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Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Steve Nutt
Sounds like you may need an update to your video driver.
All the best
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: 19 February 2019 08:01 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Sieghard,
Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19 Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...> On Behalf Of Dave...
James,
Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Steve Nutt
Hi,
There are some programs that unchecking the accessibility driver will break. Notably NoteTab Pro, which is a text/HTML editor that I use.
Just be aware.
All the best
Steve
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: 19 February 2019 05:33 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Worth looking at when I have a chance to sit down with it. I want to say we were running 2018 on this machine in demo mode, so perhaps if I feel daring I’ll see what 2019 can do.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
I am not sure if the mirror display driver is the same thing, but I just checked here with Jaws 2019 and it is called the ”Freedom Scientific Accessibility Display Driver”.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Nope. We had either 18 or 2018 on this machine and they were still there. Uninstalling it now because it’s making life complicated.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
James,
Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...
Hi Mike,
Just as a small addition to your steps: The AppData folder is a hidden folder so unless you choose to display hidden folders it won’t show up. Easiest way I think it to open the run dialogue and type AppData all in one word, it will take you straight there whether you have it hidden or not.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 10:15 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...
Hi Dave,
Another way to do it using a different Jaws version if this ever happens again or something similar is the following. Note: I'm using Jaws 16 to access the Jaws2019 settings. 1. Press, Windows key + R, to open the Run dialogue, type a single period, as in a period at the end of a sentence, and press enter. This is a shortcut keystroke to your User / Name folder. 2. Press enter on, AppData, press enter on, Roaming, and press enter on, Freedom Scientific. 3. Press enter on, JAWS, navigate to the Jaws version you need to work with, press enter, arrow to / highlight, Settings, press enter, arrow to / highlight, ENU, and press enter. Now in the Jaws2019 ENU folder you can remove or do whatever you have to do to the necessary files. Take Care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave... Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 9:29 AM Subject: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...
Update. Finally got JAWS 2019 working. Had to remove and install fresh, and also had to delete/rename the last two user settings that had changed: settings.ini and default.jcf. In retrospect, I suspect that if I had simply used NVDA to go to my user settings in JAWS 2019 and just deleted those two files, JAWS 2019 would have repaired itself just fine. But man, that was pretty daunting and a time-waste.
If you have Windows 7, absolutely *do not* uncheck that Accessibility Driver in the default settings.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: Dave... Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 08:25 Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Mike,
Nope. You're absolutely correct.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Mote Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 07:58 Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Hi Mike. If I am not mistaken, I believe the Mirror Display driver is used on Windows 7 computers, and is replaced by the Accessibility driver starting with the Windows 8 operating system. Anyone using Windows 7 should continue using the Mirror display driver. That was my understanding of the process, but I could be wrong.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Mike B.
Here's the explanation of the Accessibility Driver from the default Settings Center: The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM)
and is used primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases. Take Care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave... Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:00 AM Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Sieghard,
Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19 Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...>
On Behalf Of Dave...
James,
Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Hi Dave,
I would restart the computer and see if that fixes it, I certainly have not ever have Jaws crash and refuse to load and I check and uncheck the accessibility driver often several times a day for testing purposes (I’m in the Jaws private beta group) and also because in some of the applications I use Jaws works better using the new GDI Hooking (accessibility display driverunchecked) and in other applications it’s better if I use the accessibility display driver.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Dave...
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:01 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Sieghard,
Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19 Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...> On Behalf Of
Dave...
James,
Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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Re: ICloud for Windows and JAWS
If it is properly set up an iCloud Drive folder will be created on your computer, I believe it is in your user folder, and just as with Dropbox and OneDrive files that are saved in it will appear in it.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Barbara
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 4:48 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: ICloud for Windows and JAWS
Hello Everyone
I have some files on my IPhone which I wish to transfer to my Windows 7 computer. The files are currently located in the Files folder on my IPhone. It was suggested I use ICloud for Windows. I have never used it before. I had it on my computer from some unknown cause in the past. Anyhow, I opened the program and it requested my Apple ID and password. I provided that. Then nothing clear is happening. I pressed insert-W and it gave me a list of basic windows hot keys. I tabbed some and got something which said check box but did not let me know what it was for. I can tab to various things. One was storage. I went into that and could not figure it out as I tabbed around.
Note I am using JAWS 2019.
Any tips on how to use this program? I also have a second computer which is Windows 10, so if the tips are different for each OS, let me know both.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Barbara
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Re: Getting Sound in Windows Safe Mode with Networking.
I had no problems as soon as I pressed enter on the link Chrome opened and 2 seconds later jaws announced that the download was complete. It' son Google Drive after all, I doubt a few people downloading that file will bring it down.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66 Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 5:41 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Getting Sound in Windows Safe Mode with Networking. we brought your site down. grin. it is not loading and i waited 10 minutes to see if anything would happen. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Vogel Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 3:07 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Getting Sound in Windows Safe Mode with Networking. I am creating a new topic since updating the batch script used to achieve this end. The new one will work under Windows 7, 8, 8.1, and 10. It also does not require that the folder be unzipped only to your Desktop, but that's still what I'm suggesting. Everything is disposable after you've run the batch script. The ZIP file is on my Google Drive, and can be downloaded by activating: SoundInSafeMode.zip The first two steps in the installation instructions are: You MUST be logged in using a Windows 7, 8.1, or 10 account with admin privileges in order for this to work. 1. Download the file at https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=12M9B8JK5EXQYBFbmPHc2lTgdsaI1uTEv to your Desktop. 2. Unzip the SoundInSafeMode.ZIP file on your Desktop. Simply select the ZIP file, bring up the context menu, and choose Extract All. You should end up with a folder named SoundInSafeMode on your Desktop. The remaining instructions are in the file InstallationInstructions.txt which will be one of 4 files that get unzipped into the SoundInSafeMode folder on your Desktop. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong. ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore
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Re: History is gone
Well, at some point it does not really make much sense to have such old stuff on the website, I doubt anybody is still running Jaws 9.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Michael Munn
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 8:33 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: History is gone
Hi all, This is Micha"Michael. I'm sending this email out just want to notify the new user whoare history lover like me. The Old Release notes of Jaws for Windows from the 2,000's have been deleted from Freedom Scientific's website. I say that is because I Checked today. I performed a Google search about the Old releease of Jaws9. After I have finish input my Search topic in Google and Pressed Enter on it Jaws told me "Page not Found" I'm sending this email out just want to notify the new users of Jaws those people like to read more about older Jaws releases will not be able to do it until Freedom Scientific put the data back. Best Regards Michael Munn
Michael Munn Member: Virginia Association of Blind students National Federation of the Blind of Virginia www.nfbv.org Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Maryland www.nfbmd.org Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind
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History is gone
Michael Munn
Hi all, This is Micha"Michael. I'm sending this email out just want to notify the new user whoare history lover like me. The Old Release notes of Jaws for Windows from the 2,000's have been deleted from Freedom Scientific's website. I say that is because I Checked today. I performed a Google search about the Old releease of Jaws9. After I have finish input my Search topic in Google and Pressed Enter on it Jaws told me "Page not Found" I'm sending this email out just want to notify the new users of Jaws those people like to read more about older Jaws releases will not be able to do it until Freedom Scientific put the data back. Best Regards Michael Munn Michael Munn Member: Virginia Association of Blind students National Federation of the Blind of Virginia www.nfbv.org Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Maryland www.nfbmd.org Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind
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Re: Getting Sound in Windows Safe Mode with Networking.
netbat66
we brought your site down. grin.
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it is not loading and i waited 10 minutes to see if anything would happen.
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From: Brian Vogel Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 3:07 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Getting Sound in Windows Safe Mode with Networking. I am creating a new topic since updating the batch script used to achieve this end. The new one will work under Windows 7, 8, 8.1, and 10. It also does not require that the folder be unzipped only to your Desktop, but that's still what I'm suggesting. Everything is disposable after you've run the batch script. The ZIP file is on my Google Drive, and can be downloaded by activating: SoundInSafeMode.zip The first two steps in the installation instructions are: You MUST be logged in using a Windows 7, 8.1, or 10 account with admin privileges in order for this to work. 1. Download the file at https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=12M9B8JK5EXQYBFbmPHc2lTgdsaI1uTEv to your Desktop. 2. Unzip the SoundInSafeMode.ZIP file on your Desktop. Simply select the ZIP file, bring up the context menu, and choose Extract All. You should end up with a folder named SoundInSafeMode on your Desktop. The remaining instructions are in the file InstallationInstructions.txt which will be one of 4 files that get unzipped into the SoundInSafeMode folder on your Desktop. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong. ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore
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ICloud for Windows and JAWS
Barbara <batterseye@...>
Hello Everyone
I have some files on my IPhone which I wish to transfer to my Windows 7 computer. The files are currently located in the Files folder on my IPhone. It was suggested I use ICloud for Windows. I have never used it before. I had it on my computer from some unknown cause in the past. Anyhow, I opened the program and it requested my Apple ID and password. I provided that. Then nothing clear is happening. I pressed insert-W and it gave me a list of basic windows hot keys. I tabbed some and got something which said check box but did not let me know what it was for. I can tab to various things. One was storage. I went into that and could not figure it out as I tabbed around.
