes up repeatedly on virtually every screen reader
related group I'm participating in.
I have just created feedback related to both, and here's the
click-through link to the Windows 10 Feedback Hub for it (which, of
course, only works for Windows 10 users):
"Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?
<https://aka.ms/AA241hv>
If this is an accessibility issue for you, please review this
feedback and upvote it so that it will garner more attention.
--
Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134
/The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in
the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting
moment./
          ~ Dorothy Nevill

Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Bill,

           A big thanks for explaining that sleep mode and hibernation (regardless of whether partial for Fast Startup or full) have nothing to do with one another.  As you said, sleep mode is just a low power state where nothing is unloaded or written to disc other than, perhaps, the swap and page files, which have that same behavior when the system is live.

           Also, a big thanks for pointing out that going to Control Panel, Power Options, Choose what the power button does link is something that should be part and parcel of "standard checks" when you get a new Windows system or reinstall Windows.  It's been quite a while since Microsoft made the stupid decision (my opinion) to make the default behavior for pressing the power button be putting the computer to sleep.  It should rightly be Shut Down, as that's what virtually every other device with a power button does when in the "on state" and its power button is pressed.  Many computers have a dedicated sleep button, and those that don't have the sleep choice show up as part of the power options when you press the virtual power button.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

Bill White
 

You are correct in that it makes no difference if Fast Startup is enabled when it comes to waking up from Sleep mode. In Sleep mode, the OS doesn’t need to reload, either from full restart, or from an image created by hybernation. Everything is held in memory in Sleep mode, even programs you may have open such as Microsoft Word.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 9:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

True enough, but when Jeremy said his laptop starts up when he lifts the lid and that he doesn’t need to restart it for weeks that tells me he is not actually shutting it down.

Most laptops have their power button under the lid so if it is shut down properly you have to lift the lid first and then press the power button to turn it on

You seem to know a lot about computers as well so maybe you can comment whether it makes any difference whether fast startup is enabled or disabled if your systemjust wakes up from sleep mode. I don’t think it does because I understand that fast startup is more like hybernation and that is certainly different from sleep mode.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 9:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Hi, Sieghard. A lot of people haven’t bothered to go into their Power Options menu and check their settings for “Choose what the power buttons do”. Consequently, they don’t know that when they press the power off button, they are actually putting their computer into Sleep mode instead of Shutdown mode.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 9:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Hi Jeremy,

 

I think we just have to agree to disagree. If fast startup work for you then that’s great, for those of us who turn it off because maybe we just want to hear the startup sound or have other reasons that is also perfectly OK. I don’t know why your laptop takes 35 seconds to start without fast startup, I just recently got rid of my last Windows 7 PC at work which was 10 years old and on that machine Windows 7 took about 45 secons to boot, all my Windows 10 PC’s boot from being completely shut down and without fast startup in about 10 or 12 seconds.

When you say it comes out of shutdown in as long as it takes you to lift the lid and that you can go for weeks without a restart then I think you are talking a totally different thing here. It would seem you put your computer to sleep and don’t actually shut it down, I don’t even know if in sleep mode fast startup comes into play. I have fast startup disabled and of course I can put my laptop to sleep and when I lift the lid or, if I leave it open, if I press the spacebar it’s up and running in about 2 or 3 seconds, but that means it’s waking up from sleep mode and that is not the same as going to Power and selecting “Shutdown”. This is where the fast startup comes into play, I don’t think fast startup makes any difference when you use sleep mode.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 5:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

I have a bit of a high-end computer, and I definitely notice a difference when Fast boot is on or off. I can come in and out of shutdown in about as  long as it takes me to lift the lid on my laptop with fast boot on as opposed to about 35 seconds with fast boot off. This feature is also very reliable and stable--I can go for weeks without a restart. I don’t think Microsoft would have spent so much in R&D for this feature to not notice a difference in boot time.  

 

JR

  

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 3:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Agreed, if using a traditional mechanical drive. However, if one is using the new solid-state drive the increased time saved is not worth any possible inconvenience. I keep this turned off and all my solid-state drive computers and see virtually no difference in time whether it is enabled or not.


On Aug 24, 2018, at 4:43 AM, Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...> wrote:

I disagree. Fast Startup is a very useful time-saving feature of Windows. I use it on all my computers, and I’ve never experienced corruption.

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 1:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Just turn off fast startup, it’s a pain anyway.  Often your on-disk to memory transfer gets corrupted.  It causes more grief than it helps, in my experience.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 22 August 2018 15:42
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

While this is not directly JAWS related, the issue of lack of a "coming back from being shut down when using Fast Startup" sound, as well as the lack of the good, old-fashioned shutdown sound, under Windows 10 comes up repeatedly on virtually every screen reader related group I'm participating in.  

I have just created feedback related to both, and here's the click-through link to the Windows 10 Feedback Hub for it (which, of course, only works for Windows 10 users):

               "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

If this is an accessibility issue for you, please review this feedback and upvote it so that it will garner more attention.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

True enough, but when Jeremy said his laptop starts up when he lifts the lid and that he doesn’t need to restart it for weeks that tells me he is not actually shutting it down.

Most laptops have their power button under the lid so if it is shut down properly you have to lift the lid first and then press the power button to turn it on

You seem to know a lot about computers as well so maybe you can comment whether it makes any difference whether fast startup is enabled or disabled if your systemjust wakes up from sleep mode. I don’t think it does because I understand that fast startup is more like hybernation and that is certainly different from sleep mode.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 9:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Hi, Sieghard. A lot of people haven’t bothered to go into their Power Options menu and check their settings for “Choose what the power buttons do”. Consequently, they don’t know that when they press the power off button, they are actually putting their computer into Sleep mode instead of Shutdown mode.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 9:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Hi Jeremy,

 

I think we just have to agree to disagree. If fast startup work for you then that’s great, for those of us who turn it off because maybe we just want to hear the startup sound or have other reasons that is also perfectly OK. I don’t know why your laptop takes 35 seconds to start without fast startup, I just recently got rid of my last Windows 7 PC at work which was 10 years old and on that machine Windows 7 took about 45 secons to boot, all my Windows 10 PC’s boot from being completely shut down and without fast startup in about 10 or 12 seconds.

When you say it comes out of shutdown in as long as it takes you to lift the lid and that you can go for weeks without a restart then I think you are talking a totally different thing here. It would seem you put your computer to sleep and don’t actually shut it down, I don’t even know if in sleep mode fast startup comes into play. I have fast startup disabled and of course I can put my laptop to sleep and when I lift the lid or, if I leave it open, if I press the spacebar it’s up and running in about 2 or 3 seconds, but that means it’s waking up from sleep mode and that is not the same as going to Power and selecting “Shutdown”. This is where the fast startup comes into play, I don’t think fast startup makes any difference when you use sleep mode.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 5:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

I have a bit of a high-end computer, and I definitely notice a difference when Fast boot is on or off. I can come in and out of shutdown in about as  long as it takes me to lift the lid on my laptop with fast boot on as opposed to about 35 seconds with fast boot off. This feature is also very reliable and stable--I can go for weeks without a restart. I don’t think Microsoft would have spent so much in R&D for this feature to not notice a difference in boot time.  

 

JR

  

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 3:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Agreed, if using a traditional mechanical drive. However, if one is using the new solid-state drive the increased time saved is not worth any possible inconvenience. I keep this turned off and all my solid-state drive computers and see virtually no difference in time whether it is enabled or not.


On Aug 24, 2018, at 4:43 AM, Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...> wrote:

I disagree. Fast Startup is a very useful time-saving feature of Windows. I use it on all my computers, and I’ve never experienced corruption.

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 1:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Just turn off fast startup, it’s a pain anyway.  Often your on-disk to memory transfer gets corrupted.  It causes more grief than it helps, in my experience.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 22 August 2018 15:42
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

While this is not directly JAWS related, the issue of lack of a "coming back from being shut down when using Fast Startup" sound, as well as the lack of the good, old-fashioned shutdown sound, under Windows 10 comes up repeatedly on virtually every screen reader related group I'm participating in.  

I have just created feedback related to both, and here's the click-through link to the Windows 10 Feedback Hub for it (which, of course, only works for Windows 10 users):

               "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

If this is an accessibility issue for you, please review this feedback and upvote it so that it will garner more attention.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

I use Microsoft Store Operations also called Microsoft Retail Management Solution (RMS).
It is by now discontinued/in maintenance mode for a few more years and I am also desparately looking for a replacement. If you are also in need of a POS solution I'd love to chat privately, it is not something FS seems to pay a lot of attention to.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jonas Voll
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 9:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

Hey what point of sale system Are you using?

