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moderated Re: Outlook problem with number of messages

Alan Robbins
 

You did not say white version of jaws you are using, but I am using the latest version and for the last two updates from Freedom scientific I have had a number of issues with outlook. I have written on other lists about them so we’re not going to detail here but all I’m saying is it’s probably a jaws related issue and hopefully the April update will fix that

On Apr 6, 2020, at 8:27 AM, John Doering <john.doering@...> wrote:



Hello:

This problem started around 2 weeks ago with one folder, but now seems to be  spreading to  the whole Outlook folder list.

Outlook is now reporting the wrong number of messages in a folder.

For example, when I am in the folder list and read the line:

In Box 3 messages

But when I go to the message  list it says zero items and there are no messages.

If I hit the JAWS key page down, it still says 3 messages.

Any ideas about what could be wrong?

 

Thanks in advance,

 

John Doering
Pricing Analyst

Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063
Mobile:
445 S Curtis Rd West Allis, WI 53214
https://ibvi.org

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moderated Re: Outlook problem with number of messages

John Doering
 

Tried that, but no change.

 

Thanks,

 

 

John Doering
Pricing Analyst

Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063
Mobile:
445 S Curtis Rd West Allis, WI 53214
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 7:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook problem with number of messages

 

I'm not sure why that happens, if it is a timing thing or what, but when it happens, I exit Outlook, and go back in and all is fine.

 

Richard

"Today's poop is tomorrow's fertilizer." -- Anonymous

(Sent from my iPhone SE)

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 



On Apr 6, 2020, at 5:28 AM, John Doering <john.doering@...> wrote:



Hello:

This problem started around 2 weeks ago with one folder, but now seems to be  spreading to  the whole Outlook folder list.

Outlook is now reporting the wrong number of messages in a folder.

For example, when I am in the folder list and read the line:

In Box 3 messages

But when I go to the message  list it says zero items and there are no messages.

If I hit the JAWS key page down, it still says 3 messages.

Any ideas about what could be wrong?

 

Thanks in advance,

 

John Doering
Pricing Analyst

Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063
Mobile:
445 S Curtis Rd West Allis, WI 53214
https://ibvi.org

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moderated Re: Outlook problem with number of messages

John Doering
 

Thanks for letting me know I am not the only one having this problem.

 

Regards,

 

 

John Doering
Pricing Analyst

Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063
Mobile:
445 S Curtis Rd West Allis, WI 53214
https://ibvi.org

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook problem with number of messages

 

John,

 

Since 2020 came out, I have had horrible issues with many, if not most, Microsoft programs. Outlook is a constant issue and even Word and Excel has it’s issues. Outlook, however, is a daily struggle when issues as you have described, simply do not work any longer.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Doering
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 8:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Outlook problem with number of messages

 

Hello:

This problem started around 2 weeks ago with one folder, but now seems to be  spreading to  the whole Outlook folder list.

Outlook is now reporting the wrong number of messages in a folder.

For example, when I am in the folder list and read the line:

In Box 3 messages

But when I go to the message  list it says zero items and there are no messages.

If I hit the JAWS key page down, it still says 3 messages.

Any ideas about what could be wrong?

 

Thanks in advance,

 

John Doering
Pricing Analyst

Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063
Mobile:
445 S Curtis Rd West Allis, WI 53214
https://ibvi.org

Industries for the Blind & Visually Impaired accepts no liability for the content of this email, or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of the information provided, unless that information is subsequently confirmed in writing. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.

moderated Re: Outlook problem with number of messages

Richard Turner
 

I'm not sure why that happens, if it is a timing thing or what, but when it happens, I exit Outlook, and go back in and all is fine.


Richard

"Today's poop is tomorrow's fertilizer." -- Anonymous

(Sent from my iPhone SE)

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com



On Apr 6, 2020, at 5:28 AM, John Doering <john.doering@...> wrote:



Hello:

This problem started around 2 weeks ago with one folder, but now seems to be  spreading to  the whole Outlook folder list.

Outlook is now reporting the wrong number of messages in a folder.

For example, when I am in the folder list and read the line:

In Box 3 messages

But when I go to the message  list it says zero items and there are no messages.

If I hit the JAWS key page down, it still says 3 messages.

Any ideas about what could be wrong?

 

Thanks in advance,

 

John Doering
Pricing Analyst

Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063
Mobile:
445 S Curtis Rd West Allis, WI 53214
https://ibvi.org

Industries for the Blind & Visually Impaired accepts no liability for the content of this email, or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of the information provided, unless that information is subsequently confirmed in writing. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.

moderated Re: Outlook problem with number of messages

Rick Mladek
 

John,

 

Since 2020 came out, I have had horrible issues with many, if not most, Microsoft programs. Outlook is a constant issue and even Word and Excel has it’s issues. Outlook, however, is a daily struggle when issues as you have described, simply do not work any longer.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Doering
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 8:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Outlook problem with number of messages

 

Hello:

This problem started around 2 weeks ago with one folder, but now seems to be  spreading to  the whole Outlook folder list.