Note I am using JAWS 2019.
Any tips on how to use this program? I also have a second computer which is Windows 10, so if the tips are different for each OS, let me know both.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Barbara
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Re: Getting Sound in Windows Safe Mode with Networking.
Mario,
No, and I'm not inclined to create one, either. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong. ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore
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Re: Getting Sound in Windows Safe Mode with Networking.
Mario
Brian, is there one for sound in safe mode without networking?
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From: Brian Vogel [mailto:@britechguy] Sent: Tue, Feb 19, 2019 6:07 PM EST To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Getting Sound in Windows Safe Mode with Networking. I am creating a new topic since updating the batch script used to achieve this end. The new one will work under Windows 7, 8, 8.1, and 10. It also does not require that the folder be unzipped only to your Desktop, but that's still what I'm suggesting. Everything is disposable after you've run the batch script. The ZIP file is on my Google Drive, and can be downloaded by activating: SoundInSafeMode.zip <https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=12M9B8JK5EXQYBFbmPHc2lTgdsaI1uTEv> The first two steps in the installation instructions are: You MUST be logged in using a Windows 7, 8.1, or 10 account with admin privileges in order for this to work. 1. Download the file at https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=12M9B8JK5EXQYBFbmPHc2lTgdsaI1uTEv to your Desktop. 2. Unzip the SoundInSafeMode.ZIP file on your Desktop. Simply select the ZIP file, bring up the context menu, and choose Extract All. You should end up with a folder named SoundInSafeMode on your Desktop. The remaining instructions are in the file InstallationInstructions.txt which will be one of 4 files that get unzipped into the SoundInSafeMode folder on your Desktop. -- Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 */ Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong./* ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA /The Sage of Baltimore/
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Getting Sound in Windows Safe Mode with Networking.
I am creating a new topic since updating the batch script used to achieve this end. The new one will work under Windows 7, 8, 8.1, and 10. It also does not require that the folder be unzipped only to your Desktop, but that's still what I'm suggesting. Everything is disposable after you've run the batch script.
The ZIP file is on my Google Drive, and can be downloaded by activating: SoundInSafeMode.zip The first two steps in the installation instructions are: You MUST be logged in using a Windows 7, 8.1, or 10 account with admin privileges in order for this to work.
1. Download the file at https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=12M9B8JK5EXQYBFbmPHc2lTgdsaI1uTEv
to your Desktop.
2. Unzip the SoundInSafeMode.ZIP file on your Desktop. Simply select the ZIP file, bring up the context menu,
and choose Extract All. You should end up with a folder named SoundInSafeMode on your Desktop.
-- The remaining instructions are in the file InstallationInstructions.txt which will be one of 4 files that get unzipped into the SoundInSafeMode folder on your Desktop. Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong. ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore
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Re: how do I get Chrome to save pass words and email addresses?
Chrome Menu, Settings, Autofill Section, Passwords Item, Offer to Save Passwords toggle must be ON. Also, if you wish for Chrome to automatically sign you in, make sure the Auto Sign-In toggle is set to ON.
-- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong. ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore
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how do I get Chrome to save pass words and email addresses?
Jim Rawls
As it stands now, every time, I log into Bard, I have to keep putting in my email address and pass word. I am running jaws 2019, and windows ten.
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Re: Warning - Uncheck "Accessibility Driver at your own risk
Dave...
Netbat,
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I have the 32 bit system. That might have been it, but I don’t care to give it another try. Dave
On Feb 19, 2019, at 12:53 PM, netbat66 <netbat66@...> wrote:
mine did not crash with windows 7 home 64bit. you could backup the jaws 2019 folder before you uncheck that box. then if it does crash you can load another screen reader and copy the original 2019 folder files back and you would be back the way you were before it crashed. -----Original Message----- From: Dave... Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 7:38 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Warning - Uncheck "Accessibility Driver at your own risk Mike, Okay, so I have Windows 7. Therefore I should not have unchecked the "Use accessibility driver" in the default setting. Because I cannot even do a JAWS 2019 repair now. It crashes. I'm back to JAWS 2018 until I unscramble this mess. Dave Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike B. To: main@jfw.groups.io Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 06:00 Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers? Here's the explanation of the Accessibility Driver from the default Settings Center: The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases. Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver. This check box is selected by default. Take Care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave... To: main@jfw.groups.io Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:00 AM Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers? Sieghard, Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions? Dave Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer ----- Original Message ----- From: Sieghard Weitzel To: main@jfw.groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19 Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers? Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word �accessibility� driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called �GDI Hooking�. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better. From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...> On Behalf Of Dave... Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers? James, Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15. Dave Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer ----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers? I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we�re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn�t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we�re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don�t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn�t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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Re: Warning - Uncheck "Accessibility Driver at your own risk
netbat66
mine did not crash with windows 7 home 64bit.
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you could backup the jaws 2019 folder before you uncheck that box. then if it does crash you can load another screen reader and copy the original 2019 folder files back and you would be back the way you were before it crashed.
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From: Dave... Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 7:38 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Warning - Uncheck "Accessibility Driver at your own risk Mike, Okay, so I have Windows 7. Therefore I should not have unchecked the "Use accessibility driver" in the default setting. Because I cannot even do a JAWS 2019 repair now. It crashes. I'm back to JAWS 2018 until I unscramble this mess. Dave Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike B. To: main@jfw.groups.io Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 06:00 Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers? Here's the explanation of the Accessibility Driver from the default Settings Center: The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases. Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver. This check box is selected by default. Take Care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave... To: main@jfw.groups.io Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:00 AM Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers? Sieghard, Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions? Dave Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer ----- Original Message ----- From: Sieghard Weitzel To: main@jfw.groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19 Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers? Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word �accessibility� driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called �GDI Hooking�. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better. From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...> On Behalf Of Dave... Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers? James, Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15. Dave Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer ----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers? I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we�re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn�t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we�re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don�t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn�t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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Re: assistance
Gerald Levy
Captcha Be Gone is dead, and according to reports on other discussion forums, it may also be a scam because people who have signed up on their site have discovered that it no longer works, and that there is no way to contact its developer to obtain a refund of the $36 annual fee because he has abandoned it and apparently absconded with the money. So caveat emptor:
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https://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?id=24467 Gerald Gerald
On 2/19/2019 2:57 PM, Kane Brolin wrote:
My understanding is that JAWS has no built-in algorithm for solving
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Re: assistance
Don Mauck
You really need to report this as an accessibility violation to the owner of that site.
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From: Mario <mrb620@...> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 1:16 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: assistance most blind users who own an iPhone use the free BeMyEyes app. and some even use the AIRA service if they already use it for other reasons. -------- Original Message -------- From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@...] Sent: Tue, Feb 19, 2019 3:10 PM EST To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: assistance Well, Bob, you can either pay to solve captchas or you can have them remain unsolved, or use a sighted person every time you want a captcha solved. Bill White billwhite92701@... -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of bob jutzi Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:08 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: assistance You're kidding! That thing charges $3 a month simply to access captias? Now that's one of the stupidest ideas I've recently encountered. Paying to solve Captias. On 2/19/2019 2:57 PM, Kane Brolin wrote: My understanding is that JAWS has no built-in algorithm for solving visual CAPTCHAs. I would recommend using CAPTCHA Be Gone, a tool that should work with Internet Explorer or Firefox. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__captchabegone.com_user_register&d=DwIGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=EQ0xAgqxGediPFS2iJyMwtaJACO0PE04qO0-xFG1duE&m=t_SDuXr-nw_wyuT4lvfCfx3CvyG9kyKCuyT43pOWl_g&s=iogfJl7GRsGkdSOME8CTrtD7AZB2ZP9vMPuiLvfBYwc&e= You will have to create an account with that service and sign in. Kind regards, Kane Brolin .
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Re: assistance
Mario
most blind users who own an iPhone use the free BeMyEyes app. and some
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even use the AIRA service if they already use it for other reasons.
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From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@...] Sent: Tue, Feb 19, 2019 3:10 PM EST To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: assistance Well, Bob, you can either pay to solve captchas or you can have them remain unsolved, or use a sighted person every time you want a captcha solved. Bill White billwhite92701@... -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of bob jutzi Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:08 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: assistance You're kidding! That thing charges $3 a month simply to access captias? Now that's one of the stupidest ideas I've recently encountered. Paying to solve Captias. On 2/19/2019 2:57 PM, Kane Brolin wrote: My understanding is that JAWS has no built-in algorithm for solving visual CAPTCHAs. I would recommend using CAPTCHA Be Gone, a tool that should work with Internet Explorer or Firefox. https://captchabegone.com/user/register You will have to create an account with that service and sign in. Kind regards, Kane Brolin .
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