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Re: Classic Control Panel View - Windows 10

 

On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 10:27 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:
Once in the control panel, shift tab does not bring you to a category button but small icons choice...
SHIFT+TAB takes you to the View By dropdown, which will be in one of three states:  Category, Small Icons, Large Icons.

If it's either one of the "Icons" views it's already in "the classic" look and feel, the only difference being how much screen real estate the individual control panel item icons take up.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Classic Control Panel View - Windows 10

Mario
 

in that case, the control panel should already be in classic view using
small icons.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Rick Mladek [mailto:hmladek@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Saturday, April 27, 2019, 10:27 AM
Subject: Classic Control Panel View - Windows 10

I followed your directions and yes, the first worked as indicated. Once
in the control panel, shift tab does not bring you to a category button
but small icons choice...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2019 10:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Classic Control Panel View - Windows 10

Elise, welcome back...

press the windows key, and start typing panel. once you hear control
panel, press enter to open it.
then shift+tab, and you should hear category button. if so, press
spacebar to open it.
down arrow to small and press enter.
vwa la. the classic view.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Elise Berkley [mailto:bravaegf711@...]
To: jfw@groups.io
Date: Saturday, April 27, 2019, 9:52 AM
Subject: Classic Control Panel View - Windows 10

Hello, all.
I have not been on the list in a while, but I am definitely starting
again. I cannot, for the life of me, cannot figure out how to change my
control panel to classic view. I hate the view I am in now. I appreciate
the help.
Elise Berkley, Merced, Ca.



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Re: Classic Control Panel View - Windows 10

Rick Mladek
 

I followed your directions and yes, the first worked as indicated. Once in the control panel, shift tab does not bring you to a category button but small icons choice...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2019 10:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Classic Control Panel View - Windows 10

Elise, welcome back...

press the windows key, and start typing panel. once you hear control panel, press enter to open it.
then shift+tab, and you should hear category button. if so, press spacebar to open it.
down arrow to small and press enter.
vwa la. the classic view.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Elise Berkley [mailto:bravaegf711@...]
To: jfw@groups.io
Date: Saturday, April 27, 2019, 9:52 AM
Subject: Classic Control Panel View - Windows 10

Hello, all.
I have not been on the list in a while, but I am definitely starting again. I cannot, for the life of me, cannot figure out how to change my control panel to classic view. I hate the view I am in now. I appreciate the help.
Elise Berkley, Merced, Ca.



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Re: Classic Control Panel View - Windows 10

 

I am presuming you're probably in the Category view of Control Panel, which has been the default for some time now, and wish to change back to either small icons or large icons.   I always use small icons because I like to see all of the control panel items at one time, but with a screen reader it's probably irrelevant since you can search in either the large icons or small icons view to get to a specific item in control panel.

Upon opening Control Panel, a single SHIFT+TAB takes me to the dropdown where you can choose your view:  Category, Small Icons, or Large Icons.  I'd suggest trying that, and giving the small or large icons view a try to see which you prefer.   I personally despise the Category view and always have.  It gets switched the first time I have to use Control Panel on any machine I touch.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Classic Control Panel View - Windows 10

Mario
 

Elise, welcome back...

press the windows key, and start typing panel. once you hear control
panel, press enter to open it.
then shift+tab, and you should hear category button. if so, press
spacebar to open it.
down arrow to small and press enter.
vwa la. the classic view.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Elise Berkley [mailto:bravaegf711@...]
To: jfw@groups.io
Date: Saturday, April 27, 2019, 9:52 AM
Subject: Classic Control Panel View - Windows 10

Hello, all.
I have not been on the list in a while, but I am definitely starting
again. I cannot, for the life of me, cannot figure out how to change
my control panel to classic view. I hate the view I am in now. I
appreciate the help.
Elise Berkley, Merced, Ca.



.


Classic Control Panel View - Windows 10

Elise Berkley
 

Hello, all.
I have not been on the list in a while, but I am definitely starting
again. I cannot, for the life of me, cannot figure out how to change
my control panel to classic view. I hate the view I am in now. I
appreciate the help.
Elise Berkley, Merced, Ca.


Re: wireless keyboard Re: $100 for a new computer?

Curtis Delzer
 

Hi, I am thinking of buying one of these for my wife since her t750 with it's built-in batteries is getting iffy. where are the 6 keys for macros as such placed? does it have a rather long "throw" etc. Many thanks

Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 4/25/2019 10:44 AM, Robert Logue wrote:
I have the Logitech g613 wireless gaming keyboard.  I like it.


