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The menu bar in Firefox does not seem to be always visible

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi!

 

Even though I have the View > Toolbars > Menu Bar “checked” in Firefox, it does not seem to be always visible.  When I press only the alt key, nothing happens.  However, if I press for example alt+f, then the menu bar *is* visible; and I can then navigate it.  How can I make the menu bar always visible?

 

I am using the latest builds of both JAWS 2019 and Firefox, and running under Windows 7.

 

Thanks,

Richard


Re: Drop Down List in Excel

 

Combo boxes are, by their very nature, a hybrid between a text box that allows you to type in data and a dropdown box that allows you to select it.  As a general rule, typing the first character will get you the first item with that character (if there is more than one), if you then type the second character it will limit the choices to those that share those first two characters.

If you know what the values are in these long lists just start typing, you should soon be limited to one.

The best analogy I can give outside excel of the same behavior is the state box in a USPS ZIP Code lookup.  If you go to, https://tools.usps.com/zip-code-lookup.htm?bycitystate,  Then enter anything in the city, tab over to the state, and pick any state where you know that there are multiples that start with the same letter.  In my case, Virginia.  If I type V in that field the first thing that pops up is "VT - Vermont," if I hit V again it shows "VI - Virgin Islands," and if I hit V again finally "VA - Virginia."  If, though I actually type VA it instantly closes to Virginia.   This is the sort of behavior you typically see in a combo box, regardless of the context.

If you had a Combo Box where the four choices were the male names, "Alexander, Bradley, Brian, Christopher," typing an A would instantly close on the first and a C on the last.  A single B would start with Bradley and if you hit it again, shift to Brian.  Since both of the B names start with BR you'd get even the same thing typing the first two characters.  But typing B R A would immediately bring up only Bradley.

In any case, once you're familiar with the entries you typically use, just typing enough of the characters necessary to close on the correct choice is usually the fastest way to get it if the list is very long.
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   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: accessible project management/collaboration software

Dave...
 

Paul,
 
I used MS Project manager several years ago. I was able to enter data for the various steps and sub steps in the project, but was not able to actually "see" the flow diagram nor the fishbone diagram. With care and lots of trial and error I was able to use it, but not very efficiently.
 
Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: paul lemm
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 11:33
Subject: accessible project management/collaboration software

Hi,

 

So I’m working on a project with some other people , one of the sighted members of the group has suggested we look into some project management software or online collaboration tool where we can all log what we’re doing/working on so others from the group can see  exactly what we  are all doing and our progress on that work. So just wondering if anyone from this group has used anything like this and has any suggestions for either an online tool or piece  of  software that would do this and work well with Jaws?

 

Regards

 

Paul


accessible project management/collaboration software

paul lemm
 

Hi,

 

So I’m working on a project with some other people , one of the sighted members of the group has suggested we look into some project management software or online collaboration tool where we can all log what we’re doing/working on so others from the group can see  exactly what we  are all doing and our progress on that work. So just wondering if anyone from this group has used anything like this and has any suggestions for either an online tool or piece  of  software that would do this and work well with Jaws?

 

Regards

 

Paul


Re: Drop Down List in Excel

Scott Rumery
 

Jaws is saying that these are combo boxes.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 12:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drop Down List in Excel

 

It's also important to know the exact Excel Object Type.  A true dropdown is different than a text list box is different than a combo box.

The combo box is the easiest to deal with, in my opinion.

I know you have no control over how the spreadsheets have been created, but there are slight differences depending on which of the above is actually being used.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Drop Down List in Excel

Scott Rumery
 

No it doesn’t. It would seem as though the only way to navigate a drop down list in Excel is either with the up and down arrows or by going to the beginning or end of the list with the home or end keys on the keyboard. You can also use the page up or page down keys, but you cannot quickly jump to an item in the list. I have even tried using the Jaws Find command but it doesn’t work in a drop list.

 

 

Scott

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 10:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drop Down List in Excel

 

Does first-letter navigation work, once the box is opened?

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 08:15

Subject: Drop Down List in Excel

 

Hello,

 

Is there a way for me to quickly jump to an item in a drop down list in Excel? I am having to work with a spreadsheet that has several drop downs that are very long and if I could quickly jump to a particular part of the list then it would make my job a little easier.

 

Thank You,

 

Scott Rumery


Re: Drop Down List in Excel

Jay <jcoffin@...>
 

Hi.

 

I’ve forwarded this message to Vispero Technical support. I’ll reply back to the list when I have an answer.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 9:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drop Down List in Excel

 

It's also important to know the exact Excel Object Type.  A true dropdown is different than a text list box is different than a combo box.

The combo box is the easiest to deal with, in my opinion.

I know you have no control over how the spreadsheets have been created, but there are slight differences depending on which of the above is actually being used.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Drop Down List in Excel

 

It's also important to know the exact Excel Object Type.  A true dropdown is different than a text list box is different than a combo box.

The combo box is the easiest to deal with, in my opinion.

I know you have no control over how the spreadsheets have been created, but there are slight differences depending on which of the above is actually being used.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Drop Down List in Excel

Dave...
 

Does first-letter navigation work, once the box is opened?
 
Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 08:15
Subject: Drop Down List in Excel

Hello,

 

Is there a way for me to quickly jump to an item in a drop down list in Excel? I am having to work with a spreadsheet that has several drop downs that are very long and if I could quickly jump to a particular part of the list then it would make my job a little easier.

 

Thank You,

 

Scott Rumery


Drop Down List in Excel

Scott Rumery
 

Hello,

 

Is there a way for me to quickly jump to an item in a drop down list in Excel? I am having to work with a spreadsheet that has several drop downs that are very long and if I could quickly jump to a particular part of the list then it would make my job a little easier.

 

Thank You,

 

Scott Rumery


Re: Using Waterfox

netbat66
 

thats because you have to reload waterfox the first time so it can detect your screen reader.
another thing, if you switch screen readers while waterfox is running there function keys will not work until you reload waterfox
if you are going to switch screen readers you have to do it before waterfox is loaded. then it will work.

-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Kwanashie
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 9:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using Waterfox

Actually, it's now working fine.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Kwanashie
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 11:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using Waterfox

The latest version of Waterfox is not accessible to JAWS. What is the
latest accessible version and where can I download it?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 3:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using Waterfox

I don't have a JAWS-related solution for you, but if you press escape when
using the ctrl-f find function, you will find your cursor in the right
position and the find dialog box will close. As was already said, pressing
f3 should get you to the next occurrence of the search.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: February 14, 2019 2:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using Waterfox

Hello there:

Due to an injury to the little finger on my right hand, I find pressing
keystrokes such as INSERT+CTRL a problem. Not only that, when you press
CTRL+F and type a search term on a page, I find that when you press
CTRL+ENTER,
to activate the search function, it does not appear to take you to the
result, if it finds it!

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "JM Casey" <jmcasey@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: Using Waterfox


Yeah, ctrl-f activates the browser's find function and not JAWS's, I
noticed that as well. That's actually ok I think as that's the way
browsers are meant to function. Is it that much of a pain for you to
use insert-ctrl-f instead? You already have to do this in for examplea
dobe reader...

That said I'm sure you could remap the keystroke somehow. I don't
think jAWS has separate keyboard/script files for waterfox, and that's
why the virtual find doesn't work the same. You could probably create
one if you watned to.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: February 14, 2019 11:22 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Using Waterfox

Hello everyone:

Using Windows 7 and JAWS Version 2018, I installed WaterFox on one of
my computers this morning.

So far, I have found one irritating thing, that is, When I press
CTRL+F, JAWS now says, "Search in page", followed by the word edit.

How can I apply the keystroke, INSERT+CTRL+F, which is the JAWS search
command to CTRL+F, instead.

So far, with the limited use I have had using this browser, I am
liking its speed and accessing the web pages I have visited.

Thank you in anticipation for any suggestions.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber








Re: Using Waterfox

Patrick Kwanashie
 

Actually, it's now working fine.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Kwanashie
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 11:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using Waterfox

The latest version of Waterfox is not accessible to JAWS. What is the
latest accessible version and where can I download it?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 3:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using Waterfox

I don't have a JAWS-related solution for you, but if you press escape when
using the ctrl-f find function, you will find your cursor in the right
position and the find dialog box will close. As was already said, pressing
f3 should get you to the next occurrence of the search.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: February 14, 2019 2:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using Waterfox

Hello there:

Due to an injury to the little finger on my right hand, I find pressing
keystrokes such as INSERT+CTRL a problem. Not only that, when you press
CTRL+F and type a search term on a page, I find that when you press
CTRL+ENTER,
to activate the search function, it does not appear to take you to the
result, if it finds it!

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "JM Casey" <jmcasey@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: Using Waterfox


Yeah, ctrl-f activates the browser's find function and not JAWS's, I
noticed that as well. That's actually ok I think as that's the way
browsers are meant to function. Is it that much of a pain for you to
use insert-ctrl-f instead? You already have to do this in for examplea
dobe reader...

That said I'm sure you could remap the keystroke somehow. I don't
think jAWS has separate keyboard/script files for waterfox, and that's
why the virtual find doesn't work the same. You could probably create
one if you watned to.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: February 14, 2019 11:22 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Using Waterfox

Hello everyone:

Using Windows 7 and JAWS Version 2018, I installed WaterFox on one of
my computers this morning.

So far, I have found one irritating thing, that is, When I press
CTRL+F, JAWS now says, "Search in page", followed by the word edit.

How can I apply the keystroke, INSERT+CTRL+F, which is the JAWS search
command to CTRL+F, instead.

So far, with the limited use I have had using this browser, I am
liking its speed and accessing the web pages I have visited.

Thank you in anticipation for any suggestions.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber








Re: Using Waterfox

Patrick Kwanashie
 

The latest version of Waterfox is not accessible to JAWS. What is the
latest accessible version and where can I download it?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 3:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using Waterfox

I don't have a JAWS-related solution for you, but if you press escape when
using the ctrl-f find function, you will find your cursor in the right
position and the find dialog box will close. As was already said, pressing
f3 should get you to the next occurrence of the search.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: February 14, 2019 2:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using Waterfox

Hello there:

Due to an injury to the little finger on my right hand, I find pressing
keystrokes such as INSERT+CTRL a problem. Not only that, when you press
CTRL+F and type a search term on a page, I find that when you press
CTRL+ENTER,
to activate the search function, it does not appear to take you to the
result, if it finds it!

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "JM Casey" <jmcasey@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: Using Waterfox


Yeah, ctrl-f activates the browser's find function and not JAWS's, I
noticed that as well. That's actually ok I think as that's the way
browsers are meant to function. Is it that much of a pain for you to
use insert-ctrl-f instead? You already have to do this in for examplea
dobe reader...

That said I'm sure you could remap the keystroke somehow. I don't
think jAWS has separate keyboard/script files for waterfox, and that's
why the virtual find doesn't work the same. You could probably create
one if you watned to.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: February 14, 2019 11:22 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Using Waterfox

Hello everyone:

Using Windows 7 and JAWS Version 2018, I installed WaterFox on one of
my computers this morning.

So far, I have found one irritating thing, that is, When I press
CTRL+F, JAWS now says, "Search in page", followed by the word edit.

How can I apply the keystroke, INSERT+CTRL+F, which is the JAWS search
command to CTRL+F, instead.

So far, with the limited use I have had using this browser, I am
liking its speed and accessing the web pages I have visited.

Thank you in anticipation for any suggestions.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber








Re: Jaws 2019 and photo copy

Tom <tomcat509@...>
 

Thanks for your input Sieghard

 

Cheers

Tom

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, 16 February 2019 1:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 2019 and photo copy

 

No, Jaws can OCR PDF and other image files, but there is no photocopy feature and  hopefully there never will be since you need a scanner to scan something and then print it again and all scanners whether stand-alone scanners or all-in-one devices come with software that can do this.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 5:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 2019 and photo copy

 

Hi,

 

 

Using latest W10 64 bit Home  and latest Jaws 2019 Home

 

Does the latest Jaws have a builtin photo copier facility?

 

If so, how can it be accessed?

 

Thanks

 

Tom

 

 


Re: Jaws on different devices

Tom <tomcat509@...>
 

Thanks for the info Bill.

Cheers

Tom

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, 16 February 2019 12:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws on different devices

 

It’s possible and legal to have your authorization of JAWS installed on up to three computers at once. The sticking point is that they tell you that you are not supposed to be using more than one device at the same time, even though you may have keys for three devices.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 6:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws on different devices

 

Hi,

 

Using latest Jaws 2019 Home  64 bit

 

Is it possible and legal to have the above Jaws version installed on a desktop and laptop at the same time? Or is it just one installation per licence?

 

Thanks

Tom

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: What happened to Doug Geoffray,

Ron Pelletier
 

Hi,

 

Doug wrote a lot more than just Word Talk. He had a series. He had one called Term Talk, a terminal software and also File Talk which was a great database software. I used it for several things on my Apple IIE.

 

From what I hear, Doug did not stay with VFO. He is with Microsoft as programming manager in the accessibility department working on Microsoft Narrator.  With him there, I expect the Narrator will be the equivalent built-in accessibility to Voice-Over for Microsoft. I am hopeful.

 

Ron & Danvers

   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 6:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What happened to Doug Geoffray,

 

Does anyone else remember that he wrote WordTalk (Computer Aids Corporation, mid 1980s, word processor for Apple II systems)?

 

From: <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
Reply-To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 12:12
To: "main@jfw.groups.io" <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: What happened to Doug Geoffray,

 

 

Doug is a program manager with the Narrator team at Microsoft and will be at CSUN.

Here is a link to the Microsoft Accessibility blog:

 

 

Richard

The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker

 


On Feb 14, 2019, at 7:30 AM, Tom Lange <lange85@...> wrote:

Hi,
I’d heard that He’s now at Microsoft but I wasn’t sure in what capacity. I wonder if he’s somehow responsible for the progress made with Narrator. With Doug at the helm, good things are surely in store. I wish him all the best.


On Feb 14, 2019, at 7:11 AM, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:

 

I have found that he is now a Senior Program Manager at Microsoft

 

On 2/14/2019 9:10 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

No.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H

Sent: 14 February 2019 14:52

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: What happened to Doug Geoffray,

After the demise of Window Eyes what happen to Doug Geoffray?  Is he still part of VFO

 

 

 

 

 


Re: using capslock with the desktop layout.

 

And for the sake of complete clarity, regardless of keyboard layout, my understanding is that the keyboard shortcuts for both layouts are available in either.

The trick being that what those shortcuts are often differs by more than just using a different modifier key (CAPS LOCK versus INSERT), and you have to use the full command with the syntax for the "shortcut style" chosen.

What I'm trying to say above is if some command in Desktop layout were to be INS+Y, and in Laptop layout were to be CAPS LOCK+CTRL+L then you can't just substitute CAPS LOCK in place of INS or vice versa for either shortcut.  If it is only the modifier key that differs, then you can.

I'm sure someone can confirm/refute the above.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Using Google Chrome

Flor Lynch
 

JAWS Keyboard Help – JAWSKey+1 - and your keystroke pressed, or  pressed twice quickly gives you more information – explains what the keystroke does.
 

Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 2:01 AM
Subject: Using Google Chrome

I’m using windows10 and Jaws2018 or jaws 2019. I’m on a web site and it says to press jaws key plus alt plus r to get descriptive text. I do and nothing is read. It doesn’t matter what web site I do this on nothing is read. The site tells me to do those key strokes. Is there something else I need to do? Or is the HTML code not setup for a alt label to state something about a link? Thanks, Kevin


Re: using capslock with the desktop layout.

Jerry Berrier <jerry.berrier@...>
 

I always use Laptop layout, and as far as I can tell, both caps lock and the insert key work equally well.

 

 

Jerry Berrier

Director of Education Technology

Perkins School for the Blind
175 North Beacon Street
Watertown MA 02472
P: 617-972-7826
Perkins.org

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 12:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: using capslock with the desktop layout.

 

I started using JAWS in version 2018.   

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 10:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: using capslock with the desktop layout.

 

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 11:32 AM, Van Lant, Robin wrote:

But when I used caps lock in desktop mode, it seemed that the insert key not longer acted as a JAWS key.

With what JAWS version?

It's been a while since I played with using laptop commands when the desktop layout was the chosen default, but when I did they worked without my needing to change over to laptop layout.  That was definitely in one of the high teens JAWS versions, before they went to the "year of release" nomenclature.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore



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Re: Jaws on different devices

WESLEY BURDEN
 

Yes you can install it on your desktop and your laptop at the same time ever since I purchased jaws I have done that you get three user keys when you purchase jaws to install it on three devices so yes you can


On Feb 15, 2019, at 9:14 PM, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:

It’s possible and legal to have your authorization of JAWS installed on up to three computers at once. The sticking point is that they tell you that you are not supposed to be using more than one device at the same time, even though you may have keys for three devices.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 6:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws on different devices

 

Hi,

 

Using latest Jaws 2019 Home  64 bit

 

Is it possible and legal to have the above Jaws version installed on a desktop and laptop at the same time? Or is it just one installation per licence?

 

Thanks

Tom