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Re: Volume level heard on Windows10 lock screen JAWS2021

Jason White

#84363

On 11/27/20 12:25 PM, Shai wrote:
When I lift the lid of my computer,  JAWS announces the volume level
twice  and then presents me with the lock screen to log in.
Is there a means by which to disable this volume alert announcement?I don't think so. This was supposed to have been resolved during the JAWS beta period, according to the release notes, but apparently wasn't.

Re: What is a not well known but great JAWS commands

Leo

#84362

well, that's why I call a good screen reader, more than one single way to do the same although it may represent, to some degree, a unique way to help some users to skim a text quickly but with full meaningful sentences. You may forget this, but not only native English speaking users require a screen reader, and for EFL and ESL students, this feature represents a valuable tool. Of course, as a native Spanish speaker, I do what you guys do when I go through a text, in Spanish but, try it on a language different than yours and we talk later!

Leo

“Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional.”
― haruki murakami,

On 11/27/2020 4:10 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

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David,

To add to your idea, you can press control-down arrow instead of p. It saves you from having to go in and out of JAWS quick settings.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Kingsbury
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 3:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What is a not well known but great JAWS commands

Hi all,

Actually, I have never used the JAWS skim read because it reads either the first full sentence of every paragraph or first full line. I want to read just enough of a paragraph to get a sense of it and then move on. That does not always require reading a full sentence or line. Just the first four or five words might be enough. And if speed is the objective, and it is with skim reading, I don’t need to hear any more than what I need to hear. So you can do this in a couple of very quick and easy ways. First, hold down Control and keep it held down. Then press down arrow just enough to hear what you want to hear at the beginning of a paragraph, then hit down arrow again, and so on.

Or you can put JAWS in Quick keys mode with Insert Z and then just press P to jump to the next paragraph, P again and so on. Much more efficient than JAWS skim read.

David

Re: Openbook 9.0

Richard Turner

#84361

I was on the Openbook beta team, and since too many years ago to count, nothing has been said about Openbook even to the beta team.
It would be nice to get a definitive statement from Vispero about this, but I guess so long as they can still sell a $1000 OCR package to people, they will even though the only functionality I can find in it that isn't in other either mobile phone apps or the Jaws OCR is the ability to scan facing pages of a book and have them split into two pages automatically.

Richard
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 1:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Openbook 9.0

I believe you might be correct.  Other than a 2018 window dressing with a few languages added they seem to have abandoned the product.  I find that
even mobile scanning on my phone has about as good OCR.  I   look for the
OCR component to become a full function of JAWS.

Dan 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 12:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Openbook 9.0

FS has not updated Open book for many years and since OCR is built in to Jaws I don't think Open Book will ever be updated.
On 11/27/2020 11:36 AM, O.Addison Gethers wrote:
Hi All I have this Openbook 9.0 version  since 2010 ,Is there a new 
verson of Openbook version ? If so ,where can I get it from?

Addison

Re: Setting for Jarte

David Griffith

#84360

Try quitting Jaws and running NVDA if you have it. This should force Jarte into Screenreader mode. I hope that this sticks for the next time you use Jarte with Jaws.

David G.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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From: Korinne Bougher
Sent: 27 November 2020 21:49
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Setting for Jarte

Hello,

I am unable to enable screen reader mode in Jarte by copying it to the clipboard. Is there another way to enable it?

Thank you,

Korinne

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 1:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Setting for Jarte

Just to clarify, does enhance edit mode have to be on or off. I did the same thing, but didn’t get the same results.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 10:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Setting for Jarte

Ah, yes, I see the problem. From the Setting Center type "edit" and toggle the setting for enhanced edit mode. That should definitely fix the problem.

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 11/27/2020 1:03 PM, David Griffith wrote:

Thanks for this but this was not the setting change I was looking for.
Jaws 2021 will not interact with the text even with Jarte in screenreader mode. So I cannot for example navigate by word, though I can with Jaws 2020 and NVDA.
From memory it might be something to do with turning advance edit mode off or something like that in the Jaws settings.
I will go and have a look.

David G.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: David Goldfield
Sent: 27 November 2020 13:18
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Setting for Jarte

Hi. From this page:
If Jarte does not recognize your screen reader program then you can force Jarte to switch to screen reader mode by copying the phrase "enable screen reader mode" to the Windows clipboard before starting Jarte. This only needs to be done one time.
Note to JAWS users: Jarte is currently unable to recognize the presence of the JAWS screen reader. If you are using JAWS then you will need to use the method described in the preceeding paragraph to force Jarte into screen reader mode.
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 11/27/2020 8:02 AM, David Griffith wrote:
Could somebody remind me of the setting change needed to make Jarte work properly with Jaws? I think it was David who helpfully provided this a few weeks ago. Now I have JFW 2021 of course Jarte is no longer usable and I have instantly forgotten the setting change to Jaws needed to make it work again.
I can switch back to Jaws 2020 but it would be good to make 2021 compliant as well.
I will remember to save the tip this time.
David G.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Re: What is a not well known but great JAWS commands

Adrian Spratt

#84359

David,

To add to your idea, you can press control-down arrow instead of p. It saves you from having to go in and out of JAWS quick settings.

Show quoted text

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Kingsbury
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 3:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What is a not well known but great JAWS commands

Hi all,

Actually, I have never used the JAWS skim read because it reads either the first full sentence of every paragraph or first full line. I want to read just enough of a paragraph to get a sense of it and then move on. That does not always require reading a full sentence or line. Just the first four or five words might be enough. And if speed is the objective, and it is with skim reading, I don’t need to hear any more than what I need to hear. So you can do this in a couple of very quick and easy ways. First, hold down Control and keep it held down. Then press down arrow just enough to hear what you want to hear at the beginning of a paragraph, then hit down arrow again, and so on.

Or you can put JAWS in Quick keys mode with Insert Z and then just press P to jump to the next paragraph, P again and so on. Much more efficient than JAWS skim read.

David

Re: Setting for Jarte

Korinne Bougher

#84358

Hello,

I am unable to enable screen reader mode in Jarte by copying it to the clipboard. Is there another way to enable it?

Thank you,

Korinne

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 1:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Setting for Jarte

Just to clarify, does enhance edit mode have to be on or off. I did the same thing, but didn’t get the same results.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 10:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Setting for Jarte

Ah, yes, I see the problem. From the Setting Center type "edit" and toggle the setting for enhanced edit mode. That should definitely fix the problem.

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 11/27/2020 1:03 PM, David Griffith wrote:

Thanks for this but this was not the setting change I was looking for.
Jaws 2021 will not interact with the text even with Jarte in screenreader mode. So I cannot for example navigate by word, though I can with Jaws 2020 and NVDA.
From memory it might be something to do with turning advance edit mode off or something like that in the Jaws settings.
I will go and have a look.

David G.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: David Goldfield
Sent: 27 November 2020 13:18
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Setting for Jarte

Hi. From this page:
If Jarte does not recognize your screen reader program then you can force Jarte to switch to screen reader mode by copying the phrase "enable screen reader mode" to the Windows clipboard before starting Jarte. This only needs to be done one time.
Note to JAWS users: Jarte is currently unable to recognize the presence of the JAWS screen reader. If you are using JAWS then you will need to use the method described in the preceeding paragraph to force Jarte into screen reader mode.
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 11/27/2020 8:02 AM, David Griffith wrote:
Could somebody remind me of the setting change needed to make Jarte work properly with Jaws? I think it was David who helpfully provided this a few weeks ago. Now I have JFW 2021 of course Jarte is no longer usable and I have instantly forgotten the setting change to Jaws needed to make it work again.
I can switch back to Jaws 2020 but it would be good to make 2021 compliant as well.
I will remember to save the tip this time.
David G.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Re: Setting for Jarte

Jasmine Kotsay

#84357

Now, I have another question. 
How do I get to the view menu so I can make sure the correct view (e.g., print view) is checked.

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 1:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Setting for Jarte

it should be not checked.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Jasmine Kotsay [mailto:jasmine.kotsay@gmail.com]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Friday, November 27, 2020, 4:23 PM
Subject: Setting for Jarte
Just to clarify, does enhance edit mode have to be on or off. I did the same thing, but didn’t get the same results.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *David Goldfield
*Sent:* Friday, November 27, 2020 10:05 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Setting for Jarte

Ah, yes, I see the problem. From the Setting Center type "edit" and toggle the setting for enhanced edit mode. That should definitely fix the problem.

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019



WWW.DavidGoldfield.org  <http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.org>;

On 11/27/2020 1:03 PM, David Griffith wrote:

     Thanks for this but this was not the  setting change I was looking for.

     Jaws 2021 will not interact with the text even with Jarte in
     screenreader mode. So I cannot for example navigate by word, though
     I can with Jaws 2020 and NVDA.

      From memory it might be something to do with turning advance edit
     mode off or something like that in the Jaws settings.

     I will go and have a look.

     David G.

     Sent from Mail
 
<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C7d77211e05c7439f686208d892febac4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637420970031192866%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=MxpgdwMzBdw3AQTsMZPko7auFMQrvygbPaP1SOSt9TM%3D&reserved=0>
     for Windows 10

     *From: *David Goldfield <mailto:david.goldfield@outlook.com>
     *Sent: *27 November 2020 13:18
     *To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     *Subject: *Re: Setting for Jarte

     Hi. From this page:
 
<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jarte.com%2Fhelp_new%2Fscreen_reader_mode.html&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C7d77211e05c7439f686208d892febac4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637420970031192866%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=qWBJfuZE93P6a7wdOd1m8ND3GbJ8xEB5bJLovBzTvOk%3D&reserved=0>

     If Jarte does not recognize your screen reader program then you can
     force Jarte to switch to screen reader mode by copying the phrase
     "enable screen reader mode" to the Windows clipboard before starting
     Jarte. This only needs to be done one time.

     *Note to JAWS users: *Jarte is currently unable to recognize the
     presence of the JAWS screen reader. If you are using JAWS then you
     will need to use the method described in the preceeding paragraph to
     force Jarte into screen reader mode.

     David Goldfield,

     Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

     JAWS Certified, 2019



     WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.davidgoldfield.org%2F&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C7d77211e05c7439f686208d892febac4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637420970031202860%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=27LWbIWJDPHrd9eIvCUWko2Qmlq8%2FPwPUTgnfHZT%2FtU%3D&reserved=0>

     On 11/27/2020 8:02 AM, David Griffith wrote:

         Could somebody remind me of the setting change needed to make
         Jarte work properly with Jaws? I think it was David who
         helpfully provided this a few weeks ago. Now I have JFW 2021 of
         course Jarte is no longer usable and I have instantly forgotten
         the setting change to Jaws needed to make it work again.

         I can switch back to Jaws 2020 but it would be good to make 2021
         compliant as well.

         I will remember to save the tip this time.

         David G.

         Sent from Mail
 
<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C7d77211e05c7439f686208d892febac4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637420970031212856%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=9k6D6hLz3l5CrH0xD8d0mm1o6t7qwM1SRMfWLDvMv00%3D&reserved=0>
         for Windows 10

Re: Setting for Jarte

Mario

#84356

it should be not checked.

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-------- Original Message --------
From: Jasmine Kotsay [mailto:jasmine.kotsay@gmail.com]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Friday, November 27, 2020, 4:23 PM
Subject: Setting for Jarte
Just to clarify, does enhance edit mode have to be on or off. I did the
same thing, but didn’t get the same results.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *David
Goldfield
*Sent:* Friday, November 27, 2020 10:05 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Setting for Jarte

Ah, yes, I see the problem. From the Setting Center type "edit" and
toggle the setting for enhanced edit mode. That should definitely fix
the problem.

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019



WWW.DavidGoldfield.org  <http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.org>;

On 11/27/2020 1:03 PM, David Griffith wrote:

    Thanks for this but this was not the  setting change I was looking for.

    Jaws 2021 will not interact with the text even with Jarte in
    screenreader mode. So I cannot for example navigate by word, though
    I can with Jaws 2020 and NVDA.

     From memory it might be something to do with turning advance edit
    mode off or something like that in the Jaws settings.

    I will go and have a look.

    David G.

    Sent from Mail

<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C7d77211e05c7439f686208d892febac4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637420970031192866%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=MxpgdwMzBdw3AQTsMZPko7auFMQrvygbPaP1SOSt9TM%3D&reserved=0>
    for Windows 10

    *From: *David Goldfield <mailto:david.goldfield@outlook.com>
    *Sent: *27 November 2020 13:18
    *To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
    *Subject: *Re: Setting for Jarte

    Hi. From this page:

<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jarte.com%2Fhelp_new%2Fscreen_reader_mode.html&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C7d77211e05c7439f686208d892febac4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637420970031192866%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=qWBJfuZE93P6a7wdOd1m8ND3GbJ8xEB5bJLovBzTvOk%3D&reserved=0>

    If Jarte does not recognize your screen reader program then you can
    force Jarte to switch to screen reader mode by copying the phrase
    "enable screen reader mode" to the Windows clipboard before starting
    Jarte. This only needs to be done one time.

    *Note to JAWS users: *Jarte is currently unable to recognize the
    presence of the JAWS screen reader. If you are using JAWS then you
    will need to use the method described in the preceeding paragraph to
    force Jarte into screen reader mode.

    David Goldfield,

    Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

    JAWS Certified, 2019



    WWW.DavidGoldfield.org <https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.davidgoldfield.org%2F&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C7d77211e05c7439f686208d892febac4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637420970031202860%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=27LWbIWJDPHrd9eIvCUWko2Qmlq8%2FPwPUTgnfHZT%2FtU%3D&reserved=0>

    On 11/27/2020 8:02 AM, David Griffith wrote:

        Could somebody remind me of the setting change needed to make
        Jarte work properly with Jaws? I think it was David who
        helpfully provided this a few weeks ago. Now I have JFW 2021 of
        course Jarte is no longer usable and I have instantly forgotten
        the setting change to Jaws needed to make it work again.

        I can switch back to Jaws 2020 but it would be good to make 2021
        compliant as well.

        I will remember to save the tip this time.

        David G.

        Sent from Mail

<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C7d77211e05c7439f686208d892febac4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637420970031212856%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=9k6D6hLz3l5CrH0xD8d0mm1o6t7qwM1SRMfWLDvMv00%3D&reserved=0>
        for Windows 10

Re: Openbook 9.0

Dan Longmore

#84355

I believe you might be correct.  Other than a 2018 window dressing with a
few languages added they seem to have abandoned the product.  I find that
even mobile scanning on my phone has about as good OCR.  I   look for the
OCR component to become a full function of JAWS.

Dan

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 12:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Openbook 9.0

FS has not updated Open book for many years and since OCR is built in to
Jaws I don't think Open Book will ever be updated.
On 11/27/2020 11:36 AM, O.Addison Gethers wrote:
Hi All I have this Openbook 9.0 version  since 2010 ,Is there a new 
verson of Openbook version ? If so ,where can I get it from?

Addison

Re: Openbook 9.0

Loy

#84354

I just downloaded OpenBook demo and installed without an issue. I have JAWS 2019,2020, and 2021 installed.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Dan Longmore

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 4:00 PM

Subject: Re: Openbook 9.0

Hi,

Just a quick note of caution. If you have JAWS 2020 or 2021 installed Openbook 9.0 will not install properly. This from my own experience and after talking with Freedom this was the steps I needed to take.

Uninstall JAWS 2020 or 2021

Update or install Openbook 9.0

Re install JAWS 2020 or 2021.

The reason is that JAWS and Openbook use the same OCR components. JAWS has newer ones than Openbook and Openbook will hang at install unless you follow procedure above. This is from own personal experience and after checking with Freedom Scientific after I encountered the issue.

Unless someone gives different experience or has updated information that was the latest I have from Freedom and my own situation.

Again, just wanted to put the details out for a caution.

Dan

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 2:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Openbook 9.0

David I didn’t know that and thanks for telling me and give me the links to download it.

Addison

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 12:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Openbook 9.0

Addison, OpenBook 9.0 was last updated in February of 2018. You can download the latest 9.0 release from this page.
https://support.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/OpenBook

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 11/27/2020 12:36 PM, O.Addison Gethers wrote:

Hi All I have this Openbook 9.0 version since 2010 ,Is there a new verson of Openbook version ? If so ,where can I get it from?

Addison

Re: Setting for Jarte

Jasmine Kotsay

#84353

Just to clarify, does enhance edit mode have to be on or off. I did the same thing, but didn’t get the same results.

Show quoted text

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 10:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Setting for Jarte

Ah, yes, I see the problem. From the Setting Center type "edit" and toggle the setting for enhanced edit mode. That should definitely fix the problem.

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 11/27/2020 1:03 PM, David Griffith wrote:

Thanks for this but this was not the setting change I was looking for.
Jaws 2021 will not interact with the text even with Jarte in screenreader mode. So I cannot for example navigate by word, though I can with Jaws 2020 and NVDA.
From memory it might be something to do with turning advance edit mode off or something like that in the Jaws settings.
I will go and have a look.

David G.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: David Goldfield
Sent: 27 November 2020 13:18
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Setting for Jarte

Hi. From this page:

If Jarte does not recognize your screen reader program then you can force Jarte to switch to screen reader mode by copying the phrase "enable screen reader mode" to the Windows clipboard before starting Jarte. This only needs to be done one time.
Note to JAWS users: Jarte is currently unable to recognize the presence of the JAWS screen reader. If you are using JAWS then you will need to use the method described in the preceeding paragraph to force Jarte into screen reader mode.
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 11/27/2020 8:02 AM, David Griffith wrote:
Could somebody remind me of the setting change needed to make Jarte work properly with Jaws? I think it was David who helpfully provided this a few weeks ago. Now I have JFW 2021 of course Jarte is no longer usable and I have instantly forgotten the setting change to Jaws needed to make it work again.
I can switch back to Jaws 2020 but it would be good to make 2021 compliant as well.
I will remember to save the tip this time.
David G.

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Re: Openbook 9.0

Dan Longmore

#84352

Hi,

Just a quick note of caution. If you have JAWS 2020 or 2021 installed Openbook 9.0 will not install properly. This from my own experience and after talking with Freedom this was the steps I needed to take.

Uninstall JAWS 2020 or 2021

Update or install Openbook 9.0

Re install JAWS 2020 or 2021.

The reason is that JAWS and Openbook use the same OCR components. JAWS has newer ones than Openbook and Openbook will hang at install unless you follow procedure above. This is from own personal experience and after checking with Freedom Scientific after I encountered the issue.

Unless someone gives different experience or has updated information that was the latest I have from Freedom and my own situation.

Again, just wanted to put the details out for a caution.

Dan

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 2:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Openbook 9.0

David I didn’t know that and thanks for telling me and give me the links to download it.

Addison

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 12:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Openbook 9.0

Addison, OpenBook 9.0 was last updated in February of 2018. You can download the latest 9.0 release from this page.
https://support.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/OpenBook

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 11/27/2020 12:36 PM, O.Addison Gethers wrote:

Hi All I have this Openbook 9.0 version since 2010 ,Is there a new verson of Openbook version ? If so ,where can I get it from?
Addison

Re: What is a not well known but great JAWS commands

David Kingsbury

#84351

Hi all,

Actually, I have never used the JAWS skim read because it reads either the first full sentence of every paragraph or first full line. I want to read just enough of a paragraph to get a sense of it and then move on. That does not always require reading a full sentence or line. Just the first four or five words might be enough. And if speed is the objective, and it is with skim reading, I don’t need to hear any more than what I need to hear. So you can do this in a couple of very quick and easy ways. First, hold down Control and keep it held down. Then press down arrow just enough to hear what you want to hear at the beginning of a paragraph, then hit down arrow again, and so on.

Or you can put JAWS in Quick keys mode with Insert Z and then just press P to jump to the next paragraph, P again and so on. Much more efficient than JAWS skim read.

David

Re: Openbook 9.0

O.Addison Gethers

#84350

David I didn’t know that and thanks for telling me and give me the links to download it.

Addison

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 12:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Openbook 9.0

Addison, OpenBook 9.0 was last updated in February of 2018. You can download the latest 9.0 release from this page.
https://support.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/OpenBook

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 11/27/2020 12:36 PM, O.Addison Gethers wrote:

Hi All I have this Openbook 9.0 version since 2010 ,Is there a new verson of Openbook version ? If so ,where can I get it from?
Addison

Re: Openbook 9.0

David Griffith

#84349

Just to say that I personally found that the download link for the English 32 and 64 bit version did not work even after multiple presses of the enter on the link, even executing from the the links list did not work.

However I eventually got it down by bringing up the context menu and selecting save link as in Chrome and that brought the latest install down OK.

David G.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: David Goldfield
Sent: 27 November 2020 17:45
Subject: Re: Openbook 9.0

Addison, OpenBook 9.0 was last updated in February of 2018. You can download the latest 9.0 release from this page.
https://support.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/OpenBook

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

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On 11/27/2020 12:36 PM, O.Addison Gethers wrote:

Hi All I have this Openbook 9.0 version since 2010 ,Is there a new verson of Openbook version ? If so ,where can I get it from?
Addison

Re: Mesage For Jim Weiss

Robbie Curtis

#84348

Yes he did provide his email address but I was unsure if he was receiving it in his inbox or if it went to spam. I figured I could get to him in this way and it worked!

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On Nov 26, 2020, at 11:02 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Mr. Weiss gave you his e-mail address yesterday:  Jimweiss72@...

Please, take this private.

--
Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042
One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.
           ~ André Gide

Re: Openbook 9.0

Richard Turner

#84347

They were probably saved with a different file name.
If you go to the settings menu and pick load settings, see what you have.



Richard
"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 10:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Openbook 9.0

The FS rep did save the settings.  At least save settings was pressed.  It is a mystery why the settings were not saved.

 -----Original Message-----
 From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard  Turner
 Sent: November 27, 2020 10:20 AM
 To: main@jfw.groups.io
 Subject: Re: Openbook 9.0

 The key with Openbook is to adjust your settings as you want them and then  save the settings.
 I have my most often used settings that I saved over top of the factory  settings, so when I start it up, it uses the modified default settings.
 You can save as many settings configurations as you want, just give them  different names.
 If the FS person who helped you did not have you save those settings, then  you need to recreate them, and then save the settings either over the  default, or with a unique name that you then have to load each time you boot  up...

 Richard
 "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.
 There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning  how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
 --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 Check out my web site at: https://eur05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&;amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cdbe061c275af465194d208d893018589%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637420982024236589%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=2w3Y0mRP0GGiAlkkYEpo0F4GcoVe5TUitECUtAVbZb8%3D&amp;reserved=0

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 -----Original Message-----
 From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David  Diamond
 Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 9:59 AM
 To: main@jfw.groups.io
 Subject: Re: Openbook 9.0

 How does OCR exactly work?  I too have open book 9.0 and it always reverts  back to the factory setting, slower then molasis in January.  Yes, I did contact  Vispero and he got it to work properly.  Only problem was as soon as I turned  off the computer then booted it up again, I had the same problem.  Thus will  the OCR be able to read scanned bills or letters the way open book is  supposed too?

  -----Original Message-----
  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
  Sent: November 27, 2020 9:46 AM
  To: main@jfw.groups.io
  Subject: Re: Openbook 9.0

  FS has not updated Open book for many years and since OCR is built in to  Jaws  I don't think Open Book will ever be updated.
  On 11/27/2020 11:36 AM, O.Addison Gethers wrote:
  > Hi All I have this Openbook 9.0 version  since 2010 ,Is there a new  > verson  of Openbook version ? If so ,where can I get it from?
  >
  > Addison
  >
  >

Re: Openbook 9.0

David Diamond

#84346

The FS rep did save the settings.  At least save settings was pressed.  It is a mystery why the settings were not saved.

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-----Original Message-----
 From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
 Turner
 Sent: November 27, 2020 10:20 AM
 To: main@jfw.groups.io
 Subject: Re: Openbook 9.0

 The key with Openbook is to adjust your settings as you want them and then
 save the settings.
 I have my most often used settings that I saved over top of the factory
 settings, so when I start it up, it uses the modified default settings.
 You can save as many settings configurations as you want, just give them
 different names.
 If the FS person who helped you did not have you save those settings, then
 you need to recreate them, and then save the settings either over the
 default, or with a unique name that you then have to load each time you boot
 up...

 Richard
 "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.
 There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning
 how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
 --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 *I'm not the card shark

 -----Original Message-----
 From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David
 Diamond
 Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 9:59 AM
 To: main@jfw.groups.io
 Subject: Re: Openbook 9.0

 How does OCR exactly work?  I too have open book 9.0 and it always reverts
 back to the factory setting, slower then molasis in January.  Yes, I did contact
 Vispero and he got it to work properly.  Only problem was as soon as I turned
 off the computer then booted it up again, I had the same problem.  Thus will
 the OCR be able to read scanned bills or letters the way open book is
 supposed too?

  -----Original Message-----
  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
  Sent: November 27, 2020 9:46 AM
  To: main@jfw.groups.io
  Subject: Re: Openbook 9.0

  FS has not updated Open book for many years and since OCR is built in to
 Jaws  I don't think Open Book will ever be updated.
  On 11/27/2020 11:36 AM, O.Addison Gethers wrote:
  > Hi All I have this Openbook 9.0 version  since 2010 ,Is there a new  > verson
 of Openbook version ? If so ,where can I get it from?
  >
  > Addison
  >
  >

Re: Openbook 9.0

Richard Turner

#84345

The key with Openbook is to adjust your settings as you want them and then save the settings.
I have my most often used settings that I saved over top of the factory settings, so when I start it up, it uses the modified default settings.
You can save as many settings configurations as you want, just give them different names.
If the FS person who helped you did not have you save those settings, then you need to recreate them, and then save the settings either over the default, or with a unique name that you then have to load each time you boot up...



Richard
"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

*I'm not the card shark

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 9:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Openbook 9.0

How does OCR exactly work?  I too have open book 9.0 and it always reverts back to the factory setting, slower then molasis in January.  Yes, I did contact Vispero and he got it to work properly.  Only problem was as soon as I turned off the computer then booted it up again, I had the same problem.  Thus will the OCR be able to read scanned bills or letters the way open book is supposed too?

 -----Original Message-----
 From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
 Sent: November 27, 2020 9:46 AM
 To: main@jfw.groups.io
 Subject: Re: Openbook 9.0

 FS has not updated Open book for many years and since OCR is built in to Jaws  I don't think Open Book will ever be updated.
 On 11/27/2020 11:36 AM, O.Addison Gethers wrote:
 > Hi All I have this Openbook 9.0 version  since 2010 ,Is there a new  > verson of Openbook version ? If so ,where can I get it from?
 >
 > Addison
 >
 >

Re: Openbook 9.0

Justin Williams

#84344

I haven' tused the ocr in JAWS for a while.

Is it as good as open book?

It wasn't a few years ago, so for me, open book worked better, but I guess
JAWS 2021 is great then?

Justin

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
Diamond
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 12:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Openbook 9.0

How does OCR exactly work?  I too have open book 9.0 and it always reverts
back to the factory setting, slower then molasis in January.  Yes, I did
contact Vispero and he got it to work properly.  Only problem was as soon as
I turned off the computer then booted it up again, I had the same problem.
Thus will the OCR be able to read scanned bills or letters the way open book
is supposed too?

 -----Original Message-----
 From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
 Sent: November 27, 2020 9:46 AM
 To: main@jfw.groups.io
 Subject: Re: Openbook 9.0

 FS has not updated Open book for many years and since OCR is built in to
Jaws  I don't think Open Book will ever be updated.
 On 11/27/2020 11:36 AM, O.Addison Gethers wrote:
 > Hi All I have this Openbook 9.0 version  since 2010 ,Is there a new  >
verson of Openbook version ? If so ,where can I get it from?
 >
 > Addison
 >
 >