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Re: pros and cons of Office 365

Cristóbal
 

Darn. I was too lazy to check and catch that homonym.
Anyway... to sort of stay on topic, I’m pretty agnostic about the subscription model or whether one's better than the other. I am a subscriber to a couple of Office small business plans Mainly for the exchange accounts and while I'm entitled to the standard desktop installs, I've been in the habit of getting my Office licenses via eBay, but just the key and not the DVD. You can grab these for anywhere from $5 to $12. I've posted about this in the past.
It's completely on the up and up due to an EU regulation having to do with some sort of antitrust/antitrade stipulation (Those darn government rules. Tyranny I tell you!). Too boring and technical to really get into, but the quick and dirty is that companies make a business out of buying busted or retired systems in bulk to extract among other things, scrap, parts and the extraction of the associated keys. I think OS licenses are a bit more of a gray area and to be on the safe side, you're probably best off just buying a Windows OS key through the MS store if you don't want the feds kicking down your door or find that you got stuck with a bogus key, but office licenses? Fair game.
I just recently grabbed my wife an Office 2016 Professional license a couple of weeks ago for $9 from a seller in the UK to put on her new Dell laptop.
Standard caveats if you go this rout and all that. Check the seller's ratings and if it's one dude with 2 feedbacks or if it's some random guy trying to sell his one license, you may be better off passing and looking somewhere else. There are enough out there that keys are not hard to find through sellers who've got thousands of reviews. Paying $10 rather than $80 is really sticking it to the man...
That or you could sell your digital soul and subjugate yourself to the MS overlords with a sub. Choices choices.
Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2018 7:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: pros and cons of Office 365

Interesting interpretation regarding the "surf" by which I assume you meant a "serf".
I fail to see the connection between a subscriber which is what you are when you subscribe to Office 365 and a serf which, by definition is an "agricultural laborer bound under the feudal system to work on his lord's estate."
Just because you don't want to pay a subscription for Office 365 which also includes 1 Tb of OneDrive storage, cost for that on Dropbox alone is as much or more than the Office 365 subscription) doesn't mean others find it reduces them to serfdom.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2018 7:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: pros and cons of Office 365

If you want MS Office cheap on a DVD, go to eBay. A single PC license of the professional version that includes Access is $84 and a two PC version is $104. The license lasts forever, unlike the $70 a year for Office 365. That’s $140 for just two years and $210 for three years.
If you get Office 365, Microsoft has effectively turned you into a surf.

Another con for Office 365 is the possibility of being removed from the service and having all your files deleted without notice. Section I of the MS services agreement tells users “Don’t do anything illegal.” This would mean that if you told a friend you smoked a joint of marijuana, you violated the services agreement and can have your account suspended. This is because while the substance is legal in some states, it is still illegal on the federal level. Even if someone were using marijuana to cure themselves of cancer, Microsoft doesn’t care. The person was committing an illegal act and therefore has violated the services agreement and deserves to be banned for life. Another doozy is in section vii of the services agreement.
Microsoft tells users to “Don’t engage in activity that is harmful to
you, the Services, or others.” Microsoft gives obvious examples of
nasty and destructive behavior like transmitting viruses, stalking, and posting terrorist content. Another example listed refers to “communicating hate speech, or advocating violence against others.”
The second provision would be extremely troubling if you are a gun owner and possess firearms for personal defense. Advocating for gun rights, stand your ground laws, and laws that eliminate any duty to retreat from an attacker could be considered by some as advocating violence as the person would be using lethal force in defense of his life. Using violence in self-defense is perfectly legal, but it is still advocating violence, according to some on the left. The technology industry has removed many thousands of people from Web-based services, such as Google, Twitter, Facebook and YouTube over issues of hate speech, which the companies never define or explicitly describe. Recently, large numbers of Google Docs users found themselves locked out of their account because an automated system determined they had used the software to create unspecified material that the company considered hate speech. Those blocked include academic scientists and business owners who insisted nothing of a controversial or political nature was stored on Google’s system. The company later acknowledged that a staff programmer made a change to an algorithm that created many hate speech false positives. If you were to buy an Office 2016 DVD, your access to Access, Word and other Office programs will never be denied for grounds of simply having a political opinion, or someone’s arbitrary determination of hate speech or engaging in illegal activity of a law you knew nothing about.

Kelly

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On 12/1/18, Richard B. McDonald <richardbmcdonald@...> wrote:
In the particular situation for MS Access, you would likely be best
off with Office 365. And, I mean its web-based version not its
desktop version.
That said, in general I have not found Access to be very accessible.
However, I recollect reading something recently about the Office 365
version of Access being substantially more accessible than any desktop
version; including 2016 and 2019. You ought to Google this topic.



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin
Meyers
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 11:37 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: pros and cons of Office 365



Hello,

I'm using Windows10 and Jaws 2018. I was looking to switch to Office
365. I need to start using Access. I'm looking for the most cost
effective way to get Access. I either go to Office 365 and pay the $70
per year for the personal version. Or purchase a stand alone Access
2016 for $129. What are the pros and cons of using office 365?

Cheers,

Kevin












Re: Is Edge usable as a browser with JAWS?

Bill White
 

Hi, Keith. I use Edge for some things like Internet radio streaming, but it has some nasty querks, like displaying pages in tabular form, even when the page doesn’t display as a table in other browsers.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2018 7:32 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Is Edge usable as a browser with JAWS?

 

Hi,

 

I’m new to Windows 10, and currently using Google Chrome as my default browser, which is working well.

 

I haven’t heard mention recently about usability of Edge browser with JAWS, so I’m guessing it’s still is not a viable option, but wanted to check by inquiring here.

 

Curious to learn of it’s current status.

 

Thanks in advance, Keith

Re: Is Edge usable as a browser with JAWS?

charleseblack@...
 

It does work fine for the newest level of JAWS, JAWS 2019. It depends on the level of JAWS you are currently running.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2018 10:32 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Is Edge usable as a browser with JAWS?

 

Hi,

 

I’m new to Windows 10, and currently using Google Chrome as my default browser, which is working well.

 

I haven’t heard mention recently about usability of Edge browser with JAWS, so I’m guessing it’s still is not a viable option, but wanted to check by inquiring here.

 

Curious to learn of it’s current status.

 

Thanks in advance, Keith

Re: Is Edge usable as a browser with JAWS?

 

If you use Jaws 2019 (Jaws 2018 also works) Edge is very useable and I suggest you simply give it a try. I still prefer Chrome because there are a few things which are still not supported in Edge such as auto forms mode for example and it's too verbose for me.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2018 10:32 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Is Edge usable as a browser with JAWS?

 

Hi,

 

I’m new to Windows 10, and currently using Google Chrome as my default browser, which is working well.

 

I haven’t heard mention recently about usability of Edge browser with JAWS, so I’m guessing it’s still is not a viable option, but wanted to check by inquiring here.

 

Curious to learn of it’s current status.

 

Thanks in advance, Keith

Is Edge usable as a browser with JAWS?

Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
 

Hi,

 

I’m new to Windows 10, and currently using Google Chrome as my default browser, which is working well.

 

I haven’t heard mention recently about usability of Edge browser with JAWS, so I’m guessing it’s still is not a viable option, but wanted to check by inquiring here.

 

Curious to learn of it’s current status.

 

Thanks in advance, Keith

Re: pros and cons of Office 365

 

Interesting interpretation regarding the "surf" by which I assume you meant a "serf".
I fail to see the connection between a subscriber which is what you are when you subscribe to Office 365 and a serf which, by definition is an "agricultural laborer bound under the feudal system to work on his lord's estate."
Just because you don't want to pay a subscription for Office 365 which also includes 1 Tb of OneDrive storage, cost for that on Dropbox alone is as much or more than the Office 365 subscription) doesn't mean others find it reduces them to serfdom.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2018 7:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: pros and cons of Office 365

If you want MS Office cheap on a DVD, go to eBay. A single PC license
of the professional version that includes Access is $84 and a two PC
version is $104. The license lasts forever, unlike the $70 a year for
Office 365. That’s $140 for just two years and $210 for three years.
If you get Office 365, Microsoft has effectively turned you into a
surf.

Another con for Office 365 is the possibility of being removed from
the service and having all your files deleted without notice. Section
I of the MS services agreement tells users “Don’t do anything
illegal.” This would mean that if you told a friend you smoked a
joint of marijuana, you violated the services agreement and can have
your account suspended. This is because while the substance is legal
in some states, it is still illegal on the federal level. Even if
someone were using marijuana to cure themselves of cancer, Microsoft
doesn’t care. The person was committing an illegal act and therefore
has violated the services agreement and deserves to be banned for
life. Another doozy is in section vii of the services agreement.
Microsoft tells users to “Don’t engage in activity that is harmful to
you, the Services, or others.” Microsoft gives obvious examples of
nasty and destructive behavior like transmitting viruses, stalking,
and posting terrorist content. Another example listed refers to
“communicating hate speech, or advocating violence against others.”
The second provision would be extremely troubling if you are a gun
owner and possess firearms for personal defense. Advocating for gun
rights, stand your ground laws, and laws that eliminate any duty to
retreat from an attacker could be considered by some as advocating
violence as the person would be using lethal force in defense of his
life. Using violence in self-defense is perfectly legal, but it is
still advocating violence, according to some on the left. The
technology industry has removed many thousands of people from
Web-based services, such as Google, Twitter, Facebook and YouTube over
issues of hate speech, which the companies never define or explicitly
describe. Recently, large numbers of Google Docs users found
themselves locked out of their account because an automated system
determined they had used the software to create unspecified material
that the company considered hate speech. Those blocked include
academic scientists and business owners who insisted nothing of a
controversial or political nature was stored on Google’s system. The
company later acknowledged that a staff programmer made a change to an
algorithm that created many hate speech false positives. If you were
to buy an Office 2016 DVD, your access to Access, Word and other
Office programs will never be denied for grounds of simply having a
political opinion, or someone’s arbitrary determination of hate speech
or engaging in illegal activity of a law you knew nothing about.

Kelly

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On 12/1/18, Richard B. McDonald <richardbmcdonald@...> wrote:
In the particular situation for MS Access, you would likely be best off
with
Office 365. And, I mean its web-based version not its desktop version.
That said, in general I have not found Access to be very accessible.
However, I recollect reading something recently about the Office 365
version
of Access being substantially more accessible than any desktop version;
including 2016 and 2019. You ought to Google this topic.



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 11:37 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: pros and cons of Office 365



Hello,

I'm using Windows10 and Jaws 2018. I was looking to switch to Office 365. I
need to start using Access. I'm looking for the most cost effective way to
get Access. I either go to Office 365 and pay the $70 per year for the
personal version. Or purchase a stand alone Access 2016 for $129. What are
the pros and cons of using office 365?

Cheers,

Kevin












Re: pros and cons of Office 365

Kevin Meyers <kevinmeyers@...>
 

Thanks for the suggestions. Actually I jus want to get Access 2016. That doesn't come with Office 2016. I will look on Ebay and other places to see if I can find a cheaper price than $129.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2018 6:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: pros and cons of Office 365

Yep, all good points that people should generally be aware of.

I got my copy of Office 2016 for $40.
Oh, and in case all that oneDrive storage is an incentive for you -- be aware too that the service has had a number of reported unexpected outages.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: December 1, 2018 7:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: pros and cons of Office 365

If you want MS Office cheap on a DVD, go to eBay. A single PC license of the professional version that includes Access is $84 and a two PC version is $104. The license lasts forever, unlike the $70 a year for Office 365. That’s $140 for just two years and $210 for three years.
If you get Office 365, Microsoft has effectively turned you into a surf.

Another con for Office 365 is the possibility of being removed from the service and having all your files deleted without notice. Section I of the MS services agreement tells users “Don’t do anything illegal.” This would mean that if you told a friend you smoked a joint of marijuana, you violated the services agreement and can have your account suspended. This is because while the substance is legal in some states, it is still illegal on the federal level. Even if someone were using marijuana to cure themselves of cancer, Microsoft doesn’t care. The person was committing an illegal act and therefore has violated the services agreement and deserves to be banned for life. Another doozy is in section vii of the services agreement.
Microsoft tells users to “Don’t engage in activity that is harmful to
you, the Services, or others.” Microsoft gives obvious examples of
nasty and destructive behavior like transmitting viruses, stalking, and posting terrorist content. Another example listed refers to “communicating hate speech, or advocating violence against others.”
The second provision would be extremely troubling if you are a gun owner and possess firearms for personal defense. Advocating for gun rights, stand your ground laws, and laws that eliminate any duty to retreat from an attacker could be considered by some as advocating violence as the person would be using lethal force in defense of his life. Using violence in self-defense is perfectly legal, but it is still advocating violence, according to some on the left. The technology industry has removed many thousands of people from Web-based services, such as Google, Twitter, Facebook and YouTube over issues of hate speech, which the companies never define or explicitly describe. Recently, large numbers of Google Docs users found themselves locked out of their account because an automated system determined they had used the software to create unspecified material that the company considered hate speech. Those blocked include academic scientists and business owners who insisted nothing of a controversial or political nature was stored on Google’s system. The company later acknowledged that a staff programmer made a change to an algorithm that created many hate speech false positives. If you were to buy an Office 2016 DVD, your access to Access, Word and other Office programs will never be denied for grounds of simply having a political opinion, or someone’s arbitrary determination of hate speech or engaging in illegal activity of a law you knew nothing about.

Kelly

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On 12/1/18, Richard B. McDonald <richardbmcdonald@...> wrote:
In the particular situation for MS Access, you would likely be best
off with Office 365. And, I mean its web-based version not its
desktop version.
That said, in general I have not found Access to be very accessible.
However, I recollect reading something recently about the Office 365
version of Access being substantially more accessible than any desktop
version; including 2016 and 2019. You ought to Google this topic.



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin
Meyers
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 11:37 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: pros and cons of Office 365



Hello,

I'm using Windows10 and Jaws 2018. I was looking to switch to Office
365. I need to start using Access. I'm looking for the most cost
effective way to get Access. I either go to Office 365 and pay the $70
per year for the personal version. Or purchase a stand alone Access
2016 for $129. What are the pros and cons of using office 365?

Cheers,

Kevin












Re: pros and cons of Office 365

JM Casey
 

Yep, all good points that people should generally be aware of.

I got my copy of Office 2016 for $40.
Oh, and in case all that oneDrive storage is an incentive for you -- be aware too that the service has had a number of reported unexpected outages.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: December 1, 2018 7:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: pros and cons of Office 365

If you want MS Office cheap on a DVD, go to eBay. A single PC license of the professional version that includes Access is $84 and a two PC version is $104. The license lasts forever, unlike the $70 a year for Office 365. That’s $140 for just two years and $210 for three years.
If you get Office 365, Microsoft has effectively turned you into a surf.

Another con for Office 365 is the possibility of being removed from the service and having all your files deleted without notice. Section I of the MS services agreement tells users “Don’t do anything illegal.” This would mean that if you told a friend you smoked a joint of marijuana, you violated the services agreement and can have your account suspended. This is because while the substance is legal in some states, it is still illegal on the federal level. Even if someone were using marijuana to cure themselves of cancer, Microsoft doesn’t care. The person was committing an illegal act and therefore has violated the services agreement and deserves to be banned for life. Another doozy is in section vii of the services agreement.
Microsoft tells users to “Don’t engage in activity that is harmful to
you, the Services, or others.” Microsoft gives obvious examples of
nasty and destructive behavior like transmitting viruses, stalking, and posting terrorist content. Another example listed refers to “communicating hate speech, or advocating violence against others.”
The second provision would be extremely troubling if you are a gun owner and possess firearms for personal defense. Advocating for gun rights, stand your ground laws, and laws that eliminate any duty to retreat from an attacker could be considered by some as advocating violence as the person would be using lethal force in defense of his life. Using violence in self-defense is perfectly legal, but it is still advocating violence, according to some on the left. The technology industry has removed many thousands of people from Web-based services, such as Google, Twitter, Facebook and YouTube over issues of hate speech, which the companies never define or explicitly describe. Recently, large numbers of Google Docs users found themselves locked out of their account because an automated system determined they had used the software to create unspecified material that the company considered hate speech. Those blocked include academic scientists and business owners who insisted nothing of a controversial or political nature was stored on Google’s system. The company later acknowledged that a staff programmer made a change to an algorithm that created many hate speech false positives. If you were to buy an Office 2016 DVD, your access to Access, Word and other Office programs will never be denied for grounds of simply having a political opinion, or someone’s arbitrary determination of hate speech or engaging in illegal activity of a law you knew nothing about.

Kelly

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On 12/1/18, Richard B. McDonald <richardbmcdonald@...> wrote:
In the particular situation for MS Access, you would likely be best
off with Office 365. And, I mean its web-based version not its
desktop version.
That said, in general I have not found Access to be very accessible.
However, I recollect reading something recently about the Office 365
version of Access being substantially more accessible than any desktop
version; including 2016 and 2019. You ought to Google this topic.



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin
Meyers
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 11:37 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: pros and cons of Office 365



Hello,

I'm using Windows10 and Jaws 2018. I was looking to switch to Office
365. I need to start using Access. I'm looking for the most cost
effective way to get Access. I either go to Office 365 and pay the $70
per year for the personal version. Or purchase a stand alone Access
2016 for $129. What are the pros and cons of using office 365?

Cheers,

Kevin












Re: pros and cons of Office 365

Kelly Pierce
 

If you want MS Office cheap on a DVD, go to eBay. A single PC license
of the professional version that includes Access is $84 and a two PC
version is $104. The license lasts forever, unlike the $70 a year for
Office 365. That’s $140 for just two years and $210 for three years.
If you get Office 365, Microsoft has effectively turned you into a
surf.

Another con for Office 365 is the possibility of being removed from
the service and having all your files deleted without notice. Section
I of the MS services agreement tells users “Don’t do anything
illegal.” This would mean that if you told a friend you smoked a
joint of marijuana, you violated the services agreement and can have
your account suspended. This is because while the substance is legal
in some states, it is still illegal on the federal level. Even if
someone were using marijuana to cure themselves of cancer, Microsoft
doesn’t care. The person was committing an illegal act and therefore
has violated the services agreement and deserves to be banned for
life. Another doozy is in section vii of the services agreement.
Microsoft tells users to “Don’t engage in activity that is harmful to
you, the Services, or others.” Microsoft gives obvious examples of
nasty and destructive behavior like transmitting viruses, stalking,
and posting terrorist content. Another example listed refers to
“communicating hate speech, or advocating violence against others.”
The second provision would be extremely troubling if you are a gun
owner and possess firearms for personal defense. Advocating for gun
rights, stand your ground laws, and laws that eliminate any duty to
retreat from an attacker could be considered by some as advocating
violence as the person would be using lethal force in defense of his
life. Using violence in self-defense is perfectly legal, but it is
still advocating violence, according to some on the left. The
technology industry has removed many thousands of people from
Web-based services, such as Google, Twitter, Facebook and YouTube over
issues of hate speech, which the companies never define or explicitly
describe. Recently, large numbers of Google Docs users found
themselves locked out of their account because an automated system
determined they had used the software to create unspecified material
that the company considered hate speech. Those blocked include
academic scientists and business owners who insisted nothing of a
controversial or political nature was stored on Google’s system. The
company later acknowledged that a staff programmer made a change to an
algorithm that created many hate speech false positives. If you were
to buy an Office 2016 DVD, your access to Access, Word and other
Office programs will never be denied for grounds of simply having a
political opinion, or someone’s arbitrary determination of hate speech
or engaging in illegal activity of a law you knew nothing about.

Kelly

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On 12/1/18, Richard B. McDonald <richardbmcdonald@...> wrote:
In the particular situation for MS Access, you would likely be best off
with
Office 365. And, I mean its web-based version not its desktop version.
That said, in general I have not found Access to be very accessible.
However, I recollect reading something recently about the Office 365
version
of Access being substantially more accessible than any desktop version;
including 2016 and 2019. You ought to Google this topic.



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 11:37 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: pros and cons of Office 365



Hello,

I'm using Windows10 and Jaws 2018. I was looking to switch to Office 365. I
need to start using Access. I'm looking for the most cost effective way to
get Access. I either go to Office 365 and pay the $70 per year for the
personal version. Or purchase a stand alone Access 2016 for $129. What are
the pros and cons of using office 365?

Cheers,

Kevin












Re: Thunderbird: is there a single hot Key to get to the nexe unread message?

 

Gerald,

          You are indeed correct.  A quick web search on "Thunderbird keyboard shortcuts" turns up the mozilla help page for same as the first result.  Here's a copy and paste of the pertinent section:

Moving between messages  
Go to Mail Start Page Alt + Home
Scroll Down Current Message, then Go to Next Unread Message Space
Go to Next Message F
Go to Previous Message B
Go to Next Unread Message N
Go to Previous Unread Message P
Go to Next Unread Thread (and mark current thread as read) T
Go to Next Viewed Message ]
Go to Previous Viewed Message [
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Re: Thunderbird: is there a single hot Key to get to the nexe unread message?

Gerald Levy
 


I just started using Thunderbird myself, but I think pressing "N" and "p" go to the next and previous unread message, respectively.


Gerald



On 12/1/2018 5:00 PM, Peter Tesar wrote:

Hello,


My Inbox sometimes has an unread message somewhere amongst the read ones.


The only way to find it is to go through the Go menu

   alt plus g

   arrow right to open the next sub menu

   arrow down to select the next unread message


Is there a single hot key combination to speed up the process?


Thanks,


Peter T.

Thunderbird: is there a single hot Key to get to the nexe unread message?

Peter Tesar
 

Hello,


My Inbox sometimes has an unread message somewhere amongst the read ones.


The only way to find it is to go through the Go menu

   alt plus g

   arrow right to open the next sub menu

   arrow down to select the next unread message


Is there a single hot key combination to speed up the process?


Thanks,


Peter T.

Re: pros and cons of Office 365

Richard B. McDonald
 

In the particular situation for MS Access, you would likely be best off with Office 365.  And, I mean its web-based version not its desktop version.  That said, in general I have not found Access to be very accessible.  However, I recollect reading something recently about the Office 365 version of Access being substantially more accessible than any desktop version; including 2016 and 2019.  You ought to Google this topic.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 11:37 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: pros and cons of Office 365

 

Hello,

I’m using Windows10 and Jaws 2018. I was looking to switch to Office 365. I need to start using Access. I’m looking for the most cost effective way to get Access. I either go to Office 365 and pay the $70 per year for the personal version. Or purchase a stand alone Access 2016 for $129. What are the pros and cons of using office 365?

Cheers,

Kevin

 

 

 

Re: Can I install jaws 18 without first uninstalling jaws 19?

george b
 

yes

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: December 1, 2018 11:11
To: main <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Can I install jaws 18 without first uninstalling jaws 19?

Hi,

In MS word using jaws 2019, I find that when performing a readall, the first line of every paragraph is read twiceThat seems like a pretty big bug and I will be emailing FS to tell them about it.

But I want to go back to jaws 2018 where this glitch doesn't occur. Do I have uninstall my current version in order to go back to an earlier version?

Thanks

--
Kimberly

Re: Jaws 2018 desktop computer window 10 How can I do screen shots on website with jaws?

O.Addison Gethers
 

Yeah that when I was asking all before where is print key ,if someone had mention to me on top row where function key  like f12  it should be next to it or above insert key  then I would understand that !! When my sister told me above insert key on top row !!

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2018 1:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 2018 desktop computer window 10 How can I do screen shots on website with jaws?

 

Ok, glad you got it sorted then.

I thought something was off when you said f1 to f15 or something like that – I don’t believe any keyboard contains any function keys aside from the standard twelve, so that means the other three keys would probably be “print screen”, “scroll lock” and “pause”, as on my keyboard. I always buy used keyboards for under $20 though and they’re usually pretty old.  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: December 1, 2018 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 2018 desktop computer window 10 How can I do screen shots on website with jaws?

 

Hi  JM  This is me again,my sister put bump dots on print key on my keyboard  the print key is located on top above insert key after f12 key op top row with functions key  like f1 thru f12 key !! So I can press window key and print key together to do screen shot !!

Addison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2018 9:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 2018 desktop computer window 10 How can I do screen shots on website with jaws?

 

Hi JM  and all  I know you and others have try to helps me ,finally I had asked my sighter sister this morning to showed me where is the print key on this keyboard she put my finger on it then I ask her is it f12 key she say no I was get ready to ask her to put bump dots on print key but she already left so I will ask her to put bump dots on print key and screen key for me when she come back home. Thank you  

Addison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 5:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 2018 desktop computer window 10 How can I do screen shots on website with jaws?

 

No, it’s a key given the name “print screen”. On my keyboard, it is just to the left of the scroll lock key. I am not sure that all keyboards have one, particularly laptop keyboards. But as has been said, if you’re not sure where it is, JAWS keyboard help should give you a hand.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: November 30, 2018 3:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 2018 desktop computer window 10 How can I do screen shots on website with jaws?

 

Hi Don  Correct me if I’m right or not ,when you or other say print key ,Is that mean letter P when I press shift key and letter p for screen shots ? Because I’m trying to figured out where is prints key on keyboard

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 11:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 2018 desktop computer window 10 How can I do screen shots on website with jaws?

 

Press shift+PrintScreen, that places it on your clip board. Then you can paste from your clip board in to an email or document.

 

From: O.Addison Gethers <o.addisongethers@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 7:35 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws 2018 desktop computer window 10 How can I do screen shots on website with jaws?

 

I have desktop computer with window 10 with jaws 2018 !! I need to make a screen shot on getway free infro  website to send it to support of getway free infro !! How can I do screen shot with jaws? When I’m on the website I press ctrl a for all then press ctrl c for copy  when I opened document to press ctrl v to paste  it’s doesn’t say the name of the email address that I have in edit box  at all with accounts information . Does anyone have any answer for me?

Addison

 

 

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Can I install jaws 18 without first uninstalling jaws 19?

Kimber Gardner
 

Hi,

In MS word using jaws 2019, I find that when performing a readall, the
first line of every paragraph is read twiceThat seems like a pretty
big bug and I will be emailing FS to tell them about it.

But I want to go back to jaws 2018 where this glitch doesn't occur. Do
I have uninstall my current version in order to go back to an earlier
version?

Thanks

--
Kimberly

Re: Jaws 2018 desktop computer window 10 How can I do screen shots on website with jaws?

JM Casey
 

Ok, glad you got it sorted then.

I thought something was off when you said f1 to f15 or something like that – I don’t believe any keyboard contains any function keys aside from the standard twelve, so that means the other three keys would probably be “print screen”, “scroll lock” and “pause”, as on my keyboard. I always buy used keyboards for under $20 though and they’re usually pretty old.  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: December 1, 2018 11:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 2018 desktop computer window 10 How can I do screen shots on website with jaws?

 

Hi  JM  This is me again,my sister put bump dots on print key on my keyboard  the print key is located on top above insert key after f12 key op top row with functions key  like f1 thru f12 key !! So I can press window key and print key together to do screen shot !!

Addison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2018 9:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 2018 desktop computer window 10 How can I do screen shots on website with jaws?

 

Hi JM  and all  I know you and others have try to helps me ,finally I had asked my sighter sister this morning to showed me where is the print key on this keyboard she put my finger on it then I ask her is it f12 key she say no I was get ready to ask her to put bump dots on print key but she already left so I will ask her to put bump dots on print key and screen key for me when she come back home. Thank you  

Addison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 5:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 2018 desktop computer window 10 How can I do screen shots on website with jaws?

 

No, it’s a key given the name “print screen”. On my keyboard, it is just to the left of the scroll lock key. I am not sure that all keyboards have one, particularly laptop keyboards. But as has been said, if you’re not sure where it is, JAWS keyboard help should give you a hand.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: November 30, 2018 3:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 2018 desktop computer window 10 How can I do screen shots on website with jaws?

 

Hi Don  Correct me if I’m right or not ,when you or other say print key ,Is that mean letter P when I press shift key and letter p for screen shots ? Because I’m trying to figured out where is prints key on keyboard

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 11:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 2018 desktop computer window 10 How can I do screen shots on website with jaws?

 

Press shift+PrintScreen, that places it on your clip board. Then you can paste from your clip board in to an email or document.

 

From: O.Addison Gethers <o.addisongethers@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 7:35 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws 2018 desktop computer window 10 How can I do screen shots on website with jaws?

 

I have desktop computer with window 10 with jaws 2018 !! I need to make a screen shot on getway free infro  website to send it to support of getway free infro !! How can I do screen shot with jaws? When I’m on the website I press ctrl a for all then press ctrl c for copy  when I opened document to press ctrl v to paste  it’s doesn’t say the name of the email address that I have in edit box  at all with accounts information . Does anyone have any answer for me?

Addison

 

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com

Re: Jaws 2018 desktop computer window 10 How can I do screen shots on website with jaws?

O.Addison Gethers
 

Hi  JM  This is me again,my sister put bump dots on print key on my keyboard  the print key is located on top above insert key after f12 key op top row with functions key  like f1 thru f12 key !! So I can press window key and print key together to do screen shot !!

Addison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2018 9:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 2018 desktop computer window 10 How can I do screen shots on website with jaws?

 

Hi JM  and all  I know you and others have try to helps me ,finally I had asked my sighter sister this morning to showed me where is the print key on this keyboard she put my finger on it then I ask her is it f12 key she say no I was get ready to ask her to put bump dots on print key but she already left so I will ask her to put bump dots on print key and screen key for me when she come back home. Thank you  

Addison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 5:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 2018 desktop computer window 10 How can I do screen shots on website with jaws?

 

No, it’s a key given the name “print screen”. On my keyboard, it is just to the left of the scroll lock key. I am not sure that all keyboards have one, particularly laptop keyboards. But as has been said, if you’re not sure where it is, JAWS keyboard help should give you a hand.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: November 30, 2018 3:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 2018 desktop computer window 10 How can I do screen shots on website with jaws?

 

Hi Don  Correct me if I’m right or not ,when you or other say print key ,Is that mean letter P when I press shift key and letter p for screen shots ? Because I’m trying to figured out where is prints key on keyboard

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 11:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 2018 desktop computer window 10 How can I do screen shots on website with jaws?

 

Press shift+PrintScreen, that places it on your clip board. Then you can paste from your clip board in to an email or document.

 

From: O.Addison Gethers <o.addisongethers@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 7:35 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws 2018 desktop computer window 10 How can I do screen shots on website with jaws?

 

I have desktop computer with window 10 with jaws 2018 !! I need to make a screen shot on getway free infro  website to send it to support of getway free infro !! How can I do screen shot with jaws? When I’m on the website I press ctrl a for all then press ctrl c for copy  when I opened document to press ctrl v to paste  it’s doesn’t say the name of the email address that I have in edit box  at all with accounts information . Does anyone have any answer for me?

Addison

 

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com

Re: Jaws 2018 desktop computer window 10 How can I do screen shots on website with jaws?

O.Addison Gethers
 

Hi JM  and all  I know you and others have try to helps me ,finally I had asked my sighter sister this morning to showed me where is the print key on this keyboard she put my finger on it then I ask her is it f12 key she say no I was get ready to ask her to put bump dots on print key but she already left so I will ask her to put bump dots on print key and screen key for me when she come back home. Thank you  

Addison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 5:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 2018 desktop computer window 10 How can I do screen shots on website with jaws?

 

No, it’s a key given the name “print screen”. On my keyboard, it is just to the left of the scroll lock key. I am not sure that all keyboards have one, particularly laptop keyboards. But as has been said, if you’re not sure where it is, JAWS keyboard help should give you a hand.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: November 30, 2018 3:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 2018 desktop computer window 10 How can I do screen shots on website with jaws?

 

Hi Don  Correct me if I’m right or not ,when you or other say print key ,Is that mean letter P when I press shift key and letter p for screen shots ? Because I’m trying to figured out where is prints key on keyboard

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 11:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 2018 desktop computer window 10 How can I do screen shots on website with jaws?

 

Press shift+PrintScreen, that places it on your clip board. Then you can paste from your clip board in to an email or document.

 

From: O.Addison Gethers <o.addisongethers@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 7:35 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws 2018 desktop computer window 10 How can I do screen shots on website with jaws?

 

I have desktop computer with window 10 with jaws 2018 !! I need to make a screen shot on getway free infro  website to send it to support of getway free infro !! How can I do screen shot with jaws? When I’m on the website I press ctrl a for all then press ctrl c for copy  when I opened document to press ctrl v to paste  it’s doesn’t say the name of the email address that I have in edit box  at all with accounts information . Does anyone have any answer for me?

Addison

 

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com

Re: I don't even know how to word this Jaws Question slides while video is playing in Windows Media

 

Sharon,

           As this is a paid course I would definitely contact the provider directly asking if they have, or can create, the slide content in accessible format.  That is not an unreasonable request.

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   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore