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Re: Reading a long Word document
Yes Tom, cntrl-windows-k to insert, alt-windows-k to retrieve. Take care, Takis
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:40 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Reading a long Word document
Is there a key command for inserting a bookmark?
Tom Behler
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward Green
Hi John,
I'd insert a bookmark at the place you want to leave off reading - the option is on the ribbon's insert tab.
When you reopen your document to resume reading, turn on JAWS quick keys with JAWS key+z, and navigate to the next bookmark by pressing the letter b until you land on the one you want.
Cheers,
Ed
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Re: Jaws speaking useless table information in Email
Mike B
You're most welcome. A quick question:
Do they make an app for this?
Read the wine list of your favorite wine store
for eSpecials? LOL LOL
Toast! Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws speaking useless table information in
Email Mike, thank you very much indeed! That fixed it. This will make a huge difference in reading the wines listed by my favorite wine store for his eSpecials….
Bottoms up~!
Richard "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Mike B
Hi Richard,
Give the follwoing a try: I don't run Outlook, so this is only something to try to see if it'll take care of what you're wanting. Open the Settings Center while in the application or open the default all applications Settings Center if you want to do this for all applications.
Down arrow to, Web / HTML / PDFs closed, right arrow to open.
Down arrow to, Reading, right arrow to open.
Down arrow to, Configure Web Verbosity Levels closed, right arrow to open.
Down arrow to, Medium..., press the spacebar to open. Note, don't press enter here, only use the spacebar.
Down arrow many times to, Table grid checked, and uncheck this.
Now, Okay, then apply, and okay. Take care. Mike. Sent from my
iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Turner Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 1:17 PM Subject: Jaws speaking useless table information in Email
Can anyone tell me how and where to stop Jaws 2020 from saying Table with 3 rows and 4 columns, and on and on, when reading an email? I attempted to find it in settings, but failed completely. I’m hoping that is an option that can be turned off.
Thanks, Richard
Richard "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.
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Re: Reading a long Word document
Ann Byrne
Shift+f5 is supposed to do that, but it almost never works for me.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 5:12 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Reading a long Word document
What version of Word are you using? I know that Word 2016 has a feature that will remember where you left off in a Word document the next time you open it. I get the prompt about whether I want to do this all the time. Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
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Re: Microsoft Teams
Shan Noyes
You need to get the jaws Scripps from Doug Lee because they are awesome and they make the use of Teams extremely easy in the Scripps will work with jaws 18 and 19 check out his website www.doyou league that’s DLEE.org/teams they are really good
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On May 6, 2020, at 4:37 PM, Milton Ota <mota1252@...> wrote:
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Re: Jaws speaking useless table information in Email
Richard Turner
Mike, thank you very much indeed! That fixed it. This will make a huge difference in reading the wines listed by my favorite wine store for his eSpecials….
Bottoms up~!
Richard "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Mike B
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:32 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Jaws speaking useless table information in Email
Hi Richard,
Give the follwoing a try: I don't run Outlook, so this is only something to try to see if it'll take care of what you're wanting. Open the Settings Center while in the application or open the default all applications Settings Center if you want to do this for all applications.
Down arrow to, Web / HTML / PDFs closed, right arrow to open.
Down arrow to, Reading, right arrow to open.
Down arrow to, Configure Web Verbosity Levels closed, right arrow to open.
Down arrow to, Medium..., press the spacebar to open. Note, don't press enter here, only use the spacebar.
Down arrow many times to, Table grid checked, and uncheck this.
Now, Okay, then apply, and okay. Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Turner Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 1:17 PM Subject: Jaws speaking useless table information in Email
Can anyone tell me how and where to stop Jaws 2020 from saying Table with 3 rows and 4 columns, and on and on, when reading an email? I attempted to find it in settings, but failed completely. I’m hoping that is an option that can be turned off.
Thanks, Richard
Richard "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.
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Re: Reading a long Word document
Tom Behler
Thanks, Ann.
This is very helpful, and cvlarifies things nicely.
Tom Behler
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 5:50 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Reading a long Word document
That sounds like temporary placemarkers, not bookmarks. Bookmarks are a Word function, and placemarkers are JFW.
To set a bookmark, press alt-n, then k. Name the bookmark and press enter. You can have tons of bookmarks in a document, but each one needs a unique name.
To move to a bookmark you have set, press ctrl+g (goto), Shift+tab to the list of options which will have ‘page’ at the top, and arrow down to book marks. Press tab, and Word will list your bookmarks in a combo box that JAWS may or may not read, and you can move to the one you want. If JAWS doesn’t read the list, which it didn’t for me, press the first letter of the bookmark and that seems to wake it up.
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Re: fillable pdf forms?
Tom Behler
Jim:
These are good points.
I also don’t know if a fillable PDF document can be created by Word.
Would be interested in the experiences of others.
That’s how we learn.
Tom Behler
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Weiss via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 5:16 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: fillable pdf forms?
Tom, Word does let you export or save your Word document in PDF format, this is true with many types of programs. I am not sure if you could create a fillable PDF document this way, I am guessing that what Word is producing is more of an image rather than a true PDF. I know from personal experience that I receive a monthly publication that is exported from Word as a PDF and I can read most of it, but the TOC and any tables are butchered by a screen reader. Also, the screen reader often skips paragraphs and I have to go backwards to reread the skipped paragraph. Jim Weiss
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Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit
On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 05:21 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
I've never used Windows BackupAnd you shouldn't start, as the core component for same was deprecated several years back. It's not gone, yet, but once something is deprecated it's living on borrowed time. Microsoft has suggested using the third-party solution of your choosing since that time. Microsoft Announcement of Deprecated Features, including SIB [Backup and Restore (Windows 7)] -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
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Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit
James Bentley
Greetings to Cihan Yazici and list,
I sure wish that I had the skill and ability to create a tutorial or pod cast to assist others with using Image for Windows. However, I do not.
IFW is extremely complicated for me. Everything from installation of the software to its use under many varying circumstances make creating a useful tutorial or podcast beyond my communication and current PC skills. I have tried to share as many tips as possible and Hopefully, there are others who can share additional information so that new users of IFW or other backup options can learn how to do image backups of their computers.
Regards,
James B
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cihan Yazici
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:06 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit
Hello friends;
I have reviewed the program you suggested. I had difficulty using it because its interface and settings are so many. I wonder if our friends using this program can prepare a narration for us? I think it would be nice if they told us the important settings for us at least. love to all of you.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
With Image for Windows Version 3… some of the check boxes in settings are checked by default and some are not. Routing the Jaws cursor to the PC will cause Jaws to anounce the status of check boxes. Note, in some places in the menus, you get a plus sign to let you know that something got added instead of a check box.
With the exceptions below, I recommend that you use the default settings if you are just trying to back up your Primary/C drive.
I always check the accessible check box. I also check the completion alarm so I know when the job is finished. There will be a few other check boxes and settings that are easy to understand and checking them is optional. But, I wouldn’t change any setting unless I was certain that I know exactly what I am doing.
I also check both the verification and the byte per byte verification. IFW will remember these settings if you answer yes to the prompt that ask if you want to save the settings.
IFW is an extremely complicated and powerful software suite and I never make additional changes and it has always worked for me. My backups are verified. And, around 6 times now, I have restored backups.
Once, I restored a backup that was created back when I was using Jaws Version 12 just to see if it would work. It did. It was strange to look at files and emails and an OS. that were over 5 years old.
Stay safe,
James B
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
René:
As you know, the check boxes on the items to which you are referring, , are not spoken by Jaws when you use the SPACE BAR, to either check or uncheck the items. By default, all the check boxes are unchecked. Once you have highlighted an item and tapped the SPACE BAR, to check it, route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor, then, use the Read Current Line command and JAWS will announce whether the item is checked or not.
HTH
Dave
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Re: Jaws speaking useless table information in Email
Alan Robbins
Richard,
I had this problem with JAWS 2020 but not with 2019 or 2018 Does it do it with them too? When in JAWS 2020 try the layered keystroke insert + spacebar, then letter Z. This puts JAWS in default mode. See if it does it then. Mine stopped when I did this so I knew my scrips or settings had become corrupt. I imported my JAWS 2019 settings without merging and problem was solved. BTW the command above is a toggle so do it again and all is back to normal.
Al
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 4:18 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Jaws speaking useless table information in Email
Can anyone tell me how and where to stop Jaws 2020 from saying Table with 3 rows and 4 columns, and on and on, when reading an email? I attempted to find it in settings, but failed completely. I’m hoping that is an option that can be turned off.
Thanks, Richard
Richard "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.
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Re: Reading a long Word document
Mike B
Hi Ann,
Thank you for the correction I'll save this for future
use and reference..
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: Reading a long Word document That sounds like temporary placemarkers, not bookmarks. Bookmarks are a Word function, and placemarkers are JFW.
To set a bookmark, press alt-n, then k. Name the bookmark and press enter. You can have tons of bookmarks in a document, but each one needs a unique name.
To move to a bookmark you have set, press ctrl+g (goto), Shift+tab to the list of options which will have ‘page’ at the top, and arrow down to book marks. Press tab, and Word will list your bookmarks in a combo box that JAWS may or may not read, and you can move to the one you want. If JAWS doesn’t read the list, which it didn’t for me, press the first letter of the bookmark and that seems to wake it up.
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Re: Reading a long Word document
What version of Word are you using? I know that Word 2016 has a feature that will remember where you left off in a Word document the next time you open it. I get the prompt about whether I want to do this all the time.
-- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
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Re: fillable pdf forms?
On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 05:07 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
But, for those of us who have Microsoft Word, can’t we create PDF’s with that?You absolutely can save a document created in recent versions of Word as PDF. But, Word is not particularly graceful about opening PDFs in Word as far as making tidy conversions, though you can do it. I just had a client the other day who could not understand why PDFs that had been created via scanning (but did include OCR) would not open in Word looking exactly like they do on paper or in a PDF reader. Word has to do a conversion from PDF to Word document format, as it presumes you're opening a PDF in Word because you want to edit it. Sometimes that conversion isn't tidy. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
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Re: Reading a long Word document
Ann Byrne
That sounds like temporary placemarkers, not bookmarks. Bookmarks are a Word function, and placemarkers are JFW.
To set a bookmark, press alt-n, then k. Name the bookmark and press enter. You can have tons of bookmarks in a document, but each one needs a unique name.
To move to a bookmark you have set, press ctrl+g (goto), Shift+tab to the list of options which will have ‘page’ at the top, and arrow down to book marks. Press tab, and Word will list your bookmarks in a combo box that JAWS may or may not read, and you can move to the one you want. If JAWS doesn’t read the list, which it didn’t for me, press the first letter of the bookmark and that seems to wake it up.
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Re: Reading a long Word document
Mike B
Hi Tom,
Here's a better explanation from Takis.
It’s a daily routine for me working with long word documents. What I am doing is set a bookmark by hitting cntrl-windows-k, jaws will tell you “marking has been set” or something like that. Once you return to your text, just hit alt-windows-k, and you will be returned back to where you left. Just be mindful that this is a onetime bookmark, i.e., it is unique as to where you set it for the last time. It keeps no track of previous ones.
Hope this helps,
Takis
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Reading a long Word document And, am I correct in that you can only set one bookmark at a time, and that previous bookmarks earlier in the document are not preserved??
Tom Behler
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Mike B
Yes, control, Windows key + K.
----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Behler Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 12:39 PM Subject: Re: Reading a long Word document
Is there a key command for inserting a bookmark?
Tom Behler
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Edward Green
Hi John,
I'd insert a bookmark at the place you want to leave off reading - the option is on the ribbon's insert tab.
When you reopen your document to resume reading, turn on JAWS quick keys with JAWS key+z, and navigate to the next bookmark by pressing the letter b until you land on the one you want.
Cheers,
Ed
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Re: Reading a long Word document
Mike B
Yes, I believe so.
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Reading a long Word document And, am I correct in that you can only set one bookmark at a time, and that previous bookmarks earlier in the document are not preserved??
Tom Behler
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Mike B
Yes, control, Windows key + K.
----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Behler Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 12:39 PM Subject: Re: Reading a long Word document
Is there a key command for inserting a bookmark?
Tom Behler
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Edward Green
Hi John,
I'd insert a bookmark at the place you want to leave off reading - the option is on the ribbon's insert tab.
When you reopen your document to resume reading, turn on JAWS quick keys with JAWS key+z, and navigate to the next bookmark by pressing the letter b until you land on the one you want.
Cheers,
Ed
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Re: Jaws speaking useless table information in Email
Mike B
Hi Richard,
Give the follwoing a try:
I don't run Outlook, so this is only something to try to see
if it'll take care of what you're wanting.
Open the Settings Center while in the application or open the
default all applications Settings Center if you want to do this for all
applications.
Down arrow to, Web / HTML / PDFs closed, right arrow to
open.
Down arrow to, Reading, right arrow to
open.
Down arrow to, Configure Web Verbosity Levels closed,
right arrow to open.
Down arrow to, Medium..., press the spacebar to
open. Note, don't press enter here, only use the spacebar.
Down arrow many times to, Table grid checked, and
uncheck this.
Now, Okay, then apply, and okay.
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 1:17 PM
Subject: Jaws speaking useless table information in
Email Can anyone tell me how and where to stop Jaws 2020 from saying Table with 3 rows and 4 columns, and on and on, when reading an email? I attempted to find it in settings, but failed completely. I’m hoping that is an option that can be turned off.
Thanks, Richard
Richard "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.
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Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit
Glenn / Lenny
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Because it wants to make an image of the empty
space.
I would think Windows backup software would be
smarter than that.
I think backup software other than Windows won't do
that.
7Zip will only make a copy of the files, but you
need to be in Win PE to do that.
Glenn
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From: Marty
Hutchings
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the
latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit Can some one tell me why the drive that you are backing up to has to be
bigger than the drive that you are backing up, even though the amount of data on
the drive to be backed up is far less than the space available on the drive that
you are backing up to? I have a 4 tb drive with less than 300 gb of data
on it that I want to back up to a 1 tb external drive, but Windows won’t let me
saying that the drive doesn't have enough space. I can just back up files,
but no system image.
Love in
Christ
Marty For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. Ephesians 6:12, 13 From: James Bentley
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the
latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit You can definitely boot IFW up off a 16GB thumb drive and then use Narrator to go get your back up image off of your USB external SSD or mechanical drive. You can also store your backup image on to a second drive in your PC if it has a second drive. You can also store images in separate particians on just one drive. However, using an external drive is the only safe place to store your backed up images. If you back up to a drive or partician that is connected to your PC, some malicious viruses can wipe out your back up images at the same time that it wipes out your primary drive.
James B
From: main@jfw.groups.io
<main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard TurnerJames B
That helps greatly. Two last questions: How large does the bootable media need to be? Can I boot up off a thumb drive, and then restore from a SSD flash drive?
Or do I need to make the SSD flash drive bootable?
Richard "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
James Bentley
Richard said in part: James, I have not followed this entire thread, But, are you saying that with Image For Windows you can have Narrator talk you through the restore process without any sighted help?
*Yes it is definitely [possible for a blind person to do a restore by themselves with the right preparation.
The recovery/restore disk that you must make with IFW is bootable and it does have Narrator included so you will have speech.
So, the problem is just that there are probably only 2 ways for a blind person to boot up their PC using any bootable thumb drive or DVD disk.
You can get a sighted person to make a one-time change in your PC’s BIOS which will always cause your PC to first look for something other than your PC’s primary drive. This would always allow you to boot up off of any bootable media with no additional changes.
The second option, which is what I always do is to use F12, I think it is F 12 on my particular laptops to do a one-time change to the boot sequence. This must be done every time that you want to boot up off of an IFW bootable medium. And it doesn’t matter how messed up your drive is, your PC will still boot from the bootable recovery DVD or thumb drive. Which ever way that you boot up, Narrator can be launched with the standard Windows command, Control+Windows+Enter. You can then restore your damaged PC and exit out to a new restart of your PC with your ehntire drive appearing just like it was the day that you created the back up. If the backup is 5 years old, then you will be restoring to that same 5 year old backup.
I hope this helps,
James B From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
James Bentley
With Image for Windows Version 3… some of the check boxes in settings are checked by default and some are not. Routing the Jaws cursor to the PC will cause Jaws to anounce the status of check boxes. Note, in some places in the menus, you get a plus sign to let you know that something got added instead of a check box.
With the exceptions below, I recommend that you use the default settings if you are just trying to back up your Primary/C drive.
I always check the accessible check box. I also check the completion alarm so I know when the job is finished. There will be a few other check boxes and settings that are easy to understand and checking them is optional. But, I wouldn’t change any setting unless I was certain that I know exactly what I am doing.
I also check both the verification and the byte per byte verification. IFW will remember these settings if you answer yes to the prompt that ask if you want to save the settings.
IFW is an extremely complicated and powerful software suite and I never make additional changes and it has always worked for me. My backups are verified. And, around 6 times now, I have restored backups.
Once, I restored a backup that was created back when I was using Jaws Version 12 just to see if it would work. It did. It was strange to look at files and emails and an OS. that were over 5 years old.
Stay safe,
James B
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Dave Durber
René:
As you know, the check boxes on the items to which you are referring, , are not spoken by Jaws when you use the SPACE BAR, to either check or uncheck the items. By default, all the check boxes are unchecked. Once you have highlighted an item and tapped the SPACE BAR, to check it, route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor, then, use the Read Current Line command and JAWS will announce whether the item is checked or not.
HTH
Dave
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Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit
Steve Matzura
My guess is that there's a setting--checkbox, radio button, etc.--that tells Windows Backup to back up to a disk of the same size, or you're choosing the wrong option to create an image, choosing the option to make a mirror copy of your drive instead. Mind you, just a guess. I've never used Windows Backup.
On 5/7/2020 5:13 PM, Marty Hutchings
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Jim Weiss
Tom,
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Word does let you export or save your Word document in PDF format, this is true with many types of programs. I am not sure if you could create a fillable PDF document this way, I am guessing that what Word is producing is more of an image rather than a true PDF. I know from personal experience that I receive a monthly publication that is exported from Word as a PDF and I can read most of it, but the TOC and any tables are butchered by a screen reader. Also, the screen reader often skips paragraphs and I have to go backwards to reread the skipped paragraph. Jim Weiss “How far you go in life depends on your being tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and tolerant of the weak and strong. Because someday in your life you will have been all of these.” | George Washington Carver
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