The bad:

Reviewers say the mechanical keys are not as good as the best available.

The software to create macro keys is not intuitive but the latest version is at least accessible.


It is heavy.


I like; the very fast action.


I can control 2 different computers. One using the proprietary USB dong.e and the other through Bluetooth.

Both work real well without the problems I had with other wireless keyboards.  It works without dropouts and repeats even in the worst positions in my home for wireless reception.


It is also easier on my hands.  I have some RSI and find this works the best of any keyboard I've owned.  I can type longer and with fewer mistakes with less discomfort.

I had a ergonomic keyboard but it was not comfortable for me.


Another plus for me is that it uses standard batteries. I use rechargeable Eneloop batteries that hold their charge for a very long time and without developing memory problems. Much better than having to buy a new device when the internal lithium batteries stop working in just a few years.


The real reason I have the g613 is because I wanted a wireless keyboard with every key, especially the context or access key; which is missing from most keyboards now.

It was the only model in the store that had this key so I took it even though it doesn't get the highest praise for it's keys.  I'm so glad I did because the action feels very good to me.


This turned out to be a review.  It was prompted inspired by the original thread but makes no comment on that thread.


Bob






Re: Please update subject line, now way off of initial topic of "Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys"

Tim Ford
 

Thanks David,

Yes, the delete key is designed for that. My concern is that I could be missing out on a subject I would find helpful. So folks, if you want your emails to be the most effective, please help out those of us who get nearly a hundred emails a day on average!

Sincerely,
Tim Ford

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 10:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please update subject line, now way off of initial topic of "Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys"

hit the delete key every time I saw that subject.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Onwardbob
Sent: April 25, 2019 4:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please update subject line, now way off of initial topic of "Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys"

Thank you, I was in danger of wearing out my delete key

BOB SOUTAR…ONWARD THRU THE FOG

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 4:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Please update subject line, now way off of initial topic of "Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys"

Hello All,



This subject line has long ceased to have any relevancy. Can the next person picking up the string please give this a new topic/subject line?



Thanks!

Tim Ford





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 4:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys



Sorry if this came across as negative. I didn't mean it that way. privacy is just something that I really don't think people understand right now. Knowledge is power and we are giving it all to profit driven corperations. I don't see that doing us any good.

On 4/25/2019 3:44 PM, Randy wrote:

Well, so being just as bad as the other guy makes it acceptable...
On 4/25/2019 3:41 PM, Dan Longmore wrote:

Cortana can be disabled. Also, Microsoft is no more invasive than Google which tracks so much through your browser.



Dan





From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 10:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys



Hello George:



As much as I need to upgrade to Windows 10, my biggest concern is, that as a person who values his privacy, I do not like the fact that Microsoft are making it more and more difficult to turn off/disable, so many of the spying and tracking features which are attached to Windows 10. The one feature, which most of all I would like to turn off/disable, is the sodding, annoying, interfering feature, Cortana.



If anyone knows how to make it, so that any and all searches I wish to perform on my Windows 10 machine, are restricted to my local machine, then I would be glad to hear from you. I can always use a search engine, such as Google or DuckDuckGo for internet searches.



Sincerely:



Dave Durber



----- Original Message -----

From: G. Gray <mailto:geogray@...>

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 4:32 PM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys



I will weigh in on this, not trying to argue, but I had a windows XP computer I bought in 2004. I used it until December 20, 2018 when it gave up the ghost 14 1/2 years with absolutely NO problems! I used Viper and Firefox to access the web. I used it for 14 years through Vista (which was terrible, windows 8, windows 8.1 and then Windows 7 with absolutely no problems even with no security updates. I like Windows 7 and hope to use it a long time as well. Windows 10 seems to have a lot of issues which of yet are not resolved....just my 2 cents.



George



From: Brian Vogel <mailto:@britechguy>

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 10:21 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys



On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 10:42 AM, John Covici wrote:

Problem is, after support ends you get no security updates, so you will be vulnerable to being hacked.

Indeed, and I was not trying to imply you wouldn't, nor that continuing to use Windows 7 is a good idea.

I have, however, witnessed an awful lot of clinging to dead OSes, and some people are going to do it regardless of how bad an idea it is to do so. But those programs that currently run under Win7 in their current versions will keep doing so for a very, very long time.

It still only makes sense, if one is sticking with a given OS ecosystem, to keep up-to-date with the latest version of that OS as a daily driver.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
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Re: Please update subject line, now way off of initial topic of "Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys"

David & his pack of dogs
 

hit the delete key every time I saw that subject.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Onwardbob
Sent: April 25, 2019 4:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Please update subject line, now way off of initial topic of "Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys"

Thank you, I was in danger of wearing out my delete key

BOB SOUTAR…ONWARD THRU THE FOG

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 4:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Please update subject line, now way off of initial topic of "Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys"

Hello All,



This subject line has long ceased to have any relevancy. Can the next person picking up the string please give this a new topic/subject line?



Thanks!

Tim Ford





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 4:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys



Sorry if this came across as negative. I didn't mean it that way. privacy is just something that I really don't think people understand right now. Knowledge is power and we are giving it all to profit driven corperations. I don't see that doing us any good.

On 4/25/2019 3:44 PM, Randy wrote:

Well, so being just as bad as the other guy makes it acceptable...
On 4/25/2019 3:41 PM, Dan Longmore wrote:

Cortana can be disabled. Also, Microsoft is no more invasive than Google which tracks so much through your browser.



Dan





From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 10:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys



Hello George:



As much as I need to upgrade to Windows 10, my biggest concern is, that as a person who values his privacy, I do not like the fact that Microsoft are making it more and more difficult to turn off/disable, so many of the spying and tracking features which are attached to Windows 10. The one feature, which most of all I would like to turn off/disable, is the sodding, annoying, interfering feature, Cortana.



If anyone knows how to make it, so that any and all searches I wish to perform on my Windows 10 machine, are restricted to my local machine, then I would be glad to hear from you. I can always use a search engine, such as Google or DuckDuckGo for internet searches.



Sincerely:



Dave Durber



----- Original Message -----

From: G. Gray <mailto:geogray@...>

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 4:32 PM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys



I will weigh in on this, not trying to argue, but I had a windows XP computer I bought in 2004. I used it until December 20, 2018 when it gave up the ghost 14 1/2 years with absolutely NO problems! I used Viper and Firefox to access the web. I used it for 14 years through Vista (which was terrible, windows 8, windows 8.1 and then Windows 7 with absolutely no problems even with no security updates. I like Windows 7 and hope to use it a long time as well. Windows 10 seems to have a lot of issues which of yet are not resolved....just my 2 cents.



George



From: Brian Vogel <mailto:@britechguy>

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 10:21 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys



On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 10:42 AM, John Covici wrote:

Problem is, after support ends you get no security updates, so you will be vulnerable to being hacked.

Indeed, and I was not trying to imply you wouldn't, nor that continuing to use Windows 7 is a good idea.

I have, however, witnessed an awful lot of clinging to dead OSes, and some people are going to do it regardless of how bad an idea it is to do so. But those programs that currently run under Win7 in their current versions will keep doing so for a very, very long time.

It still only makes sense, if one is sticking with a given OS ecosystem, to keep up-to-date with the latest version of that OS as a daily driver.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another. Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

~ Bertrand Russell



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Re: MS Office Programs Crashing Nearly Every Time I Close them

 

This happened quite a bit primarily with Excel when I was still using Windows 7. Not sure if there is a solution for Window s7, might be a good question to ask Microsoft Accessibility since it usually did not happen to my sighted employees which leads me to believe it has something to do with Jaws running. See what happens if you unload Jaws before you close an application where this often happens. In any case, this is one of the crashes I frequently experienced which I don’t think I ever had under Windows 10.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 10:57 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: MS Office Programs Crashing Nearly Every Time I Close them

 

Hi!

 

I am using JAWS 2019, MS Office 2016 and Windows 7, all latest updates and all 64 bit.  Nearly every time I close any of these programs (e.g., Excel, Outlook, etc.) the program crashes.  And, this happens whether I close the program by alt+F4 or via an alt+spacebar+close action.  Does anyone else have this experience too?  Is there a solution?

 

Thanks,

Richard


Re: extra line breaks

Rick Mladek
 

Hi,

 

Not sure if this is it but go into options and basics. Turn off the menu and control help and try the access key to off, as well. I keep both of these to off and do not get those types announcements.

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jane Withers
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: extra line breaks

 

With most of my messages in ooutlook, I hear message saying extra line breaks in this message have been removed. Most annoying. How can I remove this reading.


extra line breaks

Jane Withers <pitre4@...>
 

With most of my messages in ooutlook, I hear message saying extra line breaks in this message have been removed. Most annoying. How can I remove this reading.


test

Jane Withers <pitre4@...>
 

test


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Angel
 


Using ones mouth to accomplish things is by no means a new thing.  When I was a child over 60 years ago, now, people with various physical challenges preventing them from using their hands or their fingers would hold sticks, and paint brushes in their mouths to type, write with pencils, and paint and draw. 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

A mouth stick? Are you serious? I never knew you could use a computer with your mouth. I mean, I've known about voice recognition, if that's what you're thinking of.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 3:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Sticky keys allow my friend who is a quadrapolegic to use her computer with a mouth stick.  She can not hold down multiple keys while pressing another key.
 
Marty
 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys
 
I'm not sure why they have "Sticky Keys" either.
 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 7:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle:
 
In the UK, the RIGHT ALT key, is a combinedALT+CTRL key. Being used to having an ALT on either side of the space bar, I always have a problem using a UK keyboard, because I have to keep remembering to move my right thumb to the left ALT key, in order to perform commands related to the left hand, for example, ALT+F and ALT+W, etc.
 
I would like to meet the idiots, who came up with that idea.
 
The question I have to ask, if two keys are to be combined on one key, then, what is the point of having a feature in Windows called "Sticky Keys".
 
Sincerely:
 
Dave Durber
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys
 
It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked to Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR, which I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?
 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
UNI044A
Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys under discussion.  This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's not a criticism).  Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard.   That is, unless they have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in which case you'd have to make certain that's been installed.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Please update subject line, now way off of initial topic of "Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys"

Onwardbob
 

Thank you, I was in danger of wearing out my delete key

BOB SOUTAR…ONWARD THRU THE FOG

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 4:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Please update subject line, now way off of initial topic of "Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys"

Hello All,



This subject line has long ceased to have any relevancy. Can the next person picking up the string please give this a new topic/subject line?



Thanks!

Tim Ford





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 4:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys



Sorry if this came across as negative. I didn't mean it that way. privacy is just something that I really don't think people understand right now. Knowledge is power and we are giving it all to profit driven corperations. I don't see that doing us any good.

On 4/25/2019 3:44 PM, Randy wrote:

Well, so being just as bad as the other guy makes it acceptable...
On 4/25/2019 3:41 PM, Dan Longmore wrote:

Cortana can be disabled. Also, Microsoft is no more invasive than Google which tracks so much through your browser.



Dan





From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 10:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys



Hello George:



As much as I need to upgrade to Windows 10, my biggest concern is, that as a person who values his privacy, I do not like the fact that Microsoft are making it more and more difficult to turn off/disable, so many of the spying and tracking features which are attached to Windows 10. The one feature, which most of all I would like to turn off/disable, is the sodding, annoying, interfering feature, Cortana.



If anyone knows how to make it, so that any and all searches I wish to perform on my Windows 10 machine, are restricted to my local machine, then I would be glad to hear from you. I can always use a search engine, such as Google or DuckDuckGo for internet searches.



Sincerely:



Dave Durber



----- Original Message -----

From: G. Gray <mailto:geogray@...>

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 4:32 PM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys



I will weigh in on this, not trying to argue, but I had a windows XP computer I bought in 2004. I used it until December 20, 2018 when it gave up the ghost 14 1/2 years with absolutely NO problems! I used Viper and Firefox to access the web. I used it for 14 years through Vista (which was terrible, windows 8, windows 8.1 and then Windows 7 with absolutely no problems even with no security updates. I like Windows 7 and hope to use it a long time as well. Windows 10 seems to have a lot of issues which of yet are not resolved....just my 2 cents.



George



From: Brian Vogel <mailto:@britechguy>

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 10:21 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys



On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 10:42 AM, John Covici wrote:

Problem is, after support ends you get no security updates, so you will be vulnerable to being hacked.

Indeed, and I was not trying to imply you wouldn't, nor that continuing to use Windows 7 is a good idea.

I have, however, witnessed an awful lot of clinging to dead OSes, and some people are going to do it regardless of how bad an idea it is to do so. But those programs that currently run under Win7 in their current versions will keep doing so for a very, very long time.

It still only makes sense, if one is sticking with a given OS ecosystem, to keep up-to-date with the latest version of that OS as a daily driver.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another. Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

~ Bertrand Russell



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Re: Please update subject line, now way off of initial topic of "Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys"

Randy Barnett
 

I have tried to do that several times in the past and it never sticks... threads here do tend to drift from time to time. Problem is everyone on every computer has to do it...

On 4/25/2019 4:09 PM, Tim Ford wrote:

Hello All,

 

This subject line has long ceased to have any relevancy.  Can the next person picking up the string please give this a new topic/subject line?

 

Thanks!

Tim Ford

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 4:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Sorry if this came across as negative. I didn't mean it that way. privacy is just something that I really don't think people understand right now. Knowledge is power and we are giving it all to profit driven corperations. I don't see that doing us any good.

On 4/25/2019 3:44 PM, Randy wrote:

Well, so being just as bad as the other guy makes it acceptable...
On 4/25/2019 3:41 PM, Dan Longmore wrote:

Cortana can be disabled.  Also, Microsoft is no more  invasive than Google which tracks so much through your browser.

 

Dan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 10:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Hello George:

 

As much as I need to upgrade to Windows 10, my biggest concern is, that as a person who values his privacy, I do not like the fact that Microsoft are making it more and more difficult to turn off/disable, so many of the spying and tracking features which are attached to Windows 10. The one feature, which most of all  I would like to turn off/disable, is the sodding, annoying, interfering feature, Cortana.

 

If anyone knows how to make it, so that any and all searches I wish to perform on my Windows 10 machine, are restricted to my local machine, then I would be glad to hear from you. I can always use a search engine, such as Google or DuckDuckGo for internet searches.

 

Sincerely:

 

Dave Durber

 

----- Original Message -----

From: G. Gray

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 4:32 PM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

I will weigh in on this, not trying to argue, but I had a windows XP computer I bought in 2004.  I used it until December 20, 2018 when it gave up the ghost   14 1/2 years with absolutely NO problems!    I used Viper and Firefox to access the web.  I used it for 14 years through Vista (which was terrible, windows 8, windows 8.1 and then Windows 7 with absolutely no problems even with no security updates.  I like Windows 7 and hope to use it a long time as well.  Windows 10 seems to have a lot of issues which of yet are not resolved....just my 2 cents.

 

George

 

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 10:21 AM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 10:42 AM, John Covici wrote:

Problem is, after support ends you get no security updates, so you will be vulnerable to being hacked.

Indeed, and I was not trying to imply you wouldn't, nor that continuing to use Windows 7 is a good idea.

I have, however, witnessed an awful lot of clinging to dead OSes, and some people are going to do it regardless of how bad an idea it is to do so.  But those programs that currently run under Win7 in their current versions will keep doing so for a very, very long time.

It still only makes sense, if one is sticking with a given OS ecosystem, to keep up-to-date with the latest version of that OS as a daily driver.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com

 

 



Please update subject line, now way off of initial topic of "Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys"

Tim Ford
 

Hello All,

 

This subject line has long ceased to have any relevancy.  Can the next person picking up the string please give this a new topic/subject line?

 

Thanks!

Tim Ford

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 4:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Sorry if this came across as negative. I didn't mean it that way. privacy is just something that I really don't think people understand right now. Knowledge is power and we are giving it all to profit driven corperations. I don't see that doing us any good.

On 4/25/2019 3:44 PM, Randy wrote:

Well, so being just as bad as the other guy makes it acceptable...
On 4/25/2019 3:41 PM, Dan Longmore wrote:

Cortana can be disabled.  Also, Microsoft is no more  invasive than Google which tracks so much through your browser.

 

Dan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 10:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Hello George:

 

As much as I need to upgrade to Windows 10, my biggest concern is, that as a person who values his privacy, I do not like the fact that Microsoft are making it more and more difficult to turn off/disable, so many of the spying and tracking features which are attached to Windows 10. The one feature, which most of all  I would like to turn off/disable, is the sodding, annoying, interfering feature, Cortana.

 

If anyone knows how to make it, so that any and all searches I wish to perform on my Windows 10 machine, are restricted to my local machine, then I would be glad to hear from you. I can always use a search engine, such as Google or DuckDuckGo for internet searches.

 

Sincerely:

 

Dave Durber

 

----- Original Message -----

From: G. Gray

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 4:32 PM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

I will weigh in on this, not trying to argue, but I had a windows XP computer I bought in 2004.  I used it until December 20, 2018 when it gave up the ghost   14 1/2 years with absolutely NO problems!    I used Viper and Firefox to access the web.  I used it for 14 years through Vista (which was terrible, windows 8, windows 8.1 and then Windows 7 with absolutely no problems even with no security updates.  I like Windows 7 and hope to use it a long time as well.  Windows 10 seems to have a lot of issues which of yet are not resolved....just my 2 cents.

 

George

 

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 10:21 AM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 10:42 AM, John Covici wrote:

Problem is, after support ends you get no security updates, so you will be vulnerable to being hacked.

Indeed, and I was not trying to imply you wouldn't, nor that continuing to use Windows 7 is a good idea.

I have, however, witnessed an awful lot of clinging to dead OSes, and some people are going to do it regardless of how bad an idea it is to do so.  But those programs that currently run under Win7 in their current versions will keep doing so for a very, very long time.

It still only makes sense, if one is sticking with a given OS ecosystem, to keep up-to-date with the latest version of that OS as a daily driver.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com

 

 


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Randy Barnett
 

Very true. But there is alot of data you cant stop. and the laws need to be changed to deal with the modern age.

On 4/25/2019 4:02 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
The fact is that both Microsoft and Google give users the option to opt out of a very great deal of what they collect.  The default is "you're all in," but a quick web search turns up where to go either in one's Microsoft Account, or Google Account, to turn off almost all of it.

In the case of Google, if you're logged in to your Google Account:  https://myaccount.google.com/data-and-personalization

In the case of Microsoft:  https://account.microsoft.com/?ref=MeControl as well as cruising through your Privacy settings on your computer, too.

Companies are going to set defaults to their advantage, and always have.  Individuals should know this by now, and if it concerns them, take the steps to change those settings as close to possible as the way they'd like things as they can.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell



Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Randy Barnett
 

Sorry if this came across as negative. I didn't mean it that way. privacy is just something that I really don't think people understand right now. Knowledge is power and we are giving it all to profit driven corperations. I don't see that doing us any good.

On 4/25/2019 3:44 PM, Randy wrote:
Well, so being just as bad as the other guy makes it acceptable...
On 4/25/2019 3:41 PM, Dan Longmore wrote:

Cortana can be disabled.  Also, Microsoft is no more  invasive than Google which tracks so much through your browser.

 

Dan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 10:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Hello George:

 

As much as I need to upgrade to Windows 10, my biggest concern is, that as a person who values his privacy, I do not like the fact that Microsoft are making it more and more difficult to turn off/disable, so many of the spying and tracking features which are attached to Windows 10. The one feature, which most of all  I would like to turn off/disable, is the sodding, annoying, interfering feature, Cortana.

 

If anyone knows how to make it, so that any and all searches I wish to perform on my Windows 10 machine, are restricted to my local machine, then I would be glad to hear from you. I can always use a search engine, such as Google or DuckDuckGo for internet searches.

 

Sincerely:

 

Dave Durber

 

----- Original Message -----

From: G. Gray

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 4:32 PM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

I will weigh in on this, not trying to argue, but I had a windows XP computer I bought in 2004.  I used it until December 20, 2018 when it gave up the ghost   14 1/2 years with absolutely NO problems!    I used Viper and Firefox to access the web.  I used it for 14 years through Vista (which was terrible, windows 8, windows 8.1 and then Windows 7 with absolutely no problems even with no security updates.  I like Windows 7 and hope to use it a long time as well.  Windows 10 seems to have a lot of issues which of yet are not resolved....just my 2 cents.

 

George

 

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 10:21 AM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 10:42 AM, John Covici wrote:

Problem is, after support ends you get no security updates, so you will be vulnerable to being hacked.

Indeed, and I was not trying to imply you wouldn't, nor that continuing to use Windows 7 is a good idea.

I have, however, witnessed an awful lot of clinging to dead OSes, and some people are going to do it regardless of how bad an idea it is to do so.  But those programs that currently run under Win7 in their current versions will keep doing so for a very, very long time.

It still only makes sense, if one is sticking with a given OS ecosystem, to keep up-to-date with the latest version of that OS as a daily driver.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com




Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

The fact is that both Microsoft and Google give users the option to opt out of a very great deal of what they collect.  The default is "you're all in," but a quick web search turns up where to go either in one's Microsoft Account, or Google Account, to turn off almost all of it.

In the case of Google, if you're logged in to your Google Account:  https://myaccount.google.com/data-and-personalization

In the case of Microsoft:  https://account.microsoft.com/?ref=MeControl as well as cruising through your Privacy settings on your computer, too.

Companies are going to set defaults to their advantage, and always have.  Individuals should know this by now, and if it concerns them, take the steps to change those settings as close to possible as the way they'd like things as they can.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell