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Re: annual subscription for Canadian users

Mario
 

in one of the fairly recent FSCasts, Eric mentioned that FS is working
on the annual subscription plan for Canada, and your guess as to when
it'll become available is as good as mine. based on this, I don't think
you'll be blocked, it simply wouldn't be working yet.

------- Original Message --------
From: Cynthia Bruce [mailto:cynthia.bruce@...]
Sent: Wed, Feb 20, 2019 5:06 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: annual subscription for Canadian users

Hello Again,

I see on the Freedom Scientific E-store that the annual subscription is
only available for US users. If I try to download is it really going to
block me because I am in Canada? It seems so much more cost effective to
do the subscription at work, and it might actually help me keep up since
we are using Office 365 at the university where I teach. Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Cynthia


Re: ICloud for Windows and JAWS

Marty Hutchings
 

I am with Barbara on this one.  iCloud is incompatible with JAWS 18 on my Windows 7 machine.
 
Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
 

Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: ICloud for Windows and JAWS
 

If it is properly set up an iCloud Drive folder will be created on your computer, I believe it is in your user folder, and just as with Dropbox and OneDrive files that are saved in it will appear in it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Barbara
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 4:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: ICloud for Windows and JAWS

 

Hello Everyone

 

I have some files on my IPhone which I wish to transfer to my Windows 7 computer.  The files are currently located in the Files folder on my IPhone.  It was suggested I use ICloud for Windows.  I have never used it before.  I had it on my computer from some unknown cause in the past.  Anyhow, I opened the program and it requested my Apple ID and password.  I provided that.  Then nothing clear is happening.  I pressed insert-W and it gave me a list of basic windows hot keys.  I tabbed some and got something which said check box but did not let me know what it was for.  I can tab to various things.  One was storage.  I went into that and could not figure it out as I tabbed around. 

 

Note I am using JAWS 2019.

 

Any tips on how to use this program?  I also have a second computer which is Windows 10, so if the tips are different for each OS, let me know both.

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

Barbara

 


What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

Tim Ford
 

Hi All,

 

A couple of days ago JAWS started giving me a message “new notification”.  I get no other message.  I tried the JAWS scanning option on the window, but JAWS said there is no window.  Any ideas on how I access this message?  I hate to just ignore it, in case it is some sort of security risk.

 

Thanks,

Tim Ford

 


Re: how do I get Chrome to save pass words and email addresses?

Steve Nutt
 

Alt+Shift+A does it as well, takes you straight to the notification.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Doering
Sent: 20 February 2019 13:10
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how do I get Chrome to save pass words and email addresses?

 

I believe you can also hit F6 once signed in to get a dialog to save the password for the site.

 

HTH,

 

 

 

John Doering

Administrative Pricing Asst 

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 5:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how do I get Chrome to save pass words and email addresses?

 

Chrome Menu, Settings, Autofill Section, Passwords Item, Offer to Save Passwords toggle must be ON.  Also, if you wish for Chrome to automatically sign you in, make sure the Auto Sign-In toggle is set to ON.
--

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   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

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Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Debbie,

 

In Windows 10, you can uncheck it, but if any programs don’t read correctly, you’ll need to check it again.

 

For example, as I said, Notetab Pro won’t read if you uncheck accessibility driver.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Debbie April Yuille
Sent: 20 February 2019 13:08
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Hi Steve

 

Should I have the accessibility driver checked or unchecked in windows 10?

 

Thanks

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 2019 8:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Hi,

 

Try the touch cursor, even if you have a keyboard.  I’d say it’s almost as good.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: 19 February 2019 16:23
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Looking forward to the day when the JAWS cursor works again.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 2/19/2019 12:19 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

James,

 

Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52

Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.


Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

Mike B. <mike9902@...>
 

Hi Sieghard,
 
Thank you very much for that reminder.  Since that is a folder I visit frequently I've taken ownership of it and unhid it.
Take Care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

Hi Mike,

 

Just as a small addition to your steps:

The AppData folder is a hidden folder so unless you choose to display hidden folders it won’t show up.

Easiest way I think it to open the run dialogue and type AppData all in one word, it will take you straight there whether you have it hidden or not.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 10:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

Hi Dave,

 

Another way to do it using a different Jaws version if this ever happens again or something similar is the following.

Note: I'm using Jaws 16 to access the Jaws2019 settings.

1. Press, Windows key + R, to open the Run dialogue, type a single period, as in a period at the end of a sentence, and press enter.  This is a shortcut keystroke to your User / Name folder.

2. Press enter on, AppData, press enter on, Roaming, and press enter on, Freedom Scientific.

3. Press enter on, JAWS, navigate to the Jaws version you need to work with, press enter, arrow to / highlight, Settings, press enter, arrow to / highlight, ENU, and press enter.

Now in the Jaws2019 ENU folder you can remove or do whatever you have to do to the necessary files.

Take Care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave...

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 9:29 AM

Subject: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

Update. Finally got JAWS 2019 working. Had to remove and install fresh, and also had to delete/rename the last two user settings that had changed: settings.ini and default.jcf. In retrospect, I suspect that if I had simply used NVDA to go to my user settings in JAWS 2019 and just deleted those two files, JAWS 2019 would have repaired itself just fine. But man, that was pretty daunting and a time-waste.

 

If you have Windows 7, absolutely *do not* uncheck that Accessibility Driver in the default settings.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave...

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 08:25

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Mike,

 

Nope. You're absolutely correct.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Mote

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 07:58

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Hi Mike.  If I am not mistaken, I believe the Mirror Display driver is used on Windows 7 computers, and is replaced by the Accessibility driver starting with the Windows 8 operating system.  Anyone using Windows 7 should continue using the Mirror display driver.  That was my understanding of the process, but I could be wrong.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 9:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Here's the explanation of the Accessibility Driver from the default Settings Center:

The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases.
Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver.
This check box is selected by default.

Take Care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave...

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:00 AM

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Sieghard,

 

Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

James,

 

Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: James Homuth

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52

Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.


Re: how do I get Chrome to save pass words and email addresses?

John Doering
 

I believe you can also hit F6 once signed in to get a dialog to save the password for the site.

 

HTH,

 

 

 

John Doering

Administrative Pricing Asst 

 
p. 4147783040 Extn:4063  t. 800-642-8778

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 5:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how do I get Chrome to save pass words and email addresses?

 

Chrome Menu, Settings, Autofill Section, Passwords Item, Offer to Save Passwords toggle must be ON.  Also, if you wish for Chrome to automatically sign you in, make sure the Auto Sign-In toggle is set to ON.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

Debbie April Yuille
 

Hi Steve

 

Should I have the accessibility driver checked or unchecked in windows 10?

 

Thanks

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 2019 8:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Hi,

 

Try the touch cursor, even if you have a keyboard.  I’d say it’s almost as good.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: 19 February 2019 16:23
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Looking forward to the day when the JAWS cursor works again.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 2/19/2019 12:19 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

James,

 

Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52

Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.


Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

Debbie April Yuille
 

I totally second that. While I can use a mac quite well with Voice Over, I have moved exclusively back to windows because of the greater functionality that JAWS gives me.

 

Debbie

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 2019 8:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

Hi,

 

I believe you’ll lose a lot of functionality when you hit the Mac.  JAWS is a much more capable screen reader than VoiceOver, but that’s just my opinion.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: 19 February 2019 19:50
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

James,

 

All well understood, but knowing that JAWS 2019 will run on a Win 7 machine, I pointed out to them just now that they should either disable that choice when a Win 7 op system is detected (and I'm sure that's easy for them to do), or at least put some warnings in their description text.

 

By the time they come out with a JAWS version that does not run on Windows 7, I'll be on a MacBook and away from JAWS.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 11:34

Subject: Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

On a related note, you’ve just discovered a hidden warning it may be worth planning for. Specifically, I wouldn’t hold my breath on JAWS continuing to support Win7 after about version 2020 or 2021. That’s too fundamental a change to make backwards compatible, especially if it proves to actually fix the JAWS cursor issue in later OS’s. Plus, you know, there’s that whole thing about Win7 not being supported past 2020 by Microsoft.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: February-19-19 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

Update. Finally got JAWS 2019 working. Had to remove and install fresh, and also had to delete/rename the last two user settings that had changed: settings.ini and default.jcf. In retrospect, I suspect that if I had simply used NVDA to go to my user settings in JAWS 2019 and just deleted those two files, JAWS 2019 would have repaired itself just fine. But man, that was pretty daunting and a time-waste.

 

If you have Windows 7, absolutely *do not* uncheck that Accessibility Driver in the default settings.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave...

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 08:25

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Mike,

 

Nope. You're absolutely correct.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 07:58

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Hi Mike.  If I am not mistaken, I believe the Mirror Display driver is used on Windows 7 computers, and is replaced by the Accessibility driver starting with the Windows 8 operating system.  Anyone using Windows 7 should continue using the Mirror display driver.  That was my understanding of the process, but I could be wrong.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 9:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Here's the explanation of the Accessibility Driver from the default Settings Center:

The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases.
Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver.
This check box is selected by default.

Take Care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave...

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:00 AM

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Sieghard,

 

Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

James,

 

Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52

Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.


annual subscription for Canadian users

Cynthia Bruce
 

Hello Again,

 

I see on the Freedom Scientific E-store that the annual subscription is only available for US users. If I try to download is it really going to block me because I am in Canada? It seems so much more cost effective to do the subscription at work, and it might actually help me keep up since we are using Office 365 at the university where I teach. Any thoughts?

