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locked Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

James Lockwood <lockwoodnd@...>
 

That is not dumpster diving. That’s cold recycling

On Nov 4, 2018, at 2:51 PM, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@...> wrote:

The wife and I go to our local recycler maybe three or four times a year and drop off what we've accumulated. Bottles, cans, glass, cardboard, etc. Depending on how much we pile into the SUV, we may get anywhere from $25 to $40 each time. Not going to be buying Jaws or a Braille display with that.
We don't do it necessarily because of the money, but to try to be responsible citizens per say. We'll usually go out and grab lunch or whatever after with our reimbursed wealth. That said, this past year has been even less since we got a Soda Stream last year and have really cut back on buying things like mineral and regular bottled water.
There's a guy and his wife who come around the neighborhood Sunday nights and goes through the trash bins. Generally, people don't mind as long as they don't make a mess of things. We'll sometimes leave out odd ball stuff like things that can be turned in for scrap or e-waste or just stuff that we're not going to deal with and they'll take it. We certainly don't think it's steeling. I mean, everyone's just trying to make their way in life and it's not like "dumpster diving" is going to be anyone's first choice.
But to suggest that a blind person pursue this as an avenue for some sort of revenue stream is ridiculous on its face. Seriously, come on. Get real.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 10:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Heavens, my sighted daughter saves her cans and such. Giving them to her sighted friend for recycling. For which her sighted friend receives monetary compensation. Why condemn a thing which goes on all the time, I ask? When last I moved, my son got our boxes from stores which threw the ones they had no need for away. From wherever was their trash containers.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!


I found the message James was referring too. When my brother lived with us before I got married, I would get reports of him going into people's recycling box that they had put out on the curb to be picked up by the municipality and taking out the empty pop cans or beer cans . Then he would take them to a store and cash them in for money. This is how he would supplement his income. To me this is steeling. Now, having said this, we run dogs on a trail and frequently find the same things, empties. We cash them in, however, to us it is just cleaning up the environment. Especially when the amount we cashed in could not even pay for a 32 G, SD card. There was someone that would go to beaches on weekends and clean them up. She made enough money doing this each year that she could go to Hawaii every year.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Lockwood
Sent: November 3, 2018 8:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Dumpster diving? I find that offensive. If you recommend blind people go dumpster diving then you are an idiot. And I don’t care if your offended by that. Deal with it.

On Nov 3, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:

Dumster diving? Is this your sense of humour or are you actually serious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Don't Make Assumptions!

Hello again everyone,

Truthfully we've suggested a number of different ideas to different blind individuals for generating needed income to cover the cost of technologhy.
Some of these included dumpster diving,becoming certified Braille transcribers and proofreaders along with other ideas. Before writing this note I sent a message to an old schoolfriend of mine who has written a number of books one of which is in audio format. He said that his audio version sold out and he no longer had copies on CD but could provide them in
MP3 format. I suggested making his book available through Audible allowing many others to buy it in an audio format and adding an additional source of passive income to his portfolio. That has as much to do with network marketing as this list! All the best.

Peter Donahue


locked Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

James Lockwood <lockwoodnd@...>
 

I refuse to believe because a person is blind it means they have to dig through dumpsters in order to make a living. It’s called having dignity

On Nov 4, 2018, at 3:01 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:

Hi David,

If I put my pop cans or anything which I can collect money on if I bring it to the recycling centre into my recycling bin which is picked up and where I get nothing for it then it is not steeling if somebody picks out said pop cans. It is no different than if I threw the cans into the trash and somebody came by to pick them out (essentially dumpster diving). If I collect my cans in my carport in a bin so I can take them to the recycling centre once a month and somebody comes on my property and goes under my carport to grab those cans then that is steeling and, of course, trespassing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 8:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

I found the message James was referring too. When my brother lived with us before I got married, I would get reports of him going into people's recycling box that they had put out on the curb to be picked up by the municipality and taking out the empty pop cans or beer cans . Then he would take them to a store and cash them in for money. This is how he would supplement his income. To me this is steeling. Now, having said this, we run dogs on a trail and frequently find the same things, empties. We cash them in, however, to us it is just cleaning up the environment. Especially when the amount we cashed in could not even pay for a 32 G, SD card. There was someone that would go to beaches on weekends and clean them up. She made enough money doing this each year that she could go to Hawaii every year.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Lockwood
Sent: November 3, 2018 8:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Dumpster diving? I find that offensive. If you recommend blind people go dumpster diving then you are an idiot. And I don’t care if your offended by that. Deal with it.

On Nov 3, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:

Dumster diving? Is this your sense of humour or are you actually serious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Don't Make Assumptions!

Hello again everyone,

Truthfully we've suggested a number of different ideas to different blind individuals for generating needed income to cover the cost of technologhy. Some of these included dumpster diving,becoming certified Braille transcribers and proofreaders along with other ideas. Before writing this note I sent a message to an old schoolfriend of mine who has written a number of books one of which is in audio format. He said that his audio version sold out and he no longer had copies on CD but could provide them in MP3 format. I suggested making his book available through Audible allowing many others to buy it in an audio format and adding an additional source of passive income to his portfolio. That has as much to do with network marketing as this list! All the best.

Peter Donahue


Windows 10 Sink Center

James Lockwood <lockwoodnd@...>
 

I know Jaws 2018 doesn’t do it. But is J 2019 compatible with windows 10 Sink Center? For example right hand click on a network drive go to start sync. that window that pops up to set up the account is not accessible in j 2018. Is that in 2019 or is there a script? I can’t even get windows narrator to read it. But its part of windows


locked Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

David & his pack of dogs
 

When needing boxes for packing we always ask. Technically I would think taking them out of the store dumpster is steeling because you are on private property.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: November 4, 2018 10:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Heavens, my sighted daughter saves her cans and such. Giving them to her sighted friend for recycling. For which her sighted friend receives monetary compensation. Why condemn a thing which goes on all the time, I ask? When last I moved, my son got our boxes from stores which threw the ones they had no need for away. From wherever was their trash containers.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!


I found the message James was referring too. When my brother lived with us before I got married, I would get reports of him going into people's recycling box that they had put out on the curb to be picked up by the municipality and taking out the empty pop cans or beer cans . Then he would take them to a store and cash them in for money. This is how he would supplement his income. To me this is steeling. Now, having said this, we run dogs on a trail and frequently find the same things, empties. We cash them in, however, to us it is just cleaning up the environment. Especially when the amount we cashed in could not even pay for a 32 G, SD card. There was someone that would go to beaches on weekends and clean them up. She made enough money doing this each year that she could go to Hawaii every year.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Lockwood
Sent: November 3, 2018 8:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Dumpster diving? I find that offensive. If you recommend blind people go dumpster diving then you are an idiot. And I don’t care if your offended by that. Deal with it.

On Nov 3, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:

Dumster diving? Is this your sense of humour or are you actually serious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Don't Make Assumptions!

Hello again everyone,

Truthfully we've suggested a number of different ideas to different blind individuals for generating needed income to cover the cost of technologhy.
Some of these included dumpster diving,becoming certified Braille transcribers and proofreaders along with other ideas. Before writing this note I sent a message to an old schoolfriend of mine who has written a number of books one of which is in audio format. He said that his audio version sold out and he no longer had copies on CD but could provide them in
MP3 format. I suggested making his book available through Audible allowing many others to buy it in an audio format and adding an additional source of passive income to his portfolio. That has as much to do with network marketing as this list! All the best.

Peter Donahue


locked Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Luis Difut
 

Stereo typing much do you?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 3:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

The only flaw in all of this is, often people that go through dumpsters have addiction issues and the money they collect goes to feed their habit. Ever offer a street person a meal? Some accept it, of course you have to go with them to make sure they don't go into the local liquor store. Some don't.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: November 4, 2018 11:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

The wife and I go to our local recycler maybe three or four times a year and drop off what we've accumulated. Bottles, cans, glass, cardboard, etc. Depending on how much we pile into the SUV, we may get anywhere from $25 to $40 each time. Not going to be buying Jaws or a Braille display with that.
We don't do it necessarily because of the money, but to try to be responsible citizens per say. We'll usually go out and grab lunch or whatever after with our reimbursed wealth. That said, this past year has been even less since we got a Soda Stream last year and have really cut back on buying things like mineral and regular bottled water.
There's a guy and his wife who come around the neighborhood Sunday nights and goes through the trash bins. Generally, people don't mind as long as they don't make a mess of things. We'll sometimes leave out odd ball stuff like things that can be turned in for scrap or e-waste or just stuff that we're not going to deal with and they'll take it. We certainly don't think it's steeling. I mean, everyone's just trying to make their way in life and it's not like "dumpster diving" is going to be anyone's first choice.
But to suggest that a blind person pursue this as an avenue for some sort of revenue stream is ridiculous on its face. Seriously, come on. Get real.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 10:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Heavens, my sighted daughter saves her cans and such. Giving them to her sighted friend for recycling. For which her sighted friend receives monetary compensation. Why condemn a thing which goes on all the time, I ask? When last I moved, my son got our boxes from stores which threw the ones they had no need for away. From wherever was their trash containers.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!


