Well, the owner/moderator of that list just spanked me over this issue and warned me to knock it off.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 12:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

That list is very tightly monitored indeed.  I'm surprised I haven't
been spanked as of yet.  Nothing bad is allowed to be said of Vispero,
whatsoever, so if you want to join, watch what you say.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~

On 11/2/2018 12:44 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

The list I am talking about is the JAWS Users list, which he apparently recognizes as the "official" JAWS list and to which he is a frequent contributor.  This list has as much, if not more, traffic than the JFW list, and is more tightly monitored. He has never posted on the JFW list, as far as I am aware.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Mario
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

and what list is that? I only know of this list and another one that I
can't recall what it is. is there much traffic on the list Eric posted too?
-------- Original Message --------
From: Gerald Levy [mailto:bwaylimited@...]
Sent: Friday, Nov 2, 2018 12:16 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription


According to a message Eric Damery just posted on the other JAWS list,
the management of Vispero is very optimistic about its future prospect
and he believes that the company  will be around for a long time. Of
course, this is somewhat self-serving, so you can take his reassurances
with a grain of salt.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 12:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

I think you are wrong, and the SMA will go the way of the dinosaur, and
very soon, too.  It seems that Vispero has now become a money-making
operation, rather than what Henter and Joyce had in mind, which was to
help blind people with accessibility as inexpensively as possible.  They
were blind and understood that most blind people don't have a lot of
money, a concept lost on the new owners of the company.  To me, an old
lady using JAWS for a very long time, JAWS still is the best screen
reader out there. However, as the price increases, it becomes more and
more cost prohibitive, to the point where I may have to give it up for
something in the open source market, something I'm going to more and
more.  I'm wondering if Vispero realizes, or cares,  that they are
losing more and more of their long-time customers to their
competition--Narrator, NVDA, etc.  In my humble opinion, their new
pricing structure is pushing away, rather than attracting customers.



Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~

On 11/2/2018 9:24 AM, cecropia64 wrote:
Absolutely! My thoughts exactly.  But if you only plan on either
trying Jaws for a year or don't plan on keeping up on all versions
then the license program seems to be a good alternative.


On 11/2/2018 9:21 AM, Mario wrote:
in addition, I don't think that the SMA scheme will ever be replaced,
and I sincerely hope it never does. there is no harm in keeping the SMA
scheme for those who keep their use of JAWS versions up to date.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Alan Robbins via Groups.Io [mailto:alan1057=me.com@groups.io]
Sent: Friday, Nov 2, 2018 6:45 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

   From what I have read, as well as listened to from Freedom scientific
staff and podcast, it would cost you $90 and it would be that recurring
charge each year to keep a current license to have jaws installed and up
to three computers.

On Nov 2, 2018, at 6:23 AM, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@...
<mailto:bwaylimited@...>> wrote:

I’m confused.    Suppose I wanted to upgrade from JAWS 16, which is
the version I am currently using, to JAWS 2019.  Are you saying that
under the new licensing arrangement  I would only have to pay $90 for
the upgrade, versus about $480 if I went the SMA route?  Or would I
have to pay $270 to cover JAWS versions 17,18, and 2018, on top of the
$90 for JAWS 2019? Please clarify.
Gerald
*From:* Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:@Sieghard>
*Sent:* Thursday, November 01, 2018 11:12 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

I think this is also an offer which would make it much less expensive
for somebody who didn’t keep their SMA up-to-date to get current on
Jaws. If, for example, somebody was still on Jaws 16 or even earlier
they would have to pay several hundreds of Dollars to get current and
then another $120 for the SMA. This way they can just subscribe for
$90 a year and they are done. What I haven’t figured out yet is if
this also applies for new Jaws users, e.g. if you don’t have Jaws at
all, can you just pay $90 a year and download/use the latest version
of Jaws and as long as you keep you rsubscription active then you can
continue to do so? If so then this really is a good option for new
Jaws users because instead of paying $900 or whatever Jaws costs + the
cost of future SMA’s they would djust pay $90 a year. After 10 years
you would have paid $900 which is I believe what Jaws Home costs, if
you had bought it for $900 and then you would buy 5 SMA’s at $120/each
you would have paid $1,500 after 10 years so if you are a new Jaws
user then $90 a year really is a very reasonable price and who knows
what happens in 5 or 6 let alpong 8 or 10 years, maybe Jaws won’t
exist any more as such, maybe Microsoft buys them out and it gets
merged with Narrator into Microsoft and becomes free, I certainly
wouldn’t bet on Jaws being the leading screenreader in 10 years any
more.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Chris
Hill
*Sent:* Thursday, November 1, 2018 7:37 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

It sounds like it would be a bit more flexible since you don't have to
fight with the activation as much if you use a lot of different
computers, but otherwise it looks like a way to generate more
revenue.  I just renewed my SMa, they will have a little while longer
to wait for my extra revenue.

CH

On 11/1/2018 20:53, cecropia64 wrote:

      seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by
      a lot.� With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year.�
      But if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety
      dollars a year and it goes up from there.� What is the purpose
      of this?�

      Stew

      On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

          Thanks, Michael.

          �

          It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA
          system.

          �

          Is this correct?

          �

          I do have one concern, though.

          �

          $90 a year doesn�t seem to be that great of a deal, since
          back in 2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I
          purchased the license by December 31.

          �

          *Am I missing something?*

          *�*

          *Tom Behler*

          *�*

          *�*

          *From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
          mailto:main@jfw.groups.io *On Behalf Of *Michael Amaro
          *Sent:* Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
          *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
          *Subject:* Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home
Subscription

          �

          from the fs e store.

          �

          https://store.freedomscientific.com/
<wlmailhtml:%7b9C3B667B-BEAC-4613-97DF-4EF1CEF83958%7dmid://00000009/%21x-usc:https://store.freedomscientific.com/>



          �

          *From:* Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@...>

          *Sent:* Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

          *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

          *Subject:* Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home
Subscription

          �

          Michael:

          �

          Where did you get this info?

          �

          I�m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid
          sentence.

          �

          I�d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws
          home options if possible.

          �

          Thanks for the help!

          �

          Tom Behler

          �

          �

          *From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
          <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of
          *Michael Amaro
          *Sent:* Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
          *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
          *Subject:* Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home
Subscription

          �

          Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most
          popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now
          available for home users in the United States. *Choose between
          a one-, three-, or five-year option*, with the ability to
          easily renew your license at the end of your initial term.

          With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most
          up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an
          upgrade to get new versions when they release � you have
          access to all upgrades released during your license term.
          Having access to new versions of JAWS as they become available
          is essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with
          the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows�, Microsoft
          Office�, your browser, and other applications you may use.

          *JAWS License Comparison
<https://www.freedomscientific.com/products/blindness/JAWSLicenseComparison>*



          *What's Next?*

          After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will
          receive an email with instructions and a link to register on
          the Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to
          access and manage your software licenses, and provides a
          simple way to install and activate your software. Your license
          can be installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the
          portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer
          and put it on a new one later.

          When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the
          same email address you used to purchase your license; if you
          have already registered from previous purchases, simply select
          the link you receive and sign in � your license will be
          available.

          JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal,
          non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported
          versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

          �

          *From:* Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@...>

          *Sent:* Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

          *To:* 'jfw list' <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

          *Subject:* Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

          �

          Hello, everyone.

          �

          I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can�t seem
          to find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home
          license that apparently is now available with the release of
          Jaws 2019.

          �

          Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need
          to do something to renew it at some point.

          �

          Up until now, I�ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year
          period for $120.

          �

          If there now is a more economical way to do this, I�d
          certainly love to learn about it.

          �

          Dr.� Tom Behler from Michigan

          �

          �

















.

Well, the owner/moderator of that list just spanked me over this issue and warned me to knock it off.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 12:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

That list is very tightly monitored indeed.  I'm surprised I haven't
been spanked as of yet.  Nothing bad is allowed to be said of Vispero,
whatsoever, so if you want to join, watch what you say.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~

On 11/2/2018 12:44 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

The list I am talking about is the JAWS Users list, which he apparently recognizes as the "official" JAWS list and to which he is a frequent contributor.  This list has as much, if not more, traffic than the JFW list, and is more tightly monitored. He has never posted on the JFW list, as far as I am aware.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Mario
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

and what list is that? I only know of this list and another one that I
can't recall what it is. is there much traffic on the list Eric posted too?
-------- Original Message --------
From: Gerald Levy [mailto:bwaylimited@...]
Sent: Friday, Nov 2, 2018 12:16 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription


According to a message Eric Damery just posted on the other JAWS list,
the management of Vispero is very optimistic about its future prospect
and he believes that the company  will be around for a long time. Of
course, this is somewhat self-serving, so you can take his reassurances
with a grain of salt.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 12:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

I think you are wrong, and the SMA will go the way of the dinosaur, and
very soon, too.  It seems that Vispero has now become a money-making
operation, rather than what Henter and Joyce had in mind, which was to
help blind people with accessibility as inexpensively as possible.  They
were blind and understood that most blind people don't have a lot of
money, a concept lost on the new owners of the company.  To me, an old
lady using JAWS for a very long time, JAWS still is the best screen
reader out there. However, as the price increases, it becomes more and
more cost prohibitive, to the point where I may have to give it up for
something in the open source market, something I'm going to more and
more.  I'm wondering if Vispero realizes, or cares,  that they are
losing more and more of their long-time customers to their
competition--Narrator, NVDA, etc.  In my humble opinion, their new
pricing structure is pushing away, rather than attracting customers.



Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~

On 11/2/2018 9:24 AM, cecropia64 wrote:
Absolutely! My thoughts exactly.  But if you only plan on either
trying Jaws for a year or don't plan on keeping up on all versions
then the license program seems to be a good alternative.


On 11/2/2018 9:21 AM, Mario wrote:
in addition, I don't think that the SMA scheme will ever be replaced,
and I sincerely hope it never does. there is no harm in keeping the SMA
scheme for those who keep their use of JAWS versions up to date.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Alan Robbins via Groups.Io [mailto:alan1057=me.com@groups.io]
Sent: Friday, Nov 2, 2018 6:45 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

   From what I have read, as well as listened to from Freedom scientific
staff and podcast, it would cost you $90 and it would be that recurring
charge each year to keep a current license to have jaws installed and up
to three computers.

On Nov 2, 2018, at 6:23 AM, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@...
<mailto:bwaylimited@...>> wrote:

I’m confused.    Suppose I wanted to upgrade from JAWS 16, which is
the version I am currently using, to JAWS 2019.  Are you saying that
under the new licensing arrangement  I would only have to pay $90 for
the upgrade, versus about $480 if I went the SMA route?  Or would I
have to pay $270 to cover JAWS versions 17,18, and 2018, on top of the
$90 for JAWS 2019? Please clarify.
Gerald
*From:* Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:@Sieghard>
*Sent:* Thursday, November 01, 2018 11:12 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

I think this is also an offer which would make it much less expensive
for somebody who didn’t keep their SMA up-to-date to get current on
Jaws. If, for example, somebody was still on Jaws 16 or even earlier
they would have to pay several hundreds of Dollars to get current and
then another $120 for the SMA. This way they can just subscribe for
$90 a year and they are done. What I haven’t figured out yet is if
this also applies for new Jaws users, e.g. if you don’t have Jaws at
all, can you just pay $90 a year and download/use the latest version
of Jaws and as long as you keep you rsubscription active then you can
continue to do so? If so then this really is a good option for new
Jaws users because instead of paying $900 or whatever Jaws costs + the
cost of future SMA’s they would djust pay $90 a year. After 10 years
you would have paid $900 which is I believe what Jaws Home costs, if
you had bought it for $900 and then you would buy 5 SMA’s at $120/each
you would have paid $1,500 after 10 years so if you are a new Jaws
user then $90 a year really is a very reasonable price and who knows
what happens in 5 or 6 let alpong 8 or 10 years, maybe Jaws won’t
exist any more as such, maybe Microsoft buys them out and it gets
merged with Narrator into Microsoft and becomes free, I certainly
wouldn’t bet on Jaws being the leading screenreader in 10 years any
more.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Chris
Hill
*Sent:* Thursday, November 1, 2018 7:37 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

It sounds like it would be a bit more flexible since you don't have to
fight with the activation as much if you use a lot of different
computers, but otherwise it looks like a way to generate more
revenue.  I just renewed my SMa, they will have a little while longer
to wait for my extra revenue.

CH

On 11/1/2018 20:53, cecropia64 wrote:

      seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by
      a lot.� With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year.�
      But if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety
      dollars a year and it goes up from there.� What is the purpose
      of this?�

      Stew

      On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

          Thanks, Michael.

          �

          It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA
          system.

          �

          Is this correct?

          �

          I do have one concern, though.

          �

          $90 a year doesn�t seem to be that great of a deal, since
          back in 2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I
          purchased the license by December 31.

          �

          *Am I missing something?*

          *�*

          *Tom Behler*

          *�*

          *�*

          *From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
          mailto:main@jfw.groups.io *On Behalf Of *Michael Amaro
          *Sent:* Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
          *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
          *Subject:* Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home
Subscription

          �

          from the fs e store.

          �

          https://store.freedomscientific.com/
<wlmailhtml:%7b9C3B667B-BEAC-4613-97DF-4EF1CEF83958%7dmid://00000009/%21x-usc:https://store.freedomscientific.com/>



          �

          *From:* Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@...>

          *Sent:* Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

          *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

          *Subject:* Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home
Subscription

          �

          Michael:

          �

          Where did you get this info?

          �

          I�m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid
          sentence.

          �

          I�d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws
          home options if possible.

          �

          Thanks for the help!

          �

          Tom Behler

          �

          �

          *From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
          <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of
          *Michael Amaro
          *Sent:* Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
          *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
          *Subject:* Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home
Subscription

          �

          Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most
          popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now
          available for home users in the United States. *Choose between
          a one-, three-, or five-year option*, with the ability to
          easily renew your license at the end of your initial term.

          With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most
          up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an
          upgrade to get new versions when they release � you have
          access to all upgrades released during your license term.
          Having access to new versions of JAWS as they become available
          is essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with
          the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows�, Microsoft
          Office�, your browser, and other applications you may use.

          *JAWS License Comparison
<https://www.freedomscientific.com/products/blindness/JAWSLicenseComparison>*



          *What's Next?*

          After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will
          receive an email with instructions and a link to register on
          the Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to
          access and manage your software licenses, and provides a
          simple way to install and activate your software. Your license
          can be installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the
          portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer
          and put it on a new one later.

          When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the
          same email address you used to purchase your license; if you
          have already registered from previous purchases, simply select
          the link you receive and sign in � your license will be
          available.

          JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal,
          non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported
          versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

          �

          *From:* Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@...>

          *Sent:* Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

          *To:* 'jfw list' <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

          *Subject:* Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

          �

          Hello, everyone.

          �

          I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can�t seem
          to find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home
          license that apparently is now available with the release of
          Jaws 2019.

          �

          Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need
          to do something to renew it at some point.

          �

          Up until now, I�ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year
          period for $120.

          �

          If there now is a more economical way to do this, I�d
          certainly love to learn about it.

          �

          Dr.� Tom Behler from Michigan

          �

          �

















.

The list I am talking about is the JAWS Users list, which he apparently
recognizes as the "official" JAWS list and to which he is a frequent
contributor. This list has as much, if not more, traffic than the JFW
list, and is more tightly monitored. He has never posted on the JFW list,
as far as I am aware.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Mario
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

and what list is that? I only know of this list and another one that I
can't recall what it is. is there much traffic on the list Eric posted
too?
-------- Original Message --------
From: Gerald Levy [mailto:bwaylimited@...]
Sent: Friday, Nov 2, 2018 12:16 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription


According to a message Eric Damery just posted on the other JAWS list,
the management of Vispero is very optimistic about its future prospect
and he believes that the company will be around for a long time. Of
course, this is somewhat self-serving, so you can take his reassurances
with a grain of salt.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 12:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

I think you are wrong, and the SMA will go the way of the dinosaur, and
very soon, too. It seems that Vispero has now become a money-making
operation, rather than what Henter and Joyce had in mind, which was to
help blind people with accessibility as inexpensively as possible. They
were blind and understood that most blind people don't have a lot of
money, a concept lost on the new owners of the company. To me, an old
lady using JAWS for a very long time, JAWS still is the best screen
reader out there. However, as the price increases, it becomes more and
more cost prohibitive, to the point where I may have to give it up for
something in the open source market, something I'm going to more and
more. I'm wondering if Vispero realizes, or cares, that they are
losing more and more of their long-time customers to their
competition--Narrator, NVDA, etc. In my humble opinion, their new
pricing structure is pushing away, rather than attracting customers.



Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~

On 11/2/2018 9:24 AM, cecropia64 wrote:
Absolutely! My thoughts exactly. But if you only plan on either
trying Jaws for a year or don't plan on keeping up on all versions
then the license program seems to be a good alternative.


On 11/2/2018 9:21 AM, Mario wrote:
in addition, I don't think that the SMA scheme will ever be replaced,
and I sincerely hope it never does. there is no harm in keeping the SMA
scheme for those who keep their use of JAWS versions up to date.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Alan Robbins via Groups.Io [mailto:alan1057=me.com@groups.io]
Sent: Friday, Nov 2, 2018 6:45 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

From what I have read, as well as listened to from Freedom scientific
staff and podcast, it would cost you $90 and it would be that recurring
charge each year to keep a current license to have jaws installed and up
to three computers.

On Nov 2, 2018, at 6:23 AM, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@...
<mailto:bwaylimited@...>> wrote:

I’m confused. Suppose I wanted to upgrade from JAWS 16, which is
the version I am currently using, to JAWS 2019. Are you saying that
under the new licensing arrangement I would only have to pay $90 for
the upgrade, versus about $480 if I went the SMA route? Or would I
have to pay $270 to cover JAWS versions 17,18, and 2018, on top of the
$90 for JAWS 2019? Please clarify.
Gerald
*From:* Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:@Sieghard>
*Sent:* Thursday, November 01, 2018 11:12 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

I think this is also an offer which would make it much less expensive
for somebody who didn’t keep their SMA up-to-date to get current on
Jaws. If, for example, somebody was still on Jaws 16 or even earlier
they would have to pay several hundreds of Dollars to get current and
then another $120 for the SMA. This way they can just subscribe for
$90 a year and they are done. What I haven’t figured out yet is if
this also applies for new Jaws users, e.g. if you don’t have Jaws at
all, can you just pay $90 a year and download/use the latest version
of Jaws and as long as you keep you rsubscription active then you can
continue to do so? If so then this really is a good option for new
Jaws users because instead of paying $900 or whatever Jaws costs + the
cost of future SMA’s they would djust pay $90 a year. After 10 years
you would have paid $900 which is I believe what Jaws Home costs, if
you had bought it for $900 and then you would buy 5 SMA’s at $120/each
you would have paid $1,500 after 10 years so if you are a new Jaws
user then $90 a year really is a very reasonable price and who knows
what happens in 5 or 6 let alpong 8 or 10 years, maybe Jaws won’t
exist any more as such, maybe Microsoft buys them out and it gets
merged with Narrator into Microsoft and becomes free, I certainly
wouldn’t bet on Jaws being the leading screenreader in 10 years any
more.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Chris
Hill
*Sent:* Thursday, November 1, 2018 7:37 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

It sounds like it would be a bit more flexible since you don't have to
fight with the activation as much if you use a lot of different
computers, but otherwise it looks like a way to generate more
revenue. I just renewed my SMa, they will have a little while longer
to wait for my extra revenue.

CH

On 11/1/2018 20:53, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by
a lot.� With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year.�
But if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety
dollars a year and it goes up from there.� What is the purpose
of this?�

Stew

On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.

�

It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA
system.

�

Is this correct?

�

I do have one concern, though.

�

$90 a year doesn�t seem to be that great of a deal, since
back in 2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I
purchased the license by December 31.

�

*Am I missing something?*

*�*

*Tom Behler*

*�*

*�*

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
mailto:main@jfw.groups.io *On Behalf Of *Michael Amaro
*Sent:* Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home
Subscription

�

from the fs e store.

�

https://store.freedomscientific.com/
<wlmailhtml:%7b9C3B667B-BEAC-4613-97DF-4EF1CEF83958%7dmid://00000009/%21x-usc:https://store.freedomscientific.com/>



�

*From:* Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@...>

*Sent:* Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

*Subject:* Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home
Subscription

�

Michael:

�

Where did you get this info?

�

I�m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid
sentence.

�

I�d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws
home options if possible.

�

Thanks for the help!

�

Tom Behler

�

�

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of
*Michael Amaro
*Sent:* Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home
Subscription

�

Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most
popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now
available for home users in the United States. *Choose between
a one-, three-, or five-year option*, with the ability to
easily renew your license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most
up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an
upgrade to get new versions when they release � you have
access to all upgrades released during your license term.
Having access to new versions of JAWS as they become available
is essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with
the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows�, Microsoft
Office�, your browser, and other applications you may use.

*JAWS License Comparison
<https://www.freedomscientific.com/products/blindness/JAWSLicenseComparison>*



*What's Next?*

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will
receive an email with instructions and a link to register on
the Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to
access and manage your software licenses, and provides a
simple way to install and activate your software. Your license
can be installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the
portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer
and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the
same email address you used to purchase your license; if you
have already registered from previous purchases, simply select
the link you receive and sign in � your license will be
available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal,
non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported
versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

�

*From:* Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@...>

*Sent:* Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

*To:* 'jfw list' <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

*Subject:* Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Hello, everyone.

�

I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can�t seem
to find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home
license that apparently is now available with the release of
Jaws 2019.

�

Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need
to do something to renew it at some point.

�

Up until now, I�ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year
period for $120.

�

If there now is a more economical way to do this, I�d
certainly love to learn about it.

�

Dr.� Tom Behler from Michigan

�

�

















.

Actually, I have a better idea. When the time comes to upgrade to Windows 10, I plan to buy a refurbed desktop from Computers for the Blind for about $150, which comes with the latest version of JAWS, which is good for a full year before it needs to be re-upped. My current DFB desktop is still going strong after four years, but I'm still running Windows 7 with JAWS 16, so once support for Windows 7 ends in early 2020, I'll make the upgrade.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Crist�bal
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

I re-upped my SMA last month through 2020. I'll worry about what may or may
not happen in two years.
Besides, as you mentioned earlier, you're on V 16 so it's not like SMA or no
SMA in the future is going to impact you. I mean, you can of course get
current the traditional way and pay whatever it is now to stay on the SMA
program or just pay the $90 to end up at the same place.
Hmmm....
Crist�bal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription


Well, Eric Damery offered no assurances that Vispero would continue to offer
the SMA option indefinitely, so there is no guarantee that it will not be
phased out at some point, and probably sooner rather than later.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Mario
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 12:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

I agree. it makes more sense for those who want to catch up to the latest
version. so that means that SMAs will NOT be phased out.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Michael Amaro [mailto:mikeameli@...]
Sent: Friday, Nov 2, 2018 12:06 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Sieghard your right. The 90 dollar subscription is for those that fall
behind on there jaws versions

*From:* Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:@Sieghard>
*Sent:* Friday, November 2, 2018 8:27 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

Hi Maria and Gerald,

But it is also not that unreasonable to expect that at some point the price
for everything goes up. There is such a thing as inflation and it's not like
Vispero pays their employees the same wage as they did 20 years ago or that
rent, utilities and all that has not gone up. How many of us spend the$90
Jaws is now charging for this subscription each month for our cell phone
plan? How many of us pay that or more for our Netflix subscription, for our
Apple Music, Spotify or other music service subscription? For how long has
FS charged the same $120 for their SMA?
Is it really such a big deal to pay $7.50 a month for Jaws instead of $5?
That $2.50 difference is less than what a lot of us spend on a coffee from
Starbucks and how often a month do you buy that? OK, so maybe you don't buy
Starbucks coffee, but there is any number of other examples I could quote
where we spend money on luxuries or things we don't really need even for
those among us who are on a very limited income. I bet most of us waste more
than $2.50 a month on food we throw out because we forgot about it and it
has gone bad, Americans and Canadians after all are among the countries with
the highest food waste and that is a fact. The point is that Jaws is not a
luxury because those of us who need it can't just say "Oh, this month money
is tight so maybe let's not go out for dinner or buy lunch but instead I eat
a sandwich at home to save money". And for those with relatively basic
computer needs there is always NVDA and even Narrator is getting to a point
where somebody could happily do email, browse the web and so on. Nobody
forces you to use Jaws if you don't want to pay for it for whatever reason.

Regards,

Sieghard

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Maria
Campbell
*Sent:* Friday, November 2, 2018 8:06 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the least
they can do is discount the licenses with additional years. Has Freedom
Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people don't have a lot of
money since so many of us are not employed or receive our JAWS from
agencies?

Maria Campbell

lucky1inct@... <mailto:lucky1inct@...>



Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.

~ Blaise Pascal ~



On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a
lot.� With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year.� But
if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a
year and it goes up from there.� What is the purpose of this?�

Stew

On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.

�

It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA
system.

�

Is this correct?

�

I do have one concern, though.

�

$90 a year doesn�t seem to be that great of a deal, since back
in 2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I
purchased the license by December 31.

�

*Am I missing something?*

*�*

*Tom Behler*

*�*

*�*

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io> <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Michael Amaro
*Sent:* Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

from the fs e store.

�

https://store.freedomscientific.com/

<wlmailhtml:%7b9C3B667B-BEAC-4613-97DF-4EF1CEF83958%7dmid://00000009/%21x-us
c:https://store.freedomscientific.com/>

�

*From:* Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@...>

*Sent:* Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

*Subject:* Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Michael:

�

Where did you get this info?

�

I�m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.

�

I�d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home
options if possible.

�

Thanks for the help!

�

Tom Behler

�

�

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of
*Michael Amaro
*Sent:* Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most
popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now
available for home users in the United States. *Choose between a
one-, three-, or five-year option*, with the ability to easily
renew your license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most
up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an
upgrade to get new versions when they release � you have
access to all upgrades released during your license term. Having
access to new versions of JAWS as they become available is
essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with the
continuous updates of Microsoft Windows�, Microsoft Office�,
your browser, and other applications you may use.

*JAWS License Comparison

<https://www.freedomscientific.com/products/blindness/JAWSLicenseComparison>
*

*What's Next?*

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive
an email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom
Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and
manage your software licenses, and provides a simple way to
install and activate your software. Your license can be
installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the portal, you
can easily remove your license from one computer and put it on a
new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the
same email address you used to purchase your license; if you
have already registered from previous purchases, simply select
the link you receive and sign in � your license will be
available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal,
non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported
versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

�

*From:* Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@...>

*Sent:* Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

*To:* 'jfw list' <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

*Subject:* Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Hello, everyone.

�

I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can�t seem to
find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license
that apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.

�

Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to
do something to renew it at some point.

�

Up until now, I�ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year
period for $120.

�

If there now is a more economical way to do this, I�d
certainly love to learn about it.

�

Dr.� Tom Behler from Michigan

�

�

The list I am talking about is the JAWS Users list, which he apparently recognizes as the "official" JAWS list and to which he is a frequent contributor. This list has as much, if not more, traffic than the JFW list, and is more tightly monitored. He has never posted on the JFW list, as far as I am aware.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Mario
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

and what list is that? I only know of this list and another one that I
can't recall what it is. is there much traffic on the list Eric posted too?
-------- Original Message --------
From: Gerald Levy [mailto:bwaylimited@...]
Sent: Friday, Nov 2, 2018 12:16 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription


According to a message Eric Damery just posted on the other JAWS list,
the management of Vispero is very optimistic about its future prospect
and he believes that the company will be around for a long time. Of
course, this is somewhat self-serving, so you can take his reassurances
with a grain of salt.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 12:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

I think you are wrong, and the SMA will go the way of the dinosaur, and
very soon, too. It seems that Vispero has now become a money-making
operation, rather than what Henter and Joyce had in mind, which was to
help blind people with accessibility as inexpensively as possible. They
were blind and understood that most blind people don't have a lot of
money, a concept lost on the new owners of the company. To me, an old
lady using JAWS for a very long time, JAWS still is the best screen
reader out there. However, as the price increases, it becomes more and
more cost prohibitive, to the point where I may have to give it up for
something in the open source market, something I'm going to more and
more. I'm wondering if Vispero realizes, or cares, that they are
losing more and more of their long-time customers to their
competition--Narrator, NVDA, etc. In my humble opinion, their new
pricing structure is pushing away, rather than attracting customers.



Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~

On 11/2/2018 9:24 AM, cecropia64 wrote:
Absolutely! My thoughts exactly. But if you only plan on either
trying Jaws for a year or don't plan on keeping up on all versions
then the license program seems to be a good alternative.


On 11/2/2018 9:21 AM, Mario wrote:
in addition, I don't think that the SMA scheme will ever be replaced,
and I sincerely hope it never does. there is no harm in keeping the SMA
scheme for those who keep their use of JAWS versions up to date.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Alan Robbins via Groups.Io [mailto:alan1057=me.com@groups.io]
Sent: Friday, Nov 2, 2018 6:45 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

From what I have read, as well as listened to from Freedom scientific
staff and podcast, it would cost you $90 and it would be that recurring
charge each year to keep a current license to have jaws installed and up
to three computers.

On Nov 2, 2018, at 6:23 AM, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@...
<mailto:bwaylimited@...>> wrote:

I’m confused. Suppose I wanted to upgrade from JAWS 16, which is
the version I am currently using, to JAWS 2019. Are you saying that
under the new licensing arrangement I would only have to pay $90 for
the upgrade, versus about $480 if I went the SMA route? Or would I
have to pay $270 to cover JAWS versions 17,18, and 2018, on top of the
$90 for JAWS 2019? Please clarify.
Gerald
*From:* Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:@Sieghard>
*Sent:* Thursday, November 01, 2018 11:12 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

I think this is also an offer which would make it much less expensive
for somebody who didn’t keep their SMA up-to-date to get current on
Jaws. If, for example, somebody was still on Jaws 16 or even earlier
they would have to pay several hundreds of Dollars to get current and
then another $120 for the SMA. This way they can just subscribe for
$90 a year and they are done. What I haven’t figured out yet is if
this also applies for new Jaws users, e.g. if you don’t have Jaws at
all, can you just pay $90 a year and download/use the latest version
of Jaws and as long as you keep you rsubscription active then you can
continue to do so? If so then this really is a good option for new
Jaws users because instead of paying $900 or whatever Jaws costs + the
cost of future SMA’s they would djust pay $90 a year. After 10 years
you would have paid $900 which is I believe what Jaws Home costs, if
you had bought it for $900 and then you would buy 5 SMA’s at $120/each
you would have paid $1,500 after 10 years so if you are a new Jaws
user then $90 a year really is a very reasonable price and who knows
what happens in 5 or 6 let alpong 8 or 10 years, maybe Jaws won’t
exist any more as such, maybe Microsoft buys them out and it gets
merged with Narrator into Microsoft and becomes free, I certainly
wouldn’t bet on Jaws being the leading screenreader in 10 years any
more.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Chris
Hill
*Sent:* Thursday, November 1, 2018 7:37 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

It sounds like it would be a bit more flexible since you don't have to
fight with the activation as much if you use a lot of different
computers, but otherwise it looks like a way to generate more
revenue. I just renewed my SMa, they will have a little while longer
to wait for my extra revenue.

CH

On 11/1/2018 20:53, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by
a lot.� With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year.�
But if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety
dollars a year and it goes up from there.� What is the purpose
of this?�

Stew

On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.

�

It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA
system.

�

Is this correct?

�

I do have one concern, though.

�

$90 a year doesn�t seem to be that great of a deal, since
back in 2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I
purchased the license by December 31.

�

*Am I missing something?*

*�*

*Tom Behler*

*�*

*�*

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
mailto:main@jfw.groups.io *On Behalf Of *Michael Amaro
*Sent:* Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home
Subscription

�

from the fs e store.

�

https://store.freedomscientific.com/
<wlmailhtml:%7b9C3B667B-BEAC-4613-97DF-4EF1CEF83958%7dmid://00000009/%21x-usc:https://store.freedomscientific.com/>



�

*From:* Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@...>

*Sent:* Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

*Subject:* Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home
Subscription

�

Michael:

�

Where did you get this info?

�

I�m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid
sentence.

�

I�d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws
home options if possible.

�

Thanks for the help!

�

Tom Behler

�

�

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of
*Michael Amaro
*Sent:* Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home
Subscription

�

Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most
popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now
available for home users in the United States. *Choose between
a one-, three-, or five-year option*, with the ability to
easily renew your license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most
up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an
upgrade to get new versions when they release � you have
access to all upgrades released during your license term.
Having access to new versions of JAWS as they become available
is essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with
the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows�, Microsoft
Office�, your browser, and other applications you may use.

*JAWS License Comparison
<https://www.freedomscientific.com/products/blindness/JAWSLicenseComparison>*



*What's Next?*

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will
receive an email with instructions and a link to register on
the Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to
access and manage your software licenses, and provides a
simple way to install and activate your software. Your license
can be installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the
portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer
and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the
same email address you used to purchase your license; if you
have already registered from previous purchases, simply select
the link you receive and sign in � your license will be
available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal,
non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported
versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

�

*From:* Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@...>

*Sent:* Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

*To:* 'jfw list' <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

*Subject:* Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Hello, everyone.

�

I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can�t seem
to find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home
license that apparently is now available with the release of
Jaws 2019.

�

Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need
to do something to renew it at some point.

�

Up until now, I�ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year
period for $120.

�

If there now is a more economical way to do this, I�d
certainly love to learn about it.

�

Dr.� Tom Behler from Michigan

�

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.

Kind of strange to me that They would never offer a payment plan for JAWS but now they come up with this idea where you pay the $90 basically for ever if you want to use JAWS.  Would rather have it like a lease to own plan where your $90 comes off the price of purchasing JAWS if you so desire in the future.

The list I am talking about is the JAWS Users list, which he apparently recognizes as the "official" JAWS list and to which he is a frequent contributor.  This list has as much, if not more, traffic than the JFW list, and is more tightly monitored.  He has never posted on the JFW list, as far as I am aware.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Mario
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

and what list is that? I only know of this list and another one that I
can't recall what it is. is there much traffic on the list Eric posted too?
-------- Original Message --------
From: Gerald Levy [mailto:bwaylimited@...]
Sent: Friday, Nov 2, 2018 12:16 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription


According to a message Eric Damery just posted on the other JAWS list,
the management of Vispero is very optimistic about its future prospect
and he believes that the company  will be around for a long time. Of
course, this is somewhat self-serving, so you can take his reassurances
with a grain of salt.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 12:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

I think you are wrong, and the SMA will go the way of the dinosaur, and
very soon, too.  It seems that Vispero has now become a money-making
operation, rather than what Henter and Joyce had in mind, which was to
help blind people with accessibility as inexpensively as possible.  They
were blind and understood that most blind people don't have a lot of
money, a concept lost on the new owners of the company.  To me, an old
lady using JAWS for a very long time, JAWS still is the best screen
reader out there. However, as the price increases, it becomes more and
more cost prohibitive, to the point where I may have to give it up for
something in the open source market, something I'm going to more and
more.  I'm wondering if Vispero realizes, or cares,  that they are
losing more and more of their long-time customers to their
competition--Narrator, NVDA, etc.  In my humble opinion, their new
pricing structure is pushing away, rather than attracting customers.



Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~

On 11/2/2018 9:24 AM, cecropia64 wrote:
Absolutely! My thoughts exactly.  But if you only plan on either
trying Jaws for a year or don't plan on keeping up on all versions
then the license program seems to be a good alternative.


On 11/2/2018 9:21 AM, Mario wrote:
in addition, I don't think that the SMA scheme will ever be replaced,
and I sincerely hope it never does. there is no harm in keeping the SMA
scheme for those who keep their use of JAWS versions up to date.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Alan Robbins via Groups.Io [mailto:alan1057=me.com@groups.io]
Sent: Friday, Nov 2, 2018 6:45 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

   From what I have read, as well as listened to from Freedom scientific
staff and podcast, it would cost you $90 and it would be that recurring
charge each year to keep a current license to have jaws installed and up
to three computers.

On Nov 2, 2018, at 6:23 AM, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@...
<mailto:bwaylimited@...>> wrote:

I’m confused.    Suppose I wanted to upgrade from JAWS 16, which is
the version I am currently using, to JAWS 2019.  Are you saying that
under the new licensing arrangement  I would only have to pay $90 for
the upgrade, versus about $480 if I went the SMA route?  Or would I
have to pay $270 to cover JAWS versions 17,18, and 2018, on top of the
$90 for JAWS 2019? Please clarify.
Gerald
*From:* Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:@Sieghard>
*Sent:* Thursday, November 01, 2018 11:12 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

I think this is also an offer which would make it much less expensive
for somebody who didn’t keep their SMA up-to-date to get current on
Jaws. If, for example, somebody was still on Jaws 16 or even earlier
they would have to pay several hundreds of Dollars to get current and
then another $120 for the SMA. This way they can just subscribe for
$90 a year and they are done. What I haven’t figured out yet is if
this also applies for new Jaws users, e.g. if you don’t have Jaws at
all, can you just pay $90 a year and download/use the latest version
of Jaws and as long as you keep you rsubscription active then you can
continue to do so? If so then this really is a good option for new
Jaws users because instead of paying $900 or whatever Jaws costs + the
cost of future SMA’s they would djust pay $90 a year. After 10 years
you would have paid $900 which is I believe what Jaws Home costs, if
you had bought it for $900 and then you would buy 5 SMA’s at $120/each
you would have paid $1,500 after 10 years so if you are a new Jaws
user then $90 a year really is a very reasonable price and who knows
what happens in 5 or 6 let alpong 8 or 10 years, maybe Jaws won’t
exist any more as such, maybe Microsoft buys them out and it gets
merged with Narrator into Microsoft and becomes free, I certainly
wouldn’t bet on Jaws being the leading screenreader in 10 years any
more.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Chris
Hill
*Sent:* Thursday, November 1, 2018 7:37 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

It sounds like it would be a bit more flexible since you don't have to
fight with the activation as much if you use a lot of different
computers, but otherwise it looks like a way to generate more
revenue.  I just renewed my SMa, they will have a little while longer
to wait for my extra revenue.

CH

On 11/1/2018 20:53, cecropia64 wrote:

      seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by
      a lot.� With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year.�
      But if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety
      dollars a year and it goes up from there.� What is the purpose
      of this?�

      Stew

      On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

          Thanks, Michael.

          �

          It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA
          system.

          �

          Is this correct?

          �

          I do have one concern, though.

          �

          $90 a year doesn�t seem to be that great of a deal, since
          back in 2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I
          purchased the license by December 31.

          �

          *Am I missing something?*

          *�*

          *Tom Behler*

          *�*

          *�*

          *From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
          mailto:main@jfw.groups.io *On Behalf Of *Michael Amaro
          *Sent:* Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
          *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
          *Subject:* Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home
Subscription

          �

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          �

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          �

          *From:* Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@...>

          *Sent:* Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

          *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

          *Subject:* Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home
Subscription

          �

          Michael:

          �

          Where did you get this info?

          �

          I�m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid
          sentence.

          �

          I�d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws
          home options if possible.

          �

          Thanks for the help!

          �

          Tom Behler

          �

          �

          *From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
          <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of
          *Michael Amaro
          *Sent:* Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
          *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
          *Subject:* Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home
Subscription

          �

          Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most
          popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now
          available for home users in the United States. *Choose between
          a one-, three-, or five-year option*, with the ability to
          easily renew your license at the end of your initial term.

          With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most
          up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an
          upgrade to get new versions when they release � you have
          access to all upgrades released during your license term.
          Having access to new versions of JAWS as they become available
          is essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with
          the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows�, Microsoft
          Office�, your browser, and other applications you may use.

          *JAWS License Comparison
<https://www.freedomscientific.com/products/blindness/JAWSLicenseComparison>*



          *What's Next?*

          After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will
          receive an email with instructions and a link to register on
          the Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to
          access and manage your software licenses, and provides a
          simple way to install and activate your software. Your license
          can be installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the
          portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer
          and put it on a new one later.

          When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the
          same email address you used to purchase your license; if you
          have already registered from previous purchases, simply select
          the link you receive and sign in � your license will be
          available.

          JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal,
          non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported
          versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

          �

          *From:* Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@...>

          *Sent:* Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

          *To:* 'jfw list' <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

          *Subject:* Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

          �

          Hello, everyone.

          �

          I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can�t seem
          to find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home
          license that apparently is now available with the release of
          Jaws 2019.

          �

          Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need
          to do something to renew it at some point.

          �

          Up until now, I�ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year
          period for $120.

          �

          If there now is a more economical way to do this, I�d
          certainly love to learn about it.

          �

          Dr.� Tom Behler from Michigan

          �

          �

















.

Hi Richard,

If you have purchased Jaws and are maintaining your SMA's you can also install Jaws on more than 1 computer. I think this subscription deal is really meant for new users and people who may have purchased Jaws but did not keep their SMA up to date and who are now 4 or 5 versions behind and would have to pay hundreds of Dollars to get current. It may, as I said, also be something Vispero will move towards for all users down the road, but only they know that.

I am one of those who was a strong supporter/user of Window-Eyes.  I was extremely sad that VFO bought them out to finally kill it.

That being said, GW Micro was paid a large sum of money by Microsoft to do the Office deal to get Window-Eyes for free.  That version did not come with support, if someone wanted support, they had to pay an extra charge.  The amount Microsoft paid has never been revealed.  I am not going to get into the debate about which screen reader was better since there is no chance Window-Eyes is coming back.

Unless I am missing something really obvious here, the home license for essentially $60 per year is good on one computer.  The new deal at $90 per year is good for up to three computers.  So, if you are in a household with at least two Jaws users, that is a better deal.

If you have only one computer, like myself and am the only one needing Jaws, then the SMA is a better deal.

And, also unless I am missing something, you have always been able to deactivate your license on one computer and put it on another one.

I will not be surprised that I have no idea what I’m talking about, but I’m happy with buying the SMA.

Richard

Hi Maria and Gerald,

But it is also not that unreasonable to expect that at some point the price for everything goes up. There is such a thing as inflation and it's not like Vispero pays their employees the same wage as they did 20 years ago or that rent, utilities and all that has not gone up. How many of us spend the$90 Jaws is now charging for this subscription each month for our cell phone plan? How many of us pay that or more for our Netflix subscription, for our Apple Music, Spotify or other music service subscription? For how long has FS charged the same $120 for their SMA? Is it really such a big deal to pay $7.50 a month for Jaws instead of $5? That $2.50 difference is less than what a lot of us spend on a coffee from Starbucks and how often a month do you buy that? OK, so maybe you don't buy Starbucks coffee, but there is any number of other examples I could quote where we spend money on luxuries or things we don't really need even for those among us who are on a very limited income. I bet most of us waste more than $2.50 a month on food we throw out because we forgot about it and it has gone bad, Americans and Canadians after all are among the countries with the highest food waste and that is a fact. The point is that Jaws is not a luxury because those of us who need it can't just say "Oh, this month money is tight so maybe let's not go out for dinner or buy lunch but instead I eat a sandwich at home to save money". And for those with relatively basic computer needs there is always NVDA and even Narrator is getting to a point where somebody could happily do email, browse the web and so on. Nobody forces you to use Jaws if you don't want to pay for it for whatever reason.

Regards,

Sieghard

It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years.  Has Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people don't have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or receive our JAWS from agencies?

Maria Campbell

lucky1inct@...

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.

~ Blaise Pascal ~

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a lot.� With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year.� But if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year and it goes up from there.� What is the purpose of this?�

 

Stew

 

On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

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From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

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Michael:

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�

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now available for home users in the United States. Choose between a one-, three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to get new versions when they release � you have access to all upgrades released during your license term. Having access to new versions of JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows�, Microsoft Office�, your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison

What's Next?

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive and sign in � your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal, non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

�

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

To: 'jfw list'

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Hello, everyone.

�

I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can�t seem to find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.

�

Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do something to renew it at some point.

�

Up until now, I�ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for $120.

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If there now is a more economical way to do this, I�d certainly love to learn about it.

�

Dr.� Tom Behler from Michigan

�

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It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years.  Has Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people don't have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or receive our JAWS from agencies?

Maria Campbell

lucky1inct@...

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.

~ Blaise Pascal ~

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a lot.� With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year.� But if the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year and it goes up from there.� What is the purpose of this?�

 

Stew

 

On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.

�

It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.

�

Is this correct?

�

I do have one concern, though.

�

$90 a year doesn�t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in 2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the license by December 31.

�

Am I missing something?

�

Tom Behler

�

�

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

from the fs e store.

�

https://store.freedomscientific.com/

�

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Michael:

�

Where did you get this info?

�

I�m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.

�

I�d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options if possible.

�

Thanks for the help!

�

Tom Behler

�

�

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now available for home users in the United States. Choose between a one-, three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to get new versions when they release � you have access to all upgrades released during your license term. Having access to new versions of JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows�, Microsoft Office�, your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison

What's Next?

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive and sign in � your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal, non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions of the Windows operating system. Refer

�

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

To: 'jfw list'

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription

�

Hello, everyone.

�

I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can�t seem to find a nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.

�

Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do something to renew it at some point.

�

Up until now, I�ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for $120.

�

If there now is a more economical way to do this, I�d certainly love to learn about it.

�

Dr.� Tom Behler from Michigan

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