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JAWS goes mute when Google Crom not responding

Marty Hutchings
 

Just now, when I tried to go to this site to post another topic, Google Crome hung when this page opened and JAWS went silent.  When I switch to the JAWS curser, navigating with arrow keys only gets me "Blank".  If I hit Control+Home, I get to the top of the page and then JAWS goes mute for both cursers.  I then try to Alt+Tab to another ap and still I get nothing.  After a while, JAWS will say something and then I will Alt+Tab to Google Crome and Maybe JAWS will say "Google Crom not responding".  I am using JAWS 18, Windows 7 andthe latest Crome.  Has anyone else experienced this?


Re: Saving an pdf file

 

On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Van Lant, Robin wrote:
When I click the link, the communication opens in my default browser, even though I have Adobe as my default for PDFs
Which means, without question, that the link itself is to a PDF file.  By the way, this behavior is entirely normal, as most browsers support a PDF viewer.  I already mentioned earlier that if you don't want the browser to handle opening PDF files you can instruct it not to do so and to pass those links off to the system PDF viewer.  That's what I do, as I really don't like dealing with PDF files inside a browser PDF viewer.  I like my system viewer better.

As someone else pointed out, there can be peculiarities induced by screen readers using a virtual cursor/buffer, and I've seen that, too.  You have to figure out if that's happening for specific websites and find the way to throw focus exactly where you need it so that you can do the "Save link target as" and save yourself a lot of unnecessary steps.
 
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Re: Braille display and jaws problem

Richard Turner
 

Microsoft is aware that there is an issue when changing screen readers to Narrator because Narrator switches the driver, which causes JAWS to fail.
I know someone at Microsoft so I wrote him about this and while he isn't the person in charge of the braille side of Narrator, he knows they are aware of the issue and forwarded my note to him.
I have Windows 10, 1809 and I can use the Braille Edge with Jaws without any issue. I've not even tried to see if Narrator would work with it, and now I won't until something is said from Microsoft about this.
Richard




"It is a great thing to start life with a small number of really good books which are your very own." __ Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

On Dec 11, 2018, at 5:09 AM, Παναγιωτης Αντωνοπουλος <pantonop@...> wrote:

Hi Ari/all,
Well, I have had an ordeal when I bought my new Lenovo, excellent otherwise. I had latest jaws at the time, and an Active Braille from the German company Handytech. Despite my computer tech's struggling, it would not connect with either Bluetooth, or usb. It made several trips between Ioannina, my place of work, and Athens, some 300 miles, and when we thought things were fixed, it was the same, once it reached my end. Eventually, both display and computer were sent to handytech, again with no success, although the Germans were insisting it was Jaws' fault. To cut a long story, my computer tech, eventually discovered that the fault lay with Narrator, and one of its drivers, and it was really a Microsoft fault, which affects some, but not all, displays. Once narrator was removed, I have had not more that problem.
Hope this helps,
Greetings from Greece (perhaps your family's country of origin?),
Takis

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ari Damoulakis
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 8:59 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Braille display and jaws problem

Hi everyone
I hope someone can give me some answers or additional tips on what to
try, since I tried asking on the Facebook group, but no luck yet.
I have used a Seika 40 (Perkins in the US) and U2 in the past
successfully with jaws, but for some reason I can't get the newest
version of jaws to communicate with them at all. In fact I can't get
the newest version of JAWS to communicate with any braille display.
When I say communicate, I mean that I am connecting the displays
properly to the PC. I have tried Bluetooth and USB. The displays are
displaying braille and are working with NVDA.
I add them in JAWS. When I try their Bluetooth ports, I am inputting
the com numbers the computer is giving me. When I try the USB, the
drivers are installed correctly, I write USB.
Nothing is happening when I restart JAWS or the PC and JAWS.
I am not getting an error message, but no braille is being displayed either.
I have unpaired them from the PC and paried them again. I have tried
their supposed input and output ports just to make really sure. I have
tried the USB, nothing.
I really have no idea what else to try?
Is it just me or does anyone else believe that the whole interface of
configuring JAWS and a braille display lacks the ease of the iPhone,
or even NVDA? And when you write to support of iether the screenreader
or the braille display manufacturer, the one manufacturer thinks it
could be the other product and the support departments shift the
problem to each other like tennis.
Freedom Scientific should totally redesign the whole braille display
module or interface of jaws, or something should be done to find some
sort of solution to the whole three-way problem of hardware, software
and operating system triangulate in some sort of easier solution.
Thanks very much
Ari






Re: Saving an pdf file

Nermin
 

Hi all,
 
sometimes, focusing the link with the arrow keys does not really bring focus to the link in question, even though the virtual buffer would make you think otherwise.
In other words, try pressing tab from wherever the link was presented to you, making sure the link really has focus. The virtual cursor implementation is faulty in many situations, but pressing tab really should focus the link in those situations.
 
Regards,
Nermin


Re: Saving an pdf file

Van Lant, Robin
 

I have tested my theory on this and here is what I found.

  • I found an email with a link to one of our corporate communications.  At this point,  the application key does not offer a save target as option, only choices related to copying a link.
  • When I click the link, the communication opens in my default browser, even though I have Adobe as my default for PDFs.
  • Having JAWS read the title bar lets me here the title of the PDF document being viewed. 
  • If I copy the URL from this view and paste in an email, the link takes me back to an opened copy of the PDF in a browser window.
  • Hitting Control Shift S while viewing the PDF in the browser gives me the option to Save as.

 

So, I am convinced that what our fellow JAWS user is experiencing is that whoever created the link to the PDF did not  upload the file to the page , but is providing a link to where is sits and it cannot be saved until it is opened.  We might think this is annoying, but there may be a reason for doing it that way.    Here at work, I’m sure it’s to be sure the link always points to the current version of the policy document.  They want the document to live in one spot and just provide links to it.  To the sighted user, I’m sure it feels seamless as the policy opens in the browser and they read it just fine.  It could also be that the person who created the link just didn’t know another way to link to the document, so they open it and copy the web address.  Since the default now seems to be to have PDFs open in the default browser, I’m sure again that this feels seamless to sighted users. 

 

I’m grateful to now know the Control Shift S save as command. 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 9:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Saving an pdf file

 

I have seen this behavior.  What I think is happening is that the person who created the link is not linking directly to the pdf, but rather to the web address when the PDF is open in the browser.  What I end up doing is letting the PDF open and the saving from there.  I have not tried the suggested Control Shift S shortcut.  Instead, I think what I did was to hit alt, then f, then arrow down to find a Save As choice.  I will see if I can find an example of this and test it.  I know I saw it recently with a new policy document rolled out at work, but I’ll need to hunt for it to be sure I’m giving you correct instructions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 8:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Saving an pdf file

 

Bill,

            I can't explain what's going on then.  I have never, ever had that happen when focus is on a link that leads to a file.  It happens if the link leads to a webpage.

            I have followed the instructions I gave "in the sighted way" and with a screen reader more times than I can possibly count.  When focus is on a link to a file the one and only result is a Save as dialog being presented allowing you to save said file.

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Re: Saving an pdf file

Van Lant, Robin
 

I have seen this behavior.  What I think is happening is that the person who created the link is not linking directly to the pdf, but rather to the web address when the PDF is open in the browser.  What I end up doing is letting the PDF open and the saving from there.  I have not tried the suggested Control Shift S shortcut.  Instead, I think what I did was to hit alt, then f, then arrow down to find a Save As choice.  I will see if I can find an example of this and test it.  I know I saw it recently with a new policy document rolled out at work, but I’ll need to hunt for it to be sure I’m giving you correct instructions.

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 8:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Saving an pdf file

 

Bill,

            I can't explain what's going on then.  I have never, ever had that happen when focus is on a link that leads to a file.  It happens if the link leads to a webpage.

            I have followed the instructions I gave "in the sighted way" and with a screen reader more times than I can possibly count.  When focus is on a link to a file the one and only result is a Save as dialog being presented allowing you to save said file.