Jonas Voll
Support Technician I
Envision, Inc.
2301 S Water ST
Wichita, KS 67213
O: 316-425-7141
F: 316-267-4312
www.envisionus.com

Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration for the blind and visually impaired through employment, outreach, rehabilitation, education and research.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 10:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

Especially since it takes usually a lot less than 30 seconds. My Asus laptop with an SSD has fast startup disabled as do my 4 desktops at work (all have SSD drives). All of them boot to the login prompt in about 10 or 12 seconds at most. When I had fast startup enabled on my laptop it might be 2 or 3 seconds faster, but who cares. I turn fast startup off for the same reason that I usually sht down my computer at home when I go to work for 8 or 10hours instead of putting it simply to sleep.
At work I have sleep mode disabled on my desktops because I use a point of sale system which uses an SQL database. If the point of sale application is open and the system goes to sleep and then wakes up it usually gives me an error saying it has lost the database connection so why bother. My work PC's stay on from Monday morning until Saturday evening and then we shut them down until we reopen on Monday morning.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 8:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

Doesn't it seem strange that we are in such a hurry to think waiting another 30 seconds for computer to boot up is unacceptable. I would rather wait and get a better chance of a clean boot than having that 30 seconds to surf the net or send a Email.
Does anyone remember having to insert a five and a quarter floppy to start the boot cycle or have to wait for your dial up service to connect?








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Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

Bill White
 

Hi, Sieghard. A lot of people haven’t bothered to go into their Power Options menu and check their settings for “Choose what the power buttons do”. Consequently, they don’t know that when they press the power off button, they are actually putting their computer into Sleep mode instead of Shutdown mode.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 9:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Hi Jeremy,

 

I think we just have to agree to disagree. If fast startup work for you then that’s great, for those of us who turn it off because maybe we just want to hear the startup sound or have other reasons that is also perfectly OK. I don’t know why your laptop takes 35 seconds to start without fast startup, I just recently got rid of my last Windows 7 PC at work which was 10 years old and on that machine Windows 7 took about 45 secons to boot, all my Windows 10 PC’s boot from being completely shut down and without fast startup in about 10 or 12 seconds.

When you say it comes out of shutdown in as long as it takes you to lift the lid and that you can go for weeks without a restart then I think you are talking a totally different thing here. It would seem you put your computer to sleep and don’t actually shut it down, I don’t even know if in sleep mode fast startup comes into play. I have fast startup disabled and of course I can put my laptop to sleep and when I lift the lid or, if I leave it open, if I press the spacebar it’s up and running in about 2 or 3 seconds, but that means it’s waking up from sleep mode and that is not the same as going to Power and selecting “Shutdown”. This is where the fast startup comes into play, I don’t think fast startup makes any difference when you use sleep mode.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 5:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

I have a bit of a high-end computer, and I definitely notice a difference when Fast boot is on or off. I can come in and out of shutdown in about as  long as it takes me to lift the lid on my laptop with fast boot on as opposed to about 35 seconds with fast boot off. This feature is also very reliable and stable--I can go for weeks without a restart. I don’t think Microsoft would have spent so much in R&D for this feature to not notice a difference in boot time.  

 

JR

  

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 3:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Agreed, if using a traditional mechanical drive. However, if one is using the new solid-state drive the increased time saved is not worth any possible inconvenience. I keep this turned off and all my solid-state drive computers and see virtually no difference in time whether it is enabled or not.


On Aug 24, 2018, at 4:43 AM, Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...> wrote:

I disagree. Fast Startup is a very useful time-saving feature of Windows. I use it on all my computers, and I’ve never experienced corruption.

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 1:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Just turn off fast startup, it’s a pain anyway.  Often your on-disk to memory transfer gets corrupted.  It causes more grief than it helps, in my experience.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 22 August 2018 15:42
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

While this is not directly JAWS related, the issue of lack of a "coming back from being shut down when using Fast Startup" sound, as well as the lack of the good, old-fashioned shutdown sound, under Windows 10 comes up repeatedly on virtually every screen reader related group I'm participating in.  

I have just created feedback related to both, and here's the click-through link to the Windows 10 Feedback Hub for it (which, of course, only works for Windows 10 users):

               "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

If this is an accessibility issue for you, please review this feedback and upvote it so that it will garner more attention.
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

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Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

Jonas Voll
 

Hey what point of sale system Are you using?

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 10:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

Especially since it takes usually a lot less than 30 seconds. My Asus laptop with an SSD has fast startup disabled as do my 4 desktops at work (all have SSD drives). All of them boot to the login prompt in about 10 or 12 seconds at most. When I had fast startup enabled on my laptop it might be 2 or 3 seconds faster, but who cares. I turn fast startup off for the same reason that I usually sht down my computer at home when I go to work for 8 or 10hours instead of putting it simply to sleep.
At work I have sleep mode disabled on my desktops because I use a point of sale system which uses an SQL database. If the point of sale application is open and the system goes to sleep and then wakes up it usually gives me an error saying it has lost the database connection so why bother. My work PC's stay on from Monday morning until Saturday evening and then we shut them down until we reopen on Monday morning.



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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 8:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

Doesn't it seem strange that we are in such a hurry to think waiting another 30 seconds for computer to boot up is unacceptable. I would rather wait and get a better chance of a clean boot than having that 30 seconds to surf the net or send a Email.
Does anyone remember having to insert a five and a quarter floppy to start the boot cycle or have to wait for your dial up service to connect?








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Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

I had the Accent synthesizer

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 9:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

Well, I didn't have JAWS from day one. I started out with something called PC VERT. Then I migrated to Artic, then to Linux, using a DoubleTalk synthesizer, then to Windows, which is when I finally migrated to JAWS. I don't see this as a drawback, though, because it gave me experience with a few synthesizers and OS's.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 9:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

You have me beat by 4 years, Bill, I got my first 386 in the fall of 1989 when I moved from Germany to Canada and started University here. It had a 3.5 inch and 5.25 inch floppy drive and a 70Mb hard drive, at the time that was the envy of most of my fellow students at the University of Western Ontario in London because most of them had 286 machines with 20Mb or 40Mb hard drives. I think I started out with DOS 3 or 4, can't remember, but I had Jaws for DOS from day one, my Jaws serial number is 1056 and sometimes when I call Jaws tech support and get one of the newer agents they always expect me to recite more numbers when I tell them my serial number.

Take care,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 8:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

I sure do, Don. I started using my computer in 1985, DOS 2.1. I had two floppy drives, no internal drive, and I loved it. If something went wrong with my synthesizer, I had a backup floppy disk, and I'd just use that to boot up, then diagnose what went wrong with my original disk. If something went wrong with the OS, I could just make another disk, and all was well. No messing around with a registry. There wasn't any registry. Plus, I was in control of what went on with my computer. There was less background interference from the OS.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 8:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

Doesn't it seem strange that we are in such a hurry to think waiting another 30 seconds for computer to boot up is unacceptable. I would rather wait and get a better chance of a clean boot than having that 30 seconds to surf the net or send a Email.
Does anyone remember having to insert a five and a quarter floppy to start the boot cycle or have to wait for your dial up service to connect?

Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Hi Jeremy,

 

I think we just have to agree to disagree. If fast startup work for you then that’s great, for those of us who turn it off because maybe we just want to hear the startup sound or have other reasons that is also perfectly OK. I don’t know why your laptop takes 35 seconds to start without fast startup, I just recently got rid of my last Windows 7 PC at work which was 10 years old and on that machine Windows 7 took about 45 secons to boot, all my Windows 10 PC’s boot from being completely shut down and without fast startup in about 10 or 12 seconds.

When you say it comes out of shutdown in as long as it takes you to lift the lid and that you can go for weeks without a restart then I think you are talking a totally different thing here. It would seem you put your computer to sleep and don’t actually shut it down, I don’t even know if in sleep mode fast startup comes into play. I have fast startup disabled and of course I can put my laptop to sleep and when I lift the lid or, if I leave it open, if I press the spacebar it’s up and running in about 2 or 3 seconds, but that means it’s waking up from sleep mode and that is not the same as going to Power and selecting “Shutdown”. This is where the fast startup comes into play, I don’t think fast startup makes any difference when you use sleep mode.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 5:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

I have a bit of a high-end computer, and I definitely notice a difference when Fast boot is on or off. I can come in and out of shutdown in about as  long as it takes me to lift the lid on my laptop with fast boot on as opposed to about 35 seconds with fast boot off. This feature is also very reliable and stable--I can go for weeks without a restart. I don’t think Microsoft would have spent so much in R&D for this feature to not notice a difference in boot time.  

 

JR

  

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 3:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Agreed, if using a traditional mechanical drive. However, if one is using the new solid-state drive the increased time saved is not worth any possible inconvenience. I keep this turned off and all my solid-state drive computers and see virtually no difference in time whether it is enabled or not.


On Aug 24, 2018, at 4:43 AM, Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...> wrote:

I disagree. Fast Startup is a very useful time-saving feature of Windows. I use it on all my computers, and I’ve never experienced corruption.

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 1:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Just turn off fast startup, it’s a pain anyway.  Often your on-disk to memory transfer gets corrupted.  It causes more grief than it helps, in my experience.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 22 August 2018 15:42
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

While this is not directly JAWS related, the issue of lack of a "coming back from being shut down when using Fast Startup" sound, as well as the lack of the good, old-fashioned shutdown sound, under Windows 10 comes up repeatedly on virtually every screen reader related group I'm participating in.  

I have just created feedback related to both, and here's the click-through link to the Windows 10 Feedback Hub for it (which, of course, only works for Windows 10 users):

               "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

If this is an accessibility issue for you, please review this feedback and upvote it so that it will garner more attention.
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill