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locked Commitment

Peter Donahue
 

Good morning everyone,

Evasiveness, Persistency and most of all commitment work! We have a Braille-Edge 40, Duxbury, and the latest version of Jaws For Windows to prove it! This is just scratching the surface. And since covering the cost of assistive technology such as Jaws is important to the blind it seems like some brainstorming is in order.

Peter Donahue

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 9:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

Dan,

I appreciate your commitment to your faith and the work you do. I did
not have in mind Christians in general or evangelicals. the latter is
occasionally ridiculed for their style of religious teaching. Peter's
evasiveness and persistence reminds me specifically of Jehovah's
Witnesses at the train station. Few can actually describe their faith
accurately and prospects are pursued vigorously.

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On 11/3/18, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:
Hi Kelly,

We don't always agree, but here I totally agree with you. So far Peter
hasn't said anything which would inspire confidence in me to even want to
talk to him. I wonder if there is also a Paul in his team? You know, Peter
Paul and Mary *smile*.
All I can say to those who contact him is to be critical regarding what he
is trying to sell you.

Regards,
Sieghard



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 4:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

it sounds like Peter is trying to covertly pitch a network marketing scheme.
Network marketers are like religious proselytizers. their offer is shady and
they act like parasites.

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On 11/3/18, Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@...> wrote:
Yes, I agree, pricing is now within reach of many moore people. I
forget at times that development and on going updates takes qualified
people and that costs dollars.

Dan



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Man, I don’t want to be a Debbie downer, but no, this doesn’t’ sound
sketchy at all…

As far as the cost of blindness related technology.

While prices for some stuff can still be eye watering, the trend has
indeed gone down. Vispero’s new pricing model being the most recent
example of that. Despite Gerald’s reflexive “The Sky is Falling”, I’m
sure the Vispero folks scratch padded their new structure and after
all their number crunching, they must have been satisfied enough to go
forward. Just spitballing, $90 a month as opposed to one shot deals of
$900 with $60 yearly SMAs after that may give them a more solid and
consistent revenue stream. Let folks catch up and give even other
people the chance to dip their toes into the Jaws world and probably
end up retaining a lot of them when it comes time to renew.

Who knows, maybe between NVDA’s improvements and Microsoft’s Narrator
push, this was the competition that was necessary to finally break
down that initial price barrier for acquiring Jaws.

Newer and cheaper Braille displays are on the market, OCR solutions
aren’t only confined to K1000 anymore. I mean, you could get by with
the KNFBReader Windows app that cost $20. ABBY FineReader too. This
isn’t even mentioning the iOS/mobile stuff.

Stuff sure isn’t suddenly cheap, but man, it’s not how it used to be
before where unless you had access to a governmental program, had a
family well off enough to pay for it, maybe pawned off your soul to
get financing to buy a piece of tech or could play with it until you
graduated out of school you were more or less straight out of luck.



Cristóbal



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Kevin
Meyers
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 2:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Peter,



I would like to talk to you about how you and your wife generate
additional income. I would have sent this email directly to you and
couldn’t find it it in the string of emails.



How about sending me a email to kevinmeyers@...
<mailto:kevinmeyers@...> .



Cheers,



Kevin



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 10:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Good morning everyone,



In compliance with one of our parent company's rules
of conduct and a wish not to clutter up the list with unwanted banquet
if you want additional information please contact me privately.
Several folks here have already done that. We'll be meeting with one of
them this afternoon.
All the best.



Peter Donahue







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Gimmy some of that special sauce.


On Nov 2, 2018, at 8:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard
<mailto:@Sieghard> > wrote:

Hi Peter,



Could you be just a little bit more specific, what you say is pretty
vague like "Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional income
streams"
and "Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago".

What business idea was shared with you? Can you give just some rough
examples of some of these potential income streams? Just curious.

I once read some posts on a different list where somebody was setting
up Go Fund Me campagnes asking for money to buy stuff, hopefully your
"business idea" is di



ferent because to me that is little different from begging. Online
fund raising just as traditional fund raising for a specific purpose
where maybe a family's home burned down or the primary bread winner of
the family was seriously hurt or killed in an accident is fine and I
have often contributed to such fund raisers. But nowadays when you
look at Go Fund Me or other such sites where people beg for money
because they want to go on vacation or because they can't afford
something they want then I certainly wouldn't give them a single
Penny. Once a very very long time ago when I was very young I fell for
one of these get rich schemes with real estate. I happened to hear
this infomercial about this guy who was just itching to share with
everybody how you can get rich in less than a year buy buying real
estate and he showed off all these happy people who bought his
tutorial for $199 which was only $99 if you acted now and on and on.
Of course it came with a full money back guaranty and naiive as I was
I ordered it. It ended up being like a dozen CD's where he went on and
on saying nothing and repeating himself and it was a complete waste of
time and money. I called to get my money back but of course because of
some condition I forgot I didn't qualify, basically guys like that are
like the old snakeoil sales people who sell a cure for something and the
only thing it cures is their own wallet.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Good morning everyone,



A lot of blind people also choose not to create income
streams to generate the money to self-fund whatever blindness products
and services they need. Mary and I have many ideas for generating
additional income streams. We have heard nothing but excuses from
blind people we tried to reach out to to help them improve their
financial situation. Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us
years ago this past January we were able to buy the latest upgrade of
Jaws for Windows, the Dusbury Braille Translator, and my wife Mary
bought herself a Braille-Edge 40 without seeking help from rehab thank
you



Let me shut down some other rubbish that has come upon
other lists on which we shared these accomplishments. Recall above
that we said we're willing to help others accomplish what we have done
to be better positioned to meet the costs of blindness products and
services only to be told we were braggers, and were called many other
names I won't repeat.
Braggers don't reach out to help others improve their financial
situation. I hate to say it but those with such mindsets and who do
nothing but complain about the high cost of blindness products and
services without being willing to do something about it have created
their own problems. While it's true society doesn't always have the
best attitude towards the blind the blind themselves are also
responsible for their lack of financial resources if opportunities are
placed in their laps and they fail to get on board.



I also want to commend VFO for it's new pricing and
authorization scheme. They have done something to make it easier for
blind people to buy their products. It's now up to blind individuals
to seek out opportunities to develop the needed income streams so they
can buy whatever VFO product they need without having to turn to rehab
for help. Again Mary and I stand ready to assist anyone wishing to
follow our lead so they can do what we've accomplished. All the best.



Peter Donahue







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the
least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years. Has
Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people don't
have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or receive
our JAWS from agencies?





Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@... <mailto:lucky1inct@...>

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~


On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a
lot. With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year. But if
the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year
and it goes up from there. What is the purpose of this?



Stew



On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.



It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.



Is this correct?



I do have one concern, though.



$90 a year doesn t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in
2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the
license by December 31.



Am I missing something?



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



from the fs e store.



https://store.freedomscientific.com/
<wlmailhtml:%7b9C3B667B-BEAC-4613-97DF-4EF1CEF83958%7dmid://00000009/%
21x-usc:https://store.freedomscientific.com/>




From: Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@...>

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Michael:



Where did you get this info?



I m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.



I d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options
if possible.



Thanks for the help!



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael
Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most popular
screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now available for
home users in the United States. Choose between a one-, three-, or
five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your license at the
end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most
up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to
get new versions when they release you have access to all upgrades
released during your license term. Having access to new versions of
JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to
use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows ,
Microsoft Office , your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison
<https://www.freedomscientific.com/products/blindness/JAWSLicenseCompa
rison>


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After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an
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Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage
your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and
activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of
your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your license
from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same
email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already
registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive
and sign in your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal,
non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions
of the Windows operating system. Refer



From: Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@...>

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

To: 'jfw list' <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Hello, everyone.



I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can t seem to find a
nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that
apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.



Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do
something to renew it at some point.



Up until now, I ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for
$120.



If there now is a more economical way to do this, I d certainly love
to learn about it.



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan




















locked Re: E-Mail Contact

Alan Robbins
 

Peter,

 

I did email you yesterday or day before prior to reading about the dumpster diving recommendation. I never heard back from you regarding ideas. However, after reading that recommendation probably just as well if those are your typical type ideas.

 

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 9:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: E-Mail Contact

 

Hello again everyone,

 

                To return this list to it's regularly scheduled discussions going forward please send inquiries to: pdonahue2@...

 

                We'll look forward to discussing things further if we're contacted privately. All the best.

 

Peter Donahue

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ward Dudley
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 5:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

 

Peter,

 

I am interested in learning what you did.  How do we contact you privately? 

 

Ward

 

On 11/3/2018 4:47 PM, Kevin Meyers wrote:

Peter,

 

I would like to talk to you about how you and your wife generate additional income. I would have sent this email directly to you and couldn’t find it it in the string of emails.

 

How about sending me a email to kevinmeyers@....

 

Cheers,

 

Kevin

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 10:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

 

Good morning everyone,

 

                In compliance with one of our parent company's rules of conduct and a wish not to clutter up the list with unwanted banquet if you want additional information please contact me privately. Several folks here have already done that. We'll be meeting with one of them this afternoon. All the best.

 

Peter Donahue

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

 

Gimmy some of that special sauce. 


On Nov 2, 2018, at 8:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

Hi Peter,

 

Could you be just a little bit more specific, what you say is pretty vague like "Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional income streams" and "Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago".

What business idea was shared with you? Can you give just some rough examples of some of these potential income streams? Just curious.

I once read some posts on a different list where somebody was setting up Go Fund Me campagnes asking for money to buy stuff, hopefully your "business idea" is di

 

ferent because to me that is little different from begging. Online fund raising just as traditional fund raising for a specific purpose where maybe a family's home burned down or the primary bread winner of the family was seriously hurt or killed in an accident  is fine and I have often contributed to such fund raisers. But nowadays when you  look at Go Fund Me or other such sites where people beg for money because they want to go on vacation or because they can't afford something they want then I certainly wouldn't give them a single Penny. Once a very very long time ago when I was very young I fell for one of these get rich schemes with real estate. I happened to hear this infomercial about this guy who was just itching to share with everybody how you can get rich in less than a year buy buying real estate and he showed off all these happy people who bought his tutorial for $199 which was only $99 if you acted now and on and on. Of course it came with a full money back guaranty and naiive as I was I ordered it. It ended up being like a dozen CD's where he went on and on saying nothing and repeating himself and it was a complete waste of time and money. I called to get my money back but of course because of some condition I forgot I didn't qualify, basically guys like that are like the old snakeoil sales people who sell a cure for something and the only thing it cures is their own wallet.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

 

Good morning everyone,

 

                A lot of blind people also choose not to create income streams to generate the money to self-fund whatever blindness products and services they need. Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional income streams. We have heard nothing but excuses from blind people we tried to reach out to to help them improve their financial situation. Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago this past January we were able to buy the latest upgrade of Jaws for Windows, the Dusbury Braille Translator, and my wife Mary bought herself a Braille-Edge 40 without seeking help from rehab thank you

 

                Let me shut down some other rubbish that has come upon other lists on which we shared these accomplishments. Recall above that we said we're willing to help others accomplish what we have done to be better positioned to meet the costs of blindness products and services only to be told we were braggers, and were called many other names I won't repeat. Braggers don't reach out to help others improve their financial situation. I hate to say it but those with such mindsets and who do nothing but complain about the high cost of blindness products and services without being willing to do something about it have created their own problems. While it's true society doesn't always have the best attitude towards the blind the blind themselves are also responsible for their lack of financial resources if opportunities are placed in their laps and they fail to get on board.

 

                I also want to commend VFO for it's new pricing and authorization scheme. They have done something to make it easier for blind people to buy their products. It's now up to blind individuals to seek out opportunities to develop the needed income streams so they can buy whatever VFO product they need without having to turn to rehab for help. Again Mary and I stand ready to assist anyone wishing to follow our lead so they can do what we've accomplished. All the best.

 

Peter Donahue

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years.  Has Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people don't have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or receive our JAWS from agencies?

 

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a lot. With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year. But if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year and it goes up from there. What is the purpose of this?

 

Stew

 

On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.

It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.

Is this correct?

I do have one concern, though.

$90 a year doesnt seem to be that great of a deal, since back in 2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the license by December 31.

Am I missing something?

Tom Behler

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

from the fs e store.

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Michael:

Where did you get this info?

Im asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.

Id like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options if possible.

Thanks for the help!

Tom Behler

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now available for home users in the United States. Choose between a one-, three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to get new versions when they release you have access to all upgrades released during your license term. Having access to new versions of JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows, Microsoft Office, your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison

What's Next?

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive and sign in your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal, non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Hello, everyone.

I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but cant seem to find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.

Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do something to renew it at some point.

Up until now, Ive renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for $120.

If there now is a more economical way to do this, Id certainly love to learn about it.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

 


Re: Can scripts be made for particular websites?

Shannon
 

What program are you working with? This is also a payroll program.


On Nov 2, 2018, at 10:11 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

I have the same issue with the Payroll service I use for my business. In order to process the payroll everybody's hours need to be entered in a grid and Jaws also sees the entire grid as a single item or something like that. I mentioned to my rep there that I'd like to speak to somebody about accessibility and point out some of these difficulties and about a week later I got an email from one of their top people who asked if I would be available 3 days from that time for a conference call where he was going to have some of the web developers who maintain the site available to have a look. I showed them my screen and how difficult/impossible it was to do this and they consequently thanked me and asked if I would be willing to test this for them if they made changes. They also were hoping to contact Vispero to get some guidance on what they would need to do. I was very pleasantly surprised by their responsiveness and willingness to try and improve this, it won't happen over ight, but it's definitely a step in the right direction.

Have you tried to contact the company whose service/application this is? I thought there are also laws in the US as far as accessibility is concerned.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 7:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Can scripts be made for particular websites?

 

Hello,

 

I am kind of in a bind. The time collection program we use here at work is no longer going to be supported on the desk top version. I had scripts developed for this version but now they are moving to the web platform.

At best I think the site is poorley written. It is entirely  possible that I don’t have all the skills to work with this site but I have found several unlabled elements, The virtual curser treats the lines in a grid as one continuous line to be read instead of individual elements, and there are bound to be more things I haven’t found yet.

If I contact the rehab agency here to help can it even be done? Can a script be written for a web application?

Or am I out of luck?

Thanks

Shannon


Re: Can scripts be made for particular websites?

Shannon
 

I have tried to get through to the developers for this but sales and support seem to be shielding them. I had told support many times how important keyboard access is but the message never made it or it fell on deaf ears. Since I was able to have scripts to fix the desk top version they probibly figure I should be able to do it again.
I don‘T know of any laws with respect to private companies and accessibility of their products.

I am having a devil of a time trying to get the scripter that worked on the last version to even look at it to see if it can be done. I have asked him three times how much the evaluation would cost and he wont answer me. I need to know if i can use it asap. The renewal is time sensitive. 


On Nov 2, 2018, at 10:11 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

I have the same issue with the Payroll service I use for my business. In order to process the payroll everybody's hours need to be entered in a grid and Jaws also sees the entire grid as a single item or something like that. I mentioned to my rep there that I'd like to speak to somebody about accessibility and point out some of these difficulties and about a week later I got an email from one of their top people who asked if I would be available 3 days from that time for a conference call where he was going to have some of the web developers who maintain the site available to have a look. I showed them my screen and how difficult/impossible it was to do this and they consequently thanked me and asked if I would be willing to test this for them if they made changes. They also were hoping to contact Vispero to get some guidance on what they would need to do. I was very pleasantly surprised by their responsiveness and willingness to try and improve this, it won't happen over ight, but it's definitely a step in the right direction.

Have you tried to contact the company whose service/application this is? I thought there are also laws in the US as far as accessibility is concerned.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 7:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Can scripts be made for particular websites?

 

Hello,

 

I am kind of in a bind. The time collection program we use here at work is no longer going to be supported on the desk top version. I had scripts developed for this version but now they are moving to the web platform.

At best I think the site is poorley written. It is entirely  possible that I don’t have all the skills to work with this site but I have found several unlabled elements, The virtual curser treats the lines in a grid as one continuous line to be read instead of individual elements, and there are bound to be more things I haven’t found yet.

If I contact the rehab agency here to help can it even be done? Can a script be written for a web application?

Or am I out of luck?

Thanks

Shannon


Re: How to make jaws read number of items

Tom <tomcat509@...>
 

Hi Bill,

Shift tab in Outlook 2013, on my system anyway, gives me the number of unread messages which is quite useful.

Insert tab gives more info like number in the list, i.e. 11 of 25, but with more verbage.

The first method gives less info but it punishes my ears less.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Sunday, 4 November 2018 2:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

Hi, Tom. Do you mean SHIFT TAB or do you mean INSERT TAB? SHIFT just backs up one window in Outlook. For instance, if I am in the folder list, SHIFT TAB just backs up to the submit search button.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 7:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

Sieghard,

Conversations in my Outlook 2013 are turned off and all seems to work as they should except when there are more than 23 messages in the list.

Anyway, it is not a big deal and does not cause me any grief because shift tab gives the correct number.

Tom


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, 4 November 2018 12:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

Hi Tom,

It also depends whether you have conversations turned on in Outlook, I find that this does make it more difficult for Jaws to give an exact message count as in 3 of 46 or whatever.
For example, just now in the email account I use for my list traffic when I press Jaws Key+NumPad 3 it says "Items in view 7, unread items 3", but when I arrow up and down and count there are 6 items and some of them are conversations which if I expand them have more than one message.
Also, if I press Home to go to the top on my Inbox and then up arrow once Jaws reads the following item which seems to be counted as 1 item when Jaws reports 7 items in the status bar:

Group By: Expanded: Date: Today Expanded, 1 of 6

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 5:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

Richard,
Under Outlook 2013 and Jaws 2019, the commands you mentioned give different results on my system.

Pressing insert numpad 3 mentions something about filters which I don't understand.
Pressing insert numpad 8 or insert tab gives me 23 of 23 messages while currently there are 28. Once the number gets to under 23 messages, the readout is correct.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, 4 November 2018 12:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

George, Did you say you are using Jaws 2018?
In my 2018, jaws-key, which is really the insert key, plus numpad 3, gives me just the total number of items in that folder. While, insert plus numpad 8, or the tab key give me the item number and the total number of items.
It is the same in 2019. I just checked with both versions. So, that must be a settings issue somewhere, but I really don't know where that setting might be.

Richard



“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of George Gray
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

All that does is tell me the number of Item and that 1 is selected.
It does not tell me which number the Item is of how many there are...thanks.

On 11/3/18, Mike B. <mike9902@...> wrote:
Hi George,

Will Jaws key + 3 / Page Down, on the numpad work for you?
Take care. Mike. Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In
the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: George Gray
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 4:45 AM
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items


Nope! Not for me in JAWS 2018...

On 11/2/18, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:
For me both Jaws Key+Tab as well as a simple say line, Jaws
Key+NumPad 8, reads the file name, date, file type and whether it's
27 of 52 or whatever.
It does not read it when you simply arrow down or up through the
list of files.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

I went to my "my documents" folder and pressed insert+tab and this is
what

I
heard:
Not Selected 2016Low-Vision Expo images‎8/‎22/‎2018 ‏‎5:29 AM File
folder

1
of 885

Jaws 2019, Windows 10

But, Window-Eyes would have read the index number automatically.

Richard


“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip
under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of George
Gray
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

I also have this situation. It appears that somehow a maximum of 13
is the count in any Folder where I have many additional files.

If I pres Enter + T it reads the file name and whatever it's place in 13.
And, when I press Enter + Tab I hear the same.

Thanks.

On 11/2/18, Ann Byrne <annakb@...> wrote:
In most cases, insert+tab will read the current item, plus how many
of how many.

I hope this works in your case.
At 05:29 AM 11/2/2018, you wrote:
I used to use window eyes. It would read the number if items in a
folder after reading off a file name. Is there a way to do this in
jaws? Right now jaws only reads item names in file explorer not how
many items there afterwards

Thanks

Jim






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locked Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

David Ingram
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@...>
Sent: Nov 3, 2018 7:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

Really though... Who's not down for a good prosperity gospel, megachurch, private jet, donate now sermon every now and then?

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

Although I do think Kelly's message was a little over the top, I would not go as far to say Kelly was labeling people. I think Dan Longmore's message was based on the fact that, a nerve was touched. We should stay away from the label of being judgmental just because we are a Christian. After all, statistics have repeatedly shown that a lot of wars were started in the name of Christianity which is not what Jesus Christ preached. Time, I think to get to other matters rather then slinging mud at each other. In the name of fairness, perhaps Peter could clarify what exactly he does. Honestly, if that was done it could negate a lot of negative posts and claims of being judgmental or being called God.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: November 3, 2018 4:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

Ok, let's stop labeling people and making assumptions. As a Pastor and Christian I find your message quite judgmental. Your experience may cause you to feel that way, and I respect that but labeling all in a group is wrong. Let's stick to the purpose of this group, using JAWS.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 7:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

it sounds like Peter is trying to covertly pitch a network marketing scheme. Network marketers are like religious proselytizers. their offer is shady and they act like parasites.

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On 11/3/18, Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@...> wrote:
Yes, I agree, pricing is now within reach of many moore people. I
forget at times that development and on going updates takes qualified
people and that costs dollars.

Dan



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Man, I don’t want to be a Debbie downer, but no, this doesn’t’ sound
sketchy at all…

As far as the cost of blindness related technology.

While prices for some stuff can still be eye watering, the trend has
indeed gone down. Vispero’s new pricing model being the most recent
example of that. Despite Gerald’s reflexive “The Sky is Falling”, I’m
sure the Vispero folks scratch padded their new structure and after
all their number crunching, they must have been satisfied enough to go
forward. Just spitballing, $90 a month as opposed to one shot deals of
$900 with $60 yearly SMAs after that may give them a more solid and
consistent revenue stream. Let folks catch up and give even other
people the chance to dip their toes into the Jaws world and probably
end up retaining a lot of them when it comes time to renew.

Who knows, maybe between NVDA’s improvements and Microsoft’s Narrator
push, this was the competition that was necessary to finally break
down that initial price barrier for acquiring Jaws.

Newer and cheaper Braille displays are on the market, OCR solutions
aren’t only confined to K1000 anymore. I mean, you could get by with
the KNFBReader Windows app that cost $20. ABBY FineReader too. This
isn’t even mentioning the iOS/mobile stuff.

Stuff sure isn’t suddenly cheap, but man, it’s not how it used to be
before where unless you had access to a governmental program, had a
family well off enough to pay for it, maybe pawned off your soul to
get financing to buy a piece of tech or could play with it until you
graduated out of school you were more or less straight out of luck.



Cristóbal



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Kevin
Meyers
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 2:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Peter,



I would like to talk to you about how you and your wife generate
additional income. I would have sent this email directly to you and
couldn’t find it it in the string of emails.



How about sending me a email to kevinmeyers@...
<mailto:kevinmeyers@...> .



Cheers,



Kevin



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 10:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Good morning everyone,



In compliance with one of our parent company's rules
of conduct and a wish not to clutter up the list with unwanted banquet
if you want additional information please contact me privately.
Several folks here have already done that. We'll be meeting with one of them this afternoon.
All the best.



Peter Donahue







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Gimmy some of that special sauce.


On Nov 2, 2018, at 8:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard
<mailto:@Sieghard> > wrote:

Hi Peter,



Could you be just a little bit more specific, what you say is pretty
vague like "Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional income streams"
and "Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago".

What business idea was shared with you? Can you give just some rough
examples of some of these potential income streams? Just curious.

I once read some posts on a different list where somebody was setting
up Go Fund Me campagnes asking for money to buy stuff, hopefully your
"business idea" is di



ferent because to me that is little different from begging. Online
fund raising just as traditional fund raising for a specific purpose
where maybe a family's home burned down or the primary bread winner of
the family was seriously hurt or killed in an accident is fine and I
have often contributed to such fund raisers. But nowadays when you
look at Go Fund Me or other such sites where people beg for money
because they want to go on vacation or because they can't afford
something they want then I certainly wouldn't give them a single
Penny. Once a very very long time ago when I was very young I fell for
one of these get rich schemes with real estate. I happened to hear
this infomercial about this guy who was just itching to share with
everybody how you can get rich in less than a year buy buying real
estate and he showed off all these happy people who bought his
tutorial for $199 which was only $99 if you acted now and on and on.
Of course it came with a full money back guaranty and naiive as I was
I ordered it. It ended up being like a dozen CD's where he went on and
on saying nothing and repeating himself and it was a complete waste of
time and money. I called to get my money back but of course because of
some condition I forgot I didn't qualify, basically guys like that are like the old snakeoil sales people who sell a cure for something and the only thing it cures is their own wallet.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Good morning everyone,



A lot of blind people also choose not to create income
streams to generate the money to self-fund whatever blindness products
and services they need. Mary and I have many ideas for generating
additional income streams. We have heard nothing but excuses from
blind people we tried to reach out to to help them improve their
financial situation. Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us
years ago this past January we were able to buy the latest upgrade of
Jaws for Windows, the Dusbury Braille Translator, and my wife Mary
bought herself a Braille-Edge 40 without seeking help from rehab thank
you



Let me shut down some other rubbish that has come upon
other lists on which we shared these accomplishments. Recall above
that we said we're willing to help others accomplish what we have done
to be better positioned to meet the costs of blindness products and
services only to be told we were braggers, and were called many other names I won't repeat.
Braggers don't reach out to help others improve their financial
situation. I hate to say it but those with such mindsets and who do
nothing but complain about the high cost of blindness products and
services without being willing to do something about it have created
their own problems. While it's true society doesn't always have the
best attitude towards the blind the blind themselves are also
responsible for their lack of financial resources if opportunities are placed in their laps and they fail to get on board.



I also want to commend VFO for it's new pricing and
authorization scheme. They have done something to make it easier for
blind people to buy their products. It's now up to blind individuals
to seek out opportunities to develop the needed income streams so they
can buy whatever VFO product they need without having to turn to rehab
for help. Again Mary and I stand ready to assist anyone wishing to
follow our lead so they can do what we've accomplished. All the best.



Peter Donahue







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the
least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years. Has
Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people don't
have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or receive
our JAWS from agencies?





Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@... <mailto:lucky1inct@...>

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~


On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a
lot. With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year. But if
the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year
and it goes up from there. What is the purpose of this?



Stew



On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.



It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.



Is this correct?



I do have one concern, though.



$90 a year doesn t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in
2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the
license by December 31.



Am I missing something?



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



from the fs e store.



https://store.freedomscientific.com/
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From: Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@...>

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Michael:



Where did you get this info?



I m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.



I d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options
if possible.



Thanks for the help!



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael
Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most popular
screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now available for
home users in the United States. Choose between a one-, three-, or
five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your license at the
end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most
up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to
get new versions when they release you have access to all upgrades
released during your license term. Having access to new versions of
JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to
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and sign in your license will be available.

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non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions
of the Windows operating system. Refer



From: Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@...>

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

To: 'jfw list' <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Hello, everyone.



I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can t seem to find a
nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that
apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.



Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do
something to renew it at some point.



Up until now, I ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for $120.



If there now is a more economical way to do this, I d certainly love
to learn about it.



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



























I have a short question? If you already own a product and you are satisfied, why would you want or need to pay for an item based on subscription? What is the point unless you want to keep up with the updates, and or you don't have the money to pay for upgrades every two years. No one has mentioned the price of this annual subscription. Could someone please provide this information?


locked Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

Val Paul
 

Hi Folks!

Don't mean to be mean, but i thought this list was supposed to be about Jaws!

Don't yous think we should quit this subject and get back to what this list is supposed to be about?

Before I go, I just want to wish Peter all the luck in the world, and to say "Good for him!"


Val.

On 04/11/2018 01:58, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi Kelly,

We don't always agree, but here I totally agree with you. So far Peter hasn't said anything which would inspire confidence in me to even want to talk to him. I wonder if there is also a Paul in his team? You know, Peter Paul and Mary *smile*.
All I can say to those who contact him is to be critical regarding what he is trying to sell you.

Regards,
Sieghard



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 4:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

it sounds like Peter is trying to covertly pitch a network marketing scheme. Network marketers are like religious proselytizers. their offer is shady and they act like parasites.

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On 11/3/18, Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@...> wrote:
Yes, I agree, pricing is now within reach of many moore people. I
forget at times that development and on going updates takes qualified
people and that costs dollars.

Dan



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Man, I don’t want to be a Debbie downer, but no, this doesn’t’ sound
sketchy at all…

As far as the cost of blindness related technology.

While prices for some stuff can still be eye watering, the trend has
indeed gone down. Vispero’s new pricing model being the most recent
example of that. Despite Gerald’s reflexive “The Sky is Falling”, I’m
sure the Vispero folks scratch padded their new structure and after
all their number crunching, they must have been satisfied enough to go
forward. Just spitballing, $90 a month as opposed to one shot deals of
$900 with $60 yearly SMAs after that may give them a more solid and
consistent revenue stream. Let folks catch up and give even other
people the chance to dip their toes into the Jaws world and probably
end up retaining a lot of them when it comes time to renew.

Who knows, maybe between NVDA’s improvements and Microsoft’s Narrator
push, this was the competition that was necessary to finally break
down that initial price barrier for acquiring Jaws.

Newer and cheaper Braille displays are on the market, OCR solutions
aren’t only confined to K1000 anymore. I mean, you could get by with
the KNFBReader Windows app that cost $20. ABBY FineReader too. This
isn’t even mentioning the iOS/mobile stuff.

Stuff sure isn’t suddenly cheap, but man, it’s not how it used to be
before where unless you had access to a governmental program, had a
family well off enough to pay for it, maybe pawned off your soul to
get financing to buy a piece of tech or could play with it until you
graduated out of school you were more or less straight out of luck.



Cristóbal



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Kevin
Meyers
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 2:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Peter,



I would like to talk to you about how you and your wife generate
additional income. I would have sent this email directly to you and
couldn’t find it it in the string of emails.



How about sending me a email to kevinmeyers@...
<mailto:kevinmeyers@...> .



Cheers,



Kevin



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 10:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Good morning everyone,



In compliance with one of our parent company's rules
of conduct and a wish not to clutter up the list with unwanted banquet
if you want additional information please contact me privately.
Several folks here have already done that. We'll be meeting with one of them this afternoon.
All the best.



Peter Donahue







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Gimmy some of that special sauce.


On Nov 2, 2018, at 8:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard
<mailto:@Sieghard> > wrote:

Hi Peter,



Could you be just a little bit more specific, what you say is pretty
vague like "Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional income streams"
and "Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago".

What business idea was shared with you? Can you give just some rough
examples of some of these potential income streams? Just curious.

I once read some posts on a different list where somebody was setting
up Go Fund Me campagnes asking for money to buy stuff, hopefully your
"business idea" is di



ferent because to me that is little different from begging. Online
fund raising just as traditional fund raising for a specific purpose
where maybe a family's home burned down or the primary bread winner of
the family was seriously hurt or killed in an accident is fine and I
have often contributed to such fund raisers. But nowadays when you
look at Go Fund Me or other such sites where people beg for money
because they want to go on vacation or because they can't afford
something they want then I certainly wouldn't give them a single
Penny. Once a very very long time ago when I was very young I fell for
one of these get rich schemes with real estate. I happened to hear
this infomercial about this guy who was just itching to share with
everybody how you can get rich in less than a year buy buying real
estate and he showed off all these happy people who bought his
tutorial for $199 which was only $99 if you acted now and on and on.
Of course it came with a full money back guaranty and naiive as I was
I ordered it. It ended up being like a dozen CD's where he went on and
on saying nothing and repeating himself and it was a complete waste of
time and money. I called to get my money back but of course because of
some condition I forgot I didn't qualify, basically guys like that are like the old snakeoil sales people who sell a cure for something and the only thing it cures is their own wallet.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Good morning everyone,



A lot of blind people also choose not to create income
streams to generate the money to self-fund whatever blindness products
and services they need. Mary and I have many ideas for generating
additional income streams. We have heard nothing but excuses from
blind people we tried to reach out to to help them improve their
financial situation. Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us
years ago this past January we were able to buy the latest upgrade of
Jaws for Windows, the Dusbury Braille Translator, and my wife Mary
bought herself a Braille-Edge 40 without seeking help from rehab thank
you



Let me shut down some other rubbish that has come upon
other lists on which we shared these accomplishments. Recall above
that we said we're willing to help others accomplish what we have done
to be better positioned to meet the costs of blindness products and
services only to be told we were braggers, and were called many other names I won't repeat.
Braggers don't reach out to help others improve their financial
situation. I hate to say it but those with such mindsets and who do
nothing but complain about the high cost of blindness products and
services without being willing to do something about it have created
their own problems. While it's true society doesn't always have the
best attitude towards the blind the blind themselves are also
responsible for their lack of financial resources if opportunities are placed in their laps and they fail to get on board.



I also want to commend VFO for it's new pricing and
authorization scheme. They have done something to make it easier for
blind people to buy their products. It's now up to blind individuals
to seek out opportunities to develop the needed income streams so they
can buy whatever VFO product they need without having to turn to rehab
for help. Again Mary and I stand ready to assist anyone wishing to
follow our lead so they can do what we've accomplished. All the best.



Peter Donahue







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the
least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years. Has
Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people don't
have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or receive
our JAWS from agencies?





Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@... <mailto:lucky1inct@...>

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~


On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a
lot. With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year. But if
the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year
and it goes up from there. What is the purpose of this?



Stew



On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.


It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.


Is this correct?


I do have one concern, though.


$90 a year doesn t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in
2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the
license by December 31.


Am I missing something?


Tom Behler



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription


from the fs e store.


https://store.freedomscientific.com/
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21x-usc:https://store.freedomscientific.com/>



From: Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@...>

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription


Michael:


Where did you get this info?


I m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.


I d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options
if possible.


Thanks for the help!


Tom Behler



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael
Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription


Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most popular
screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now available for
home users in the United States. Choose between a one-, three-, or
five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your license at the
end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most
up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to
get new versions when they release you have access to all upgrades
released during your license term. Having access to new versions of
JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to
use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows ,
Microsoft Office , your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison
<https://www.freedomscientific.com/products/blindness/JAWSLicenseCompa
rison>


What's Next?

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email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom
Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage
your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and
activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of
your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same
email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already
registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive
and sign in your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal,
non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions
of the Windows operating system. Refer


From: Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@...>

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

To: 'jfw list' <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription


Hello, everyone.


I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can t seem to find a
nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that
apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.


Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do
something to renew it at some point.


Up until now, I ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for $120.


If there now is a more economical way to do this, I d certainly love
to learn about it.


Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan















Re: How to make jaws read number of items

Bill White
 

Hi, Tom. Do you mean SHIFT TAB or do you mean INSERT TAB? SHIFT just backs up one window in Outlook. For instance, if I am in the folder list, SHIFT TAB just backs up to the submit search button.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 7:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

Sieghard,

Conversations in my Outlook 2013 are turned off and all seems to work as they should except when there are more than 23 messages in the list.

Anyway, it is not a big deal and does not cause me any grief because shift tab gives the correct number.

Tom


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, 4 November 2018 12:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

Hi Tom,

It also depends whether you have conversations turned on in Outlook, I find that this does make it more difficult for Jaws to give an exact message count as in 3 of 46 or whatever.
For example, just now in the email account I use for my list traffic when I press Jaws Key+NumPad 3 it says "Items in view 7, unread items 3", but when I arrow up and down and count there are 6 items and some of them are conversations which if I expand them have more than one message.
Also, if I press Home to go to the top on my Inbox and then up arrow once Jaws reads the following item which seems to be counted as 1 item when Jaws reports 7 items in the status bar:

Group By: Expanded: Date: Today Expanded, 1 of 6

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 5:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

Richard,
Under Outlook 2013 and Jaws 2019, the commands you mentioned give different results on my system.

Pressing insert numpad 3 mentions something about filters which I don't understand.
Pressing insert numpad 8 or insert tab gives me 23 of 23 messages while currently there are 28. Once the number gets to under 23 messages, the readout is correct.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, 4 November 2018 12:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

George, Did you say you are using Jaws 2018?
In my 2018, jaws-key, which is really the insert key, plus numpad 3, gives me just the total number of items in that folder. While, insert plus numpad 8, or the tab key give me the item number and the total number of items.
It is the same in 2019. I just checked with both versions. So, that must be a settings issue somewhere, but I really don't know where that setting might be.

Richard



“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of George Gray
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

All that does is tell me the number of Item and that 1 is selected.
It does not tell me which number the Item is of how many there are...thanks.

On 11/3/18, Mike B. <mike9902@...> wrote:
Hi George,

Will Jaws key + 3 / Page Down, on the numpad work for you?
Take care. Mike. Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In
the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: George Gray
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 4:45 AM
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items


Nope! Not for me in JAWS 2018...

On 11/2/18, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:
For me both Jaws Key+Tab as well as a simple say line, Jaws
Key+NumPad 8, reads the file name, date, file type and whether it's
27 of 52 or whatever.
It does not read it when you simply arrow down or up through the
list of files.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

I went to my "my documents" folder and pressed insert+tab and this is
what

I
heard:
Not Selected 2016Low-Vision Expo images‎8/‎22/‎2018 ‏‎5:29 AM File
folder

1
of 885

Jaws 2019, Windows 10

But, Window-Eyes would have read the index number automatically.

Richard


“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip
under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of George
Gray
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

I also have this situation. It appears that somehow a maximum of 13
is the count in any Folder where I have many additional files.

If I pres Enter + T it reads the file name and whatever it's place in 13.
And, when I press Enter + Tab I hear the same.

Thanks.

On 11/2/18, Ann Byrne <annakb@...> wrote:
In most cases, insert+tab will read the current item, plus how many
of how many.

I hope this works in your case.
At 05:29 AM 11/2/2018, you wrote:
I used to use window eyes. It would read the number if items in a
folder after reading off a file name. Is there a way to do this in
jaws? Right now jaws only reads item names in file explorer not how
many items there afterwards

Thanks

Jim






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Re: How to make jaws read number of items

James Lockwood <lockwoodnd@...>
 

Yes I have my windows maximized and detailed view on. It still doesn’t do it. If I hit shift tab then shift tab again that takes the cursor to the QuickView folder list then back to the actual folder I am in then it will count the number of items. Otherwise it did not do it automatically.

On Nov 3, 2018, at 12:44 PM, netbat66 <netbat66@...> wrote:

i don't know when this happened. grin.
but if i change the file view to the detailed view i get the index numbers i guess you call it.
if i right arrow once then arrow down it will announce the item number like 1 of 100 as i arrow down the list. but it is the last thing announced.
i looked in the speech verbocity and beginner options and announce item numbers was already checked. so i did not make any changes there.

-----Original Message----- From: George Gray
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 4:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

Nope! Not for me in JAWS 2018...

On 11/2/18, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:
For me both Jaws Key+Tab as well as a simple say line, Jaws Key+NumPad 8,
reads the file name, date, file type and whether it's 27 of 52 or whatever.
It does not read it when you simply arrow down or up through the list of
files.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

I went to my "my documents" folder and pressed insert+tab and this is what I
heard:
Not Selected 2016Low-Vision Expo images‎8/‎22/‎2018 ‏‎5:29 AM File folder 1
of 885

Jaws 2019, Windows 10

But, Window-Eyes would have read the index number automatically.

Richard


“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under
pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of George Gray
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

I also have this situation. It appears that somehow a maximum of 13 is the
count in any Folder where I have many additional files.

If I pres Enter + T it reads the file name and whatever it's place in 13.
And, when I press Enter + Tab I hear the same.

Thanks.

On 11/2/18, Ann Byrne <annakb@...> wrote:
In most cases, insert+tab will read the current item, plus how many of
how many.

I hope this works in your case.
At 05:29 AM 11/2/2018, you wrote:
I used to use window eyes. It would read the number if items in a
folder after reading off a file name. Is there a way to do this in
jaws? Right now jaws only reads item names in file explorer not how
many items there afterwards

Thanks

Jim






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GEORGE BURRELL GRAY

Ocean Winds
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REPUBLICA DOMINICANA










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locked Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

James Lockwood <lockwoodnd@...>
 

Dumpster diving? I find that offensive. If you recommend blind people go dumpster diving then you are an idiot. And I don’t care if your offended by that. Deal with it.

On Nov 3, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:

Dumster diving? Is this your sense of humour or are you actually serious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Don't Make Assumptions!

Hello again everyone,

Truthfully we've suggested a number of different ideas to different blind individuals for generating needed income to cover the cost of technologhy. Some of these included dumpster diving,becoming certified Braille transcribers and proofreaders along with other ideas. Before writing this note I sent a message to an old schoolfriend of mine who has written a number of books one of which is in audio format. He said that his audio version sold out and he no longer had copies on CD but could provide them in MP3 format. I suggested making his book available through Audible allowing many others to buy it in an audio format and adding an additional source of passive income to his portfolio. That has as much to do with network marketing as this list! All the best.

Peter Donahue


locked Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

Cristóbal
 

To bring this back to actual assistive technology.
One thing folks could do is to generate money by doing online surveys and participate in other marketing programs.
My wife does this when she's got time and has accumulated money here and there. Surveys, answering emails. That sort of thing.
I farted around with it for a bit, but while accessible depending on the service you use, I was just too busy with other stuff in general to really rack up points to redeem for cash or gift cards, etc.
She also participates in programs like Shopkick, iBotta, Swagbucs and so on. These are on iPhone, but still. https://www.thewaystowealth.com/make-money/money-making-apps/
Last year, when she upgraded from her iPad Air II to the 2017 iPad Pro, we ended up redeeming over $400 in giftcards. A mixture of BestBuy points, Shopkicks and other survey stuff she had stacked. Between that and the Air II that we turned around and sold on NextDoor, I think we actually made money.
While a blind person most likely isn't going to go shopkicking or doing iBotta since it involves scanning stuff in stores, the survey/marketing stuff is doable and if you're not doing anything else and have time to kill, why not? Be aware though, if you make a lot of money via these services, you will get a 1099. If you're on any sort of fixed income program this may affect your ratios since it would be considered income. Something to also keep in mind with any of Peter's "ideas". This sucks since it puts a lot of folks in a catch 22, but debating the fairness of SSI and the restrictions it places on how much you can earn is a totally separate issue.
If nothing else though, you won't have to dumpster dive just to make a few extra bucks. And before anyone gets all uptight. There's absolutely no hshame in or anything wrong with dumpster rummaging. I know a guy who makes decent coin dealing in trash. Metals, scrap, recyclables. But to actually put this forth as a viable option for a blind person to engage in to make money? Come on. Stop. get serious.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

Hi Kelly,

We don't always agree, but here I totally agree with you. So far Peter hasn't said anything which would inspire confidence in me to even want to talk to him. I wonder if there is also a Paul in his team? You know, Peter Paul and Mary *smile*.
All I can say to those who contact him is to be critical regarding what he is trying to sell you.

Regards,
Sieghard



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 4:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

it sounds like Peter is trying to covertly pitch a network marketing scheme. Network marketers are like religious proselytizers. their offer is shady and they act like parasites.

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On 11/3/18, Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@...> wrote:
Yes, I agree, pricing is now within reach of many moore people. I
forget at times that development and on going updates takes qualified
people and that costs dollars.

Dan



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Man, I don’t want to be a Debbie downer, but no, this doesn’t’ sound
sketchy at all…

As far as the cost of blindness related technology.

While prices for some stuff can still be eye watering, the trend has
indeed gone down. Vispero’s new pricing model being the most recent
example of that. Despite Gerald’s reflexive “The Sky is Falling”, I’m
sure the Vispero folks scratch padded their new structure and after
all their number crunching, they must have been satisfied enough to go
forward. Just spitballing, $90 a month as opposed to one shot deals of
$900 with $60 yearly SMAs after that may give them a more solid and
consistent revenue stream. Let folks catch up and give even other
people the chance to dip their toes into the Jaws world and probably
end up retaining a lot of them when it comes time to renew.

Who knows, maybe between NVDA’s improvements and Microsoft’s Narrator
push, this was the competition that was necessary to finally break
down that initial price barrier for acquiring Jaws.

Newer and cheaper Braille displays are on the market, OCR solutions
aren’t only confined to K1000 anymore. I mean, you could get by with
the KNFBReader Windows app that cost $20. ABBY FineReader too. This
isn’t even mentioning the iOS/mobile stuff.

Stuff sure isn’t suddenly cheap, but man, it’s not how it used to be
before where unless you had access to a governmental program, had a
family well off enough to pay for it, maybe pawned off your soul to
get financing to buy a piece of tech or could play with it until you
graduated out of school you were more or less straight out of luck.



Cristóbal



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Kevin
Meyers
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 2:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Peter,



I would like to talk to you about how you and your wife generate
additional income. I would have sent this email directly to you and
couldn’t find it it in the string of emails.



How about sending me a email to kevinmeyers@...
<mailto:kevinmeyers@...> .



Cheers,



Kevin



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 10:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Good morning everyone,



In compliance with one of our parent company's rules
of conduct and a wish not to clutter up the list with unwanted banquet
if you want additional information please contact me privately.
Several folks here have already done that. We'll be meeting with one of them this afternoon.
All the best.



Peter Donahue







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Gimmy some of that special sauce.


On Nov 2, 2018, at 8:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard
<mailto:@Sieghard> > wrote:

Hi Peter,



Could you be just a little bit more specific, what you say is pretty
vague like "Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional income streams"
and "Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago".

What business idea was shared with you? Can you give just some rough
examples of some of these potential income streams? Just curious.

I once read some posts on a different list where somebody was setting
up Go Fund Me campagnes asking for money to buy stuff, hopefully your
"business idea" is di



ferent because to me that is little different from begging. Online
fund raising just as traditional fund raising for a specific purpose
where maybe a family's home burned down or the primary bread winner of
the family was seriously hurt or killed in an accident is fine and I
have often contributed to such fund raisers. But nowadays when you
look at Go Fund Me or other such sites where people beg for money
because they want to go on vacation or because they can't afford
something they want then I certainly wouldn't give them a single
Penny. Once a very very long time ago when I was very young I fell for
one of these get rich schemes with real estate. I happened to hear
this infomercial about this guy who was just itching to share with
everybody how you can get rich in less than a year buy buying real
estate and he showed off all these happy people who bought his
tutorial for $199 which was only $99 if you acted now and on and on.
Of course it came with a full money back guaranty and naiive as I was
I ordered it. It ended up being like a dozen CD's where he went on and
on saying nothing and repeating himself and it was a complete waste of
time and money. I called to get my money back but of course because of
some condition I forgot I didn't qualify, basically guys like that are like the old snakeoil sales people who sell a cure for something and the only thing it cures is their own wallet.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Good morning everyone,



A lot of blind people also choose not to create income
streams to generate the money to self-fund whatever blindness products
and services they need. Mary and I have many ideas for generating
additional income streams. We have heard nothing but excuses from
blind people we tried to reach out to to help them improve their
financial situation. Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us
years ago this past January we were able to buy the latest upgrade of
Jaws for Windows, the Dusbury Braille Translator, and my wife Mary
bought herself a Braille-Edge 40 without seeking help from rehab thank
you



Let me shut down some other rubbish that has come upon
other lists on which we shared these accomplishments. Recall above
that we said we're willing to help others accomplish what we have done
to be better positioned to meet the costs of blindness products and
services only to be told we were braggers, and were called many other names I won't repeat.
Braggers don't reach out to help others improve their financial
situation. I hate to say it but those with such mindsets and who do
nothing but complain about the high cost of blindness products and
services without being willing to do something about it have created
their own problems. While it's true society doesn't always have the
best attitude towards the blind the blind themselves are also
responsible for their lack of financial resources if opportunities are placed in their laps and they fail to get on board.



I also want to commend VFO for it's new pricing and
authorization scheme. They have done something to make it easier for
blind people to buy their products. It's now up to blind individuals
to seek out opportunities to develop the needed income streams so they
can buy whatever VFO product they need without having to turn to rehab
for help. Again Mary and I stand ready to assist anyone wishing to
follow our lead so they can do what we've accomplished. All the best.



Peter Donahue







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the
least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years. Has
Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people don't
have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or receive
our JAWS from agencies?





Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@... <mailto:lucky1inct@...>

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~


On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a
lot. With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year. But if
the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year
and it goes up from there. What is the purpose of this?



Stew



On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.



It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.



Is this correct?



I do have one concern, though.



$90 a year doesn t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in
2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the
license by December 31.



Am I missing something?



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



from the fs e store.



https://store.freedomscientific.com/
<wlmailhtml:%7b9C3B667B-BEAC-4613-97DF-4EF1CEF83958%7dmid://00000009/%
21x-usc:https://store.freedomscientific.com/>




From: Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@...>

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Michael:



Where did you get this info?



I m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.



I d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options
if possible.



Thanks for the help!



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael
Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most popular
screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now available for
home users in the United States. Choose between a one-, three-, or
five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your license at the
end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most
up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to
get new versions when they release you have access to all upgrades
released during your license term. Having access to new versions of
JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to
use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows ,
Microsoft Office , your browser, and other applications you may use.

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rison>


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your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same
email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already
registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive
and sign in your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal,
non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions
of the Windows operating system. Refer



From: Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@...>

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

To: 'jfw list' <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Hello, everyone.



I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can t seem to find a
nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that
apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.



Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do
something to renew it at some point.



Up until now, I ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for $120.



If there now is a more economical way to do this, I d certainly love
to learn about it.



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan















locked Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

Kelly Pierce
 

Dan,

I appreciate your commitment to your faith and the work you do. I did
not have in mind Christians in general or evangelicals. the latter is
occasionally ridiculed for their style of religious teaching. Peter's
evasiveness and persistence reminds me specifically of Jehovah's
Witnesses at the train station. Few can actually describe their faith
accurately and prospects are pursued vigorously.

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On 11/3/18, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:
Hi Kelly,

We don't always agree, but here I totally agree with you. So far Peter
hasn't said anything which would inspire confidence in me to even want to
talk to him. I wonder if there is also a Paul in his team? You know, Peter
Paul and Mary *smile*.
All I can say to those who contact him is to be critical regarding what he
is trying to sell you.

Regards,
Sieghard



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 4:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

it sounds like Peter is trying to covertly pitch a network marketing scheme.
Network marketers are like religious proselytizers. their offer is shady and
they act like parasites.

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On 11/3/18, Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@...> wrote:
Yes, I agree, pricing is now within reach of many moore people. I
forget at times that development and on going updates takes qualified
people and that costs dollars.

Dan



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Man, I don’t want to be a Debbie downer, but no, this doesn’t’ sound
sketchy at all…

As far as the cost of blindness related technology.

While prices for some stuff can still be eye watering, the trend has
indeed gone down. Vispero’s new pricing model being the most recent
example of that. Despite Gerald’s reflexive “The Sky is Falling”, I’m
sure the Vispero folks scratch padded their new structure and after
all their number crunching, they must have been satisfied enough to go
forward. Just spitballing, $90 a month as opposed to one shot deals of
$900 with $60 yearly SMAs after that may give them a more solid and
consistent revenue stream. Let folks catch up and give even other
people the chance to dip their toes into the Jaws world and probably
end up retaining a lot of them when it comes time to renew.

Who knows, maybe between NVDA’s improvements and Microsoft’s Narrator
push, this was the competition that was necessary to finally break
down that initial price barrier for acquiring Jaws.

Newer and cheaper Braille displays are on the market, OCR solutions
aren’t only confined to K1000 anymore. I mean, you could get by with
the KNFBReader Windows app that cost $20. ABBY FineReader too. This
isn’t even mentioning the iOS/mobile stuff.

Stuff sure isn’t suddenly cheap, but man, it’s not how it used to be
before where unless you had access to a governmental program, had a
family well off enough to pay for it, maybe pawned off your soul to
get financing to buy a piece of tech or could play with it until you
graduated out of school you were more or less straight out of luck.



Cristóbal



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Kevin
Meyers
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 2:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Peter,



I would like to talk to you about how you and your wife generate
additional income. I would have sent this email directly to you and
couldn’t find it it in the string of emails.



How about sending me a email to kevinmeyers@...
<mailto:kevinmeyers@...> .



Cheers,



Kevin



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 10:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Good morning everyone,



In compliance with one of our parent company's rules
of conduct and a wish not to clutter up the list with unwanted banquet
if you want additional information please contact me privately.
Several folks here have already done that. We'll be meeting with one of
them this afternoon.
All the best.



Peter Donahue







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Gimmy some of that special sauce.


On Nov 2, 2018, at 8:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard
<mailto:@Sieghard> > wrote:

Hi Peter,



Could you be just a little bit more specific, what you say is pretty
vague like "Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional income
streams"
and "Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago".

What business idea was shared with you? Can you give just some rough
examples of some of these potential income streams? Just curious.

I once read some posts on a different list where somebody was setting
up Go Fund Me campagnes asking for money to buy stuff, hopefully your
"business idea" is di



ferent because to me that is little different from begging. Online
fund raising just as traditional fund raising for a specific purpose
where maybe a family's home burned down or the primary bread winner of
the family was seriously hurt or killed in an accident is fine and I
have often contributed to such fund raisers. But nowadays when you
look at Go Fund Me or other such sites where people beg for money
because they want to go on vacation or because they can't afford
something they want then I certainly wouldn't give them a single
Penny. Once a very very long time ago when I was very young I fell for
one of these get rich schemes with real estate. I happened to hear
this infomercial about this guy who was just itching to share with
everybody how you can get rich in less than a year buy buying real
estate and he showed off all these happy people who bought his
tutorial for $199 which was only $99 if you acted now and on and on.
Of course it came with a full money back guaranty and naiive as I was
I ordered it. It ended up being like a dozen CD's where he went on and
on saying nothing and repeating himself and it was a complete waste of
time and money. I called to get my money back but of course because of
some condition I forgot I didn't qualify, basically guys like that are
like the old snakeoil sales people who sell a cure for something and the
only thing it cures is their own wallet.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Good morning everyone,



A lot of blind people also choose not to create income
streams to generate the money to self-fund whatever blindness products
and services they need. Mary and I have many ideas for generating
additional income streams. We have heard nothing but excuses from
blind people we tried to reach out to to help them improve their
financial situation. Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us
years ago this past January we were able to buy the latest upgrade of
Jaws for Windows, the Dusbury Braille Translator, and my wife Mary
bought herself a Braille-Edge 40 without seeking help from rehab thank
you



Let me shut down some other rubbish that has come upon
other lists on which we shared these accomplishments. Recall above
that we said we're willing to help others accomplish what we have done
to be better positioned to meet the costs of blindness products and
services only to be told we were braggers, and were called many other
names I won't repeat.
Braggers don't reach out to help others improve their financial
situation. I hate to say it but those with such mindsets and who do
nothing but complain about the high cost of blindness products and
services without being willing to do something about it have created
their own problems. While it's true society doesn't always have the
best attitude towards the blind the blind themselves are also
responsible for their lack of financial resources if opportunities are
placed in their laps and they fail to get on board.



I also want to commend VFO for it's new pricing and
authorization scheme. They have done something to make it easier for
blind people to buy their products. It's now up to blind individuals
to seek out opportunities to develop the needed income streams so they
can buy whatever VFO product they need without having to turn to rehab
for help. Again Mary and I stand ready to assist anyone wishing to
follow our lead so they can do what we've accomplished. All the best.



Peter Donahue







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the
least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years. Has
Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people don't
have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or receive
our JAWS from agencies?





Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@... <mailto:lucky1inct@...>

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~


On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a
lot. With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year. But if
the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year
and it goes up from there. What is the purpose of this?



Stew



On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.



It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.



Is this correct?



I do have one concern, though.



$90 a year doesn t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in
2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the
license by December 31.



Am I missing something?



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



from the fs e store.



https://store.freedomscientific.com/
<wlmailhtml:%7b9C3B667B-BEAC-4613-97DF-4EF1CEF83958%7dmid://00000009/%
21x-usc:https://store.freedomscientific.com/>




From: Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@...>

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Michael:



Where did you get this info?



I m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.



I d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options
if possible.



Thanks for the help!



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael
Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



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From: Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@...>

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

To: 'jfw list' <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Hello, everyone.



I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can t seem to find a
nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that
apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.



Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do
something to renew it at some point.



Up until now, I ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for
$120.



If there now is a more economical way to do this, I d certainly love
to learn about it.



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan




















Re: Page Breaks in MS Word #advisory #cal-notice #excel

Chris Hill
 

Yes, using the product number is supposed to work.  My guess is something is going wrong with margins.  They should be fixed right in the label definition, but I've seen it get messed up before.  I've never found a way to fix it either.   It might be worth checking your labels to see if any other numbers would work and trying one of those.




On 11/3/2018 17:10, Marty Hutchings wrote:
I am trying to print mailing labels using the Labels creator in MS Word from Office 2007.  I have set up the template using the product number.  The labels are supposed to have 10 rows and 3 columns, but I keep getting 9 rows with the 10th row appearing on page 2.  I thought that by using the product number, the formatting would be done automatically.  How do I get rid of the page break, so all of the labels appear on the same page?  I have even tried to adjust the margins, but still no joy.


Re: How to make jaws read number of items

Tom <tomcat509@...>
 

Sieghard,

Conversations in my Outlook 2013 are turned off and all seems to work as they should except when there are more than 23 messages in the list.

Anyway, it is not a big deal and does not cause me any grief because shift tab gives the correct number.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, 4 November 2018 12:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

Hi Tom,

It also depends whether you have conversations turned on in Outlook, I find that this does make it more difficult for Jaws to give an exact message count as in 3 of 46 or whatever.
For example, just now in the email account I use for my list traffic when I press Jaws Key+NumPad 3 it says "Items in view 7, unread items 3", but when I arrow up and down and count there are 6 items and some of them are conversations which if I expand them have more than one message.
Also, if I press Home to go to the top on my Inbox and then up arrow once Jaws reads the following item which seems to be counted as 1 item when Jaws reports 7 items in the status bar:

Group By: Expanded: Date: Today Expanded, 1 of 6

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 5:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

Richard,
Under Outlook 2013 and Jaws 2019, the commands you mentioned give different results on my system.

Pressing insert numpad 3 mentions something about filters which I don't understand.
Pressing insert numpad 8 or insert tab gives me 23 of 23 messages while currently there are 28. Once the number gets to under 23 messages, the readout is correct.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, 4 November 2018 12:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

George, Did you say you are using Jaws 2018?
In my 2018, jaws-key, which is really the insert key, plus numpad 3, gives me just the total number of items in that folder. While, insert plus numpad 8, or the tab key give me the item number and the total number of items.
It is the same in 2019. I just checked with both versions. So, that must be a settings issue somewhere, but I really don't know where that setting might be.

Richard



“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of George Gray
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

All that does is tell me the number of Item and that 1 is selected.
It does not tell me which number the Item is of how many there are...thanks.

On 11/3/18, Mike B. <mike9902@...> wrote:
Hi George,

Will Jaws key + 3 / Page Down, on the numpad work for you?
Take care. Mike. Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In
the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: George Gray
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 4:45 AM
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items


Nope! Not for me in JAWS 2018...

On 11/2/18, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:
For me both Jaws Key+Tab as well as a simple say line, Jaws
Key+NumPad 8, reads the file name, date, file type and whether it's
27 of 52 or whatever.
It does not read it when you simply arrow down or up through the
list of files.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

I went to my "my documents" folder and pressed insert+tab and this is
what

I
heard:
Not Selected 2016Low-Vision Expo images‎8/‎22/‎2018 ‏‎5:29 AM File
folder

1
of 885

Jaws 2019, Windows 10

But, Window-Eyes would have read the index number automatically.

Richard


“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip
under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of George
Gray
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

I also have this situation. It appears that somehow a maximum of 13
is the count in any Folder where I have many additional files.

If I pres Enter + T it reads the file name and whatever it's place in 13.
And, when I press Enter + Tab I hear the same.

Thanks.

On 11/2/18, Ann Byrne <annakb@...> wrote:
In most cases, insert+tab will read the current item, plus how many
of how many.

I hope this works in your case.
At 05:29 AM 11/2/2018, you wrote:
I used to use window eyes. It would read the number if items in a
folder after reading off a file name. Is there a way to do this in
jaws? Right now jaws only reads item names in file explorer not how
many items there afterwards

Thanks

Jim






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Re: How to make jaws read number of items

 

Hi Tom,

It also depends whether you have conversations turned on in Outlook, I find that this does make it more difficult for Jaws to give an exact message count as in 3 of 46 or whatever.
For example, just now in the email account I use for my list traffic when I press Jaws Key+NumPad 3 it says "Items in view 7, unread items 3", but when I arrow up and down and count there are 6 items and some of them are conversations which if I expand them have more than one message.
Also, if I press Home to go to the top on my Inbox and then up arrow once Jaws reads the following item which seems to be counted as 1 item when Jaws reports 7 items in the status bar:

Group By: Expanded: Date: Today Expanded, 1 of 6

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 5:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

Richard,
Under Outlook 2013 and Jaws 2019, the commands you mentioned give different results on my system.

Pressing insert numpad 3 mentions something about filters which I don't understand.
Pressing insert numpad 8 or insert tab gives me 23 of 23 messages while currently there are 28. Once the number gets to under 23 messages, the readout is correct.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, 4 November 2018 12:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

George, Did you say you are using Jaws 2018?
In my 2018, jaws-key, which is really the insert key, plus numpad 3, gives me just the total number of items in that folder. While, insert plus numpad 8, or the tab key give me the item number and the total number of items.
It is the same in 2019. I just checked with both versions. So, that must be a settings issue somewhere, but I really don't know where that setting might be.

Richard



“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of George Gray
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

All that does is tell me the number of Item and that 1 is selected.
It does not tell me which number the Item is of how many there are...thanks.

On 11/3/18, Mike B. <mike9902@...> wrote:
Hi George,

Will Jaws key + 3 / Page Down, on the numpad work for you?
Take care. Mike. Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In
the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: George Gray
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 4:45 AM
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items


Nope! Not for me in JAWS 2018...

On 11/2/18, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:
For me both Jaws Key+Tab as well as a simple say line, Jaws
Key+NumPad 8, reads the file name, date, file type and whether it's
27 of 52 or whatever.
It does not read it when you simply arrow down or up through the
list of files.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

I went to my "my documents" folder and pressed insert+tab and this is
what

I
heard:
Not Selected 2016Low-Vision Expo images‎8/‎22/‎2018 ‏‎5:29 AM File
folder

1
of 885

Jaws 2019, Windows 10

But, Window-Eyes would have read the index number automatically.

Richard


“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip
under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of George
Gray
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

I also have this situation. It appears that somehow a maximum of 13
is the count in any Folder where I have many additional files.

If I pres Enter + T it reads the file name and whatever it's place in 13.
And, when I press Enter + Tab I hear the same.

Thanks.

On 11/2/18, Ann Byrne <annakb@...> wrote:
In most cases, insert+tab will read the current item, plus how many
of how many.

I hope this works in your case.
At 05:29 AM 11/2/2018, you wrote:
I used to use window eyes. It would read the number if items in a
folder after reading off a file name. Is there a way to do this in
jaws? Right now jaws only reads item names in file explorer not how
many items there afterwards

Thanks

Jim






--
HAVE A MAGNIFICENT DAY

GEORGE BURRELL GRAY

Ocean Winds
Cabarete/Sosua
REPUBLICA DOMINICANA










--
HAVE A MAGNIFICENT DAY

GEORGE BURRELL GRAY

Ocean Winds
Cabarete/Sosua
REPUBLICA DOMINICANA






--
HAVE A MAGNIFICENT DAY

GEORGE BURRELL GRAY

Ocean Winds
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REPUBLICA DOMINICANA


locked Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

 

Dumster diving? Is this your sense of humour or are you actually serious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Don't Make Assumptions!

Hello again everyone,

Truthfully we've suggested a number of different ideas to different blind individuals for generating needed income to cover the cost of technologhy. Some of these included dumpster diving,becoming certified Braille transcribers and proofreaders along with other ideas. Before writing this note I sent a message to an old schoolfriend of mine who has written a number of books one of which is in audio format. He said that his audio version sold out and he no longer had copies on CD but could provide them in MP3 format. I suggested making his book available through Audible allowing many others to buy it in an audio format and adding an additional source of passive income to his portfolio. That has as much to do with network marketing as this list! All the best.

Peter Donahue


locked Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

 

Hi Kelly,

We don't always agree, but here I totally agree with you. So far Peter hasn't said anything which would inspire confidence in me to even want to talk to him. I wonder if there is also a Paul in his team? You know, Peter Paul and Mary *smile*.
All I can say to those who contact him is to be critical regarding what he is trying to sell you.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 4:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

it sounds like Peter is trying to covertly pitch a network marketing scheme. Network marketers are like religious proselytizers. their offer is shady and they act like parasites.

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On 11/3/18, Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@...> wrote:
Yes, I agree, pricing is now within reach of many moore people. I
forget at times that development and on going updates takes qualified
people and that costs dollars.

Dan



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Man, I don’t want to be a Debbie downer, but no, this doesn’t’ sound
sketchy at all…

As far as the cost of blindness related technology.

While prices for some stuff can still be eye watering, the trend has
indeed gone down. Vispero’s new pricing model being the most recent
example of that. Despite Gerald’s reflexive “The Sky is Falling”, I’m
sure the Vispero folks scratch padded their new structure and after
all their number crunching, they must have been satisfied enough to go
forward. Just spitballing, $90 a month as opposed to one shot deals of
$900 with $60 yearly SMAs after that may give them a more solid and
consistent revenue stream. Let folks catch up and give even other
people the chance to dip their toes into the Jaws world and probably
end up retaining a lot of them when it comes time to renew.

Who knows, maybe between NVDA’s improvements and Microsoft’s Narrator
push, this was the competition that was necessary to finally break
down that initial price barrier for acquiring Jaws.

Newer and cheaper Braille displays are on the market, OCR solutions
aren’t only confined to K1000 anymore. I mean, you could get by with
the KNFBReader Windows app that cost $20. ABBY FineReader too. This
isn’t even mentioning the iOS/mobile stuff.

Stuff sure isn’t suddenly cheap, but man, it’s not how it used to be
before where unless you had access to a governmental program, had a
family well off enough to pay for it, maybe pawned off your soul to
get financing to buy a piece of tech or could play with it until you
graduated out of school you were more or less straight out of luck.



Cristóbal



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Kevin
Meyers
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 2:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Peter,



I would like to talk to you about how you and your wife generate
additional income. I would have sent this email directly to you and
couldn’t find it it in the string of emails.



How about sending me a email to kevinmeyers@...
<mailto:kevinmeyers@...> .



Cheers,



Kevin



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 10:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Good morning everyone,



In compliance with one of our parent company's rules
of conduct and a wish not to clutter up the list with unwanted banquet
if you want additional information please contact me privately.
Several folks here have already done that. We'll be meeting with one of them this afternoon.
All the best.



Peter Donahue







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Gimmy some of that special sauce.


On Nov 2, 2018, at 8:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard
<mailto:@Sieghard> > wrote:

Hi Peter,



Could you be just a little bit more specific, what you say is pretty
vague like "Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional income streams"
and "Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago".

What business idea was shared with you? Can you give just some rough
examples of some of these potential income streams? Just curious.

I once read some posts on a different list where somebody was setting
up Go Fund Me campagnes asking for money to buy stuff, hopefully your
"business idea" is di



ferent because to me that is little different from begging. Online
fund raising just as traditional fund raising for a specific purpose
where maybe a family's home burned down or the primary bread winner of
the family was seriously hurt or killed in an accident is fine and I
have often contributed to such fund raisers. But nowadays when you
look at Go Fund Me or other such sites where people beg for money
because they want to go on vacation or because they can't afford
something they want then I certainly wouldn't give them a single
Penny. Once a very very long time ago when I was very young I fell for
one of these get rich schemes with real estate. I happened to hear
this infomercial about this guy who was just itching to share with
everybody how you can get rich in less than a year buy buying real
estate and he showed off all these happy people who bought his
tutorial for $199 which was only $99 if you acted now and on and on.
Of course it came with a full money back guaranty and naiive as I was
I ordered it. It ended up being like a dozen CD's where he went on and
on saying nothing and repeating himself and it was a complete waste of
time and money. I called to get my money back but of course because of
some condition I forgot I didn't qualify, basically guys like that are like the old snakeoil sales people who sell a cure for something and the only thing it cures is their own wallet.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Good morning everyone,



A lot of blind people also choose not to create income
streams to generate the money to self-fund whatever blindness products
and services they need. Mary and I have many ideas for generating
additional income streams. We have heard nothing but excuses from
blind people we tried to reach out to to help them improve their
financial situation. Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us
years ago this past January we were able to buy the latest upgrade of
Jaws for Windows, the Dusbury Braille Translator, and my wife Mary
bought herself a Braille-Edge 40 without seeking help from rehab thank
you



Let me shut down some other rubbish that has come upon
other lists on which we shared these accomplishments. Recall above
that we said we're willing to help others accomplish what we have done
to be better positioned to meet the costs of blindness products and
services only to be told we were braggers, and were called many other names I won't repeat.
Braggers don't reach out to help others improve their financial
situation. I hate to say it but those with such mindsets and who do
nothing but complain about the high cost of blindness products and
services without being willing to do something about it have created
their own problems. While it's true society doesn't always have the
best attitude towards the blind the blind themselves are also
responsible for their lack of financial resources if opportunities are placed in their laps and they fail to get on board.



I also want to commend VFO for it's new pricing and
authorization scheme. They have done something to make it easier for
blind people to buy their products. It's now up to blind individuals
to seek out opportunities to develop the needed income streams so they
can buy whatever VFO product they need without having to turn to rehab
for help. Again Mary and I stand ready to assist anyone wishing to
follow our lead so they can do what we've accomplished. All the best.



Peter Donahue







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the
least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years. Has
Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people don't
have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or receive
our JAWS from agencies?





Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@... <mailto:lucky1inct@...>

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~


On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a
lot. With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year. But if
the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year
and it goes up from there. What is the purpose of this?



Stew



On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.



It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.



Is this correct?



I do have one concern, though.



$90 a year doesn t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in
2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the
license by December 31.



Am I missing something?



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



from the fs e store.



https://store.freedomscientific.com/
<wlmailhtml:%7b9C3B667B-BEAC-4613-97DF-4EF1CEF83958%7dmid://00000009/%
21x-usc:https://store.freedomscientific.com/>




From: Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@...>

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Michael:



Where did you get this info?



I m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.



I d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options
if possible.



Thanks for the help!



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael
Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



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From: Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@...>

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

To: 'jfw list' <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Hello, everyone.



I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can t seem to find a
nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that
apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.



Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do
something to renew it at some point.



Up until now, I ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for $120.



If there now is a more economical way to do this, I d certainly love
to learn about it.



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan















Re: 6

 

I have never seen Outlook put messages just into the Outbox folder if you press Send by default.
It would help to know which version of Office Michael is using and if he just has his Gmail account set up or if this is email under a different account.
Marty mentioned that this happens a lot with Office 2007 which would explain a lot, I am almost certain that with Office 2013 or even better Office 2016 this would not happen especially not with a Gmail account which is properly set up as an IMAP account. There is no more need to specify incoming and outgoing servers or ports and all that, but in older versions of Office and for POP accounts this is a problem.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 1:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: 6

I used to have Outlook set this way, so I could batch my emails to help the slow Internet I had at the time. I believe the solution was to first press alt + s to "send it to the outbox, then control + m would trigger a complete Outlook refresh, including sending out the contents of the outbox. You can also set Outlook to send out messages without need for the extra control m command.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 12:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: 6

sounds like instead of Outlook sending the emails out after activating
the send button, it is sending the emails to the outgoing folder first,
effectively giving an opportunity to not send one or make changes before
their sent on their way. . since I don't use Outlook, my suggestion is
that there may very well be a setting to disable that behavior.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Richard Turner [mailto:richardturner42@...]
Sent: Saturday, Nov 3, 2018 1:45 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: 6

Try hitting alt+s when you are ready to send.

Richard

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip
under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Michael Munn
*Sent:* Saturday, November 3, 2018 10:43 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* 6

Hi all, this is Michael and I have a question about using outlook to
send a message.

how can I send a message completely?

Every time when I'm done typing a message and press the send button it
won't send.

When I close Outlook the program ask me do I want to send this message
or unsend.

How ca n I send a message completely?

I was a Window-eyes user for a year.

I also new to Office.

Please respond if you all get any chance.

Best regards

Michael Munn


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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ward Dudley
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 5:01 PM
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Peter,

 

I am interested in learning what you did.  How do we contact you privately? 

 

Ward

 

On 11/3/2018 4:47 PM, Kevin Meyers wrote:

Peter,

 

I would like to talk to you about how you and your wife generate additional income. I would have sent this email directly to you and couldn’t find it it in the string of emails.

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 10:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

 

Good morning everyone,

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

 

Gimmy some of that special sauce. 


On Nov 2, 2018, at 8:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

Hi Peter,

 

Could you be just a little bit more specific, what you say is pretty vague like "Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional income streams" and "Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago".

What business idea was shared with you? Can you give just some rough examples of some of these potential income streams? Just curious.

I once read some posts on a different list where somebody was setting up Go Fund Me campagnes asking for money to buy stuff, hopefully your "business idea" is di

 

ferent because to me that is little different from begging. Online fund raising just as traditional fund raising for a specific purpose where maybe a family's home burned down or the primary bread winner of the family was seriously hurt or killed in an accident  is fine and I have often contributed to such fund raisers. But nowadays when you  look at Go Fund Me or other such sites where people beg for money because they want to go on vacation or because they can't afford something they want then I certainly wouldn't give them a single Penny. Once a very very long time ago when I was very young I fell for one of these get rich schemes with real estate. I happened to hear this infomercial about this guy who was just itching to share with everybody how you can get rich in less than a year buy buying real estate and he showed off all these happy people who bought his tutorial for $199 which was only $99 if you acted now and on and on. Of course it came with a full money back guaranty and naiive as I was I ordered it. It ended up being like a dozen CD's where he went on and on saying nothing and repeating himself and it was a complete waste of time and money. I called to get my money back but of course because of some condition I forgot I didn't qualify, basically guys like that are like the old snakeoil sales people who sell a cure for something and the only thing it cures is their own wallet.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

 

Good morning everyone,

 

                A lot of blind people also choose not to create income streams to generate the money to self-fund whatever blindness products and services they need. Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional income streams. We have heard nothing but excuses from blind people we tried to reach out to to help them improve their financial situation. Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago this past January we were able to buy the latest upgrade of Jaws for Windows, the Dusbury Braille Translator, and my wife Mary bought herself a Braille-Edge 40 without seeking help from rehab thank you

 

                Let me shut down some other rubbish that has come upon other lists on which we shared these accomplishments. Recall above that we said we're willing to help others accomplish what we have done to be better positioned to meet the costs of blindness products and services only to be told we were braggers, and were called many other names I won't repeat. Braggers don't reach out to help others improve their financial situation. I hate to say it but those with such mindsets and who do nothing but complain about the high cost of blindness products and services without being willing to do something about it have created their own problems. While it's true society doesn't always have the best attitude towards the blind the blind themselves are also responsible for their lack of financial resources if opportunities are placed in their laps and they fail to get on board.

 

                I also want to commend VFO for it's new pricing and authorization scheme. They have done something to make it easier for blind people to buy their products. It's now up to blind individuals to seek out opportunities to develop the needed income streams so they can buy whatever VFO product they need without having to turn to rehab for help. Again Mary and I stand ready to assist anyone wishing to follow our lead so they can do what we've accomplished. All the best.

 

Peter Donahue

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

 

It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years.  Has Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people don't have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or receive our JAWS from agencies?

 

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a lot. With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year. But if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year and it goes up from there. What is the purpose of this?

 

Stew

 

On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.

It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.

Is this correct?

I do have one concern, though.

$90 a year doesnt seem to be that great of a deal, since back in 2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the license by December 31.

Am I missing something?

Tom Behler

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

from the fs e store.

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Michael:

Where did you get this info?

Im asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.

Id like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options if possible.

Thanks for the help!

Tom Behler

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now available for home users in the United States. Choose between a one-, three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to get new versions when they release you have access to all upgrades released during your license term. Having access to new versions of JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows, Microsoft Office, your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison

What's Next?

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive and sign in your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal, non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Hello, everyone.

I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but cant seem to find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.

Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do something to renew it at some point.

Up until now, Ive renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for $120.

If there now is a more economical way to do this, Id certainly love to learn about it.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

 


Re: How to make jaws read number of items

Richard Turner
 

Tom,
I thought the original question was about files in folders as in Windows Explorer.
IN Outlook 2016 for me, insert+numpad3 gives me the total number of items in view, how many are unread etc.
I don't trust the accuracy as I'm not sure Outlook is really providing that info correctly, but I don't know.
Frankly, if I want to know how many items are in my inbox, I will check on my iPhone, where it is rather easy.

HTH,
Richard



“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 5:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

Richard,
Under Outlook 2013 and Jaws 2019, the commands you mentioned give different results on my system.

Pressing insert numpad 3 mentions something about filters which I don't understand.
Pressing insert numpad 8 or insert tab gives me 23 of 23 messages while currently there are 28. Once the number gets to under 23 messages, the readout is correct.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, 4 November 2018 12:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

George, Did you say you are using Jaws 2018?
In my 2018, jaws-key, which is really the insert key, plus numpad 3, gives me just the total number of items in that folder. While, insert plus numpad 8, or the tab key give me the item number and the total number of items.
It is the same in 2019. I just checked with both versions. So, that must be a settings issue somewhere, but I really don't know where that setting might be.

Richard



“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of George Gray
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

All that does is tell me the number of Item and that 1 is selected.
It does not tell me which number the Item is of how many there are...thanks.

On 11/3/18, Mike B. <mike9902@...> wrote:
Hi George,

Will Jaws key + 3 / Page Down, on the numpad work for you?
Take care. Mike. Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In
the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: George Gray
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 4:45 AM
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items


Nope! Not for me in JAWS 2018...

On 11/2/18, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:
For me both Jaws Key+Tab as well as a simple say line, Jaws
Key+NumPad 8, reads the file name, date, file type and whether it's
27 of 52 or whatever.
It does not read it when you simply arrow down or up through the
list of files.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

I went to my "my documents" folder and pressed insert+tab and this is
what

I
heard:
Not Selected 2016Low-Vision Expo images‎8/‎22/‎2018 ‏‎5:29 AM File
folder

1
of 885

Jaws 2019, Windows 10

But, Window-Eyes would have read the index number automatically.

Richard


“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip
under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of George
Gray
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to make jaws read number of items

I also have this situation. It appears that somehow a maximum of 13
is the count in any Folder where I have many additional files.

If I pres Enter + T it reads the file name and whatever it's place in 13.
And, when I press Enter + Tab I hear the same.

Thanks.

On 11/2/18, Ann Byrne <annakb@...> wrote:
In most cases, insert+tab will read the current item, plus how many
of how many.

I hope this works in your case.
At 05:29 AM 11/2/2018, you wrote:
I used to use window eyes. It would read the number if items in a
folder after reading off a file name. Is there a way to do this in
jaws? Right now jaws only reads item names in file explorer not how
many items there afterwards

Thanks

Jim






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