Outlook is now reporting the wrong number of messages in a folder.

For example, when I am in the folder list and read the line:

In Box 3 messages

But when I go to the message  list it says zero items and there are no messages.

If I hit the JAWS key page down, it still says 3 messages.

Any ideas about what could be wrong?

 

Thanks in advance,

 

John Doering
Pricing Analyst

Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063
Mobile:
445 S Curtis Rd West Allis, WI 53214
https://ibvi.org

Industries for the Blind & Visually Impaired accepts no liability for the content of this email, or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of the information provided, unless that information is subsequently confirmed in writing. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.

moderated Outlook problem with number of messages

John Doering
 

Hello:

This problem started around 2 weeks ago with one folder, but now seems to be  spreading to  the whole Outlook folder list.

Outlook is now reporting the wrong number of messages in a folder.

For example, when I am in the folder list and read the line:

In Box 3 messages

But when I go to the message  list it says zero items and there are no messages.

If I hit the JAWS key page down, it still says 3 messages.

Any ideas about what could be wrong?

 

Thanks in advance,

 

John Doering
Pricing Analyst

Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063
Mobile:
445 S Curtis Rd West Allis, WI 53214
https://ibvi.org

Industries for the Blind & Visually Impaired accepts no liability for the content of this email, or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of the information provided, unless that information is subsequently confirmed in writing. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.

moderated Re: Protecting a document

Zel Iscel
 

Thanks Richard, much appreciated.

 

image001.jpg

 

Zel Iscel

Disability Specialist

Inclusive World

Mobile: 0413813885

Email: zel@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, 4 April 2020 11:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Protecting a document

 

Yes.

I just tried it with the steps from a Microsoft article and it works.

I will give you the steps as well as provide the link.

IN your document, press Alt+f, I, p, e

Alt+f together, then I for info, p for protect, and e for encrypt.

BTW, this also works in Excel.

 

Here are the steps copied for the web site with the link at the end.

Protect a document with a password

Passwords are case-sensitive and can be a maximum of 15 characters long.

If you lose or forget your password, Word won't be able to recover it for you. Be sure to keep the a copy of the password in a safe place or create a strong password that you’ll remember.

1.  Go to File > Info > Protect Document > Encrypt with Password.

2.  Type a password, then type it again to confirm it.

3.  Save the file to make sure the password takes effect.

From:

https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Protect-a-document-with-a-password-05084cc3-300d-4c1a-8416-38d3e37d6826

 

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2020 3:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Protecting a document

 

Is there a way to set up a document in Word so that the file can’t be opened without the password?

 

image001.jpg

 

Zel Iscel

Disability Specialist

Inclusive World

Mobile: 0413813885

Email: zel@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, 4 April 2020 9:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Protecting a document

 

There is no really good method to do this.  Most can be worked around if the document is still in DOCX format.

It's not perfect, but I find it far more effective to save as PDF and send that out.  There are some who have PDF editors and know how to use them, but far fewer than the number who have MS-Office and know the tricks to get around protection.

If you really insist on sticking with DOCX you can use ALT+L,PE (Layout Ribbon, Restrict Editing), then navigate to the checkbox under Editing Restrictions and check it.  After it's checked, a dropdown box of options becomes accessible, the default is No Changes (Read Only), which is what you want.  Then navigate to the button, "Yes, start enforcing protection," and activate it.  At this point a dialog box comes up allowing you to choose password protection as the way to be able to unset editing restrictions or User Authentication.  Most use Password Protection, which makes you do the usual entering of the password you want in two boxes.  Then hit the OK key and the document can no longer be edited, even by you, unless you go back and turn off editing restrictions.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Tolerance is the positive and cordial effort to understand another's beliefs, practices, and habits without necessarily sharing or accepting them.

        ~ Joshua Liebman

moderated Re: VLC Revisited

Judy Redlich
 

Hey Marty, No.  Nothing at all from it.  I think the quad it’s working though, because I can hear when I speak into the mike.  But I get no audio except that.  no audio works when I tab around to other programs I have open.

So, I have to use my other USB head set to discover what’s going on.

It all started when I uninstalled the UCX phone system from the computer, and the only other thing I did I took off Jaws 17.

But I kept all the shared components and I have Jaws 18 and 19 that work fine.

Thanks so much for your help.   Dave’s advice helped me, too.