 

Thanks,

 

Cynthia


JAWS 17 and Chrome

Cynthia Bruce
 

Hi All,

 

I just started using chrome for most of my browsing, but I am encountering a couple of issues. First, JAWS doesn’t seem to be reading anything in list or combo boxes when I hit enter to go into them. I have to arrow down and then exit for it to read what I have selected. Second, I can’t seem to locate, or open, PDF documents. When I click on one, I hear “open embedded document”. When I click on that, I have no idea how to get to the actual document and read it.

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

Cynthia


Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

I believe you’ll lose a lot of functionality when you hit the Mac.  JAWS is a much more capable screen reader than VoiceOver, but that’s just my opinion.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: 19 February 2019 19:50
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

James,

 

All well understood, but knowing that JAWS 2019 will run on a Win 7 machine, I pointed out to them just now that they should either disable that choice when a Win 7 op system is detected (and I'm sure that's easy for them to do), or at least put some warnings in their description text.

 

By the time they come out with a JAWS version that does not run on Windows 7, I'll be on a MacBook and away from JAWS.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 11:34

Subject: Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

On a related note, you’ve just discovered a hidden warning it may be worth planning for. Specifically, I wouldn’t hold my breath on JAWS continuing to support Win7 after about version 2020 or 2021. That’s too fundamental a change to make backwards compatible, especially if it proves to actually fix the JAWS cursor issue in later OS’s. Plus, you know, there’s that whole thing about Win7 not being supported past 2020 by Microsoft.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: February-19-19 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

Update. Finally got JAWS 2019 working. Had to remove and install fresh, and also had to delete/rename the last two user settings that had changed: settings.ini and default.jcf. In retrospect, I suspect that if I had simply used NVDA to go to my user settings in JAWS 2019 and just deleted those two files, JAWS 2019 would have repaired itself just fine. But man, that was pretty daunting and a time-waste.

 

If you have Windows 7, absolutely *do not* uncheck that Accessibility Driver in the default settings.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave...

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 08:25

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Mike,

 

Nope. You're absolutely correct.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 07:58

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Hi Mike.  If I am not mistaken, I believe the Mirror Display driver is used on Windows 7 computers, and is replaced by the Accessibility driver starting with the Windows 8 operating system.  Anyone using Windows 7 should continue using the Mirror display driver.  That was my understanding of the process, but I could be wrong.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 9:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Here's the explanation of the Accessibility Driver from the default Settings Center:

The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases.
Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver.
This check box is selected by default.

Take Care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave...

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:00 AM

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Sieghard,

 

Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

James,

 

Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52

Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.


Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

Try the touch cursor, even if you have a keyboard.  I’d say it’s almost as good.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: 19 February 2019 16:23
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Looking forward to the day when the JAWS cursor works again.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~
 

On 2/19/2019 12:19 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

James,

 

Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52

Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.


Re: Warning - Uncheck "Accessibility Driver at your own risk

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

That’s actually a Vispero problem.  They should not allow you to uncheck it if you are below Windows 10.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: 19 February 2019 15:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Warning - Uncheck "Accessibility Driver at your own risk

 

Mike,

 

Okay, so I have Windows 7. Therefore I should not have unchecked the "Use accessibility driver" in the default setting.

 

Because I cannot even do a JAWS 2019 repair now. It crashes. I'm back to JAWS 2018 until I unscramble this mess.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Mike B.

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 06:00

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Here's the explanation of the Accessibility Driver from the default Settings Center:

The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases.
Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver.
This check box is selected by default.

Take Care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave...

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:00 AM

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Sieghard,

 

Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

James,

 

Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52

Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.


Re: trying to learn how to use Chrome, and having issues.

Steve Nutt
 

No, they don’t.  In Internet Explorer, CTRL+L is for a Local file.  If you type a URL in it, it will still work, rather than saying don’t be so silly. <Smile>.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: 19 February 2019 08:42
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: trying to learn how to use Chrome, and having issues.

 

In Internet Explorer, CTRL+L and CTRL+O, both take you to the place where you can type a URL address.

 

Sincerely:

 

Dave Durber

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 10:48 PM

Subject: Re: trying to learn how to use Chrome, and having issues.

 

Control-l is what gives you a place to type in a website or search.  This is an adjustment from using control-o to open a website with internet explorer.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 1:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: trying to learn how to use Chrome, and having issues.

 

Hi all,

I have the tutorial here, by David Moore. I have read it, and am still having issues. I can’t even get to a web site I want. So, I open Chrome. I hit the windows key up arrow to make sure that chrome is maximized. Then I try to type in the web site I want. And so I hit Control O, and before I can type in anything, I hear, OAKPT2. So I back space that out, and type in what I want. And I hear an ok button. So I hit the space bar, and nothing happens after that. I am running windows ten and jaws 2019. What the heck am I doing wrong? I want to use this browser as my default, but not if it is this hard to use. Jim


Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

Steve Nutt
 

Sounds like you may need an update to your video driver.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: 19 February 2019 08:01
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Sieghard,

 

Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

James,

 

Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52

Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.


Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

There are some programs that unchecking the accessibility driver will break.  Notably NoteTab Pro, which is a text/HTML editor that I use.

 

Just be aware.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: 19 February 2019 05:33
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Worth looking at when I have a chance to sit down with it. I want to say we were running 2018 on this machine in demo mode, so perhaps if I feel daring I’ll see what 2019 can do.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: February-19-19 12:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

I am not sure if the mirror display driver is the same thing, but I just checked here with Jaws 2019 and it is called the ”Freedom Scientific Accessibility Display Driver”.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Nope. We had either 18 or 2018 on this machine and they were still there. Uninstalling it now because it’s making life complicated.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: February-19-19 12:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

James,

 

Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52

Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.


Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

Hi Mike,

 

Just as a small addition to your steps:

The AppData folder is a hidden folder so unless you choose to display hidden folders it won’t show up.

Easiest way I think it to open the run dialogue and type AppData all in one word, it will take you straight there whether you have it hidden or not.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 10:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

Hi Dave,

 

Another way to do it using a different Jaws version if this ever happens again or something similar is the following.

Note: I'm using Jaws 16 to access the Jaws2019 settings.

1. Press, Windows key + R, to open the Run dialogue, type a single period, as in a period at the end of a sentence, and press enter.  This is a shortcut keystroke to your User / Name folder.

2. Press enter on, AppData, press enter on, Roaming, and press enter on, Freedom Scientific.

3. Press enter on, JAWS, navigate to the Jaws version you need to work with, press enter, arrow to / highlight, Settings, press enter, arrow to / highlight, ENU, and press enter.

Now in the Jaws2019 ENU folder you can remove or do whatever you have to do to the necessary files.

Take Care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave...

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 9:29 AM

Subject: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

Update. Finally got JAWS 2019 working. Had to remove and install fresh, and also had to delete/rename the last two user settings that had changed: settings.ini and default.jcf. In retrospect, I suspect that if I had simply used NVDA to go to my user settings in JAWS 2019 and just deleted those two files, JAWS 2019 would have repaired itself just fine. But man, that was pretty daunting and a time-waste.

 

If you have Windows 7, absolutely *do not* uncheck that Accessibility Driver in the default settings.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave...

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 08:25

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Mike,

 

Nope. You're absolutely correct.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Mote

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 07:58

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Hi Mike.  If I am not mistaken, I believe the Mirror Display driver is used on Windows 7 computers, and is replaced by the Accessibility driver starting with the Windows 8 operating system.  Anyone using Windows 7 should continue using the Mirror display driver.  That was my understanding of the process, but I could be wrong.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 9:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Here's the explanation of the Accessibility Driver from the default Settings Center:

The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases.
Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver.
This check box is selected by default.

Take Care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave...

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:00 AM

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Sieghard,

 

Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

James,

 

Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: James Homuth

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52

Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.


Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Hi Dave,

 

I would restart the computer and see if that fixes it, I certainly have not ever have Jaws crash and refuse to load and I check and uncheck the accessibility driver often several times a day for testing purposes (I’m in the Jaws private beta group) and also because in some of the applications I use Jaws works better using the new GDI Hooking (accessibility display driverunchecked) and in other applications it’s better if I use the accessibility display driver.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Sieghard,

 

Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

James,

 

Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: James Homuth

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52

Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.


Re: ICloud for Windows and JAWS

 

If it is properly set up an iCloud Drive folder will be created on your computer, I believe it is in your user folder, and just as with Dropbox and OneDrive files that are saved in it will appear in it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Barbara
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 4:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: ICloud for Windows and JAWS

 

Hello Everyone

 

I have some files on my IPhone which I wish to transfer to my Windows 7 computer.  The files are currently located in the Files folder on my IPhone.  It was suggested I use ICloud for Windows.  I have never used it before.  I had it on my computer from some unknown cause in the past.  Anyhow, I opened the program and it requested my Apple ID and password.  I provided that.  Then nothing clear is happening.  I pressed insert-W and it gave me a list of basic windows hot keys.  I tabbed some and got something which said check box but did not let me know what it was for.  I can tab to various things.  One was storage.  I went into that and could not figure it out as I tabbed around. 

 

Note I am using JAWS 2019.

 

Any tips on how to use this program?  I also have a second computer which is Windows 10, so if the tips are different for each OS, let me know both.

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

Barbara