--

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   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore



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Re: Saving an pdf file

Mario
 

could it simply bee that the website does not allow for the PDF to be
saved? I have run across situations where I could not get a save link as
or save target as option no matter what I try.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@...]
Sent: Tue, Dec 11, 2018 11:59 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Saving an pdf file

Hi, Marty. No. This is not what is happening in this case. When I click
Save Target As, I am asked if I want to save an html document, not a pdf.

Bill White

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*From:*main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Marty Hutchings
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 11, 2018 8:54 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Saving an pdf file

I have noticed that when I want to save a file from a web page, some
times hitting the Application key on the link will not give me the Save
Target As menu option.  I have to hit the Right Mouse button to get a
menu with this option.  Could this be what is happening here?

Love in Christ
Marty

*From:*Brian Vogel <mailto:@britechguy>

*Sent:*Tuesday, December 11, 2018 10:11 PM

*To:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: Saving an pdf file

Bill,

           Great.  That is the easiest way to get an answer about
what's actually occurring, and I'm happy to assist.
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and wrong./*/

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Kindle On PC

denise avant <denise.avant@...>
 

Hello all,

I want to try the Kindle on my PC. I have downloaded the app, but haven’t installed it. I am using JFW 2019 and I am running the latest version of Windows 10. Can anyone with knowledge of the Kindle for PC tell me how well it works? What else do I need it to work properly? Are there any podcasts or other demonstrations showing how it works? Thank you.

 


Re: pasting multiple items into ms excel

William Windels
 

thx all for the suggestions. i made a workaround based on the info i received here.


Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

Op 10 dec. 2018 om 20:36 heeft Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io <Robin_Van_Lant@...> het volgende geschreven:

If u want them in separate columns, then I agree with the use of Notepad .  You can also see if pressing F2 in the cell where you want to paste, then Control V will work  I used this is I am capturing a paragraph or list that I want in one Excel cell.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 9:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: pasting multiple items into ms excel

 

You could paste the items into Notepad, then manually put them one after another separated either by a comma or a tab, once finished select all, copy and now paste into Excel.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of William Windels
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 1:49 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: pasting multiple items into ms excel

 

Hello,

For me job, I need to collect different parts of a website into the clipboard to paste in ms-excel 2010.

 

I use the jaws-script AppendTextToClipboard to collect the items into the clipboard but when I paste them in excel, the items are pasted each on a defferent row (below each other).

They should be pasted next to each other.

 

The transpose feature from ms excel is not solving the problem.

 

Any idea if I can force this with jaws, a jaws-script or anothe raccessible program on win10?

 

Kind regards for any responses.

 

William Windels

 

 

Met vriendelijke groeten

William Windels

 

Incident Manager SWO

02/506 0 487 (niet bereikbaar op maandag en vrijdag)

 



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Jaws Separator Keystroke

Mike B. <mike9902@...>
 

Hi All,
 
Running Windows 7, IE11, & J16 thru 2019.  When reading something that has, Separators, between articles / stories, does Jaws have a command that will take you from 1 separator to the next separator to make reading newsletters / webpages easier?  All input will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks much.
Take care.  Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool.
I type out everything I want to remember. That way instead of spending a lot of time trying to remember what it was, I spend the time looking for where I saved it!


Re: Saving an pdf file

Bill White
 

Hi, Marty. No. This is not what is happening in this case. When I click Save Target As, I am asked if I want to save an html document, not a pdf.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 8:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Saving an pdf file

 

I have noticed that when I want to save a file from a web page, some times hitting the Application key on the link will not give me the Save Target As menu option.  I have to hit the Right Mouse button to get a menu with this option.  Could this be what is happening here?

 

Love in Christ
Marty

 

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 10:11 PM

Subject: Re: Saving an pdf file

 

Bill,

           Great.  That is the easiest way to get an answer about what's actually occurring, and I'm happy to assist.
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Saving an pdf file

Marty Hutchings
 

I have noticed that when I want to save a file from a web page, some times hitting the Application key on the link will not give me the Save Target As menu option.  I have to hit the Right Mouse button to get a menu with this option.  Could this be what is happening here?
 
Love in Christ
Marty
 

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: Saving an pdf file
 
Bill,

           Great.  That is the easiest way to get an answer about what's actually occurring, and I'm happy to assist.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Saving an pdf file

 

Bill,

           Great.  That is the easiest way to get an answer about what's actually occurring, and I'm happy to assist.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Saving an pdf file

Bill White
 

I’m going to try to get the link from you from my friend, and you can try it out, first by opening the link, then by trying to right click on it. It may take me a couple of days to get the link, but I’ll get back to you.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 7:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Saving an pdf file

 

Bill,

            I can't explain what's going on then.  I have never, ever had that happen when focus is on a link that leads to a file.  It happens if the link leads to a webpage.

            I have followed the instructions I gave "in the sighted way" and with a screen reader more times than I can possibly count.  When focus is on a link to a file the one and only result is a Save as dialog being presented allowing you to save said file.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Saving an pdf file

 

Bill,

            I can't explain what's going on then.  I have never, ever had that happen when focus is on a link that leads to a file.  It happens if the link leads to a webpage.

            I have followed the instructions I gave "in the sighted way" and with a screen reader more times than I can possibly count.  When focus is on a link to a file the one and only result is a Save as dialog being presented allowing you to save said file.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Saving an pdf file

Bill White
 

Hi, Brian. I have tried this on several occasions, and when I click Save Target As, it wants to save an html document which is only the page where the original link is contained.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 4:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Saving an pdf file

 

Tom,

          If your goal is to have a copy of the PDF file saved to your computer, the easiest thing to do is, once you have focus on the link for said file, to hit the applications/menu key or SHIFT+F10 and choose the option usually something like, "Save link as," or, "Save target as," which directly downloads the file without opening it.  You can then open it afterward with the reader of your choice.

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Using Access

Ann Byrne
 

One thing to do is to go to JAWS help for all all applications, for MS Office, and read everything they have. Not a lot, I know; but more than nothing.

I have an excellent tutorial for Access 2002, which would help a little--but only a little.

I know there are hot keys, because my Access-user son talked me through building a database a couple of years ago, but not sure where to find them.

At 08:29 PM 12/11/2018, you wrote:
Hello, I finally got Access 2016. I have tried using some key strokes I found on the internet and they don't work to well. Does anyone know of some documentation that is written coming from the perspective of a screen reader? I'm using Jaws 2018 and Windows10. Thanks, Kevin


Re: Saving an pdf file

T. Civitello
 

Sorry, I misinformed. I have IE 11. I was able to save a PDF document by using: control, shift, S after it opened in the browser.  Tom 

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: Saving an pdf file
 
Tom,

        If you have any other browser option then use it.  IE10 is not even the current version of IE.

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   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Saving an pdf file

 

Just tried this using NVDA in IE11, Chrome, and Firefox, and it works in all.  Here are the instructions, along with a page you can use to find a link to a PDF file or an MS-Word document.  The technique works with any file that a link leads to including pictures, plain text files, spreadsheets, etc., etc., etc.

If you want to play with saving a PDF file (or MS-Word file, in the case of this page) you can use a topic on Bleeping Computer:  Blue Screen of Death (BSOD) Posting Instructions - Windows 10, 8.1, 8, 7 & Vista

Search on “Speccy” and the first link is to instructions for using it in PDF format.  The second is in MS-Word format.

In IE11, if I hit SHIFT+F10 on either link while using NVDA, the choice for saving the file the link leads to is “Save target as.”  It can be activated by hitting ‘A’ after bringing up the context menu, followed by enter.  You’ll then be presented with a Save as dialog to save the file, which you can rename if you so choose.

In Firefox, the choice is “Save Link as.”  The single letter shortcut to activate it and trigger the Save as dialog after the context menu is up is ‘K.’

In Chrome the choice is “Save link as,” and you have to down arrow to it.  There is no letter shortcut in the context menu for this.

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   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Using Access

Kevin Meyers <kevinmeyers@...>
 

Hello, I finally got Access 2016. I have tried using some key strokes I found on the internet and they don’t work to well. Does anyone know of some documentation that is written coming from the perspective of a screen reader? I’m using Jaws 2018 and Windows10. Thanks, Kevin