 

I can be reached personally if this is too much “back and forth” on this list.

 

Blessings,

Judy

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2020 9:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VLC Revisited

 

Judy,  Is this a laptop computer that you are using?  Do you get any other sounds in your headphones like Windows sounds?

 

Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

 

Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2020 3:48 PM

Subject: Re: VLC Revisited

 

No it was not muted. 

Now I still had another set of ear phones hooked in while trying this, because my speaker doesn’t work in my computer.  But it showed sound forge, and also the quad.  Neither looked unmuted.

I had the quad plugged into another ear phone USB port and no sound  came out in any of my tests.

 

Steps I used:

Opened sound forge.

Went to sndvol and made sure my levels were at 100 percent.

Made sure neither sound forge nor quad were muted.

Went to the sound mixer.

Checked that each was recognized and volumes good.

double checked for muted or unmuted. 

 

What steps am I missing?

 

Judy 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2020 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VLC Revisited

 

Is it unmuted?

 

Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

 

Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2020 3:15 PM

Subject: Re: VLC Revisited

 

I went in to the sounds mixer and it shows the quad there.  The volume was 100 percent.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2020 1:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VLC Revisited

 

 

I am not at all familiar with that Mixer but have you looked at the default Windows  Sound Mixer to see if the application driving your mixer is there?

You would also need the application from which you are expecting an audio output to be running.

You would need to see if the volume levels for it are normal if that is the case.

Just press windows R and type Sndvol and enter.

In fact you can do this just by  pressing windows key and typing sndvol into the search box.

Then tabbing will navigate you to each of the applications running and show an individual volume level for each and a mute /unmute  check box.

 

If the application is not there it sounds like you would need to consult your mixer hardware sound properties.

David Griffith

 

 

?

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Redlich
Sent: 05 April 2020 18:31
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VLC Revisited

 

Okay, Here’s what I need to know, related to this story:

I used to use a UCX client for answering work phone calls from home.  When I uninstalled that to use voices.com, suddenly now no audio comes out of my computer when I try and use my  quad capture mixer and headset.  In fact, when I plug in my headset, hooked to that mixer, no audio works.

You can either respond on the list, or email me privately at jredlichspeaks@...

 

Thank you much.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2020 9:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VLC Revisited

 

Haha, nice. I had a feeling you should check that actually, but maybe I never sent a message here about it. I don’t know what would have changed the  setting either but, I think I have seen things like that happen before.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: April 4, 2020 5:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: VLC Revisited

 

I thought I  would just post to say how I had resolved my VLC difficulty.

Some may recall last week that out of the blue VLC suddenly refused to play any media for me.

Altering   settings in VLC, including adjusting volume made no difference.

I therefore uninstalled and reinstalled VLC – still no difference.

I then had to install WinAmp to provide a replacement for the  last week.

Tonight I suddenly remembered that I had not checked the Windows Sound Mixer.

I typed sndvol after pressing the Windows key.

Sure enough when I came to the VLC slider  in the Windows Mixer I found that VLC had been set to 0%.

I changed this to 100%  and VLC suddenly blared back to life.

 

Quite what had happened in Windows to set VLC in the Sound Mixer to 0% is a complete mystery to me. I am the only person using this PC and I have been nowhere near the Windows Sound Mixer since last year.

Some errant electrons have obviously strayed where they should not stray.

Anyway I have VLC back working again and thought I would post this in case someone else encountered this or a similar issue.

David Griffith.

 

 

 

 

moderated Re: VLC Revisited

Marty Hutchings
 

Judy,  Is this a laptop computer that you are using?  Do you get any other sounds in your headphones like Windows sounds?
 
Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
 

Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2020 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: VLC Revisited
 

No it was not muted. 

Now I still had another set of ear phones hooked in while trying this, because my speaker doesn’t work in my computer.  But it showed sound forge, and also the quad.  Neither looked unmuted.

I had the quad plugged into another ear phone USB port and no sound  came out in any of my tests.

 

Steps I used:

Opened sound forge.

Went to sndvol and made sure my levels were at 100 percent.

Made sure neither sound forge nor quad were muted.

Went to the sound mixer.

Checked that each was recognized and volumes good.

double checked for muted or unmuted. 

 

What steps am I missing?

 

Judy 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2020 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VLC Revisited

 

Is it unmuted?

 

Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

 

From: Judy Redlich

Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2020 3:15 PM

Subject: Re: VLC Revisited

 

I went in to the sounds mixer and it shows the quad there.  The volume was 100 percent.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2020 1:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VLC Revisited

 

 

I am not at all familiar with that Mixer but have you looked at the default Windows  Sound Mixer to see if the application driving your mixer is there?

You would also need the application from which you are expecting an audio output to be running.

You would need to see if the volume levels for it are normal if that is the case.

Just press windows R and type Sndvol and enter.

In fact you can do this just by  pressing windows key and typing sndvol into the search box.

Then tabbing will navigate you to each of the applications running and show an individual volume level for each and a mute /unmute  check box.

 

If the application is not there it sounds like you would need to consult your mixer hardware sound properties.

David Griffith

 

 

?

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Redlich
Sent: 05 April 2020 18:31
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VLC Revisited

 

Okay, Here’s what I need to know, related to this story:

I used to use a UCX client for answering work phone calls from home.  When I uninstalled that to use voices.com, suddenly now no audio comes out of my computer when I try and use my  quad capture mixer and headset.  In fact, when I plug in my headset, hooked to that mixer, no audio works.

You can either respond on the list, or email me privately at jredlichspeaks@...

 

Thank you much.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2020 9:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VLC Revisited

 

Haha, nice. I had a feeling you should check that actually, but maybe I never sent a message here about it. I don’t know what would have changed the  setting either but, I think I have seen things like that happen before.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: April 4, 2020 5:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: VLC Revisited

 

I thought I  would just post to say how I had resolved my VLC difficulty.

Some may recall last week that out of the blue VLC suddenly refused to play any media for me.

Altering   settings in VLC, including adjusting volume made no difference.

I therefore uninstalled and reinstalled VLC – still no difference.

I then had to install WinAmp to provide a replacement for the  last week.

Tonight I suddenly remembered that I had not checked the Windows Sound Mixer.

I typed sndvol after pressing the Windows key.

Sure enough when I came to the VLC slider  in the Windows Mixer I found that VLC had been set to 0%.

I changed this to 100%  and VLC suddenly blared back to life.

 

Quite what had happened in Windows to set VLC in the Sound Mixer to 0% is a complete mystery to me. I am the only person using this PC and I have been nowhere near the Windows Sound Mixer since last year.

Some errant electrons have obviously strayed where they should not stray.

Anyway I have VLC back working again and thought I would post this in case someone else encountered this or a similar issue.

David Griffith.

 

 

 

 

moderated Re: Using Edge with Jaws

Kimber Gardner
 

I’m using the latest version of jaws and windows 10 with all current updates. I did not have the most up-to-date version of edge but I do now and I’m trying to get a custom to it. I’m sure they’ll be a learning curve but it does feel pretty familiar since I’ve been a chrome user for quite a while now.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

The happy ending still beckons, and it is in the hope of grasping it that we go on.—Annie Proulx


On Apr 5, 2020, at 10:33 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

I may have missed this in one of your earlier messages, but which version of Jaws do you have and which version of Windows?
For Jaws press Jaws Key + J and then Jaws Key + Control + V
For Windows press the Windows Key or Windows Key + R for the Run dialogue and type WinVer (short for Windows Version)



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 4:52 AM
To: main <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Using Edge with Jaws

Hi all,

I'm looking for some tips on using the Edge browser with Jaws.
Honestly, I don't even know how to verify that I am running the newer more accessible version of Edge or how to check that.

Also, are there certain settings that should be changed to give a better browsing experience?

Any resources or suggestions will be much appreciated.

Thanks,
Kim

--
Kimberly






moderated Re: Using Edge with Jaws

Shirley Tracy
 

Hi list,

 

I haven’t followed this thread, but I want to know why chrome is better—or if it is better. I generally use Firefox now. I have used Edge now and then, but if it will work well for me using the chrome  version, then I’ll try it.

 

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: Mike B
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 9:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using Edge with Jaws

 

The latest version is actually:  Microsoft Edge Version 80.0.361.109


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2020 6:14 AM

Subject: Re: Using Edge with Jaws

 

Thanks for that keystroke. I definitely do not have the latest version
which is probably much of my problem.

K

On 4/5/20, george b <gbmagoo@...> wrote:
> Open edge
> Hold down the jaws key, control, v
> This will read you the version number
>
> The latest is 6.81...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
> Sent: April 5, 2020 4:52
> To: main <main@jfw.groups.io>
> Subject: Using Edge with Jaws
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking for some tips on using the Edge browser with Jaws.
> Honestly, I don't even know how to verify that I am running the newer more
> accessible version of Edge or how to check that.
>
> Also, are there certain settings that should be changed to give a better
> browsing experience?
>
> Any resources or suggestions will be much appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Kim
>
> --
> Kimberly
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
Kimberly

 

moderated Re: VLC Revisited

Judy Redlich
 

No it was not muted. 

Now I still had another set of ear phones hooked in while trying this, because my speaker doesn’t work in my computer.  But it showed sound forge, and also the quad.  Neither looked unmuted.

I had the quad plugged into another ear phone USB port and no sound  came out in any of my tests.

 

Steps I used:

Opened sound forge.

Went to sndvol and made sure my levels were at 100 percent.

Made sure neither sound forge nor quad were muted.

Went to the sound mixer.

Checked that each was recognized and volumes good.

double checked for muted or unmuted. 

 

What steps am I missing?

 

Judy  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2020 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VLC Revisited

 

Is it unmuted?

 

Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

 

Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2020 3:15 PM

Subject: Re: VLC Revisited

 

I went in to the sounds mixer and it shows the quad there.  The volume was 100 percent.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2020 1:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VLC Revisited

 

 

I am not at all familiar with that Mixer but have you looked at the default Windows  Sound Mixer to see if the application driving your mixer is there?

You would also need the application from which you are expecting an audio output to be running.

You would need to see if the volume levels for it are normal if that is the case.

Just press windows R and type Sndvol and enter.

In fact you can do this just by  pressing windows key and typing sndvol into the search box.

Then tabbing will navigate you to each of the applications running and show an individual volume level for each and a mute /unmute  check box.

 

If the application is not there it sounds like you would need to consult your mixer hardware sound properties.

David Griffith

 

 

?

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Redlich
Sent: 05 April 2020 18:31
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VLC Revisited

 

Okay, Here’s what I need to know, related to this story:

I used to use a UCX client for answering work phone calls from home.  When I uninstalled that to use voices.com, suddenly now no audio comes out of my computer when I try and use my  quad capture mixer and headset.  In fact, when I plug in my headset, hooked to that mixer, no audio works.

You can either respond on the list, or email me privately at jredlichspeaks@...

 

Thank you much.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2020 9:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VLC Revisited

 

Haha, nice. I had a feeling you should check that actually, but maybe I never sent a message here about it. I don’t know what would have changed the  setting either but, I think I have seen things like that happen before.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: April 4, 2020 5:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: VLC Revisited

 

I thought I  would just post to say how I had resolved my VLC difficulty.

Some may recall last week that out of the blue VLC suddenly refused to play any media for me.

Altering   settings in VLC, including adjusting volume made no difference.

I therefore uninstalled and reinstalled VLC – still no difference.

I then had to install WinAmp to provide a replacement for the  last week.

Tonight I suddenly remembered that I had not checked the Windows Sound Mixer.

I typed sndvol after pressing the Windows key.

Sure enough when I came to the VLC slider  in the Windows Mixer I found that VLC had been set to 0%.

I changed this to 100%  and VLC suddenly blared back to life.

 

Quite what had happened in Windows to set VLC in the Sound Mixer to 0% is a complete mystery to me. I am the only person using this PC and I have been nowhere near the Windows Sound Mixer since last year.

Some errant electrons have obviously strayed where they should not stray.

Anyway I have VLC back working again and thought I would post this in case someone else encountered this or a similar issue.

David Griffith.

 

 

 

 

moderated Re: VLC Revisited

Marty Hutchings
 

Is it unmuted?
 
Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
 

Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2020 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: VLC Revisited
 

I went in to the sounds mixer and it shows the quad there.  The volume was 100 percent.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2020 1:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VLC Revisited

 

 

I am not at all familiar with that Mixer but have you looked at the default Windows  Sound Mixer to see if the application driving your mixer is there?

You would also need the application from which you are expecting an audio output to be running.

You would need to see if the volume levels for it are normal if that is the case.

Just press windows R and type Sndvol and enter.

In fact you can do this just by  pressing windows key and typing sndvol into the search box.

Then tabbing will navigate you to each of the applications running and show an individual volume level for each and a mute /unmute  check box.

 

If the application is not there it sounds like you would need to consult your mixer hardware sound properties.

David Griffith

 

 

?

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Redlich
Sent: 05 April 2020 18:31
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VLC Revisited

 

Okay, Here’s what I need to know, related to this story:

I used to use a UCX client for answering work phone calls from home.  When I uninstalled that to use voices.com, suddenly now no audio comes out of my computer when I try and use my  quad capture mixer and headset.  In fact, when I plug in my headset, hooked to that mixer, no audio works.

You can either respond on the list, or email me privately at jredlichspeaks@...

 

Thank you much.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2020 9:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VLC Revisited

 

Haha, nice. I had a feeling you should check that actually, but maybe I never sent a message here about it. I don’t know what would have changed the  setting either but, I think I have seen things like that happen before.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: April 4, 2020 5:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: VLC Revisited

 

I thought I  would just post to say how I had resolved my VLC difficulty.

Some may recall last week that out of the blue VLC suddenly refused to play any media for me.

Altering   settings in VLC, including adjusting volume made no difference.

I therefore uninstalled and reinstalled VLC – still no difference.

I then had to install WinAmp to provide a replacement for the  last week.

Tonight I suddenly remembered that I had not checked the Windows Sound Mixer.

I typed sndvol after pressing the Windows key.

Sure enough when I came to the VLC slider  in the Windows Mixer I found that VLC had been set to 0%.

I changed this to 100%  and VLC suddenly blared back to life.

 

Quite what had happened in Windows to set VLC in the Sound Mixer to 0% is a complete mystery to me. I am the only person using this PC and I have been nowhere near the Windows Sound Mixer since last year.

Some errant electrons have obviously strayed where they should not stray.

Anyway I have VLC back working again and thought I would post this in case someone else encountered this or a similar issue.

David Griffith.

 

 

 

 

moderated Re: VLC Revisited

Judy Redlich
 

I went in to the sounds mixer and it shows the quad there.  The volume was 100 percent.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2020 1:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VLC Revisited

 

 

I am not at all familiar with that Mixer but have you looked at the default Windows  Sound Mixer to see if the application driving your mixer is there?

You would also need the application from which you are expecting an audio output to be running.

You would need to see if the volume levels for it are normal if that is the case.

Just press windows R and type Sndvol and enter.

In fact you can do this just by  pressing windows key and typing sndvol into the search box.

Then tabbing will navigate you to each of the applications running and show an individual volume level for each and a mute /unmute  check box.

 

If the application is not there it sounds like you would need to consult your mixer hardware sound properties.

David Griffith

 

 

?

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Redlich
Sent: 05 April 2020 18:31
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VLC Revisited

 

Okay, Here’s what I need to know, related to this story:

I used to use a UCX client for answering work phone calls from home.  When I uninstalled that to use voices.com, suddenly now no audio comes out of my computer when I try and use my  quad capture mixer and headset.  In fact, when I plug in my headset, hooked to that mixer, no audio works.

You can either respond on the list, or email me privately at jredlichspeaks@...

 

Thank you much.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2020 9:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VLC Revisited

 

Haha, nice. I had a feeling you should check that actually, but maybe I never sent a message here about it. I don’t know what would have changed the  setting either but, I think I have seen things like that happen before.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: April 4, 2020 5:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: VLC Revisited

 

I thought I  would just post to say how I had resolved my VLC difficulty.

Some may recall last week that out of the blue VLC suddenly refused to play any media for me.

Altering   settings in VLC, including adjusting volume made no difference.

I therefore uninstalled and reinstalled VLC – still no difference.

I then had to install WinAmp to provide a replacement for the  last week.

Tonight I suddenly remembered that I had not checked the Windows Sound Mixer.

I typed sndvol after pressing the Windows key.

Sure enough when I came to the VLC slider  in the Windows Mixer I found that VLC had been set to 0%.

I changed this to 100%  and VLC suddenly blared back to life.

 

Quite what had happened in Windows to set VLC in the Sound Mixer to 0% is a complete mystery to me. I am the only person using this PC and I have been nowhere near the Windows Sound Mixer since last year.

Some errant electrons have obviously strayed where they should not stray.

Anyway I have VLC back working again and thought I would post this in case someone else encountered this or a similar issue.

David Griffith.

 

 

 

 

moderated Re: VLC Revisited

Judy Redlich
 

Hey Dave,

When I plugged in the quad, both channels were recognize when I ran sound forge.  I kept both ear phones plugged in so I could do the audio adjusting you recommended.  Still got no audio.  But at least it recognized the quad was there.    

How do you get to the default sound mixer, or what else can you recommend?

Judy

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2020 1:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VLC Revisited

 

 

I am not at all familiar with that Mixer but have you looked at the default Windows  Sound Mixer to see if the application driving your mixer is there?

You would also need the application from which you are expecting an audio output to be running.

You would need to see if the volume levels for it are normal if that is the case.

Just press windows R and type Sndvol and enter.

In fact you can do this just by  pressing windows key and typing sndvol into the search box.

Then tabbing will navigate you to each of the applications running and show an individual volume level for each and a mute /unmute  check box.

 

If the application is not there it sounds like you would need to consult your mixer hardware sound properties.

David Griffith

 

 

?

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Redlich
Sent: 05 April 2020 18:31
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VLC Revisited

 

Okay, Here’s what I need to know, related to this story:

I used to use a UCX client for answering work phone calls from home.  When I uninstalled that to use voices.com, suddenly now no audio comes out of my computer when I try and use my  quad capture mixer and headset.  In fact, when I plug in my headset, hooked to that mixer, no audio works.

You can either respond on the list, or email me privately at jredlichspeaks@...

 

Thank you much.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2020 9:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VLC Revisited

 

Haha, nice. I had a feeling you should check that actually, but maybe I never sent a message here about it. I don’t know what would have changed the  setting either but, I think I have seen things like that happen before.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: April 4, 2020 5:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: VLC Revisited

 

I thought I  would just post to say how I had resolved my VLC difficulty.

Some may recall last week that out of the blue VLC suddenly refused to play any media for me.

Altering   settings in VLC, including adjusting volume made no difference.

I therefore uninstalled and reinstalled VLC – still no difference.

I then had to install WinAmp to provide a replacement for the  last week.

Tonight I suddenly remembered that I had not checked the Windows Sound Mixer.

I typed sndvol after pressing the Windows key.

Sure enough when I came to the VLC slider  in the Windows Mixer I found that VLC had been set to 0%.

I changed this to 100%  and VLC suddenly blared back to life.

 

Quite what had happened in Windows to set VLC in the Sound Mixer to 0% is a complete mystery to me. I am the only person using this PC and I have been nowhere near the Windows Sound Mixer since last year.

Some errant electrons have obviously strayed where they should not stray.

Anyway I have VLC back working again and thought I would post this in case someone else encountered this or a similar issue.

David Griffith.

 

 

 

 

moderated Re: VLC Revisited

David Griffith
 

 

I am not at all familiar with that Mixer but have you looked at the default Windows  Sound Mixer to see if the application driving your mixer is there?

You would also need the application from which you are expecting an audio output to be running.

You would need to see if the volume levels for it are normal if that is the case.

Just press windows R and type Sndvol and enter.

In fact you can do this just by  pressing windows key and typing sndvol into the search box.

Then tabbing will navigate you to each of the applications running and show an individual volume level for each and a mute /unmute  check box.

 

If the application is not there it sounds like you would need to consult your mixer hardware sound properties.

David Griffith

 

 

?

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Redlich
Sent: 05 April 2020 18:31
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VLC Revisited

 

Okay, Here’s what I need to know, related to this story:

I used to use a UCX client for answering work phone calls from home.  When I uninstalled that to use voices.com, suddenly now no audio comes out of my computer when I try and use my  quad capture mixer and headset.  In fact, when I plug in my headset, hooked to that mixer, no audio works.

You can either respond on the list, or email me privately at jredlichspeaks@...

 

Thank you much.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2020 9:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VLC Revisited

 

Haha, nice. I had a feeling you should check that actually, but maybe I never sent a message here about it. I don’t know what would have changed the  setting either but, I think I have seen things like that happen before.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: April 4, 2020 5:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: VLC Revisited

 

I thought I  would just post to say how I had resolved my VLC difficulty.

Some may recall last week that out of the blue VLC suddenly refused to play any media for me.

Altering   settings in VLC, including adjusting volume made no difference.

I therefore uninstalled and reinstalled VLC – still no difference.

I then had to install WinAmp to provide a replacement for the  last week.

Tonight I suddenly remembered that I had not checked the Windows Sound Mixer.

I typed sndvol after pressing the Windows key.

Sure enough when I came to the VLC slider  in the Windows Mixer I found that VLC had been set to 0%.

I changed this to 100%  and VLC suddenly blared back to life.

 

Quite what had happened in Windows to set VLC in the Sound Mixer to 0% is a complete mystery to me. I am the only person using this PC and I have been nowhere near the Windows Sound Mixer since last year.

Some errant electrons have obviously strayed where they should not stray.

Anyway I have VLC back working again and thought I would post this in case someone else encountered this or a similar issue.

David Griffith.

 

 

 

 

moderated Re: VLC Revisited

Judy Redlich
 

I tried same thing:

Pressing the windows key then typing sndvol .

Everything was at 100 percent.  That’s while I have my other headset on.  If I put on my head set that goes with my quad capture, I get no audio. 

If I’m using the same computer, shouldn’t the quad capture or Sennheiser headset  show up anyway because it’s on this computer?

Thanks.

Judy

 

: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Redlich via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2020 12:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VLC Revisited

 

Okay, Here’s what I need to know, related to this story:

I used to use a UCX client for answering work phone calls from home.  When I uninstalled that to use voices.com, suddenly now no audio comes out of my computer when I try and use my  quad capture mixer and headset.  In fact, when I plug in my headset, hooked to that mixer, no audio works.

You can either respond on the list, or email me privately at jredlichspeaks@...

 

Thank you much.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2020 9:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VLC Revisited

 

Haha, nice. I had a feeling you should check that actually, but maybe I never sent a message here about it. I don’t know what would have changed the  setting either but, I think I have seen things like that happen before.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: April 4, 2020 5:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: VLC Revisited

 

I thought I  would just post to say how I had resolved my VLC difficulty.

Some may recall last week that out of the blue VLC suddenly refused to play any media for me.

Altering   settings in VLC, including adjusting volume made no difference.

I therefore uninstalled and reinstalled VLC – still no difference.

I then had to install WinAmp to provide a replacement for the  last week.

Tonight I suddenly remembered that I had not checked the Windows Sound Mixer.

I typed sndvol after pressing the Windows key.

Sure enough when I came to the VLC slider  in the Windows Mixer I found that VLC had been set to 0%.

I changed this to 100%  and VLC suddenly blared back to life.

 

Quite what had happened in Windows to set VLC in the Sound Mixer to 0% is a complete mystery to me. I am the only person using this PC and I have been nowhere near the Windows Sound Mixer since last year.

Some errant electrons have obviously strayed where they should not stray.

Anyway I have VLC back working again and thought I would post this in case someone else encountered this or a similar issue.

David Griffith.

 

 

 

 

moderated Re: Need help for using Jaws 2020 Windows 10 uploading files to my YouTube channel

Lino Morales
 

Sharon. I think IMHO you’d be able to make your life easier if you recorded your Zoom Meetings in the cloud assuming you have the pro account and upload them onto a website. If you only use the basic account you can’t do this. Good luck.

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

                                                                                                               

 

From: Sharon Ballantyne
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 8:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Need help for using Jaws 2020 Windows 10 uploading files to my YouTube channel

 

Hi All,

I am a totally blind user, using JAWS 2020 latest version, Windows 10 on PC laptop. In this world turned upside down I am needing to take zoom recordings and upload them to my YouTube channel.

 

The upload button is accessed via an icon image of a movie camera for the sighted. My screenreader is skipping over this and I keep needing to get my sighted partner to hit thisbutton so I can upload my files.

 

Is there a keyboard shortcut command to get me there or some way I can bring this in to focus?

 

If there are any people comfortable creating YouTube videos with JAWS, I would love any tips. It is very tedious and I think there must be a more efficient way.

 

Also would love to know how to create a consistent inclusion of a little music lead at the beginning and end! Any and all tips welcome.

Thank-you.

 

SharonB

 

moderated Re: VLC Revisited

Judy Redlich
 

Okay, Here’s what I need to know, related to this story:

I used to use a UCX client for answering work phone calls from home.  When I uninstalled that to use voices.com, suddenly now no audio comes out of my computer when I try and use my  quad capture mixer and headset.  In fact, when I plug in my headset, hooked to that mixer, no audio works.

You can either respond on the list, or email me privately at jredlichspeaks@...

 

Thank you much.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2020 9:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: VLC Revisited

 

Haha, nice. I had a feeling you should check that actually, but maybe I never sent a message here about it. I don’t know what would have changed the  setting either but, I think I have seen things like that happen before.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: April 4, 2020 5:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: VLC Revisited

 

I thought I  would just post to say how I had resolved my VLC difficulty.

Some may recall last week that out of the blue VLC suddenly refused to play any media for me.

Altering   settings in VLC, including adjusting volume made no difference.

I therefore uninstalled and reinstalled VLC – still no difference.

I then had to install WinAmp to provide a replacement for the  last week.

Tonight I suddenly remembered that I had not checked the Windows Sound Mixer.

I typed sndvol after pressing the Windows key.

Sure enough when I came to the VLC slider  in the Windows Mixer I found that VLC had been set to 0%.

I changed this to 100%  and VLC suddenly blared back to life.

 

Quite what had happened in Windows to set VLC in the Sound Mixer to 0% is a complete mystery to me. I am the only person using this PC and I have been nowhere near the Windows Sound Mixer since last year.

Some errant electrons have obviously strayed where they should not stray.

Anyway I have VLC back working again and thought I would post this in case someone else encountered this or a similar issue.

David Griffith.

 

 

 

 

moderated Re: Question about David Moore's Edge tutorial

Andrew J. LaPointe
 

Hello, what advantage do you have by using Edge vs. chrome or firefox? Andy and Shubert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 1:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about David Moore's Edge tutorial

 

Thanks Bill,

I wasn’t sure how much things changed as I didn’t start using Edge until this new one came out.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 9:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about David Moore's Edge tutorial

 

No, since the new chrome based Edge was not out when the tutorial was created, and no one would know the layout and keystrokes that would be applicable to the new chrome based Edge.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 9:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Question about David Moore's Edge tutorial

 

If David reads this, or anyone who knows more than I, which should be a lot of people…

The one tutorial I found by David Moore on Edge is from 2017.

Is that applicable to the new Chrome based Edge?

 

Thanks,

Richard

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.