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Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Michael Mote
Hi Mike. If I am not mistaken, I believe the Mirror Display driver is used on Windows 7 computers, and is replaced by the Accessibility driver starting with the Windows 8 operating system. Anyone using Windows 7 should continue using the Mirror display driver. That was my understanding of the process, but I could be wrong.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 9:00 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Here's the explanation of the Accessibility Driver from the default Settings Center: The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases. Take Care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave... Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:00 AM Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Sieghard,
Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19 Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...> On Behalf Of Dave...
James,
Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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Warning - Uncheck "Accessibility Driver at your own risk
Dave...
Mike,
Okay, so I have Windows 7. Therefore I should not have unchecked the "Use
accessibility driver" in the default setting.
Because I cannot even do a JAWS 2019 repair now. It crashes. I'm back to
JAWS 2018 until I unscramble this mess.
Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 06:00
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror
display drivers? Here's the explanation of the Accessibility Driver from the
default Settings Center:
The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by
our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to
JAWS. This information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used
primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as
by JAWS scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying
information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many
cases.
Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver. This check box is selected by default. Take Care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave...
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror
display drivers? Sieghard,
Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now
JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?
Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer ----- Original Message -----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror
display drivers? Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...>
On Behalf Of Dave...
James,
Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Mike B. <mike9902@...>
Here's the explanation of the Accessibility Driver from the
default Settings Center:
The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by
our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to
JAWS. This information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used
primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as
by JAWS scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying
information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many
cases.
Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver. This check box is selected by default. Take Care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave...
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror
display drivers? Sieghard,
Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now
JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?
Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer ----- Original Message -----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror
display drivers? Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...>
On Behalf Of Dave...
James,
Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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FW: jaws 2019 and office-2010 updates
William Windels
Hello,
I use win10 and the last version of jaws2019 on my workplace and the following updates are pushed by microsoft last week:
Security Update for Microsoft Excel 2010 32-Bit Edition (KB4462186) Feb-12-2019 Security Update for Microsoft Office 2010 32-Bit Edition (KB4018313) Feb-12-2019 Security Update for Microsoft Office 2010 32-Bit Edition (KB4462174) Feb-12-2019 Security Update for Microsoft Office 2010 32-Bit Edition (KB4462177) Feb-12-2019
Since this update, jaws and/or excel are hanging while working in excel. e.g. if I select a row, jaws is speaking the whole row and during the announcement of jaws , I can’t move the cursor.: the computer is blocking for everyone. This is what I can reproduce but perhaps there are also other tasks in excel that don’t work fine since the updates.
Is there any known impact because of this security-updates?
Many thx for any suggestion
Met vriendelijke groeten William Windels
Incident Manager SWO 02/506 0 487 (niet bereikbaar op maandag en vrijdag)
Van: Jordi Smolders [mailto:jordi.smolders@...]
Grts Jordi
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Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Dave Durber
Hello Dave:
It appears that, it depends on the version of
Windows you are using.
I am using Window 7 Professional, and until this
morning, I was using JAWS 2018. I just installed JAWS 2019.
Before I installed JAWS 2019, I looked in Display
Adapters in Device Manager. In addition to the video device driver, the
FreedomScientific Mirror Driver was also listed.
After I installed JAWS 19, I again checked to see
if the driver for JAWS had changed. It had not.
I reinstalled Windows 7 just after JAWS 2018 was
released, and until this morning, JAWS 2018 was the only version of JAWS
installed on this computer.
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
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Re: trying to learn how to use Chrome, and having issues.
Dave Durber
That is correct.
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
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Re: trying to learn how to use Chrome, and having issues.
Dave Durber
In Internet Explorer, CTRL+L and CTRL+O, both take
you to the place where you can type a URL address.
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
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Re: accessible project management/collaboration software
paul lemm
Hi,
Thanks for the adice. I don’t know a huge amount about SharePoint or the google suite, but I’ll take a look online to get a little more information about both to see if they would help.
Again thanks for the reply and advice.
Regards
Paul
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 4:51 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: accessible project management/collaboration software
So many directions you can go with this question. We use SharePoint here at work, which works fine with JAWS if you are using it to check in and out documents, but not so great if you are trying ot edit actual pages.
I haven’t used the Google suite, but it sounds from other people like that could be an option.
I’ve never heard good accessibility things for Miscrosoft Project. We tend to use Excel here for the project plan and SharePoint for sharing documents.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of paul lemm
Hi,
So I’m working on a project with some other people , one of the sighted members of the group has suggested we look into some project management software or online collaboration tool where we can all log what we’re doing/working on so others from the group can see exactly what we are all doing and our progress on that work. So just wondering if anyone from this group has used anything like this and has any suggestions for either an online tool or piece of software that would do this and work well with Jaws?
Regards
Paul
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Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Dave...
Sieghard,
Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now
JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?
Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
----- Original Message -----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror
display drivers? Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...>
On Behalf Of Dave...
James,
Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
James Homuth
Worth looking at when I have a chance to sit down with it. I want to say we were running 2018 on this machine in demo mode, so perhaps if I feel daring I’ll see what 2019 can do.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: February-19-19 12:30 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
I am not sure if the mirror display driver is the same thing, but I just checked here with Jaws 2019 and it is called the ”Freedom Scientific Accessibility Display Driver”.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Nope. We had either 18 or 2018 on this machine and they were still there. Uninstalling it now because it’s making life complicated.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
James,
Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
I am not sure if the mirror display driver is the same thing, but I just checked here with Jaws 2019 and it is called the ”Freedom Scientific Accessibility Display Driver”.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
James Homuth
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:23 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Nope. We had either 18 or 2018 on this machine and they were still there. Uninstalling it now because it’s making life complicated.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Dave...
James,
Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
James Homuth
Directly? Nothing. However, the entire reason the accessibility drivers are proving a pain in my particular situation is because they mess with Magnifier. Affording Zoomtext would solve that problem. So would being able to disable the accessibility drivers.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: February-19-19 12:28 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
What does being able to afford Zoomtext or Jaws have to do with accessibility drivers or not?
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
God I hope this becomes a thing soon. I don’t care so much about the JAWS cursor, but the person who owns this computer hasn’t got a hope in hell of affording Zoomtext. I can afford JAWS, but that only solves half our problem. LOL
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
James,
Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
What does being able to afford Zoomtext or Jaws have to do with accessibility drivers or not?
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
James Homuth
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:25 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
God I hope this becomes a thing soon. I don’t care so much about the JAWS cursor, but the person who owns this computer hasn’t got a hope in hell of affording Zoomtext. I can afford JAWS, but that only solves half our problem. LOL
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Dave...
James,
Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
James Homuth
God I hope this becomes a thing soon. I don’t care so much about the JAWS cursor, but the person who owns this computer hasn’t got a hope in hell of affording Zoomtext. I can afford JAWS, but that only solves half our problem. LOL
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: February-19-19 12:20 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
James,
Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
James Homuth
Nope. We had either 18 or 2018 on this machine and they were still there. Uninstalling it now because it’s making life complicated.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: February-19-19 12:12 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
James,
Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Dave...
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
James,
Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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Re: trying to learn how to use Chrome, and having issues.
I am on the Jaws private beta list and while a few Chrome related bugs have been reported in the current beta and are being worked on, I have never experienced nor heard of anybody having a problem accessing the address bar whether you do it with Control + L, Alt + D or by pressing F6. I used to get to the address bar from any web page by pressing F6 once, it looks like a Chrome update has slightly changed that since the first press of F6 takes you to the currently open tab, then a second press of F6 takes me to the address bar. Maybe you can explain in more detail exactly what is happening for you, but if you report something nobody can reproduce it is difficult to pinpoint what is wrong.
Regards, Sieghard
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Dave Mitchell
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 5:14 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: trying to learn how to use Chrome, and having issues.
Hi, In my case, I have to regularly unload and reload JAWS to keep this edit field viable. To no good end, I have advised Vispero about this annoyance since JAWS 18. Mitch “No matter how cynical you become, it’s never enough to keep up.” Lily Tomlin
From: Randy Meyer
Control-l is what gives you a place to type in a website or search. This is an adjustment from using control-o to open a website with internet explorer.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Hi all, I have the tutorial here, by David Moore. I have read it, and am still having issues. I can’t even get to a web site I want. So, I open Chrome. I hit the windows key up arrow to make sure that chrome is maximized. Then I try to type in the web site I want. And so I hit Control O, and before I can type in anything, I hear, OAKPT2. So I back space that out, and type in what I want. And I hear an ok button. So I hit the space bar, and nothing happens after that. I am running windows ten and jaws 2019. What the heck am I doing wrong? I want to use this browser as my default, but not if it is this hard to use. Jim
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Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Dave...
James,
Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS
15.
Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
----- Original Message -----
From: James Homuth
To: jfw@groups.io
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52
Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display
drivers? I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
James Homuth
I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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Re: trying to learn how to use Chrome, and having issues.
Dave Mitchell
Hi, In my case, I have to regularly unload and reload JAWS to keep this edit field viable. To no good end, I have advised Vispero about this annoyance since JAWS 18. Mitch “No matter how cynical you become, it’s never enough to keep up.” Lily Tomlin
From: Randy Meyer
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 3:48 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: trying to learn how to use Chrome, and having issues.
Control-l is what gives you a place to type in a website or search. This is an adjustment from using control-o to open a website with internet explorer.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Hi all, I have the tutorial here, by David Moore. I have read it, and am still having issues. I can’t even get to a web site I want. So, I open Chrome. I hit the windows key up arrow to make sure that chrome is maximized. Then I try to type in the web site I want. And so I hit Control O, and before I can type in anything, I hear, OAKPT2. So I back space that out, and type in what I want. And I hear an ok button. So I hit the space bar, and nothing happens after that. I am running windows ten and jaws 2019. What the heck am I doing wrong? I want to use this browser as my default, but not if it is this hard to use. Jim
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