I found the message James was referring too. When my brother lived with us before I got married, I would get reports of him going into people's recycling box that they had put out on the curb to be picked up by the municipality and taking out the empty pop cans or beer cans . Then he would take them to a store and cash them in for money. This is how he would supplement his income. To me this is steeling. Now, having said this, we run dogs on a trail and frequently find the same things, empties. We cash them in, however, to us it is just cleaning up the environment. Especially when the amount we cashed in could not even pay for a 32 G, SD card. There was someone that would go to beaches on weekends and clean them up. She made enough money doing this each year that she could go to Hawaii every year.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Lockwood
Sent: November 3, 2018 8:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Dumpster diving? I find that offensive. If you recommend blind people go dumpster diving then you are an idiot. And I don’t care if your offended by that. Deal with it.

On Nov 3, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:

Dumster diving? Is this your sense of humour or are you actually serious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Don't Make Assumptions!

Hello again everyone,

Truthfully we've suggested a number of different ideas to different blind individuals for generating needed income to cover the cost of technologhy.
Some of these included dumpster diving,becoming certified Braille transcribers and proofreaders along with other ideas. Before writing this note I sent a message to an old schoolfriend of mine who has written a number of books one of which is in audio format. He said that his audio version sold out and he no longer had copies on CD but could provide them in
MP3 format. I suggested making his book available through Audible allowing many others to buy it in an audio format and adding an additional source of passive income to his portfolio. That has as much to do with network marketing as this list! All the best.

Peter Donahue


locked Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

David & his pack of dogs
 

Sorry your municipality is not advanced enough to give you money back for your returnables, as they are called. LOL. Here on Vancouver Island and in other communities you get money back. As for the trespassing angle, you are correct. Problem is it could be encouraged or winked at. The comment could, and has been made, "Oh, it is just ..." I don't mind someone making extra money to supplement their income, as long as it is not illegal. Or, I don't know about it. What I don't know I cannot be called to testify about. Grin.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: November 4, 2018 12:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Hi David,

If I put my pop cans or anything which I can collect money on if I bring it to the recycling centre into my recycling bin which is picked up and where I get nothing for it then it is not steeling if somebody picks out said pop cans. It is no different than if I threw the cans into the trash and somebody came by to pick them out (essentially dumpster diving). If I collect my cans in my carport in a bin so I can take them to the recycling centre once a month and somebody comes on my property and goes under my carport to grab those cans then that is steeling and, of course, trespassing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 8:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

I found the message James was referring too. When my brother lived with us before I got married, I would get reports of him going into people's recycling box that they had put out on the curb to be picked up by the municipality and taking out the empty pop cans or beer cans . Then he would take them to a store and cash them in for money. This is how he would supplement his income. To me this is steeling. Now, having said this, we run dogs on a trail and frequently find the same things, empties. We cash them in, however, to us it is just cleaning up the environment. Especially when the amount we cashed in could not even pay for a 32 G, SD card. There was someone that would go to beaches on weekends and clean them up. She made enough money doing this each year that she could go to Hawaii every year.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Lockwood
Sent: November 3, 2018 8:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Dumpster diving? I find that offensive. If you recommend blind people go dumpster diving then you are an idiot. And I don’t care if your offended by that. Deal with it.

On Nov 3, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:

Dumster diving? Is this your sense of humour or are you actually serious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Don't Make Assumptions!

Hello again everyone,

Truthfully we've suggested a number of different ideas to different blind individuals for generating needed income to cover the cost of technologhy. Some of these included dumpster diving,becoming certified Braille transcribers and proofreaders along with other ideas. Before writing this note I sent a message to an old schoolfriend of mine who has written a number of books one of which is in audio format. He said that his audio version sold out and he no longer had copies on CD but could provide them in MP3 format. I suggested making his book available through Audible allowing many others to buy it in an audio format and adding an additional source of passive income to his portfolio. That has as much to do with network marketing as this list! All the best.

Peter Donahue


locked Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

David & his pack of dogs
 

The only flaw in all of this is, often people that go through dumpsters have addiction issues and the money they collect goes to feed their habit. Ever offer a street person a meal? Some accept it, of course you have to go with them to make sure they don't go into the local liquor store. Some don't.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: November 4, 2018 11:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

The wife and I go to our local recycler maybe three or four times a year and drop off what we've accumulated. Bottles, cans, glass, cardboard, etc. Depending on how much we pile into the SUV, we may get anywhere from $25 to $40 each time. Not going to be buying Jaws or a Braille display with that.
We don't do it necessarily because of the money, but to try to be responsible citizens per say. We'll usually go out and grab lunch or whatever after with our reimbursed wealth. That said, this past year has been even less since we got a Soda Stream last year and have really cut back on buying things like mineral and regular bottled water.
There's a guy and his wife who come around the neighborhood Sunday nights and goes through the trash bins. Generally, people don't mind as long as they don't make a mess of things. We'll sometimes leave out odd ball stuff like things that can be turned in for scrap or e-waste or just stuff that we're not going to deal with and they'll take it. We certainly don't think it's steeling. I mean, everyone's just trying to make their way in life and it's not like "dumpster diving" is going to be anyone's first choice.
But to suggest that a blind person pursue this as an avenue for some sort of revenue stream is ridiculous on its face. Seriously, come on. Get real.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 10:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Heavens, my sighted daughter saves her cans and such. Giving them to her sighted friend for recycling. For which her sighted friend receives monetary compensation. Why condemn a thing which goes on all the time, I ask? When last I moved, my son got our boxes from stores which threw the ones they had no need for away. From wherever was their trash containers.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!


I found the message James was referring too. When my brother lived with us before I got married, I would get reports of him going into people's recycling box that they had put out on the curb to be picked up by the municipality and taking out the empty pop cans or beer cans . Then he would take them to a store and cash them in for money. This is how he would supplement his income. To me this is steeling. Now, having said this, we run dogs on a trail and frequently find the same things, empties. We cash them in, however, to us it is just cleaning up the environment. Especially when the amount we cashed in could not even pay for a 32 G, SD card. There was someone that would go to beaches on weekends and clean them up. She made enough money doing this each year that she could go to Hawaii every year.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Lockwood
Sent: November 3, 2018 8:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Dumpster diving? I find that offensive. If you recommend blind people go dumpster diving then you are an idiot. And I don’t care if your offended by that. Deal with it.

On Nov 3, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:

Dumster diving? Is this your sense of humour or are you actually serious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Don't Make Assumptions!

Hello again everyone,

Truthfully we've suggested a number of different ideas to different blind individuals for generating needed income to cover the cost of technologhy.
Some of these included dumpster diving,becoming certified Braille transcribers and proofreaders along with other ideas. Before writing this note I sent a message to an old schoolfriend of mine who has written a number of books one of which is in audio format. He said that his audio version sold out and he no longer had copies on CD but could provide them in
MP3 format. I suggested making his book available through Audible allowing many others to buy it in an audio format and adding an additional source of passive income to his portfolio. That has as much to do with network marketing as this list! All the best.

Peter Donahue


locked Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

 

Hi David,

If I put my pop cans or anything which I can collect money on if I bring it to the recycling centre into my recycling bin which is picked up and where I get nothing for it then it is not steeling if somebody picks out said pop cans. It is no different than if I threw the cans into the trash and somebody came by to pick them out (essentially dumpster diving). If I collect my cans in my carport in a bin so I can take them to the recycling centre once a month and somebody comes on my property and goes under my carport to grab those cans then that is steeling and, of course, trespassing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 8:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

I found the message James was referring too. When my brother lived with us before I got married, I would get reports of him going into people's recycling box that they had put out on the curb to be picked up by the municipality and taking out the empty pop cans or beer cans . Then he would take them to a store and cash them in for money. This is how he would supplement his income. To me this is steeling. Now, having said this, we run dogs on a trail and frequently find the same things, empties. We cash them in, however, to us it is just cleaning up the environment. Especially when the amount we cashed in could not even pay for a 32 G, SD card. There was someone that would go to beaches on weekends and clean them up. She made enough money doing this each year that she could go to Hawaii every year.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Lockwood
Sent: November 3, 2018 8:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Dumpster diving? I find that offensive. If you recommend blind people go dumpster diving then you are an idiot. And I don’t care if your offended by that. Deal with it.

On Nov 3, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:

Dumster diving? Is this your sense of humour or are you actually serious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Don't Make Assumptions!

Hello again everyone,

Truthfully we've suggested a number of different ideas to different blind individuals for generating needed income to cover the cost of technologhy. Some of these included dumpster diving,becoming certified Braille transcribers and proofreaders along with other ideas. Before writing this note I sent a message to an old schoolfriend of mine who has written a number of books one of which is in audio format. He said that his audio version sold out and he no longer had copies on CD but could provide them in MP3 format. I suggested making his book available through Audible allowing many others to buy it in an audio format and adding an additional source of passive income to his portfolio. That has as much to do with network marketing as this list! All the best.

Peter Donahue


locked Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Cristóbal
 

The wife and I go to our local recycler maybe three or four times a year and drop off what we've accumulated. Bottles, cans, glass, cardboard, etc. Depending on how much we pile into the SUV, we may get anywhere from $25 to $40 each time. Not going to be buying Jaws or a Braille display with that.
We don't do it necessarily because of the money, but to try to be responsible citizens per say. We'll usually go out and grab lunch or whatever after with our reimbursed wealth. That said, this past year has been even less since we got a Soda Stream last year and have really cut back on buying things like mineral and regular bottled water.
There's a guy and his wife who come around the neighborhood Sunday nights and goes through the trash bins. Generally, people don't mind as long as they don't make a mess of things. We'll sometimes leave out odd ball stuff like things that can be turned in for scrap or e-waste or just stuff that we're not going to deal with and they'll take it. We certainly don't think it's steeling. I mean, everyone's just trying to make their way in life and it's not like "dumpster diving" is going to be anyone's first choice.
But to suggest that a blind person pursue this as an avenue for some sort of revenue stream is ridiculous on its face. Seriously, come on. Get real.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 10:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Heavens, my sighted daughter saves her cans and such. Giving them to her sighted friend for recycling. For which her sighted friend receives monetary compensation. Why condemn a thing which goes on all the time, I ask? When last I moved, my son got our boxes from stores which threw the ones they had no need for away. From wherever was their trash containers.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!


I found the message James was referring too. When my brother lived with us before I got married, I would get reports of him going into people's recycling box that they had put out on the curb to be picked up by the municipality and taking out the empty pop cans or beer cans . Then he would take them to a store and cash them in for money. This is how he would supplement his income. To me this is steeling. Now, having said this, we run dogs on a trail and frequently find the same things, empties. We cash them in, however, to us it is just cleaning up the environment. Especially when the amount we cashed in could not even pay for a 32 G, SD card. There was someone that would go to beaches on weekends and clean them up. She made enough money doing this each year that she could go to Hawaii every year.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Lockwood
Sent: November 3, 2018 8:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Dumpster diving? I find that offensive. If you recommend blind people go dumpster diving then you are an idiot. And I don’t care if your offended by that. Deal with it.

On Nov 3, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:

Dumster diving? Is this your sense of humour or are you actually serious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Don't Make Assumptions!

Hello again everyone,

Truthfully we've suggested a number of different ideas to different blind individuals for generating needed income to cover the cost of technologhy.
Some of these included dumpster diving,becoming certified Braille transcribers and proofreaders along with other ideas. Before writing this note I sent a message to an old schoolfriend of mine who has written a number of books one of which is in audio format. He said that his audio version sold out and he no longer had copies on CD but could provide them in
MP3 format. I suggested making his book available through Audible allowing many others to buy it in an audio format and adding an additional source of passive income to his portfolio. That has as much to do with network marketing as this list! All the best.

Peter Donahue


summary of new JAWS needed

Sandra Streeter
 

Hello,
 
I’ve been bypassing all the recent posts about JAWS 19, the new purchasing options, etc., because I still thought it would be prohibitive for me, and because I worried that, as often happens, there were bugs to be ironed out before it was really ready for prime-time. However, I did, just for grins, stop at one recent part of the thread that made a subscription sound not-so-daunting for me (since I am not currently working, every penny counts). So, off-list, could someone please summarize the following for me, to help with my decision? thanks:
 
\1. What are the new perks for JAWS 19—I currently am running 2016, which is why it seems possibly appropriate to upgrade;
 
2. Remind me of the upgrade process—again, I have not upgraded since 2016; I may have some installs left, or maybe just one, because I used it for a work eval several months ago.
 
\3. The subscription cost, in total, would be $90.00 per year—breaking down to approximately $7.00 monthly, correct?
 
4. If any, what bugs are evident, at this point? Any work-arounds?
 
 
Sandra
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Re: Can scripts be made for particular websites?

 

Who have you used for scripting?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 3:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Can scripts be made for particular websites?

 

I have tried to get through to the developers for this but sales and support seem to be shielding them. I had told support many times how important keyboard access is but the message never made it or it fell on deaf ears. Since I was able to have scripts to fix the desk top version they probibly figure I should be able to do it again.

I don‘T know of any laws with respect to private companies and accessibility of their products.

 

I am having a devil of a time trying to get the scripter that worked on the last version to even look at it to see if it can be done. I have asked him three times how much the evaluation would cost and he wont answer me. I need to know if i can use it asap. The renewal is time sensitive. 


On Nov 2, 2018, at 10:11 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

I have the same issue with the Payroll service I use for my business. In order to process the payroll everybody's hours need to be entered in a grid and Jaws also sees the entire grid as a single item or something like that. I mentioned to my rep there that I'd like to speak to somebody about accessibility and point out some of these difficulties and about a week later I got an email from one of their top people who asked if I would be available 3 days from that time for a conference call where he was going to have some of the web developers who maintain the site available to have a look. I showed them my screen and how difficult/impossible it was to do this and they consequently thanked me and asked if I would be willing to test this for them if they made changes. They also were hoping to contact Vispero to get some guidance on what they would need to do. I was very pleasantly surprised by their responsiveness and willingness to try and improve this, it won't happen over ight, but it's definitely a step in the right direction.

Have you tried to contact the company whose service/application this is? I thought there are also laws in the US as far as accessibility is concerned.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 7:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Can scripts be made for particular websites?

 

Hello,

 

I am kind of in a bind. The time collection program we use here at work is no longer going to be supported on the desk top version. I had scripts developed for this version but now they are moving to the web platform.

At best I think the site is poorley written. It is entirely  possible that I don’t have all the skills to work with this site but I have found several unlabled elements, The virtual curser treats the lines in a grid as one continuous line to be read instead of individual elements, and there are bound to be more things I haven’t found yet.

If I contact the rehab agency here to help can it even be done? Can a script be written for a web application?

Or am I out of luck?

Thanks

Shannon


Re: Can scripts be made for particular websites?

 

I use a company called Payworks, but I think they are Canadian only.

They are also not keeping track of time/hours, we do that through our Point of Sales system which has a time clock which is super simple to use, an employee comes to work, they walk up to the cash register computer, press Control+Shift+F4 which is the shortcut key for the Time Clock, they enter their 2-digit clerk number, their 4-digit PIN and press enter, the program display "Punch In" and they press enter once more and that's it.

If they leave for lunch or are done for the day, they repeat these steps, once somebody is punched in the next time you do this you only have the option to "Punch Out", you press enter and it's done.

Whenever I need to process my payroll I press Alt+R in the Manager module of the software for Reports, I arrow to the right group of reports, select the Time Clock Report and then I select my filter which is "Time In", I tab a few times to the start date, adjust it to reflect the first day of this pay period, then I tab once and set the end date (2 weeks later since I pay every 2 weeks, 26 annual pay periods) and then I click OK. I get a report which shows each employee, their total hours and a detailed list of each day in the time period I selected and when they punched in and out. I click on Export and save this as a CSV file which I can then open in Excel to take a closer look if I want.

On the Payworks website we only click on Process Payroll, select "Grid View" which brings up the grid of employees and enter each employees hours. For us it's straight forward, there is of course a spot for overtime hours and all that, but for me it's always just regular hours, every so often when there is a holiday I have to put 8 hours into that spot for employees who are full-time and qualify for holiday pay and of course if somebody wants to be paid out some of their vacation pay we have to enter an amount in that field.

This grid at this point is not accessible, it will be interesting to see if my conversation and demo will bring about a change at some point in the next 3 to 6 months which I think would be a reasonable time period where I could expect something if they are indeed serious about this.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 3:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Can scripts be made for particular websites?

 

What program are you working with? This is also a payroll program.


On Nov 2, 2018, at 10:11 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

I have the same issue with the Payroll service I use for my business. In order to process the payroll everybody's hours need to be entered in a grid and Jaws also sees the entire grid as a single item or something like that. I mentioned to my rep there that I'd like to speak to somebody about accessibility and point out some of these difficulties and about a week later I got an email from one of their top people who asked if I would be available 3 days from that time for a conference call where he was going to have some of the web developers who maintain the site available to have a look. I showed them my screen and how difficult/impossible it was to do this and they consequently thanked me and asked if I would be willing to test this for them if they made changes. They also were hoping to contact Vispero to get some guidance on what they would need to do. I was very pleasantly surprised by their responsiveness and willingness to try and improve this, it won't happen over ight, but it's definitely a step in the right direction.

Have you tried to contact the company whose service/application this is? I thought there are also laws in the US as far as accessibility is concerned.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 7:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Can scripts be made for particular websites?

 

Hello,

 

I am kind of in a bind. The time collection program we use here at work is no longer going to be supported on the desk top version. I had scripts developed for this version but now they are moving to the web platform.

At best I think the site is poorley written. It is entirely  possible that I don’t have all the skills to work with this site but I have found several unlabled elements, The virtual curser treats the lines in a grid as one continuous line to be read instead of individual elements, and there are bound to be more things I haven’t found yet.

If I contact the rehab agency here to help can it even be done? Can a script be written for a web application?

Or am I out of luck?

Thanks

Shannon


locked Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

 

Hi David,

The subscription price was mentioned several times, it will be $90 a year which works out to $7.50 a month.
The reason why Vispero is introducing this model is primarily so that people who are way behind on versions older than Jaws 16 can obtain Jaws 2019, the latest release, which is needed if they want to upgrade to Windows 10. I am sure there are a lot of people who still use Windows 7 and will continue to do so for years, but no computer lasts forever and while I assume you can wipe out a Windows 10 installation on a new computer and reinstall Windows 7, this also will only work to a point. In a year or two Windows 7 will receive no further security updates and it would be very risky at that point to continue to use it.

Currently if somebody is on Jaws 14, 15 or even 16 it would cost hundreds of Dollars for them to get Jaws 2019, with the subscription plan it would cost them $90 and they then continue to pay this and will be entitled to always have the latest Jaws release.

You have to remember that this is where the world is going. Office, for example, used to cost $400 or so and while you could happily use each Office version for 5 or 6 years or even longer, most people now use the subscription option of Office 365. An individual annual subscription costs I believe $59 a year and you can install the full Office suite on up to 6 computers with that, you also get 1 Tb of OneDrive storage included and 60 Skype calling minutes month. I admit that for many the Skype minutes may not be of much interest, but if you use online storage than that $60 is half of what a Dropbox plan costs for the same 1 Tb. Also, if you are a family of 2, 3 or 4 people you can get the Home subscription for Office for $99 and this gives each person of the family group the same 1 Tb of storage and the license to install Office on up to 6 devices. Even for a 2-person household this then drops the cost to $49/person and Microsoft has made this truly affordable.

Another example of subscription based licensing are password managers. I know there are some free ones, but all the good ones I know of are available for an annual subscription price which gives you the license for the software and it includes the ability to use them on multiple devices with the data usually stored online.

At this point Vispero continues to offer existing Jaws users the option to buy an SMA covering two major releases of Jaws for $120 which basically works out to $60 a year or $5 a month. This is of course cheaper than the $90 subscription, but I think it is quite possible that this is a transition period and that in a few years all Jaws licenses are only available via subscription. First of all I can't even remember when Jaws has last increased the price for the SMA and ultimately everything gets more expensive since that is how the economy works. Such a model makes Jaws affordable to the vast majority of users both existing and new, it is beneficial for Vispero as it generates a regular revenue stream and it means everybody is always on the latest version which I assume helps greatly with tech support since now they don't have to try to resolve issues when people call in with a version that is 5 years out of date. I for one applaud this move and think it's a good move which ultimately benefits the most people and I am not really upset if in 2 or 3 years my annual cost goes up from $60 to $90, as I said, at some point Vispero would have to raise the cost of the SMA to keep up with inflation and rising costs so I think it's just fine.
One thing I hope is that such a subscription based model will eventually be offered world wide because I am in Canada where I couldn't even sign up for it even if I wanted. Here the cost for Jaws is still reasonable even though Jaws is sold by a third-party distributor, but in European countries such as Germany both the initial purchase price of Jaws and the price for SMA's is probably 40% or 50% higher than what is being charged in the US and Canada. A subscription model could easily be adjusted for currency but I would expect to pay essentially whatever $90 is in my local currency whether it's Canadian Dollars, Euros, Australian Dollars etc. This could be adjusted once a year to adjust for currency fluctuations, but it would be fair.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 1:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology




-----Original Message-----
From: Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@...>
Sent: Nov 3, 2018 7:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

Really though... Who's not down for a good prosperity gospel, megachurch, private jet, donate now sermon every now and then?

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

Although I do think Kelly's message was a little over the top, I would not go as far to say Kelly was labeling people. I think Dan Longmore's message was based on the fact that, a nerve was touched. We should stay away from the label of being judgmental just because we are a Christian. After all, statistics have repeatedly shown that a lot of wars were started in the name of Christianity which is not what Jesus Christ preached. Time, I think to get to other matters rather then slinging mud at each other. In the name of fairness, perhaps Peter could clarify what exactly he does. Honestly, if that was done it could negate a lot of negative posts and claims of being judgmental or being called God.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: November 3, 2018 4:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

Ok, let's stop labeling people and making assumptions. As a Pastor and Christian I find your message quite judgmental. Your experience may cause you to feel that way, and I respect that but labeling all in a group is wrong. Let's stick to the purpose of this group, using JAWS.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 7:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

it sounds like Peter is trying to covertly pitch a network marketing scheme. Network marketers are like religious proselytizers. their offer is shady and they act like parasites.

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On 11/3/18, Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@...> wrote:
Yes, I agree, pricing is now within reach of many moore people. I
forget at times that development and on going updates takes qualified
people and that costs dollars.

Dan



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Man, I don’t want to be a Debbie downer, but no, this doesn’t’ sound
sketchy at all…

As far as the cost of blindness related technology.

While prices for some stuff can still be eye watering, the trend has
indeed gone down. Vispero’s new pricing model being the most recent
example of that. Despite Gerald’s reflexive “The Sky is Falling”, I’m
sure the Vispero folks scratch padded their new structure and after
all their number crunching, they must have been satisfied enough to go
forward. Just spitballing, $90 a month as opposed to one shot deals of
$900 with $60 yearly SMAs after that may give them a more solid and
consistent revenue stream. Let folks catch up and give even other
people the chance to dip their toes into the Jaws world and probably
end up retaining a lot of them when it comes time to renew.

Who knows, maybe between NVDA’s improvements and Microsoft’s Narrator
push, this was the competition that was necessary to finally break
down that initial price barrier for acquiring Jaws.

Newer and cheaper Braille displays are on the market, OCR solutions
aren’t only confined to K1000 anymore. I mean, you could get by with
the KNFBReader Windows app that cost $20. ABBY FineReader too. This
isn’t even mentioning the iOS/mobile stuff.

Stuff sure isn’t suddenly cheap, but man, it’s not how it used to be
before where unless you had access to a governmental program, had a
family well off enough to pay for it, maybe pawned off your soul to
get financing to buy a piece of tech or could play with it until you
graduated out of school you were more or less straight out of luck.



Cristóbal



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Kevin
Meyers
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 2:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Peter,



I would like to talk to you about how you and your wife generate
additional income. I would have sent this email directly to you and
couldn’t find it it in the string of emails.



How about sending me a email to kevinmeyers@...
<mailto:kevinmeyers@...> .



Cheers,



Kevin



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 10:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Good morning everyone,



In compliance with one of our parent company's rules
of conduct and a wish not to clutter up the list with unwanted banquet
if you want additional information please contact me privately.
Several folks here have already done that. We'll be meeting with one of them this afternoon.
All the best.



Peter Donahue







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Gimmy some of that special sauce.


On Nov 2, 2018, at 8:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard
<mailto:@Sieghard> > wrote:

Hi Peter,



Could you be just a little bit more specific, what you say is pretty
vague like "Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional income streams"
and "Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago".

What business idea was shared with you? Can you give just some rough
examples of some of these potential income streams? Just curious.

I once read some posts on a different list where somebody was setting
up Go Fund Me campagnes asking for money to buy stuff, hopefully your
"business idea" is di



ferent because to me that is little different from begging. Online
fund raising just as traditional fund raising for a specific purpose
where maybe a family's home burned down or the primary bread winner of
the family was seriously hurt or killed in an accident is fine and I
have often contributed to such fund raisers. But nowadays when you
look at Go Fund Me or other such sites where people beg for money
because they want to go on vacation or because they can't afford
something they want then I certainly wouldn't give them a single
Penny. Once a very very long time ago when I was very young I fell for
one of these get rich schemes with real estate. I happened to hear
this infomercial about this guy who was just itching to share with
everybody how you can get rich in less than a year buy buying real
estate and he showed off all these happy people who bought his
tutorial for $199 which was only $99 if you acted now and on and on.
Of course it came with a full money back guaranty and naiive as I was
I ordered it. It ended up being like a dozen CD's where he went on and
on saying nothing and repeating himself and it was a complete waste of
time and money. I called to get my money back but of course because of
some condition I forgot I didn't qualify, basically guys like that are like the old snakeoil sales people who sell a cure for something and the only thing it cures is their own wallet.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Good morning everyone,



A lot of blind people also choose not to create income
streams to generate the money to self-fund whatever blindness products
and services they need. Mary and I have many ideas for generating
additional income streams. We have heard nothing but excuses from
blind people we tried to reach out to to help them improve their
financial situation. Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us
years ago this past January we were able to buy the latest upgrade of
Jaws for Windows, the Dusbury Braille Translator, and my wife Mary
bought herself a Braille-Edge 40 without seeking help from rehab thank
you



Let me shut down some other rubbish that has come upon
other lists on which we shared these accomplishments. Recall above
that we said we're willing to help others accomplish what we have done
to be better positioned to meet the costs of blindness products and
services only to be told we were braggers, and were called many other names I won't repeat.
Braggers don't reach out to help others improve their financial
situation. I hate to say it but those with such mindsets and who do
nothing but complain about the high cost of blindness products and
services without being willing to do something about it have created
their own problems. While it's true society doesn't always have the
best attitude towards the blind the blind themselves are also
responsible for their lack of financial resources if opportunities are placed in their laps and they fail to get on board.



I also want to commend VFO for it's new pricing and
authorization scheme. They have done something to make it easier for
blind people to buy their products. It's now up to blind individuals
to seek out opportunities to develop the needed income streams so they
can buy whatever VFO product they need without having to turn to rehab
for help. Again Mary and I stand ready to assist anyone wishing to
follow our lead so they can do what we've accomplished. All the best.



Peter Donahue







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the
least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years. Has
Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people don't
have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or receive
our JAWS from agencies?





Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@... <mailto:lucky1inct@...>

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~


On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a
lot. With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year. But if
the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year
and it goes up from there. What is the purpose of this?



Stew



On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.



It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.



Is this correct?



I do have one concern, though.



$90 a year doesn t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in
2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the
license by December 31.



Am I missing something?



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



from the fs e store.



https://store.freedomscientific.com/
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21x-usc:https://store.freedomscientific.com/>




From: Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@...>

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Michael:



Where did you get this info?



I m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.



I d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options
if possible.



Thanks for the help!



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Michael
Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



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rison>


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your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and
activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of
your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same
email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already
registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive
and sign in your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal,
non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions
of the Windows operating system. Refer



From: Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@...>

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

To: 'jfw list' <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Hello, everyone.



I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can t seem to find a
nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that
apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.



Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do
something to renew it at some point.



Up until now, I ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for $120.



If there now is a more economical way to do this, I d certainly love
to learn about it.



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan



























I have a short question? If you already own a product and you are satisfied, why would you want or need to pay for an item based on subscription? What is the point unless you want to keep up with the updates, and or you don't have the money to pay for upgrades every two years. No one has mentioned the price of this annual subscription. Could someone please provide this information?


locked Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Angel
 

Heavens, my sighted daughter saves her cans and such. Giving them to her sighted friend for recycling. For which her sighted friend receives monetary compensation. Why condemn a thing which goes on all the time, I ask? When last I moved, my son got our boxes from stores which threw the ones they had no need for away. From wherever was their trash containers.

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To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!


I found the message James was referring too. When my brother lived with us before I got married, I would get reports of him going into people's recycling box that they had put out on the curb to be picked up by the municipality and taking out the empty pop cans or beer cans . Then he would take them to a store and cash them in for money. This is how he would supplement his income. To me this is steeling. Now, having said this, we run dogs on a trail and frequently find the same things, empties. We cash them in, however, to us it is just cleaning up the environment. Especially when the amount we cashed in could not even pay for a 32 G, SD card. There was someone that would go to beaches on weekends and clean them up. She made enough money doing this each year that she could go to Hawaii every year.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Lockwood
Sent: November 3, 2018 8:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Dumpster diving? I find that offensive. If you recommend blind people go dumpster diving then you are an idiot. And I don’t care if your offended by that. Deal with it.

On Nov 3, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:

Dumster diving? Is this your sense of humour or are you actually serious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Don't Make Assumptions!

Hello again everyone,

Truthfully we've suggested a number of different ideas to different blind individuals for generating needed income to cover the cost of technologhy. Some of these included dumpster diving,becoming certified Braille transcribers and proofreaders along with other ideas. Before writing this note I sent a message to an old schoolfriend of mine who has written a number of books one of which is in audio format. He said that his audio version sold out and he no longer had copies on CD but could provide them in MP3 format. I suggested making his book available through Audible allowing many others to buy it in an audio format and adding an additional source of passive income to his portfolio. That has as much to do with network marketing as this list! All the best.

Peter Donahue


locked Re: Commitment

Robbie Curtis
 

Hi Peter,


I am interested in knowing about the income streams in which you speak.  Please email me with this information.

On 11/4/2018 10:02 AM, Peter Donahue wrote:
Good morning everyone,

Evasiveness, Persistency and most of all commitment work! We have a Braille-Edge 40, Duxbury, and the latest version of Jaws For Windows to prove it! This is just scratching the surface. And since covering the cost of assistive technology such as Jaws is important to the blind it seems like some brainstorming is in order.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 9:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

Dan,

I appreciate your commitment to your faith and the work you do. I did
not have in mind Christians in general or evangelicals. the latter is
occasionally ridiculed for their style of religious teaching. Peter's
evasiveness and persistence reminds me specifically of Jehovah's
Witnesses at the train station. Few can actually describe their faith
accurately and prospects are pursued vigorously.

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On 11/3/18, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:
Hi Kelly,

We don't always agree, but here I totally agree with you. So far Peter
hasn't said anything which would inspire confidence in me to even want to
talk to him. I wonder if there is also a Paul in his team? You know, Peter
Paul and Mary *smile*.
All I can say to those who contact him is to be critical regarding what he
is trying to sell you.

Regards,
Sieghard



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 4:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

it sounds like Peter is trying to covertly pitch a network marketing scheme.
Network marketers are like religious proselytizers. their offer is shady and
they act like parasites.

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On 11/3/18, Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@...> wrote:
Yes, I agree, pricing is now within reach of many moore people. I
forget at times that development and on going updates takes qualified
people and that costs dollars.

Dan



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Man, I don’t want to be a Debbie downer, but no, this doesn’t’ sound
sketchy at all…

As far as the cost of blindness related technology.

While prices for some stuff can still be eye watering, the trend has
indeed gone down. Vispero’s new pricing model being the most recent
example of that. Despite Gerald’s reflexive “The Sky is Falling”, I’m
sure the Vispero folks scratch padded their new structure and after
all their number crunching, they must have been satisfied enough to go
forward. Just spitballing, $90 a month as opposed to one shot deals of
$900 with $60 yearly SMAs after that may give them a more solid and
consistent revenue stream. Let folks catch up and give even other
people the chance to dip their toes into the Jaws world and probably
end up retaining a lot of them when it comes time to renew.

Who knows, maybe between NVDA’s improvements and Microsoft’s Narrator
push, this was the competition that was necessary to finally break
down that initial price barrier for acquiring Jaws.

Newer and cheaper Braille displays are on the market, OCR solutions
aren’t only confined to K1000 anymore. I mean, you could get by with
the KNFBReader Windows app that cost $20. ABBY FineReader too. This
isn’t even mentioning the iOS/mobile stuff.

Stuff sure isn’t suddenly cheap, but man, it’s not how it used to be
before where unless you had access to a governmental program, had a
family well off enough to pay for it, maybe pawned off your soul to
get financing to buy a piece of tech or could play with it until you
graduated out of school you were more or less straight out of luck.



Cristóbal



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Kevin
Meyers
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 2:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Peter,



I would like to talk to you about how you and your wife generate
additional income. I would have sent this email directly to you and
couldn’t find it it in the string of emails.



How about sending me a email to kevinmeyers@...
<mailto:kevinmeyers@...> .



Cheers,



Kevin



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 10:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Good morning everyone,



In compliance with one of our parent company's rules
of conduct and a wish not to clutter up the list with unwanted banquet
if you want additional information please contact me privately.
Several folks here have already done that. We'll be meeting with one of
them this afternoon.
All the best.



Peter Donahue







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Gimmy some of that special sauce.


On Nov 2, 2018, at 8:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard
<mailto:@Sieghard> > wrote:

Hi Peter,



Could you be just a little bit more specific, what you say is pretty
vague like "Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional income
streams"
and "Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago".

What business idea was shared with you? Can you give just some rough
examples of some of these potential income streams? Just curious.

I once read some posts on a different list where somebody was setting
up Go Fund Me campagnes asking for money to buy stuff, hopefully your
"business idea" is di



ferent because to me that is little different from begging. Online
fund raising just as traditional fund raising for a specific purpose
where maybe a family's home burned down or the primary bread winner of
the family was seriously hurt or killed in an accident is fine and I
have often contributed to such fund raisers. But nowadays when you
look at Go Fund Me or other such sites where people beg for money
because they want to go on vacation or because they can't afford
something they want then I certainly wouldn't give them a single
Penny. Once a very very long time ago when I was very young I fell for
one of these get rich schemes with real estate. I happened to hear
this infomercial about this guy who was just itching to share with
everybody how you can get rich in less than a year buy buying real
estate and he showed off all these happy people who bought his
tutorial for $199 which was only $99 if you acted now and on and on.
Of course it came with a full money back guaranty and naiive as I was
I ordered it. It ended up being like a dozen CD's where he went on and
on saying nothing and repeating himself and it was a complete waste of
time and money. I called to get my money back but of course because of
some condition I forgot I didn't qualify, basically guys like that are
like the old snakeoil sales people who sell a cure for something and the
only thing it cures is their own wallet.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Good morning everyone,



A lot of blind people also choose not to create income
streams to generate the money to self-fund whatever blindness products
and services they need. Mary and I have many ideas for generating
additional income streams. We have heard nothing but excuses from
blind people we tried to reach out to to help them improve their
financial situation. Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us
years ago this past January we were able to buy the latest upgrade of
Jaws for Windows, the Dusbury Braille Translator, and my wife Mary
bought herself a Braille-Edge 40 without seeking help from rehab thank
you



Let me shut down some other rubbish that has come upon
other lists on which we shared these accomplishments. Recall above
that we said we're willing to help others accomplish what we have done
to be better positioned to meet the costs of blindness products and
services only to be told we were braggers, and were called many other
names I won't repeat.
Braggers don't reach out to help others improve their financial
situation. I hate to say it but those with such mindsets and who do
nothing but complain about the high cost of blindness products and
services without being willing to do something about it have created
their own problems. While it's true society doesn't always have the
best attitude towards the blind the blind themselves are also
responsible for their lack of financial resources if opportunities are
placed in their laps and they fail to get on board.



I also want to commend VFO for it's new pricing and
authorization scheme. They have done something to make it easier for
blind people to buy their products. It's now up to blind individuals
to seek out opportunities to develop the needed income streams so they
can buy whatever VFO product they need without having to turn to rehab
for help. Again Mary and I stand ready to assist anyone wishing to
follow our lead so they can do what we've accomplished. All the best.



Peter Donahue







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the
least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years. Has
Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people don't
have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or receive
our JAWS from agencies?





Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@... <mailto:lucky1inct@...>

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~


On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a
lot. With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year. But if
the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year
and it goes up from there. What is the purpose of this?



Stew



On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.



It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.



Is this correct?



I do have one concern, though.



$90 a year doesn t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in
2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the
license by December 31.



Am I missing something?



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



from the fs e store.



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From: Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@...>

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Michael:



Where did you get this info?



I m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.



I d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options
if possible.



Thanks for the help!



Tom Behler





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Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
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From: Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@...>

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

To: 'jfw list' <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Hello, everyone.



I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can t seem to find a
nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that
apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.



Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do
something to renew it at some point.



Up until now, I ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for
$120.



If there now is a more economical way to do this, I d certainly love
to learn about it.



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan






















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locked Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Don H
 

When I was involved in one of the National Blind Organizations I would get involved in maybe providing some support to those blind who happen to be low income.  Of course being low income did not mean they were not spending hundreds of dollars a month on smoking and drinking.  Then there was that large screen on the wall with 150 cable channels.  Seems to be a matter of prioritiees in some cases when you don't have money to purchase something.


locked Re: Commitment

Bill White
 

To me, evasiveness is an attribute of dishonesty, not a character trait to be promoted.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 7:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Commitment

Evasiveness, Persistency and most of all commitment work! This is just scratching the surface. And since covering the cost of assistive technology such as Jaws is important to the blind it seems like some brainstorming is in order.

Peter Donahue

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: November 4, 2018 7:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Commitment



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 9:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

Dan,

I appreciate your commitment to your faith and the work you do. I did not have in mind Christians in general or evangelicals. the latter is occasionally ridiculed for their style of religious teaching. Peter's evasiveness and persistence reminds me specifically of Jehovah's Witnesses at the train station. Few can actually describe their faith accurately and prospects are pursued vigorously.

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On 11/3/18, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:
Hi Kelly,

We don't always agree, but here I totally agree with you. So far Peter
hasn't said anything which would inspire confidence in me to even want
to talk to him. I wonder if there is also a Paul in his team? You
know, Peter Paul and Mary *smile*.
All I can say to those who contact him is to be critical regarding
what he is trying to sell you.

Regards,
Sieghard



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kelly
Pierce
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 4:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

it sounds like Peter is trying to covertly pitch a network marketing scheme.
Network marketers are like religious proselytizers. their offer is
shady and they act like parasites.

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On 11/3/18, Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@...> wrote:
Yes, I agree, pricing is now within reach of many moore people. I
forget at times that development and on going updates takes qualified
people and that costs dollars.

Dan



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Man, I don’t want to be a Debbie downer, but no, this doesn’t’ sound
sketchy at all…

As far as the cost of blindness related technology.

While prices for some stuff can still be eye watering, the trend has
indeed gone down. Vispero’s new pricing model being the most recent
example of that. Despite Gerald’s reflexive “The Sky is Falling”, I’m
sure the Vispero folks scratch padded their new structure and after
all their number crunching, they must have been satisfied enough to
go forward. Just spitballing, $90 a month as opposed to one shot
deals of
$900 with $60 yearly SMAs after that may give them a more solid and
consistent revenue stream. Let folks catch up and give even other
people the chance to dip their toes into the Jaws world and probably
end up retaining a lot of them when it comes time to renew.

Who knows, maybe between NVDA’s improvements and Microsoft’s Narrator
push, this was the competition that was necessary to finally break
down that initial price barrier for acquiring Jaws.

Newer and cheaper Braille displays are on the market, OCR solutions
aren’t only confined to K1000 anymore. I mean, you could get by with
the KNFBReader Windows app that cost $20. ABBY FineReader too. This
isn’t even mentioning the iOS/mobile stuff.

Stuff sure isn’t suddenly cheap, but man, it’s not how it used to be
before where unless you had access to a governmental program, had a
family well off enough to pay for it, maybe pawned off your soul to
get financing to buy a piece of tech or could play with it until you
graduated out of school you were more or less straight out of luck.



Cristóbal



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Kevin
Meyers
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 2:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Peter,



I would like to talk to you about how you and your wife generate
additional income. I would have sent this email directly to you and
couldn’t find it it in the string of emails.



How about sending me a email to kevinmeyers@...
<mailto:kevinmeyers@...> .



Cheers,



Kevin



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 10:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Good morning everyone,



In compliance with one of our parent company's rules
of conduct and a wish not to clutter up the list with unwanted
banquet if you want additional information please contact me privately.
Several folks here have already done that. We'll be meeting with one
of them this afternoon.
All the best.



Peter Donahue







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Gimmy some of that special sauce.


On Nov 2, 2018, at 8:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard
<mailto:@Sieghard> > wrote:

Hi Peter,



Could you be just a little bit more specific, what you say is pretty
vague like "Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional
income streams"
and "Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago".

What business idea was shared with you? Can you give just some rough
examples of some of these potential income streams? Just curious.

I once read some posts on a different list where somebody was setting
up Go Fund Me campagnes asking for money to buy stuff, hopefully your
"business idea" is di



ferent because to me that is little different from begging. Online
fund raising just as traditional fund raising for a specific purpose
where maybe a family's home burned down or the primary bread winner
of the family was seriously hurt or killed in an accident is fine
and I have often contributed to such fund raisers. But nowadays when
you look at Go Fund Me or other such sites where people beg for money
because they want to go on vacation or because they can't afford
something they want then I certainly wouldn't give them a single
Penny. Once a very very long time ago when I was very young I fell
for one of these get rich schemes with real estate. I happened to
hear this infomercial about this guy who was just itching to share
with everybody how you can get rich in less than a year buy buying
real estate and he showed off all these happy people who bought his
tutorial for $199 which was only $99 if you acted now and on and on.
Of course it came with a full money back guaranty and naiive as I was
I ordered it. It ended up being like a dozen CD's where he went on
and on saying nothing and repeating himself and it was a complete
waste of time and money. I called to get my money back but of course
because of some condition I forgot I didn't qualify, basically guys
like that are like the old snakeoil sales people who sell a cure for
something and the only thing it cures is their own wallet.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Good morning everyone,



A lot of blind people also choose not to create
income streams to generate the money to self-fund whatever blindness
products and services they need. Mary and I have many ideas for
generating additional income streams. We have heard nothing but
excuses from blind people we tried to reach out to to help them
improve their financial situation. Thanks to someone sharing a
business idea with us years ago this past January we were able to buy
the latest upgrade of Jaws for Windows, the Dusbury Braille
Translator, and my wife Mary bought herself a Braille-Edge 40 without
seeking help from rehab thank you



Let me shut down some other rubbish that has come
upon other lists on which we shared these accomplishments. Recall
above that we said we're willing to help others accomplish what we
have done to be better positioned to meet the costs of blindness
products and services only to be told we were braggers, and were
called many other names I won't repeat.
Braggers don't reach out to help others improve their financial
situation. I hate to say it but those with such mindsets and who do
nothing but complain about the high cost of blindness products and
services without being willing to do something about it have created
their own problems. While it's true society doesn't always have the
best attitude towards the blind the blind themselves are also
responsible for their lack of financial resources if opportunities
are placed in their laps and they fail to get on board.



I also want to commend VFO for it's new pricing and
authorization scheme. They have done something to make it easier for
blind people to buy their products. It's now up to blind individuals
to seek out opportunities to develop the needed income streams so
they can buy whatever VFO product they need without having to turn to
rehab for help. Again Mary and I stand ready to assist anyone wishing
to follow our lead so they can do what we've accomplished. All the best.



Peter Donahue







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the
least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years.
Has Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people
don't have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or
receive our JAWS from agencies?





Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@... <mailto:lucky1inct@...>

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~


On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a
lot. With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year. But if
the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year
and it goes up from there. What is the purpose of this?



Stew



On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.



It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.



Is this correct?



I do have one concern, though.



$90 a year doesn t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in
2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the
license by December 31.



Am I missing something?



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



from the fs e store.



https://store.freedomscientific.com/
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% 21x-usc:https://store.freedomscientific.com/>




From: Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@...>

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Michael:



Where did you get this info?



I m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.



I d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options
if possible.



Thanks for the help!



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of
Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most
popular screen reader, with an affordable, annual license now
available for home users in the United States. Choose between a one-,
three-, or five-year option, with the ability to easily renew your
license at the end of your initial term.

With a JAWS Home Annual license you will always have the most
up-to-date version of JAWS, and will not have to pay for an upgrade to
get new versions when they release you have access to all upgrades
released during your license term. Having access to new versions of
JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to
use your computer with the continuous updates of Microsoft Windows ,
Microsoft Office , your browser, and other applications you may use.

JAWS License Comparison
<https://www.freedomscientific.com/products/blindness/JAWSLicenseComp
a
rison>


What's Next?

After purchasing your JAWS Home Annual license, you will receive an
email with instructions and a link to register on the Freedom
Scientific Licensing Portal, which allows you to access and manage
your software licenses, and provides a simple way to install and
activate your software. Your license can be installed on up to 3 of
your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your
license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same
email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already
registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive
and sign in your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal,
non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions
of the Windows operating system. Refer



From: Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@...>

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

To: 'jfw list' <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Hello, everyone.



I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can t seem to find a
nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that
apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.



Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do
something to renew it at some point.



Up until now, I ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for
$120.



If there now is a more economical way to do this, I d certainly love
to learn about it.



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan




















locked Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

David & his pack of dogs
 

I forgot to mention, neither my brother or the person I referred to as cleaning up the beaches of empty pop and beer cans, were blind.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: November 4, 2018 8:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

I found the message James was referring too. When my brother lived with us before I got married, I would get reports of him going into people's recycling box that they had put out on the curb to be picked up by the municipality and taking out the empty pop cans or beer cans . Then he would take them to a store and cash them in for money. This is how he would supplement his income. To me this is steeling. Now, having said this, we run dogs on a trail and frequently find the same things, empties. We cash them in, however, to us it is just cleaning up the environment. Especially when the amount we cashed in could not even pay for a 32 G, SD card. There was someone that would go to beaches on weekends and clean them up. She made enough money doing this each year that she could go to Hawaii every year.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Lockwood
Sent: November 3, 2018 8:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Dumpster diving? I find that offensive. If you recommend blind people go dumpster diving then you are an idiot. And I don’t care if your offended by that. Deal with it.

On Nov 3, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:

Dumster diving? Is this your sense of humour or are you actually serious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Don't Make Assumptions!

Hello again everyone,

Truthfully we've suggested a number of different ideas to different blind individuals for generating needed income to cover the cost of technologhy. Some of these included dumpster diving,becoming certified Braille transcribers and proofreaders along with other ideas. Before writing this note I sent a message to an old schoolfriend of mine who has written a number of books one of which is in audio format. He said that his audio version sold out and he no longer had copies on CD but could provide them in MP3 format. I suggested making his book available through Audible allowing many others to buy it in an audio format and adding an additional source of passive income to his portfolio. That has as much to do with network marketing as this list! All the best.

Peter Donahue


locked Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

David & his pack of dogs
 

I found the message James was referring too. When my brother lived with us before I got married, I would get reports of him going into people's recycling box that they had put out on the curb to be picked up by the municipality and taking out the empty pop cans or beer cans . Then he would take them to a store and cash them in for money. This is how he would supplement his income. To me this is steeling. Now, having said this, we run dogs on a trail and frequently find the same things, empties. We cash them in, however, to us it is just cleaning up the environment. Especially when the amount we cashed in could not even pay for a 32 G, SD card. There was someone that would go to beaches on weekends and clean them up. She made enough money doing this each year that she could go to Hawaii every year.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Lockwood
Sent: November 3, 2018 8:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Don't Make Assumptions!

Dumpster diving? I find that offensive. If you recommend blind people go dumpster diving then you are an idiot. And I don’t care if your offended by that. Deal with it.

On Nov 3, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:

Dumster diving? Is this your sense of humour or are you actually serious?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Don't Make Assumptions!

Hello again everyone,

Truthfully we've suggested a number of different ideas to different blind individuals for generating needed income to cover the cost of technologhy. Some of these included dumpster diving,becoming certified Braille transcribers and proofreaders along with other ideas. Before writing this note I sent a message to an old schoolfriend of mine who has written a number of books one of which is in audio format. He said that his audio version sold out and he no longer had copies on CD but could provide them in MP3 format. I suggested making his book available through Audible allowing many others to buy it in an audio format and adding an additional source of passive income to his portfolio. That has as much to do with network marketing as this list! All the best.

Peter Donahue


locked Re: Commitment

David & his pack of dogs
 

Evasiveness, Persistency and most of all commitment work! This is just scratching the surface. And since covering the cost of assistive technology such as Jaws is important to the blind it seems like some brainstorming is in order.

Peter Donahue

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: November 4, 2018 7:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Commitment



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 9:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

Dan,

I appreciate your commitment to your faith and the work you do. I did not have in mind Christians in general or evangelicals. the latter is occasionally ridiculed for their style of religious teaching. Peter's evasiveness and persistence reminds me specifically of Jehovah's Witnesses at the train station. Few can actually describe their faith accurately and prospects are pursued vigorously.

Kelly <div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br /> <table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
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/></a></td>
<td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e;
font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link"
target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avast.com</a>
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On 11/3/18, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:
Hi Kelly,

We don't always agree, but here I totally agree with you. So far Peter
hasn't said anything which would inspire confidence in me to even want
to talk to him. I wonder if there is also a Paul in his team? You
know, Peter Paul and Mary *smile*.
All I can say to those who contact him is to be critical regarding
what he is trying to sell you.

Regards,
Sieghard



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kelly
Pierce
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 4:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology

it sounds like Peter is trying to covertly pitch a network marketing scheme.
Network marketers are like religious proselytizers. their offer is
shady and they act like parasites.

Kelly <div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br /> <table
style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
<tr>
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alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
/></a></td>
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font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
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On 11/3/18, Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@...> wrote:
Yes, I agree, pricing is now within reach of many moore people. I
forget at times that development and on going updates takes qualified
people and that costs dollars.

Dan



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 6:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Man, I don’t want to be a Debbie downer, but no, this doesn’t’ sound
sketchy at all…

As far as the cost of blindness related technology.

While prices for some stuff can still be eye watering, the trend has
indeed gone down. Vispero’s new pricing model being the most recent
example of that. Despite Gerald’s reflexive “The Sky is Falling”, I’m
sure the Vispero folks scratch padded their new structure and after
all their number crunching, they must have been satisfied enough to
go forward. Just spitballing, $90 a month as opposed to one shot
deals of
$900 with $60 yearly SMAs after that may give them a more solid and
consistent revenue stream. Let folks catch up and give even other
people the chance to dip their toes into the Jaws world and probably
end up retaining a lot of them when it comes time to renew.

Who knows, maybe between NVDA’s improvements and Microsoft’s Narrator
push, this was the competition that was necessary to finally break
down that initial price barrier for acquiring Jaws.

Newer and cheaper Braille displays are on the market, OCR solutions
aren’t only confined to K1000 anymore. I mean, you could get by with
the KNFBReader Windows app that cost $20. ABBY FineReader too. This
isn’t even mentioning the iOS/mobile stuff.

Stuff sure isn’t suddenly cheap, but man, it’s not how it used to be
before where unless you had access to a governmental program, had a
family well off enough to pay for it, maybe pawned off your soul to
get financing to buy a piece of tech or could play with it until you
graduated out of school you were more or less straight out of luck.



Cristóbal



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Kevin
Meyers
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 2:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Peter,



I would like to talk to you about how you and your wife generate
additional income. I would have sent this email directly to you and
couldn’t find it it in the string of emails.



How about sending me a email to kevinmeyers@...
<mailto:kevinmeyers@...> .



Cheers,



Kevin



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 10:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Good morning everyone,



In compliance with one of our parent company's rules
of conduct and a wish not to clutter up the list with unwanted
banquet if you want additional information please contact me privately.
Several folks here have already done that. We'll be meeting with one
of them this afternoon.
All the best.



Peter Donahue







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Gimmy some of that special sauce.


On Nov 2, 2018, at 8:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard
<mailto:@Sieghard> > wrote:

Hi Peter,



Could you be just a little bit more specific, what you say is pretty
vague like "Mary and I have many ideas for generating additional
income streams"
and "Thanks to someone sharing a business idea with us years ago".

What business idea was shared with you? Can you give just some rough
examples of some of these potential income streams? Just curious.

I once read some posts on a different list where somebody was setting
up Go Fund Me campagnes asking for money to buy stuff, hopefully your
"business idea" is di



ferent because to me that is little different from begging. Online
fund raising just as traditional fund raising for a specific purpose
where maybe a family's home burned down or the primary bread winner
of the family was seriously hurt or killed in an accident is fine
and I have often contributed to such fund raisers. But nowadays when
you look at Go Fund Me or other such sites where people beg for money
because they want to go on vacation or because they can't afford
something they want then I certainly wouldn't give them a single
Penny. Once a very very long time ago when I was very young I fell
for one of these get rich schemes with real estate. I happened to
hear this infomercial about this guy who was just itching to share
with everybody how you can get rich in less than a year buy buying
real estate and he showed off all these happy people who bought his
tutorial for $199 which was only $99 if you acted now and on and on.
Of course it came with a full money back guaranty and naiive as I was
I ordered it. It ended up being like a dozen CD's where he went on
and on saying nothing and repeating himself and it was a complete
waste of time and money. I called to get my money back but of course
because of some condition I forgot I didn't qualify, basically guys
like that are like the old snakeoil sales people who sell a cure for
something and the only thing it cures is their own wallet.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Covering the Cost of Blindness Technology



Good morning everyone,



A lot of blind people also choose not to create
income streams to generate the money to self-fund whatever blindness
products and services they need. Mary and I have many ideas for
generating additional income streams. We have heard nothing but
excuses from blind people we tried to reach out to to help them
improve their financial situation. Thanks to someone sharing a
business idea with us years ago this past January we were able to buy
the latest upgrade of Jaws for Windows, the Dusbury Braille
Translator, and my wife Mary bought herself a Braille-Edge 40 without
seeking help from rehab thank you



Let me shut down some other rubbish that has come
upon other lists on which we shared these accomplishments. Recall
above that we said we're willing to help others accomplish what we
have done to be better positioned to meet the costs of blindness
products and services only to be told we were braggers, and were
called many other names I won't repeat.
Braggers don't reach out to help others improve their financial
situation. I hate to say it but those with such mindsets and who do
nothing but complain about the high cost of blindness products and
services without being willing to do something about it have created
their own problems. While it's true society doesn't always have the
best attitude towards the blind the blind themselves are also
responsible for their lack of financial resources if opportunities
are placed in their laps and they fail to get on board.



I also want to commend VFO for it's new pricing and
authorization scheme. They have done something to make it easier for
blind people to buy their products. It's now up to blind individuals
to seek out opportunities to develop the needed income streams so
they can buy whatever VFO product they need without having to turn to
rehab for help. Again Mary and I stand ready to assist anyone wishing
to follow our lead so they can do what we've accomplished. All the best.



Peter Donahue







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



It seems to me that if and when the SMA program is terminated, the
least they can do is discount the licenses with additional years.
Has Freedom Scientific/VFO/Vispero forgotten that most blind people
don't have a lot of money since so many of us are not employed or
receive our JAWS from agencies?





Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@... <mailto:lucky1inct@...>

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~


On 11/1/2018 9:53 PM, cecropia64 wrote:

seems to me that this new system is going to be more expensive by a
lot. With a sma, you are only paying sixty dollars a year. But if
the prices quoted are correct, you'll be paying ninety dollars a year
and it goes up from there. What is the purpose of this?



Stew



On 11/1/2018 9:21 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Thanks, Michael.



It seems to me that this new system will replace the older SMA system.



Is this correct?



I do have one concern, though.



$90 a year doesn t seem to be that great of a deal, since back in
2016, I got two years of Jaws for $120, as long as I purchased the
license by December 31.



Am I missing something?



Tom Behler





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<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



from the fs e store.



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From: Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@...>

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Michael:



Where did you get this info?



I m asking because the explanation seemed to end in mid sentence.



I d like to get the full explanation of the various Jaws home options
if possible.



Thanks for the help!



Tom Behler





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<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of
Michael Amaro
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Stay current with the latest version of JAWS, the world's most
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JAWS as they become available is essential to ensure the ability to
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your computers and using the portal, you can easily remove your
license from one computer and put it on a new one later.

When registering on the Licensing Portal, make sure to use the same
email address you used to purchase your license; if you have already
registered from previous purchases, simply select the link you receive
and sign in your license will be available.

JAWS Home is intended for use by end-users for personal,
non-commercial use only and runs on all currently supported versions
of the Windows operating system. Refer



From: Tom Behler <mailto:tombehler@...>

Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:53 AM

To: 'jfw list' <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

Subject: Need Details On New Annual Jaws Home Subscription



Hello, everyone.



I have been reading bits and pieces of info, but can t seem to find a
nice concise summary of the new Jaws annual home license that
apparently is now available with the release of Jaws 2019.



Jaws 2019 is the last Jaws upgrade on my SMA, so I will need to do
something to renew it at some point.



Up until now, I ve renewed my Jaws Home SMA for a two-year period for
$120.



If there now is a more economical way to do this, I d certainly love
to learn about it.



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan