Hi.

Not sure, the post  button is right there for me, though it’s labelled “comment button”. Perhaps facebook is temporarily broken for you. They have a number of servers and they’re not all always fully functional at the same time. If you tab once from the field you type into m.facebook.com though to leave a comment, you should normally find that button immediately using firefox.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 11:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and NVDA

What has been pointed out by the two prior correspondents, that this question is too vast to be tidily answered, and that the answers are entirely based on what one is trying to accomplish and under what specific circumstances, are both absolutely true.

I tutor JAWS but have never owned it (other than to have a copy in 40-minute mode) because of its expense.  I used (and still use) NVDA often when I'm even trying to figure out something for one of my JAWS clients, as the overlap is extensive and once you know where the differences lie "translation" between the command set for the two is not all that difficult.

With the introduction of Narrator, and the amount of work Microsoft has been putting into it (and is continuing to do so) there is definitely a "new kid on the block" for Windows 10 (and I think Windows 8.1) users as well.

Invariably there are situations where one screen reader "plays better" with a given application, website, etc., than another does.  You may only be able to be fully proficient with one, but it's not that difficult to get basically proficient with others, and it's distinctly to your advantage to do so.
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Good evening,

I’m wondering if someone could tell me about the differences between JAWS and NVDA. I know NVDA is free and JAWS is not. I’m wondering why people choose JAWS, and what NVDA is good for. Commonalities, differences, preferences, etc.

Thanks so much,
Anna E

left quotes and right quotes ar smart quotes. for example, left quote,
I said that, right quote. the quotes are rarely referred to as curly

the left quote is actually like or close to a smaller left parenthesis
with a water droplet on the top half of the symbol pointing down, and
the right quote is a smaller version of the right parenthesis with a
water droplet at the bottom half of the symbol pointing up. in both
symbols, the water droplet is a part of the left or right small
parenthesis.
the concept is, the left quote marks the opening to what someone said,
and the right quote is the closing of what someone said.

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To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, June 26, 2019, 12:30 PM
Subject: Excel Formula

So Mario, which one has smart quotes?

Jaws speaks them the same to me.

Richard


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To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel Formula

the smart quotes instead of strait quotes makes the difference.
crazy, isn't it? but true, watch out for these idiosyncrasies.

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To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, June 26, 2019, 12:02 PM
Subject: Excel Formula

I'm not sure why Russell's instructions didn't work for me, but I did
the following and it worked.
In b101: =COUNTIF(B2:B100,"Yes")
IN b102, =COUNTA(B2:B100)
In b103, =B101/B102

To test this, I put a Yes in b2 and No in b100.
I got 1 as the result of yes's, 2 in the result for number of cells
with data in b102, and .50 in b103 which then switching the number
type to percent, got 50.00. I did not bother changing the decimal
places from the default.

HTH,
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 7:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel Formula

Hi Steve,

Let's say you have Yes or no in cells B2 to B100. In cell B101, or
wherever you wish, type the formula, CountIf(B2:B100,"Yes").
This will give you the number of cells with "Yes" in them.
Then, in B102, or whoever you wish, type the formula,
=CountA(B2:B100)
Note the letter "A" after "Count" in the above formula.
This will give you the total number of cells in column B that have data.
Now, to calculate the percentage of cells with "Yes" in them, in cell
B103, or wherever, type the formula,
=B101/B102
You are dividing the number of "Yes" by the total number of cells with

You will get a number like 0.67 or something like that. Press CTRL + 1
while in that cell and change the number formatting to Percentage,
choose the number of decimal places you wish to show, and tab to OK.

Hope this helps.

Russell


On Jun 25, 2019, at 5:17 PM, Steve & Shannon Cook
<cookcafe@sc.rr.com<mailto:cookcafe@sc.rr.com>> wrote:

Hi All,

Using Excel 2016, Windows 10 and the current version of JAWS. I have
an Excel sheet in column A I have the task a person must perform. In
Column B I will answer yes or no if they can perform the task. Here
is my issue, I want to create a formula at the bottom of column B to
determine if they answered yes to 80% of the questions. I would
greatly appreciate your assistance!

Steve

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From: JM Casey

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 2:29 PM

Subject: Re: command line to enforce jaws restart

The OP explained in the very first post why this wasn’t what he was after.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: June 28, 2019 2:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: command line to enforce jaws restart

 

                Good afternoon listers; insert plus f4 unloads jaws, alt plus control plus jay restarts him.  I do not understand anything about command lines and such, but just use the two key strokes I mentioned above and you will be good to go.

Marv

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 11:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: command line to enforce jaws restart

 

Why use such a complicate method to do something one can do with the single keystroke, Jaws Key + F4.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Munawar Bijani
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 5:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: command line to enforce jaws restart

 

Hi,

You can kill JAWS by executing the taskkill command:

taskkill /IM "jfw.exe" /f

 

The problem with this approach is that you will also need to kill all of JAWS' child processes. When I have some time I'll go through task manager and see all of the different processes that JAWS has. You would use taskkill to kill them off one by one before restarting JAWS.

 

You also need to be running an elevated command prompt to execute taskkill.

 

If done successfully, here is what the output looks like:

Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.18362.175]
(c) 2019 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\WINDOWS\system32>taskkill /IM "jfw.exe" /f
SUCCESS: The process "jfw.exe" with PID 8856 has been terminated.

C:\WINDOWS\system32>

On 6/28/2019 8:31 AM, Dean Martineau wrote:

I googled JAWS command Line Options and didn’t get anything that seemed helpful.  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tanguy LOHEAC
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 8:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: command line to enforce jaws restart

 

Hi Dean,

My objective is to make Jaws restart seemlessly so that users are not forced to deal with keystrokes. Some of my cleints get nervous and lose self-trust when its time to shutdown jaws and restart it manually.

Since this process is used when installing Jaws (automatically restart when install is complete), i thought there was a command line that could do the job.

Tanguy

Le 28/06/2019 à 14:05, Dean Martineau a écrit :

                Why not use the Keyboard Manager and assign a new hotkey to the ShutDownJAWS script?  We go through this sort of thing in the forthcoming windows Keyboard Power User Guide book. You could add a keystroke like, perhaps, shift+ctrl+z, or some other keystroke that you can remember, that doesn’t use a JAWSKey, and that isn’t used by other programs you’re using, so that you can use it to do what we do with JAWSKey+F4.

 

Dean

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tanguy LOHEAC
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 7:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: command line to enforce jaws restart

 

Hi Peter

thank you. However my initial was about Jaws restart, not Windows.

Nevertheless this would be helpful in other circumstances.

thank you

Le 28/06/2019 à 13:36, Peter Tesar a écrit :

Hello,

 

I have this DOS command in my desktop shortcut.

 

   C:\Windows\System32\shutdown.exe -s -f -t 00

 

the 's is for shutdown, -r is for reboot

the -f is for force (It doesn't work as well as it did in Win7

The -t is the time to wait -- 0 mili seconds

 

The command shutdown.exe might work without the path.

You could move the shutdown.exe file to your root directory.

 

Peter T.

 

 

On 6/28/2019 4:53 AM, Tanguy LOHEAC wrote:

Hello all

Do you know any command line that can force jaws to restart?

This is because i'm using a program on my laptop that disables the Jaws key. And th only way to restore it is to restart Jaws. But i wish i could write a batch file that would make it automatically after this program has been run.

thank you for any suggestions

 

Have a nice day

Tanguy

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Hi, Tanguy. Insert plus F4 only quits JAWS. Winkey plus INSERT plus F4 quits JAWS and restarts it, as well as reporting any errors to Vispero.

 

Bill White

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tanguy LOHEAC
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 9:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] Re: command line to enforce jaws restart

 

i I didn't know this command. How different is it from Insert+F4?

Le 28/06/2019 à 16:03, Cook, Steve a écrit :

Have you tried the JAWS dump command?  Insert Windows key and F4

 

Steve Cook, CPM

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SC Commission for the Blind

1430 Confederate avenue

Columbia, SC 29201

Office: (803) 898-8788

1-888-335-5951                        

www.sccb.state.sc.us

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tanguy LOHEAC via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 8:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [External] Re: command line to enforce jaws restart

 

Hi Dean,

My objective is to make Jaws restart seemlessly so that users are not forced to deal with keystrokes. Some of my cleints get nervous and lose self-trust when its time to shutdown jaws and restart it manually.

Since this process is used when installing Jaws (automatically restart when install is complete), i thought there was a command line that could do the job.

Tanguy

Le 28/06/2019 à 14:05, Dean Martineau a écrit :

                Why not use the Keyboard Manager and assign a new hotkey to the ShutDownJAWS script?  We go through this sort of thing in the forthcoming windows Keyboard Power User Guide book. You could add a keystroke like, perhaps, shift+ctrl+z, or some other keystroke that you can remember, that doesn’t use a JAWSKey, and that isn’t used by other programs you’re using, so that you can use it to do what we do with JAWSKey+F4.

 

Dean

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tanguy LOHEAC
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 7:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: command line to enforce jaws restart

 

Hi Peter

thank you. However my initial was about Jaws restart, not Windows.

Nevertheless this would be helpful in other circumstances.

thank you

Le 28/06/2019 à 13:36, Peter Tesar a écrit :

Hello,

 

I have this DOS command in my desktop shortcut.

 

   C:\Windows\System32\shutdown.exe -s -f -t 00

 

the 's is for shutdown, -r is for reboot

the -f is for force (It doesn't work as well as it did in Win7

The -t is the time to wait -- 0 mili seconds

 

The command shutdown.exe might work without the path.

You could move the shutdown.exe file to your root directory.

 

Peter T.

 

 

On 6/28/2019 4:53 AM, Tanguy LOHEAC wrote:

Hello all

Do you know any command line that can force jaws to restart?

This is because i'm using a program on my laptop that disables the Jaws key. And th only way to restore it is to restart Jaws. But i wish i could write a batch file that would make it automatically after this program has been run.

thank you for any suggestions

 

Have a nice day

Tanguy

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i use jaws 16 with 2019. i never had luck with 17 or 18. 16 is a very solid backup for me, specially with older programs. for example, avast does not work with 2019. i have to use jaws 16.

On 7/1/2019 4:12 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:

I have some programs for my work that will not work with anything later than jaws 17... They are criticle to my work and I cant go without them. For the same reason my work PC is still running win 7 with jaws 17 for some programs and jaws 2019 for general use.

Dreading the day they stop working with Jaws and windows... NVDA may be  in my future... No guaranty of this working in the future either.

On 6/28/2019 4:35 PM, Tim Ford wrote:

My primary browser is Chrome, and IE is the backup.  Also, I keep JAWS 17 on my computer in addition to 2019.  There are some web sites that work with 17 but not 2019; go figure. 

 

Tim Ford

 

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I have some programs for my work that will not work with anything later than jaws 17... They are criticle to my work and I cant go without them. For the same reason my work PC is still running win 7 with jaws 17 for some programs and jaws 2019 for general use.

Dreading the day they stop working with Jaws and windows... NVDA may be  in my future... No guaranty of this working in the future either.

On 6/28/2019 4:35 PM, Tim Ford wrote:

My primary browser is Chrome, and IE is the backup.  Also, I keep JAWS 17 on my computer in addition to 2019.  There are some web sites that work with 17 but not 2019; go figure. 

 

Tim Ford

 

My primary browser is Chrome, and IE is the backup.  Also, I keep JAWS 17 on my computer in addition to 2019.  There are some web sites that work with 17 but not 2019; go figure. 

 

Tim Ford

 

in my case the picture smart fails every time i tried to use it. not
very smart.
i gave up trying to figure out how to get it to work.

-----Original Message----- From: Shankar C
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2019 10:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How can I get information about a graphic on a webpage?

as for as my concern, if its just a image/graphic, you may use the
picture smart to read the information provided in the graphics.
but, if the graphic contains the link, you may expand and perform the
picture smart.


On 7/1/19, Richard B. McDonald <richardbmcdonald@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi!



I am using JAWS 2019, Windows 7 and Firefox. Suppose I have the
virtual cursor on a graphic on a webpage. Is there some JAWS
keystroke I can press that will tell me some basic information about
the graphic, such as its dimensions?



Thanks,

Richard