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Re: having trouble with a web page
On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 07:08 PM, Jed Barton wrote:
That's certainly interesting. It doesI, truly, cannot imagine what it's like for screen reader users faced with the continuous changes to web coding that have gone on for years and show no sign of stopping. No matter how quickly screen reader makers integrate access to what shakes out as "gonna stick around" after a short time, the next round of "let's come up with something else, that doesn't do anything all that much different than established method X, just for the fun of it" occurs. There are times, and from what I can see on this page as a sighted user, and how that search box works, this would be a major improvement if the screen reader and web object/control played well together, which clearly they do not at the moment. Maybe eventually they will. This is one reason, when it's readily available, that I tell my clients not to hesitate to seek sighted assistance when something just isn't working. You can often spend hours and hours, getting more and more [justifiably] frustrated, and still not achieve the end you're looking for. The control/object in question was entirely new to me, too, but being able to see what was happening and what the screen reader was/was not doing in response to it made all the difference. It's about accomplishing something with the minimum of time and trouble possible, which often involves calling for help (whether sighted or not, as this group illustrates on a regular basis). If you do the above every two seconds, that's when people eventually come at you with knives! ;-) -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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Re: New computer specs
David & his pack of dogs
Zel, you've got the job. LOL.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zel Iscel Sent: August 25, 2019 6:12 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs Hi all, Until recently, I always bought computers with i5 processors but I find they often lag and Outlook seems to open and close itself regularly, which is very annoying! I usually have several docs and several apps open at the same time so a couple of weeks ago I bought a laptop with an I7 processor and 16 gb ram. It seems to be working well with minimal lags. I was considering Dell Latitude and the Lenovo models but they didn't have all the keys on the keyboard. None of the Lenovo models had an apps key and I can't remember which key Dell didn't have. In the end I settled for The ruggedised HP ProBook 640 G4 with 16GB RAM and upgraded warranty. It has an I7 processor, 16 gb ram, 512 gb SSD storage, 15 hours battery life, NVDIA graphics card, and all the keys (except a numpad which I don't need anyway). It's a little heavier than I was hoping for at 1.8 kg but I'm willing to sacrifice the weight for a long battery life and an independent graphics card. NVDIA and AMD are apparently the only two independent graphics cards that work well with Jaws. I specifically wanted an independent graphics card in order to free up the processor so I can do the things I need to do with minimal lags. I use Microsoft Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Outlook (Including calendar), and whatever else I need to work with and can access. I also test websites and some accessibility ttools, though I haven't found any that I like yet. I feel like I'm writing for a job application. Lol! But I hope this helps you, Andrew, in your decision for a new laptop. Good luck. Zel -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2019 2:25 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs That was going to be my comment as well, if all you do is run Windows 10 and maybe Office and you mostly store documents and not thousands and thousands of pictures or, even worse, videos there is probably no need for anything larger. Having said this when it comes to price and what you get for it a 500Gb or, as some manufacturers specify, a 512Gb SSD seems to be in the sweet spot right now. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 9:41 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective. I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD. Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case. Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all? I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail, open some web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and listen to some MP3 audio. All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@gmail.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM Subject: Re: New computer specs A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much. I think he wasup. Thus, I agree with Feliciano.
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Re: JAWS and phone in the same input
Rick Mladek
Plantronics does offer a duel channel headphone where you can listen to jaws
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on one side and the individual on the phone, on the other. I do have this exact headset and it works excellently. Rick
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 9:48 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: JAWS and phone in the same input Still looking for a way for someone to hear/speak into the phone and also listen to JAWS at the same time. Will Plantronics do this, does anyone know? thanks
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Re: Changing Jaws Key
Zel Iscel
Oh, I just found it. Sorry to bother you. And thank you very much for your help. Cheers Zel
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2019 9:43 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Changing Jaws Key
Thanks Randy. Following your instructions, I get the option of insert, capslock or scroll lock. When I chose the insert key, it only allows me to use the key above delete. I was hoping to use the insert key at the bottom row, to the left of the delete key. Is there any way I can specify which insert key I want?
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main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Hi, press jaws key plus 6 then press ctrl plus shift plus D for the jaws default settings, then in the search field type jaws key Then tab once and down arrow once then press space bar until you get the key you want for the Jaws key. On 8/22/2019 11:46 AM, Zel Iscel wrote:
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JAWS and phone in the same input
Ann Byrne
Still looking for a way for someone to hear/speak into the phone and also listen to JAWS at the same time. Will Plantronics do this, does anyone know?
thanks
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Re: Changing Jaws Key
Zel Iscel
Thanks Randy. Following your instructions, I get the option of insert, capslock or scroll lock. When I chose the insert key, it only allows me to use the key above delete. I was hoping to use the insert key at the bottom row, to the left of the delete key. Is there any way I can specify which insert key I want?
Cheers Zel
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Saturday, 24 August 2019 3:21 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Changing Jaws Key
Hi, press jaws key plus 6 then press ctrl plus shift plus D for the jaws default settings, then in the search field type jaws key Then tab once and down arrow once then press space bar until you get the key you want for the Jaws key. On 8/22/2019 11:46 AM, Zel Iscel wrote:
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Re: Reading notes in PowerPoint
Zel Iscel
Hi Anne,
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Press alt and w similtaniously, then t. Press alt and w, then l to get back to the normal view.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2019 11:03 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Reading notes in PowerPoint The PowerPoint presentation I am looking at says "has notes". When I press shift-ctrl-n to read the notes, JAWS just says "press f6 or shift-f6". No notes read. How do I get JAWS to read the stinkin' notes? thanks, Ann
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Re: New computer specs
Zel Iscel
Hi all,
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Until recently, I always bought computers with i5 processors but I find they often lag and Outlook seems to open and close itself regularly, which is very annoying! I usually have several docs and several apps open at the same time so a couple of weeks ago I bought a laptop with an I7 processor and 16 gb ram. It seems to be working well with minimal lags. I was considering Dell Latitude and the Lenovo models but they didn't have all the keys on the keyboard. None of the Lenovo models had an apps key and I can't remember which key Dell didn't have. In the end I settled for The ruggedised HP ProBook 640 G4 with 16GB RAM and upgraded warranty. It has an I7 processor, 16 gb ram, 512 gb SSD storage, 15 hours battery life, NVDIA graphics card, and all the keys (except a numpad which I don't need anyway). It's a little heavier than I was hoping for at 1.8 kg but I'm willing to sacrifice the weight for a long battery life and an independent graphics card. NVDIA and AMD are apparently the only two independent graphics cards that work well with Jaws. I specifically wanted an independent graphics card in order to free up the processor so I can do the things I need to do with minimal lags. I use Microsoft Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Outlook (Including calendar), and whatever else I need to work with and can access. I also test websites and some accessibility ttools, though I haven't found any that I like yet. I feel like I'm writing for a job application. Lol! But I hope this helps you, Andrew, in your decision for a new laptop. Good luck. Zel
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2019 2:25 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs That was going to be my comment as well, if all you do is run Windows 10 and maybe Office and you mostly store documents and not thousands and thousands of pictures or, even worse, videos there is probably no need for anything larger. Having said this when it comes to price and what you get for it a 500Gb or, as some manufacturers specify, a 512Gb SSD seems to be in the sweet spot right now. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 9:41 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective. I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD. Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case. Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all? I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail, open some web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and listen to some MP3 audio. All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@gmail.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM Subject: Re: New computer specs A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much. I think he was
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Re: RestoringtJaws access
Dave Durber
Hello Chris:
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He can do that, as long as he has keys on the sight, which can be used to activate JAWS.
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From: "Chris Hill" <hillco@earthlink.net> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 1:29 PM Subject: Re: RestoringtJaws access You shouldn't have to call them. If you have your serial number and all that good stuff, go over to fsactivate.com and you should be able to do what you need.
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Re: RestoringtJaws access
Chris Hill
You shouldn't have to call them. If you have your serial number and all that good stuff, go over to fsactivate.com and you should be able to do what you need.
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Re: New computer specs
Chris Hill
For the use case you specify later, you probably won't benefit from the i9, an i7 would do you fine for many years. I'd put some of that money into a bigger ssd drive. I also wouldn't buy the separate video card, what you are doing isn't going to tax video at all. If the machine can hold it, get 16gb of ram. Avoid any machine that talks about gaming, unless you know for a fact it has stereo speakers. Believe it or not, I have a dell gaming machine that has one speaker and a sub-woofer. If I'd known when I bought it, I wouldn't have.
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On 8/24/2019 23:21, Andrew Diederick wrote:
Hello all.
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Re: New computer specs
Gerald Levy
Everybody and his uncle claims that SSD's are superior to HD's. But I have read that although they are faster and more mechanically reliable than HD's, they are more prone to data errors as their memory cells wear out, and so they may not last as long. Also, they emit almost no noise, so if you purchase a Windows 10 laptop that lacks a DVD drive, there is really no reliable means to tell for sure that it has powered off completely after a shutdown has been initiated because there is no shutdown sound. At least with an HD, you can usually feel it spinning when the power is on.
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Gerald
On 8/25/2019 2:24 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
That was going to be my comment as well, if all you do is run Windows 10 and maybe Office and you mostly store documents and not thousands and thousands of pictures or, even worse, videos there is probably no need for anything larger. Having said this when it comes to price and what you get for it a 500Gb or, as some manufacturers specify, a 512Gb SSD seems to be in the sweet spot right now.
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Re: RestoringtJaws access
Dave Durber
Hello:
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Even though JAWS is running in Demo Mode , you have access to all its functions and features during the 40 minute demo. HTH
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From: "Justin Mcdevitt" <jhmcdev@outlook.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 4:39 AM Subject: RestoringtJaws access
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Re: New computer specs
That was going to be my comment as well, if all you do is run Windows 10 and maybe Office and you mostly store documents and not thousands and thousands of pictures or, even worse, videos there is probably no need for anything larger. Having said this when it comes to price and what you get for it a 500Gb or, as some manufacturers specify, a 512Gb SSD seems to be in the sweet spot right now.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 9:41 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective. I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD. Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case. Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all? I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail, open some web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and listen to some MP3 audio. All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@gmail.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM Subject: Re: New computer specs A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much. I think he was
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Re: New computer specs
David Ingram
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From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@gmail.com>Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't have a full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also check to see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course. Remember you still have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of ram to run in the background while other processes are going on.
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Re: New computer specs
Tyler Wood
Hello, If I may make one further suggestion.
If you’d like a Dell Machine and for it to last 6 years, I highly recommend the Latitude business models. They have a minimum of preinstalled software, the warranty options are much more customizable and you can extend them, and the specifications are almost 100% flexible without the graphics card which, according to what you say you are doing with the machine, is definitely not needed. An i7 processor is more than sufficient, however a few more questions. If all you are doing is office and web browsing, you would get by with an i5 processor, thus saving you even more money. Of course, keeping the system for 6 years, your needs may change during that time and this is an investment, so there is nothing wrong with that i7. How much storage do you generally use on a computer? As long as it is a solid state drive, you’ll be fine, regardless of the size. Again, with changing conditions in the computer world, 6 years from now, a smaller amount of storage could be a detriment. I’m not going to say I’m an expert on this, but I’ve certainly had my fair share of experiences. The latitude series is also less likely to have Dell’s famous audio issues wherein when a key is pressed, the first word of speech is nearly cut off because of audio enhancements. Are you wanting to go with Dell, or are you open to other companies, such as Lenovo? The Lenovo think book series is quite nice, reasonably priced, and well built, with good warranty options. There are also the thinkpad series which have incredible keyboards (this is my first thinkpad and I really do understand why these keyboards are raved about). Seeing as how you perform extensive office tasks, a good keyboard is something to keep in mind, too, and I believe the think book series is very close to the thinkpad series in that regard, too.
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Sent: August 25, 2019 12:15 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs
Hello all:
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Re: New computer specs
Andrew Diederick
Hello all: Tyler, thank you for the insight. I mainly use Microsoft office suite, and browse the web with this unit. I’m looking on dell.com. I’m looking at a I seven 512 solid-state drive with 16 gig of RAM. And a plain graphics card. That retails for $1200. I’m not looking to spend more than that, and it states it’s a gaming computer. If the unit specs will last me around six years plus I would be very happy with that.
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Re: New computer specs
Richard Turner
The only reason to have the faster processors is if you are editing large audio or video files and multitasking with some processor heavy software, which most people do not do.
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And, if I remember correctly; which may be a big if, those graphic cards he mentioned have been problematic with Jaws.
Unless he has some software that is requiring it, which would be surprising.
I will never go back to a standard HD drive after using my SSD drive now for a year.
Richard
Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.
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Re: New computer specs
Tyler Wood
Hi,
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This is completely, 100% true. Although using a solid state drive in 2019 is almost a must - at least for those that have experienced one. But so far as other sspecs are concerned there are too many people out there that equate an i7 or i9 to being better and that simply isn't true for just about 99% of use case scenarios. Now that I look back at the specs, what are you needing a dedicated Nvidia Graphics card for in particular? Intel hd graphics does just fine so far as Jaws is concerned.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny Sent: August 24, 2019 11:41 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective. I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD. Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case. Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all? I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail, open some web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and listen to some MP3 audio. All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@gmail.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM Subject: Re: New computer specs A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much. I think he wasup. Thus, I agree with Feliciano.
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Re: New computer specs
Glenn / Lenny
The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective.
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I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD. Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case. Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all? I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail, open some web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and listen to some MP3 audio. All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine. Glenn
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From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@gmail.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM Subject: Re: New computer specs A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much. I think he was
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