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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Rick, are you able to get more ram for your system? If so try it to see if that might also fix your problem. What harm can increasing the ram could do.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: May 3, 2019 4:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
I do not use double-talk… I use triple-talk lol lol lol From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 12:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... I did make a suggestion, but you never said if you tried it and given how set you are in your ways with Double Talk I assume you didn’t try it. From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Hey all, Past the synthesizer / jaws issues, any suggestions with the other points? Rick From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources. The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably. From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to. I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it. The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere. I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak. I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version. On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer. Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar: Accent synthesizer speech demo Regards, Sieghard -----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Yes. You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system. On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote: > Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk? > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of > Chris Hill > Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... > > Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer, > most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway. I suspect the issue > is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar > to tripple talk commands. Might be time to move to the more modern age. > > > > On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote: >> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple >> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system >> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides >> blame the > other... >> -----Original Message----- >> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of >> John Covici >> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM >> To: main@jfw.groups.io >> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... >> >> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other >> synthesizers or just the tripple talk? I have had some websites >> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work. >> >> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400, >> Rick Mladek wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the >>> sluggishness of >> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did >> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some >> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell. >>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws. >>> >>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time >>> when >> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to >> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and >> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed, >> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud. >>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut >>> down >> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off >> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of >> turning all back on in a special sequence. >>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB >>> external >> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I >> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning > simultaneously. >>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening? >>> This >> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues >> and my pc goes senile on me. >>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to >>> sleep. I >> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste >> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check. >>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue? >>> >>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed. >>> >>> Thanks to all, >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: >> How do >> you spend it? >> >> John Covici wb2una >> covici@... >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
I do not use double-talk… I use triple-talk lol lol lol
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 12:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... I did make a suggestion, but you never said if you tried it and given how set you are in your ways with Double Talk I assume you didn’t try it. From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Hey all, Past the synthesizer / jaws issues, any suggestions with the other points? Rick From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources. The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably. From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to. I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it. The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere. I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak. I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version. On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer. Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar: Accent synthesizer speech demo Regards, Sieghard -----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... Yes. You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system. On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote: > Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk? > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of > Chris Hill > Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... > > Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer, > most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway. I suspect the issue > is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar > to tripple talk commands. Might be time to move to the more modern age. > > > > On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote: >> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple >> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system >> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides >> blame the > other... >> -----Original Message----- >> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of >> John Covici >> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM >> To: main@jfw.groups.io >> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list... >> >> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other >> synthesizers or just the tripple talk? I have had some websites >> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work. >> >> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400, >> Rick Mladek wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the >>> sluggishness of >> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did >> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some >> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell. >>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws. >>> >>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time >>> when >> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to >> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and >> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed, >> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud. >>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut >>> down >> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off >> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of >> turning all back on in a special sequence. >>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB >>> external >> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I >> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning > simultaneously. >>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening? >>> This >> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues >> and my pc goes senile on me. >>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to >>> sleep. I >> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste >> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check. >>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue? >>> >>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed. >>> >>> Thanks to all, >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: >> How do >> you spend it? >> >> John Covici wb2una >> covici@... >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >
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Re: Graphics and pictures on a web site
The Alt attribute still shows up the text on screen. What I am
saying is that you could hide the text of the alt attribute from
sighted users with CSS and still expose it to screen readers.
Cheers!
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 5/3/2019 8:41 AM, Richard Turner
wrote:
Yes, CSS is great for setting up default fonts, margins, and more.
But, for alternative text on graphics, you can just use
ält="" and put the text between the quotes within the image
code.
HTH,
Richard
Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the
Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying. There is
an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack
lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and
miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and
Everything, p.59
The most common way people give up their power is by
thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker
Hi. You might even consider the use of CSS or Cascading
Style sheets. These are documents that will allow you to
determine the layout and look of your page, and you could
do amazing things with them: like hiding text from the
sighted viewer, yet exposing those texts to screen
readers. Many web pages take this approach when
implementing the "Skip to navigation" or "Skip to content"
links. This wold mean that while your web page is well
described for your blind visitors, all those info
considered unnecessary to the sighted would be hidden from
them. So they would see your images, while those images
would have descriptions tagged and read out to the low
vision or the blind without any apparent unnecessary
clutter. Contact me off list if you are interested to
take this approach. Cheers!
On 5/3/2019 6:52 AM, David
& his pack of dogs wrote:
Kevin, My business “The
Diamond Touch Dog Rehabilitation Centre” is training
problem dogs. My logo is a picture of my former
guide dog. On my website
thediamondtouchdog.ca I
have my grad picture with him in it and a brief text
for the screen reader users to describe the
picture. For me, nothing more annoying then when
the screen reader just reads out graphic or link.
The screen reader users have no idea what the
graphic is. I believe in 022 all websites in Canada
must by law be accessible for the blind. The text is
imbedded. So both groups, the sighted and screen
reader users are happy.
Kevin, It
kind of depends on whether the graphic is for
esthetics or to pretty up the page, or if it
is supposed to represent a button or link. A
very brief description of the pictural would
be nice in stead of just hearing, “Graphic.”
All buttons or links that are used to perform
a vital function on the page must be labeled.
Another
problem that I have noticed lately with
control elements on web pages are combo boxes
that do not say whatis in them when you hit
Enter to open them. I hear JAWS make the
sound when forms mode is open, but when I
press the down arrow, all I hear is krikets,
not even “Blank.” I found this recently on a
page where I needed to fill in my address.
The State is usually handled with a combo box
and you can enter the combo box and hit the
first letter of your state and hear those
states read, but this site did not work that
way.
I am using
Firefox, JAWS 18 on a Windows 7 machine. By
the way, I am only running with 3 gigs of ram
and have not experienced any of the hangs and
sluggishness that all of those on here with
the latest of everything seem to be
reporting. I don’t upgrade anything until it
just will not work anymore or MS stops
supporting.
Love in
Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and
blood, but against the rulers, against the
powers, against the world forces of this
darkness, against the spiritual forces of
wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so
that you will be able to resist in the evil
day, and having done everything, to stand
firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2019
9:18 AM
Subject: Graphics and pictures on a
web site
Hello, I’m
taking a web development class. The final
project is to create a detailed web site. AS a
blind user I want to make this site as user
friendly to screen readers. I have some
scenarios below. Please provide me with
feedback on what works for you.
Link has a
graphic and there is no text. Would you prefer
just the link, text and graphic? Or it doesn’t
say there is a graphic and does say link and
then text telling you the use of the link.
There is a
picture used for decorative purposes. The
screen reader recognizes the picture and says
graphic. Sometimes there will be text and
other times no text. Would you prefer the
screen reader saying graphic and then the text
explaining the picture? Or just the graphic?
Or nothing at all?
When the
graphics do have text do you like it to be
very detailed? Or is it okay to just say
something like “more information”? I say “more
information as I have seen this many times.
Those that
use something to in large the text, what
colors work best for you when viewing a web
site?
If you
have any other comments about problems you
encounter on a web site let me know.
Cheers,
Kevin
Meyers
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Hi, this is to the originater of the subjectline, have you been able to install more ram in your system first of all, next If you can, why not change synthesizers just to see if some of your problems go away. These are just a few suggestions, I hope that they are helpful to you?
-----Original Message-----
From: Curtis Delzer
Sent: May 3, 2019 12:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
One thing, the best IOS voice is Alex who can really talk fast
even if a human sounding synthesizer. Too bad there isn't a
windows version of IOS Alex.
Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA
On 5/2/2019 7:08 AM, Chris Hill wrote:
Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to. I
didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad
I'm used to it. The thing that really helps is that I run it on
my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere. I grew up on
the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak. I never cared for
eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it
sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.
On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel
wrote:
I can definitely see how people who
are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at
fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human
sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using
Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices
just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's
like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a
bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of
voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is
simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices,
you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to
listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should
mention that I started using computers during a time when it
was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or
DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the
"Accent" synthesizer.
Below is a demo I found of Accent, I
hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded
familiar:
Accent synthesizer speech demo
Regards,
Sieghard
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io
<main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Yes. You can get used to a different
synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom
voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.
On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:
> Move to the modern age? Ditch the
Triple talk?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io]
On Behalf Of
> Chris Hill
> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04
AM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems
from my list...
>
> Modern systems aren't going to be
strained by a speech synthesizer,
> most cpu's are idling a lot of
the time anyway. I suspect the issue
> is that some webpages are putting
out text strings that look similar
> to tripple talk commands. Might
be time to move to the more modern age.
>
>
>
> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek
wrote:
>> I am shy of software
synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple
>> talk, being a peripheral, so
to speak, is less strain on the system
>> in regards to resources. This
is a triple talk issue and both sides
>> blame the
> other...
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io]
On Behalf Of
>> John Covici
>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019
7:28 AM
>> To: main@jfw.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: more Jaws
problems from my list...
>>
>> Does this speaking these
strange characters happen with other
>> synthesizers or just the
tripple talk? I have had some websites
>> where the tripple talk does
not work, but other synths do work.
>>
>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41
-0400,
>> Rick Mladek wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> To begin, I thank you all
for helping Zel and me with the
>>> sluggishness of
>> Jaws due to not disabling the
graphics accelerator option. This did
>> show a great amount of
improvement but I still notice some
>> sluggishness, but not as bad,
in MS Xcell.
>>> Now, let?s work on a
couple more issues I have with Jaws.
>>>
>>> First, I could be going
down through a website one line at a time
>>> when
>> Jaws begins to read some sort
of java script. It just continues to
>> read so many characters of
all kinds. Including letters, numbers and
>> symbols as punctuation marks
etc. It is reading at a very high speed,
>> as well and it is difficult
to hear all characters read aloud.
>>> There is no way to stop
this and I either have to do a hard shut
>>> down
>> since the pc now becomes
frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off
>> my external synthesizer and
jaws and then go through a process of
>> turning all back on in a
special sequence.
>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws
2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB
>>> external
>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB
of ram and has plenty of amount when I
>> put a test on the system with
many programs open and functioning
> simultaneously.
>>> Is there a setting or a
hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?
>>> This
>> is very difficult when I am
going over code received from colleagues
>> and my pc goes senile on me.
>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do
a spell check, Jaws practically goes to
>>> sleep. I
>> hit escape or tab over to the
original outlook message and copy paste
>> into a Microsoft Word
document to do the spell/grammar check.
>>> Any thoughts on this
baffling issue?
>>>
>>> I hope to hear of all
your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.
>>>
>>> Thanks to all,
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Your life is like a penny.
You're going to lose it. The question is:
>> How do
>> you spend it?
>>
>> John Covici wb2una
>> covici@...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
One thing, the best IOS voice is Alex who can really talk fast
even if a human sounding synthesizer. Too bad there isn't a
windows version of IOS Alex.
Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA
On 5/2/2019 7:08 AM, Chris Hill wrote:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to. I
didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad
I'm used to it. The thing that really helps is that I run it on
my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere. I grew up on
the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak. I never cared for
eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it
sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.
On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel
wrote:
I can definitely see how people who
are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at
fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human
sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using
Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices
just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's
like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a
bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of
voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is
simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices,
you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to
listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should
mention that I started using computers during a time when it
was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or
DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the
"Accent" synthesizer.
Below is a demo I found of Accent, I
hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded
familiar:
Accent synthesizer speech demo
Regards,
Sieghard
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io
<main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Yes. You can get used to a different
synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom
voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.
On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:
> Move to the modern age? Ditch the
Triple talk?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io]
On Behalf Of
> Chris Hill
> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04
AM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems
from my list...
>
> Modern systems aren't going to be
strained by a speech synthesizer,
> most cpu's are idling a lot of
the time anyway. I suspect the issue
> is that some webpages are putting
out text strings that look similar
> to tripple talk commands. Might
be time to move to the more modern age.
>
>
>
> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek
wrote:
>> I am shy of software
synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple
>> talk, being a peripheral, so
to speak, is less strain on the system
>> in regards to resources. This
is a triple talk issue and both sides
>> blame the
> other...
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io]
On Behalf Of
>> John Covici
>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019
7:28 AM
>> To: main@jfw.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: more Jaws
problems from my list...
>>
>> Does this speaking these
strange characters happen with other
>> synthesizers or just the
tripple talk? I have had some websites
>> where the tripple talk does
not work, but other synths do work.
>>
>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41
-0400,
>> Rick Mladek wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> To begin, I thank you all
for helping Zel and me with the
>>> sluggishness of
>> Jaws due to not disabling the
graphics accelerator option. This did
>> show a great amount of
improvement but I still notice some
>> sluggishness, but not as bad,
in MS Xcell.
>>> Now, let?s work on a
couple more issues I have with Jaws.
>>>
>>> First, I could be going
down through a website one line at a time
>>> when
>> Jaws begins to read some sort
of java script. It just continues to
>> read so many characters of
all kinds. Including letters, numbers and
>> symbols as punctuation marks
etc. It is reading at a very high speed,
>> as well and it is difficult
to hear all characters read aloud.
>>> There is no way to stop
this and I either have to do a hard shut
>>> down
>> since the pc now becomes
frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off
>> my external synthesizer and
jaws and then go through a process of
>> turning all back on in a
special sequence.
>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws
2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB
>>> external
>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB
of ram and has plenty of amount when I
>> put a test on the system with
many programs open and functioning
> simultaneously.
>>> Is there a setting or a
hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?
>>> This
>> is very difficult when I am
going over code received from colleagues
>> and my pc goes senile on me.
>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do
a spell check, Jaws practically goes to
>>> sleep. I
>> hit escape or tab over to the
original outlook message and copy paste
>> into a Microsoft Word
document to do the spell/grammar check.
>>> Any thoughts on this
baffling issue?
>>>
>>> I hope to hear of all
your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.
>>>
>>> Thanks to all,
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Your life is like a penny.
You're going to lose it. The question is:
>> How do
>> you spend it?
>>
>> John Covici wb2una
>> covici@...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New
Depends. A SATA 3 HDD is very slow
compared to RAM at 50MBs. a SATA 3 SSD is slow compared to RAM at
500MBS. But 10 times faster than a HDD. A NVME SSD is still slow
compared to Ram at 2.5GBs. but 50 times faster than a HDD and 5
times faster than a SATA SSD.
AS for RAM: DDR 1 average of 2.6GBs DDR
2 average of 5.3GBs DDR 3 average of 11.5GBs and DDR 4 average of
20.2GBs. So as you can see only the DDR 1 compares to a NVME SSD
and you wont find that or DDR 2 on a NVME capable motherboard. So
Ram is still way faster than any other mainstream storage at this
time.
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On 5/2/2019 5:44 PM, Rick Mladek wrote:
What if one has
a SSD?
Remember the more ram installed, the less access to disk
drive is needed.
Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA
On 5/1/2019 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel
wrote:
I think it
is quite logical to assume that a system with only 4 Gb of
RAM (just to use an example of what I consider a “lower”
amount of RAM) may be less stabil especially if you have
many applications and browser tabs open.
I'm
beginning to wonder if installed RAM might be an issue
in many of these crash problems with Windows 10. It
seems like that many times when this happens , and from
the complaints filed reporting their total GB of
installed RAM, the lower amount of total RAM installed,
the more frequently the crashes. Just an observation.
Yours and anyone elses thoughts?
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure
is trying to please everybody.
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Tuesday, April 30, 2019 8:02 PM
Subject:
Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's
New
I use
Outlook and Excel all the time, often have several Google
Chrome tabs/windows open plus usually
Sage 50 accounting and my point of sale software and I
often go weeks without a Jaws crash. I am not saying I
have some issues with Windows 10, I do and they are mostly
related to the fact that I can’t read some stuff with the
Jaws cursor which I used to be able to read under Windows
7, but strictly from a stability perspective Windows 10 is
amazing and while my 2014 version of Sage 50 does
sometimes go down the drain, Jaws, Excel and Outlook
crashes are extremely rare.
I guess
everybody’s system is different, I do have a high-end
laptop at home, but at work all 4 PC’s we use there are
mini PC’s, two of them Intel NUC with an I3 and an I5
processor, the other two are HP EliteDesk 800 mini PC’s,
one has an I5 and one has an I7 processor. All of them
except for the I3 system run very well, the I3 system
which has 12 Gb of RAM is a bit sluggish even though it
does have an Intel SSD, I certainly would never buy an I3
again..
Regards,
Sieghard
Yes, most
of the time, while browsing the folders to attach the file
on the outlook, the jaws does not respond quickly.
Yes, I use
Office 365. JAWS seems to get fussy most often when I
switch between apps or require a sudden response such as
when a new e-mail or web page opens.
Dan
I dont seem to have very many issues
with that in windows 7 or 10. It may depend on the apps
you run.
Do you use MS office alot? Outlook, MS mail or Access?
On 4/30/2019 11:19 AM, Dan Longmore wrote:
Yes and
now if they could just make the program more stable and
less crash prone.
Dan
Some really useful additions this
time 'round.
On 4/30/2019 10:17 AM, Mike B wrote:
Below is the
direct download link for todays release of build
J2019.1904.60 and what's new in this release.
Enhancements in JAWS 2019.1904.60 (April 2019)
The following is a list of improvements made in JAWS
2019 between the March 2019 update and the April
2019 update.
To download
the latest release, visit the
Downloads web page.
You must be logged on as an administrator to install
this software.
Improved
Heading Navigation When Using the Numbers Row
For years,
users have been able to use 1 through 6 on the
numbers row to move to specific heading levels on
web pages. For instance, 1 for level 1 headings,
2 for level 2 headings, 3 for level 3 headings, and
so on. However, this type of navigation only allowed
you to move to headings equal or lower than the
level you were trying to move by. For example, if
you attempted to move to a level 3 heading, but the
very next heading was a level 2, JAWS would
announce:
"No more headings at level 3 in this section," and
would not move past the level 2 heading.
Beginning
with the April 2019 update, you can now move to any
given heading level on a page and if it is under a
different higher precedence heading, the
immediately higher precedence heading will be read
so you know that the new heading belongs to a
different section. For example, if you attempt to
move
to a level 3 heading which causes you to jump past a
level 2 heading, JAWS will announce the level 2
heading prior to announcing the level 3 heading so
you know you have moved into a new section. You can
also choose to have JAWS play a sound to indicate
when you move into a new section or you can switch
back to the prior behavior which restricted heading
navigation to the current section.
To configure
how JAWS navigates headings when using the numbers 1
through 6, open Settings Center (INSERT+6 on the
numbers row), type "heading" into the
Search edit box, select the "Heading Navigation
Using 1-6" option, and then use the SPACEBAR to
choose the setting you want. Alternatively, open
Quick
Settings (INSERT+V) from your browser and configure
the "Heading Navigation" setting.
Support for
MathType Content When Reading in Office 365 Word
Documents
You can now
use JAWS or Fusion to read and study math problems
in Word documents created using the MathType
software from Design Science. To use this feature,
you must do the following:
• Make sure
you are running the April 2019 release of JAWS or
Fusion along with Microsoft Word from Office 365.
• Install MathType from
Wiris.com
and activate the software as a trial or actual
license.
• In Settings Center, make sure the "Use
Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture" check box
is selected.
When you
encounter a math equation or formula in a document,
JAWS reads the problem and then says "Math Content."
You can then press INSERT+SPACEBAR followed
by EQUALS to open the JAWS Math Viewer so you can
study the equation in greater detail.
Once the Math
Viewer is opened, you can navigate individual parts
of an equation like variables, terms, coefficients,
exponents, etc. As you navigate to
the various components, pressing DOWN ARROW will let
you drill down into and navigate within that level
of the equation using LEFT and RIGHT ARROW. Pressing
UP ARROW will move you back to the prior level. In
addition, if you have a Braille display and JAWS is
set to United States English or Unified English
Braille Grade 1 or Grade 2, the math equation or
formula will be displayed in Nemeth Braille.
Pressing ESC will close the Math Viewer and return
to the
document.
See our
MathType Sample Demonstration document
for examples of how JAWS and Fusion can enable
students to access math content.
Visit the
Design Science
website for more details about MathType.
Easy Access
to Answer or Disconnect From a Skype Call Using the
Desktop Application Version 8.42 or Higher
In Skype for
Desktop 8.42 and later, JAWS or Fusion now provides
keystrokes for answering or disconnecting a call
from any application as well as moving
focus into the Skype main window. Note that these
keystrokes are only available in the Skype for
Desktop application. They will not work in the Skype
for
Windows 10 universal app from the Microsoft store or
the Skype for Business app.
To answer an
incoming call, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, y followed by
UP ARROW. To disconnect from a call, press
INSERT+SPACEBAR, y followed by DOWN ARROW.
To move focus directly into the Skype window, press
INSERT+SPACEBAR, Y followed by S.
Other Changes
• When performing the monthly updates of JAWS,
ZoomText, and Fusion, the shortcut keystroke on the
Desktop Icon used to launch the application, will no
longer be removed during the update process.
• JAWS now offers localizations for Swedish and
Italian when performing a full install.
• In the Amazon Kindle app, JAWS and Fusion now
supports reading and navigating inside tables.
• Resolved an issue where you could not use the
keyboard to interact with the controls in the
Display Options dialog box in the Amazon Kindle app.
• If Track Changes is turned on in a Word document,
you can now use INSERT+SHIFT+R to list revisions in
footnotes, endnotes, and comments in addition to
the main document. Note that this command only lists
revisions in the currently active pane. For example,
pressing INSERT+SHIFT+R from the Document pane
will list revisions in the main document while
pressing this keystroke from within a footnote will
only list revisions found in footnotes.
• If a word document contained more than 150
revisions, resolved an issue where the number of
revisions was not being reported correctly when
using INSERT+SHIFT+R.
• The "Document and Web Pages Automatically Read
When Loaded" option in Settings Center is now
enabled by default in PowerPoint. When you start a
presentation
and move to the next or previous slide, JAWS
automatically begins reading the current slide.
• In Excel, JAWS and Fusion now indicates in both
speech and Braille if a cell contains a data type.
• Resolved an issue where pressing INSERT+E was not
announcing the default button in a Chrome dialog
box.
• Addressed a reported issue where the aria-required
attribute was not being indicated as expected in
Internet Explorer while navigating with the Virtual
Cursor.
• Addressed reported issues where JAWS and Fusion
was not consistently reading elements that use the
aria-describedby" or title attributes while tabbing
through a page.
• If you are inside a table in a Google Docs
document and you press INSERT+SPACEBAR, Q to
activate the Quick Nav mode, you can now use the
ARROW keys to
move to each cell. You can also use CTRL+UP/DOWN
ARROW to move to the top or bottom of the current
column, CTRL+LEFT/RIGHT ARROW to move to the
beginning
or end of the current row, and CTRL+HOME/END to move
to the beginning or end of the table.
• For users of the Focus Blue Braille Display, you
can now press a Selector button along with the Left
or Right NAV Mode button to toggle speech on or
off for the corresponding NAV Rocker. When enabled,
JAWS will speak as you scroll by line, sentence, or
paragraph. This setting is off by default for both
NAV Rockers.
• Added additional information to installer error
messages such as when you include an invalid
language code when using the /language command line
argument.
• You can now press INSERT+F8 in the Skype for
Desktop application to display a list of JAWS
keystrokes specific to Skype. You can then select
the action
you want to perform and press ENTER.
• The "Prompt to Confirm when Exiting JAWS" option
has been added to the Run JAWS Settings page of the
Startup Wizard.
• When using Braille in a WPF (Windows Presentation
Foundation) app, JAWS now includes the name and type
of the current window on the braille display to
make it easier for Braille users to know when a new
window opens.
• In Microsoft Teams, addressed issues with reading
chat messages as well as removed extra speech that
was heard when attempting to join a meeting.
• Added necessary changes to JAWS to support Gaaiho
Doc, Nuance Power PDF, and Nuance Power PDF once
these products are released by Nuance.
• Improved how JAWS reads incoming text when
connected to remote sites using SecureCRT or other
SSH software such as Windows TelNet.
• Added support for the latest Remote Desktop
Terminal Services client from Microsoft.
• Due to issues with the Weather Research It lookup
source, it will no longer appear in the Research It
dialog box (INSERT+SPACEBAR, R) by default until
a solution is found. In addition, the Amazon Product
Search lookup source has also been removed due to
ongoing issues which we are continuing to
investigate.
Take care.
Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to
failure is trying to please everybody.
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
I did make a suggestion, but you never said if you tried it and given how set you are in your ways with Double Talk I assume you didn’t try it.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Hey all,
Past the synthesizer / jaws issues, any suggestions with the other points?
Rick
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io]
On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources.
The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to. I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it. The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.
I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak. I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.
On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence
for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I
think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time
when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.
Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:
Accent synthesizer speech demo
Regards,
Sieghard
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io
<main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Yes. You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.
On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:
> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Chris Hill
> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM
> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
>
> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,
> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway. I suspect the issue
> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar
> to tripple talk commands. Might be time to move to the more modern age.
>
>
>
> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:
>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple
>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system
>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides
>> blame the
> other...
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:
main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> John Covici
>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM
>> To:
main@jfw.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
>>
>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other
>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk? I have had some websites
>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.
>>
>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,
>> Rick Mladek wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the
>>> sluggishness of
>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did
>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some
>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.
>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.
>>>
>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time
>>> when
>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to
>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and
>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,
>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.
>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut
>>> down
>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off
>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of
>> turning all back on in a special sequence.
>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB
>>> external
>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I
>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning
> simultaneously.
>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?
>>> This
>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues
>> and my pc goes senile on me.
>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to
>>> sleep. I
>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste
>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.
>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?
>>>
>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.
>>>
>>> Thanks to all,
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
>> How do
>> you spend it?
>>
>> John Covici wb2una
>>
covici@...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
I still think Accent sounds better than Double Talk, but we all know how subjective we are when it comes to synthesizers. It’s like how some people prefer to read audio books and I mean novels like best sellers and such with a TTS rather
than listening to a human reader, I’ll never understand that given how much a good reader can bring to a book.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
God, I remember that Accent thing. never owned one but it was one a couple of the library computers I used to use.
My first synth was an Echo for the Apple II. Funny little guy sounded like he was singing and would sometimes make strange noises as programmes had a tendency to overwrite the textalker software in memory. I recently got an emulator for
the Apple II E and it can also perfectly emulate the chips inside the Echo. Was such an odd thing hearing that voice again after so long.
I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20
years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence
to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was
all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.
Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:
Accent synthesizer speech demo
Regards,
Sieghard
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Yes. You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.
On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:
> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io]
On Behalf Of
> Chris Hill
> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
>
> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,
> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway. I suspect the issue
> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar
> to tripple talk commands. Might be time to move to the more modern age.
>
>
>
> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:
>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple
>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system
>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides
>> blame the
> other...
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io]
On Behalf Of
>> John Covici
>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM
>> To: main@jfw.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
>>
>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other
>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk? I have had some websites
>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.
>>
>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,
>> Rick Mladek wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the
>>> sluggishness of
>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did
>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some
>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.
>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.
>>>
>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time
>>> when
>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to
>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and
>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,
>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.
>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut
>>> down
>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off
>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of
>> turning all back on in a special sequence.
>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB
>>> external
>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I
>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning
> simultaneously.
>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?
>>> This
>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues
>> and my pc goes senile on me.
>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to
>>> sleep. I
>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste
>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.
>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?
>>>
>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.
>>>
>>> Thanks to all,
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
>> How do
>> you spend it?
>>
>> John Covici wb2una
>> covici@...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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You can Google it and find samples, it sounds horrible, but as Rick said, to each their own and I won't argue with somebody's opinion even if I feel it's an outdated one.
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Cool! Thanks for the explanation. I'd love to hear Tripple Talk in action one day.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, 2 May 2019 10:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Triple talk is a peripheral that works much better than elequence, as I've learned through the years. Software syns are a true strain on a computers available resources causing many crashes and slow/sluggish operation of any program/application used. I don't wish to argue this but my experience for the past 20+ years with computers, electronic/medical device codes etc. the Triple-Talk syn has been my choice due to it's stability I have experienced/witnessed. That and no need for all these extra speakers lol... Yes, the Triple-Talk is a speaker but my enormous sound system set up with/in my office computer network if for television and music... having elequence also through this system would cause me issues without a doubt...
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 10:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...
Forgive my ignorance Rick, but why do you use an external Synthesiser when you've got Jaws which comes with internal synths like Eloquence?
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, 2 May 2019 6:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: more Jaws problems from my list...
Hi All,
To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the sluggishness of Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.
Now, let’s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.
First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time when Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed, as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.
There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut down since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of turning all back on in a special sequence.
I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB external synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning simultaneously.
Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening? This is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues and my pc goes senile on me.
Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to sleep. I hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.
Any thoughts on this baffling issue?
I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.
Thanks to all,
Rick
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c cleaner 5.56 accessibility
Marvin Hunkin <startrekvoyager@...>
Hi, using the latest version of c cleaner, 5.56. not very accessible with jaws and go to the tools section, it just says when go to start up, just says 1 of how ever apps. Does not read the apps list. So do I contact Vispero and see if they can fix accessibility with c cleaner or contact the developers. Any one got the latest c cleaner. Thanks.
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Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New Remember the more ram installed, the less access to disk drive is needed. Curtis Delzer HS W B 6 H E F Rialto, CA On 5/1/2019 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: I think it is quite logical to assume that a system with only 4 Gb of RAM (just to use an example of what I consider a “lower” amount of RAM) may be less stabil especially if you have many applications and browser tabs open. I'm beginning to wonder if installed RAM might be an issue in many of these crash problems with Windows 10. It seems like that many times when this happens , and from the complaints filed reporting their total GB of installed RAM, the lower amount of total RAM installed, the more frequently the crashes. Just an observation. Yours and anyone elses thoughts?
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 8:02 PM Subject: Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New I use Outlook and Excel all the time, often have several Google Chrome tabs/windows open plus usually
Sage 50 accounting and my point of sale software and I often go weeks without a Jaws crash. I am not saying I have some issues with Windows 10, I do and they are mostly related to the fact that I can’t read some stuff with the Jaws cursor which I used to be able to read under Windows 7, but strictly from a stability perspective Windows 10 is amazing and while my 2014 version of Sage 50 does sometimes go down the drain, Jaws, Excel and Outlook crashes are extremely rare. I guess everybody’s system is different, I do have a high-end laptop at home, but at work all 4 PC’s we use there are mini PC’s, two of them Intel NUC with an I3 and an I5 processor, the other two are HP EliteDesk 800 mini PC’s, one has an I5 and one has an I7 processor. All of them except for the I3 system run very well, the I3 system which has 12 Gb of RAM is a bit sluggish even though it does have an Intel SSD, I certainly would never buy an I3 again.. Regards, Sieghard Yes, most of the time, while browsing the folders to attach the file on the outlook, the jaws does not respond quickly. Yes, I use Office 365. JAWS seems to get fussy most often when I switch between apps or require a sudden response such as when a new e-mail or web page opens. Dan I dont seem to have very many issues with that in windows 7 or 10. It may depend on the apps you run.
Do you use MS office alot? Outlook, MS mail or Access?
On 4/30/2019 11:19 AM, Dan Longmore wrote: Yes and now if they could just make the program more stable and less crash prone. Dan Some really useful additions this time 'round.
On 4/30/2019 10:17 AM, Mike B wrote: Below is the direct download link for todays release of build J2019.1904.60 and what's new in this release.
Enhancements in JAWS 2019.1904.60 (April 2019)
The following is a list of improvements made in JAWS 2019 between the March 2019 update and the April 2019 update.
To download the latest release, visit the
Downloads web page.
You must be logged on as an administrator to install this software. Improved Heading Navigation When Using the Numbers Row For years, users have been able to use 1 through 6 on the numbers row to move to specific heading levels on web pages. For instance, 1 for level 1 headings,
2 for level 2 headings, 3 for level 3 headings, and so on. However, this type of navigation only allowed you to move to headings equal or lower than the
level you were trying to move by. For example, if you attempted to move to a level 3 heading, but the very next heading was a level 2, JAWS would announce:
"No more headings at level 3 in this section," and would not move past the level 2 heading. Beginning with the April 2019 update, you can now move to any given heading level on a page and if it is under a different higher precedence heading, the
immediately higher precedence heading will be read so you know that the new heading belongs to a different section. For example, if you attempt to move
to a level 3 heading which causes you to jump past a level 2 heading, JAWS will announce the level 2 heading prior to announcing the level 3 heading so
you know you have moved into a new section. You can also choose to have JAWS play a sound to indicate when you move into a new section or you can switch
back to the prior behavior which restricted heading navigation to the current section. To configure how JAWS navigates headings when using the numbers 1 through 6, open Settings Center (INSERT+6 on the numbers row), type "heading" into the
Search edit box, select the "Heading Navigation Using 1-6" option, and then use the SPACEBAR to choose the setting you want. Alternatively, open Quick
Settings (INSERT+V) from your browser and configure the "Heading Navigation" setting. Support for MathType Content When Reading in Office 365 Word Documents You can now use JAWS or Fusion to read and study math problems in Word documents created using the MathType software from Design Science. To use this feature,
you must do the following: • Make sure you are running the April 2019 release of JAWS or Fusion along with Microsoft Word from Office 365.
• Install MathType from
Wiris.com
and activate the software as a trial or actual license.
• In Settings Center, make sure the "Use Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture" check box is selected. When you encounter a math equation or formula in a document, JAWS reads the problem and then says "Math Content." You can then press INSERT+SPACEBAR followed
by EQUALS to open the JAWS Math Viewer so you can study the equation in greater detail. Once the Math Viewer is opened, you can navigate individual parts of an equation like variables, terms, coefficients, exponents, etc. As you navigate to
the various components, pressing DOWN ARROW will let you drill down into and navigate within that level of the equation using LEFT and RIGHT ARROW. Pressing
UP ARROW will move you back to the prior level. In addition, if you have a Braille display and JAWS is set to United States English or Unified English
Braille Grade 1 or Grade 2, the math equation or formula will be displayed in Nemeth Braille. Pressing ESC will close the Math Viewer and return to the
document. See our
MathType Sample Demonstration document
for examples of how JAWS and Fusion can enable students to access math content. Visit the
Design Science
website for more details about MathType. Easy Access to Answer or Disconnect From a Skype Call Using the Desktop Application Version 8.42 or Higher In Skype for Desktop 8.42 and later, JAWS or Fusion now provides keystrokes for answering or disconnecting a call from any application as well as moving
focus into the Skype main window. Note that these keystrokes are only available in the Skype for Desktop application. They will not work in the Skype for
Windows 10 universal app from the Microsoft store or the Skype for Business app. To answer an incoming call, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, y followed by UP ARROW. To disconnect from a call, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, y followed by DOWN ARROW.
To move focus directly into the Skype window, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, Y followed by S. Other Changes
• When performing the monthly updates of JAWS, ZoomText, and Fusion, the shortcut keystroke on the Desktop Icon used to launch the application, will no
longer be removed during the update process.
• JAWS now offers localizations for Swedish and Italian when performing a full install.
• In the Amazon Kindle app, JAWS and Fusion now supports reading and navigating inside tables.
• Resolved an issue where you could not use the keyboard to interact with the controls in the Display Options dialog box in the Amazon Kindle app.
• If Track Changes is turned on in a Word document, you can now use INSERT+SHIFT+R to list revisions in footnotes, endnotes, and comments in addition to
the main document. Note that this command only lists revisions in the currently active pane. For example, pressing INSERT+SHIFT+R from the Document pane
will list revisions in the main document while pressing this keystroke from within a footnote will only list revisions found in footnotes.
• If a word document contained more than 150 revisions, resolved an issue where the number of revisions was not being reported correctly when using INSERT+SHIFT+R.
• The "Document and Web Pages Automatically Read When Loaded" option in Settings Center is now enabled by default in PowerPoint. When you start a presentation
and move to the next or previous slide, JAWS automatically begins reading the current slide.
• In Excel, JAWS and Fusion now indicates in both speech and Braille if a cell contains a data type.
• Resolved an issue where pressing INSERT+E was not announcing the default button in a Chrome dialog box.
• Addressed a reported issue where the aria-required attribute was not being indicated as expected in Internet Explorer while navigating with the Virtual
Cursor.
• Addressed reported issues where JAWS and Fusion was not consistently reading elements that use the aria-describedby" or title attributes while tabbing
through a page.
• If you are inside a table in a Google Docs document and you press INSERT+SPACEBAR, Q to activate the Quick Nav mode, you can now use the ARROW keys to
move to each cell. You can also use CTRL+UP/DOWN ARROW to move to the top or bottom of the current column, CTRL+LEFT/RIGHT ARROW to move to the beginning
or end of the current row, and CTRL+HOME/END to move to the beginning or end of the table.
• For users of the Focus Blue Braille Display, you can now press a Selector button along with the Left or Right NAV Mode button to toggle speech on or
off for the corresponding NAV Rocker. When enabled, JAWS will speak as you scroll by line, sentence, or paragraph. This setting is off by default for both
NAV Rockers.
• Added additional information to installer error messages such as when you include an invalid language code when using the /language command line argument.
• You can now press INSERT+F8 in the Skype for Desktop application to display a list of JAWS keystrokes specific to Skype. You can then select the action
you want to perform and press ENTER.
• The "Prompt to Confirm when Exiting JAWS" option has been added to the Run JAWS Settings page of the Startup Wizard.
• When using Braille in a WPF (Windows Presentation Foundation) app, JAWS now includes the name and type of the current window on the braille display to
make it easier for Braille users to know when a new window opens.
• In Microsoft Teams, addressed issues with reading chat messages as well as removed extra speech that was heard when attempting to join a meeting.
• Added necessary changes to JAWS to support Gaaiho Doc, Nuance Power PDF, and Nuance Power PDF once these products are released by Nuance.
• Improved how JAWS reads incoming text when connected to remote sites using SecureCRT or other SSH software such as Windows TelNet.
• Added support for the latest Remote Desktop Terminal Services client from Microsoft.
• Due to issues with the Weather Research It lookup source, it will no longer appear in the Research It dialog box (INSERT+SPACEBAR, R) by default until
a solution is found. In addition, the Amazon Product Search lookup source has also been removed due to ongoing issues which we are continuing to investigate. Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
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I have played an ElBraille before and the unit itself is very sturdy. In my opinion the ElBraille is a talking Focus Braille display from Freedom Scientific. The unit come's with both 14 and 40 cells. There are things that I need to tell you about this unit. The unit itself can get very hot. If you are sensitive to hot like me i suggest not getting it. The good news about ElBraille is that You can Purchase an ElBraille in conjunction with a copy of Jaws for windows that you can activate for 2 PCs. I know for 14 cells ElBraille you can detach the docking station which is the brain of ElBraille and use it as a 14 Cells Braille Display. Conclusion: this unit is for those people who want a braille display and Jaws on a single packaged Windows10 device. if you are in a need for a braille display and a and a Windows 10 computer plus jaws license you can go ahead and get this unit. Michael Munn Member: Virginia Association of Blind students Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind
On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 8:03 PM Tyler Wood < tcwood12@...> wrote: Hello, I do enjoy using mine. It is no speed demon, but it also gets well over 12 hours of batterylife, can handle a sim card for mobile internet connectivity, and is very stable. TLDR: It is a solid workhorse that will get you through a work/schoolday no matter what you do with plenty of battery to spare in a small footprint that runs the Windows programs you know and love. Now for some negatives. Charging time can take quite a while with the included adapter. It doesn’t actually have a standby feature – but boot times are reasonably quick with the EMMC solid state storage. (Maybe others have this feature and mine is a fluke). My first recommendation, especially if you’re going to be around a huge crowd of people, is disable the silly vibration and beeping you get when powering on. Or at least turn them to low. Yes, they will probably release a new version. Yes, it will probably be much more expensive as those processors, while higher powered, are also significantly more expensive to purchase and yes, you can probably upgrade the current one (at a lesser fee). And you will get worse batterylife as they will consume more power. I really enjoy the keyboard. The space bars placement can take a little time to get used to under the braille display, but it isn’t terrible. All the keys are nicely placed and everything is in reach using a finger. It’s an amazing feeling to have a braille display and computer hanging by a strap from your neck, typing on it in the grocery store. Yes, sure, you can use a separate braille display and phone or laptop, but this is seamless. They’re both together. And that brings me to my last thing. Separating the two of them is a breeze. Actually getting the machine you might think something is broken, but there’s a little magnetically attached lid that, when popped off, hangs by a rubber band of sorts. Underneath this is a tiny micro USB connector that connects the braille display to the elbraille itself and charges the display, if it needs it. You can switch from Bluetooth to USB mode while retaining the connection to the elbraille, too, so there’s no need to separate the two of them unless you know you won’t be needing Windows. I know that was a little more detail than you asked for, but with something this expensive I always like to be thorough and realistic. Any other questions let me know! Hello List-members, I recently received a small inheritance and am considering investing in a braille Notetaker, specifically the ElBraille. In this regard, I understand that Freedom Scientific is introducing a new model in the near future. If anyone here owns this device, I would appreciate some honest feedback/perspective regarding its ease of use, versatility etc. I have a Brailliant BI 32 which I have used off/on in conjunction with a laptop. However, I find this set-up cumbersome and I’ve never felt all that comfortable using the Brailliant, as there are times while I am using it, that it will jump to a new page in a Word document where I am taking notes. I am considering selling it. The ElBraille is more or less like a laptop, using a Perkins keyboard which I appreciate. I would appreciate any and all responses. Best, Justin
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Re: Graphics and pictures on a web site
Yes, CSS is great for setting up default fonts, margins, and more.
But, for alternative text on graphics, you can just use ält="" and put the text between the quotes within the image code.
HTH,
Richard
Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying. There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack
lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker
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On May 2, 2019, at 4:44 PM, Jaffar Sidek < jaffar.sidek10@...> wrote:
Hi. You might even consider the use of CSS or Cascading Style sheets. These are documents that will allow you to determine the layout and look of your page, and you could do amazing things with them: like hiding text from the sighted viewer, yet exposing
those texts to screen readers. Many web pages take this approach when implementing the "Skip to navigation" or "Skip to content" links. This wold mean that while your web page is well described for your blind visitors, all those info considered unnecessary
to the sighted would be hidden from them. So they would see your images, while those images would have descriptions tagged and read out to the low vision or the blind without any apparent unnecessary clutter. Contact me off list if you are interested to
take this approach. Cheers!
On 5/3/2019 6:52 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
Kevin, My business “The Diamond Touch Dog Rehabilitation Centre” is training problem dogs. My logo is a picture of my former guide dog. On my website
thediamondtouchdog.ca I have my grad picture with him in it and a brief text for the screen reader users to describe the picture. For me, nothing more annoying then when the screen reader just reads out graphic or
link. The screen reader users have no idea what the graphic is. I believe in 022 all websites in Canada must by law be accessible for the blind. The text is imbedded. So both groups, the sighted and screen reader users are happy.
Kevin, It kind of depends on whether the graphic is for esthetics or to pretty up the page, or if it is supposed to represent a button or link. A very brief description of the pictural would be nice in stead of just
hearing, “Graphic.” All buttons or links that are used to perform a vital function on the page must be labeled.
Another problem that I have noticed lately with control elements on web pages are combo boxes that do not say whatis in them when you hit Enter to open them. I hear JAWS make the sound when forms mode is open, but when
I press the down arrow, all I hear is krikets, not even “Blank.” I found this recently on a page where I needed to fill in my address. The State is usually handled with a combo box and you can enter the combo box and hit the first letter of your state and
hear those states read, but this site did not work that way.
I am using Firefox, JAWS 18 on a Windows 7 machine. By the way, I am only running with 3 gigs of ram and have not experienced any of the hangs and sluggishness that all of those on here with the latest of everything
seem to be reporting. I don’t upgrade anything until it just will not work anymore or MS stops supporting.
Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2019 9:18 AM
Subject: Graphics and pictures on a web site
Hello, I’m taking a web development class. The final project is to create a detailed web site. AS a blind user I want to make this site as user friendly to screen readers. I have some scenarios below. Please provide me
with feedback on what works for you.
Link has a graphic and there is no text. Would you prefer just the link, text and graphic? Or it doesn’t say there is a graphic and does say link and then text telling you the use of the link.
There is a picture used for decorative purposes. The screen reader recognizes the picture and says graphic. Sometimes there will be text and other times no text. Would you prefer the screen reader saying graphic and then
the text explaining the picture? Or just the graphic? Or nothing at all?
When the graphics do have text do you like it to be very detailed? Or is it okay to just say something like “more information”? I say “more information as I have seen this many times.
Those that use something to in large the text, what colors work best for you when viewing a web site?
If you have any other comments about problems you encounter on a web site let me know.
Cheers,
Kevin Meyers
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Hello, I do enjoy using mine. It is no speed demon, but it also gets well over 12 hours of batterylife, can handle a sim card for mobile internet connectivity, and is very stable. TLDR: It is a solid workhorse that will get you through a work/schoolday no matter what you do with plenty of battery to spare in a small footprint that runs the Windows programs you know and love. Now for some negatives. Charging time can take quite a while with the included adapter. It doesn’t actually have a standby feature – but boot times are reasonably quick with the EMMC solid state storage. (Maybe others have this feature and mine is a fluke). My first recommendation, especially if you’re going to be around a huge crowd of people, is disable the silly vibration and beeping you get when powering on. Or at least turn them to low. Yes, they will probably release a new version. Yes, it will probably be much more expensive as those processors, while higher powered, are also significantly more expensive to purchase and yes, you can probably upgrade the current one (at a lesser fee). And you will get worse batterylife as they will consume more power. I really enjoy the keyboard. The space bars placement can take a little time to get used to under the braille display, but it isn’t terrible. All the keys are nicely placed and everything is in reach using a finger. It’s an amazing feeling to have a braille display and computer hanging by a strap from your neck, typing on it in the grocery store. Yes, sure, you can use a separate braille display and phone or laptop, but this is seamless. They’re both together. And that brings me to my last thing. Separating the two of them is a breeze. Actually getting the machine you might think something is broken, but there’s a little magnetically attached lid that, when popped off, hangs by a rubber band of sorts. Underneath this is a tiny micro USB connector that connects the braille display to the elbraille itself and charges the display, if it needs it. You can switch from Bluetooth to USB mode while retaining the connection to the elbraille, too, so there’s no need to separate the two of them unless you know you won’t be needing Windows. I know that was a little more detail than you asked for, but with something this expensive I always like to be thorough and realistic. Any other questions let me know!
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Mcdevitt
Sent: May 2, 2019 6:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: ElBraille Hello List-members, I recently received a small inheritance and am considering investing in a braille Notetaker, specifically the ElBraille. In this regard, I understand that Freedom Scientific is introducing a new model in the near future. If anyone here owns this device, I would appreciate some honest feedback/perspective regarding its ease of use, versatility etc. I have a Brailliant BI 32 which I have used off/on in conjunction with a laptop. However, I find this set-up cumbersome and I’ve never felt all that comfortable using the Brailliant, as there are times while I am using it, that it will jump to a new page in a Word document where I am taking notes. I am considering selling it. The ElBraille is more or less like a laptop, using a Perkins keyboard which I appreciate. I would appreciate any and all responses. Best, Justin
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Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's New
Remember the more ram installed, the less access to disk drive is
needed.
Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA
On 5/1/2019 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel
wrote:
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I think it
is quite logical to assume that a system with only 4 Gb of
RAM (just to use an example of what I consider a “lower”
amount of RAM) may be less stabil especially if you have
many applications and browser tabs open.
I'm
beginning to wonder if installed RAM might be an issue in
many of these crash problems with Windows 10. It seems
like that many times when this happens , and from the
complaints filed reporting their total GB of installed
RAM, the lower amount of total RAM installed, the more
frequently the crashes. Just an observation. Yours and
anyone elses thoughts?
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is
trying to please everybody.
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Tuesday, April 30, 2019 8:02 PM
Subject:
Re: JAWS Update, J2019.1904.60 Download Link + What's
New
I use
Outlook and Excel all the time, often have several Google
Chrome tabs/windows open plus usually
Sage 50 accounting and my point of sale software and I often
go weeks without a Jaws crash. I am not saying I have some
issues with Windows 10, I do and they are mostly related to
the fact that I can’t read some stuff with the Jaws cursor
which I used to be able to read under Windows 7, but
strictly from a stability perspective Windows 10 is amazing
and while my 2014 version of Sage 50 does sometimes go down
the drain, Jaws, Excel and Outlook crashes are extremely
rare.
I guess
everybody’s system is different, I do have a high-end laptop
at home, but at work all 4 PC’s we use there are mini PC’s,
two of them Intel NUC with an I3 and an I5 processor, the
other two are HP EliteDesk 800 mini PC’s, one has an I5 and
one has an I7 processor. All of them except for the I3
system run very well, the I3 system which has 12 Gb of RAM
is a bit sluggish even though it does have an Intel SSD, I
certainly would never buy an I3 again..
Regards,
Sieghard
Yes, most of
the time, while browsing the folders to attach the file on
the outlook, the jaws does not respond quickly.
Yes, I use
Office 365. JAWS seems to get fussy most often when I
switch between apps or require a sudden response such as
when a new e-mail or web page opens.
Dan
I dont seem to have very many issues with
that in windows 7 or 10. It may depend on the apps you run.
Do you use MS office alot? Outlook, MS mail or Access?
On 4/30/2019 11:19 AM, Dan Longmore wrote:
Yes and
now if they could just make the program more stable and
less crash prone.
Dan
Some really useful additions this time
'round.
On 4/30/2019 10:17 AM, Mike B wrote:
Below is the
direct download link for todays release of build
J2019.1904.60 and what's new in this release.
Enhancements in JAWS 2019.1904.60 (April 2019)
The following is a list of improvements made in JAWS
2019 between the March 2019 update and the April 2019
update.
To download the
latest release, visit the
Downloads web page.
You must be logged on as an administrator to install
this software.
Improved
Heading Navigation When Using the Numbers Row
For years,
users have been able to use 1 through 6 on the numbers
row to move to specific heading levels on web pages.
For instance, 1 for level 1 headings,
2 for level 2 headings, 3 for level 3 headings, and so
on. However, this type of navigation only allowed you
to move to headings equal or lower than the
level you were trying to move by. For example, if you
attempted to move to a level 3 heading, but the very
next heading was a level 2, JAWS would announce:
"No more headings at level 3 in this section," and
would not move past the level 2 heading.
Beginning with
the April 2019 update, you can now move to any given
heading level on a page and if it is under a different
higher precedence heading, the
immediately higher precedence heading will be read so
you know that the new heading belongs to a different
section. For example, if you attempt to move
to a level 3 heading which causes you to jump past a
level 2 heading, JAWS will announce the level 2
heading prior to announcing the level 3 heading so
you know you have moved into a new section. You can
also choose to have JAWS play a sound to indicate when
you move into a new section or you can switch
back to the prior behavior which restricted heading
navigation to the current section.
To configure
how JAWS navigates headings when using the numbers 1
through 6, open Settings Center (INSERT+6 on the
numbers row), type "heading" into the
Search edit box, select the "Heading Navigation Using
1-6" option, and then use the SPACEBAR to choose the
setting you want. Alternatively, open Quick
Settings (INSERT+V) from your browser and configure
the "Heading Navigation" setting.
Support for
MathType Content When Reading in Office 365 Word
Documents
You can now use
JAWS or Fusion to read and study math problems in Word
documents created using the MathType software from
Design Science. To use this feature,
you must do the following:
• Make sure you
are running the April 2019 release of JAWS or Fusion
along with Microsoft Word from Office 365.
• Install MathType from
Wiris.com
and activate the software as a trial or actual
license.
• In Settings Center, make sure the "Use Accessibility
Driver for Screen Capture" check box is selected.
When you
encounter a math equation or formula in a document,
JAWS reads the problem and then says "Math Content."
You can then press INSERT+SPACEBAR followed
by EQUALS to open the JAWS Math Viewer so you can
study the equation in greater detail.
Once the Math
Viewer is opened, you can navigate individual parts of
an equation like variables, terms, coefficients,
exponents, etc. As you navigate to
the various components, pressing DOWN ARROW will let
you drill down into and navigate within that level of
the equation using LEFT and RIGHT ARROW. Pressing
UP ARROW will move you back to the prior level. In
addition, if you have a Braille display and JAWS is
set to United States English or Unified English
Braille Grade 1 or Grade 2, the math equation or
formula will be displayed in Nemeth Braille. Pressing
ESC will close the Math Viewer and return to the
document.
See our
MathType Sample Demonstration document
for examples of how JAWS and Fusion can enable
students to access math content.
Visit the
Design Science
website for more details about MathType.
Easy Access to
Answer or Disconnect From a Skype Call Using the
Desktop Application Version 8.42 or Higher
In Skype for
Desktop 8.42 and later, JAWS or Fusion now provides
keystrokes for answering or disconnecting a call from
any application as well as moving
focus into the Skype main window. Note that these
keystrokes are only available in the Skype for Desktop
application. They will not work in the Skype for
Windows 10 universal app from the Microsoft store or
the Skype for Business app.
To answer an
incoming call, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, y followed by UP
ARROW. To disconnect from a call, press
INSERT+SPACEBAR, y followed by DOWN ARROW.
To move focus directly into the Skype window, press
INSERT+SPACEBAR, Y followed by S.
Other Changes
• When performing the monthly updates of JAWS,
ZoomText, and Fusion, the shortcut keystroke on the
Desktop Icon used to launch the application, will no
longer be removed during the update process.
• JAWS now offers localizations for Swedish and
Italian when performing a full install.
• In the Amazon Kindle app, JAWS and Fusion now
supports reading and navigating inside tables.
• Resolved an issue where you could not use the
keyboard to interact with the controls in the Display
Options dialog box in the Amazon Kindle app.
• If Track Changes is turned on in a Word document,
you can now use INSERT+SHIFT+R to list revisions in
footnotes, endnotes, and comments in addition to
the main document. Note that this command only lists
revisions in the currently active pane. For example,
pressing INSERT+SHIFT+R from the Document pane
will list revisions in the main document while
pressing this keystroke from within a footnote will
only list revisions found in footnotes.
• If a word document contained more than 150
revisions, resolved an issue where the number of
revisions was not being reported correctly when using
INSERT+SHIFT+R.
• The "Document and Web Pages Automatically Read When
Loaded" option in Settings Center is now enabled by
default in PowerPoint. When you start a presentation
and move to the next or previous slide, JAWS
automatically begins reading the current slide.
• In Excel, JAWS and Fusion now indicates in both
speech and Braille if a cell contains a data type.
• Resolved an issue where pressing INSERT+E was not
announcing the default button in a Chrome dialog box.
• Addressed a reported issue where the aria-required
attribute was not being indicated as expected in
Internet Explorer while navigating with the Virtual
Cursor.
• Addressed reported issues where JAWS and Fusion was
not consistently reading elements that use the
aria-describedby" or title attributes while tabbing
through a page.
• If you are inside a table in a Google Docs document
and you press INSERT+SPACEBAR, Q to activate the Quick
Nav mode, you can now use the ARROW keys to
move to each cell. You can also use CTRL+UP/DOWN ARROW
to move to the top or bottom of the current column,
CTRL+LEFT/RIGHT ARROW to move to the beginning
or end of the current row, and CTRL+HOME/END to move
to the beginning or end of the table.
• For users of the Focus Blue Braille Display, you can
now press a Selector button along with the Left or
Right NAV Mode button to toggle speech on or
off for the corresponding NAV Rocker. When enabled,
JAWS will speak as you scroll by line, sentence, or
paragraph. This setting is off by default for both
NAV Rockers.
• Added additional information to installer error
messages such as when you include an invalid language
code when using the /language command line argument.
• You can now press INSERT+F8 in the Skype for Desktop
application to display a list of JAWS keystrokes
specific to Skype. You can then select the action
you want to perform and press ENTER.
• The "Prompt to Confirm when Exiting JAWS" option has
been added to the Run JAWS Settings page of the
Startup Wizard.
• When using Braille in a WPF (Windows Presentation
Foundation) app, JAWS now includes the name and type
of the current window on the braille display to
make it easier for Braille users to know when a new
window opens.
• In Microsoft Teams, addressed issues with reading
chat messages as well as removed extra speech that was
heard when attempting to join a meeting.
• Added necessary changes to JAWS to support Gaaiho
Doc, Nuance Power PDF, and Nuance Power PDF once these
products are released by Nuance.
• Improved how JAWS reads incoming text when connected
to remote sites using SecureCRT or other SSH software
such as Windows TelNet.
• Added support for the latest Remote Desktop Terminal
Services client from Microsoft.
• Due to issues with the Weather Research It lookup
source, it will no longer appear in the Research It
dialog box (INSERT+SPACEBAR, R) by default until
a solution is found. In addition, the Amazon Product
Search lookup source has also been removed due to
ongoing issues which we are continuing to investigate.
Take care.
Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to
failure is trying to please everybody.
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Hello List-members,
I recently received a small inheritance and am considering investing in a braille Notetaker, specifically the ElBraille. In this regard, I understand that Freedom Scientific is introducing a new model in the near future.
If anyone here owns this device, I would appreciate some honest feedback/perspective regarding its ease of use, versatility etc.
I have a Brailliant BI 32 which I have used off/on in conjunction with a laptop. However, I find this set-up cumbersome and I’ve never felt all that comfortable using the Brailliant, as there are times while I am using it, that it will
jump to a new page in a Word document where I am taking notes. I am considering selling it.
The ElBraille is more or less like a laptop, using a Perkins keyboard which I appreciate.
I would appreciate any and all responses.
Best, Justin
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Re: Graphics and pictures on a web site
Hi. You might even consider the use of CSS or Cascading Style
sheets. These are documents that will allow you to determine the
layout and look of your page, and you could do amazing things with
them: like hiding text from the sighted viewer, yet exposing
those texts to screen readers. Many web pages take this approach
when implementing the "Skip to navigation" or "Skip to content"
links. This wold mean that while your web page is well described
for your blind visitors, all those info considered unnecessary to
the sighted would be hidden from them. So they would see your
images, while those images would have descriptions tagged and read
out to the low vision or the blind without any apparent
unnecessary clutter. Contact me off list if you are interested to
take this approach. Cheers!
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On 5/3/2019 6:52 AM, David & his
pack of dogs wrote:
Kevin, My business “The Diamond Touch
Dog Rehabilitation Centre” is training problem dogs. My
logo is a picture of my former guide dog. On my website
thediamondtouchdog.ca I have my grad picture with him in it
and a brief text for the screen reader users to describe the
picture. For me, nothing more annoying then when the screen
reader just reads out graphic or link. The screen reader
users have no idea what the graphic is. I believe in 022 all
websites in Canada must by law be accessible for the blind.
The text is imbedded. So both groups, the sighted and
screen reader users are happy.
Kevin, It kind of
depends on whether the graphic is for esthetics or to
pretty up the page, or if it is supposed to represent
a button or link. A very brief description of the
pictural would be nice in stead of just hearing,
“Graphic.” All buttons or links that are used to
perform a vital function on the page must be labeled.
Another problem
that I have noticed lately with control elements on
web pages are combo boxes that do not say whatis in
them when you hit Enter to open them. I hear JAWS
make the sound when forms mode is open, but when I
press the down arrow, all I hear is krikets, not even
“Blank.” I found this recently on a page where I
needed to fill in my address. The State is usually
handled with a combo box and you can enter the combo
box and hit the first letter of your state and hear
those states read, but this site did not work that
way.
I am using
Firefox, JAWS 18 on a Windows 7 machine. By the way,
I am only running with 3 gigs of ram and have not
experienced any of the hangs and sluggishness that all
of those on here with the latest of everything seem to
be reporting. I don’t upgrade anything until it just
will not work anymore or MS stops supporting.
Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but
against the rulers, against the powers, against the
world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual
forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you
will be able to resist in the evil day, and having
done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2019 9:18 AM
Subject: Graphics and pictures on a web
site
Hello, I’m taking
a web development class. The final project is to
create a detailed web site. AS a blind user I want to
make this site as user friendly to screen readers. I
have some scenarios below. Please provide me with
feedback on what works for you.
Link has a graphic
and there is no text. Would you prefer just the link,
text and graphic? Or it doesn’t say there is a graphic
and does say link and then text telling you the use of
the link.
There is a picture
used for decorative purposes. The screen reader
recognizes the picture and says graphic. Sometimes
there will be text and other times no text. Would you
prefer the screen reader saying graphic and then the
text explaining the picture? Or just the graphic? Or
nothing at all?
When the graphics
do have text do you like it to be very detailed? Or is
it okay to just say something like “more information”?
I say “more information as I have seen this many
times.
Those that use
something to in large the text, what colors work best
for you when viewing a web site?
If you have any
other comments about problems you encounter on a web
site let me know.
Cheers,
Kevin Meyers
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Re: Graphics and pictures on a web site
Kevin,
As for colors, mainly you want to be sure there is a clear contrast between the words and the background.
Don't use dark gray on light gray. If possible, set up a way for people to adjust it on the fly for themselves.
I don't know the coding to do that.
Test your page in several browsers.
Label graphics that give meaningful information; like if a link is going to a PDF file, or what it is to.
If it is just a blue line to separate sections, I wouldn't tag it with anything but a blank tag.
If it is a logo, like Dave's, then you want to give it a useful tag.
HTH,
Richard
Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying. There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack
lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker
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On May 2, 2019, at 3:52 PM, David & his pack of dogs < myguidedogis@...> wrote:
Kevin, My business “The Diamond Touch Dog Rehabilitation Centre” is training problem dogs. My logo is a picture of my former guide dog. On my website
thediamondtouchdog.ca I have my grad picture with him in it and a brief text for the screen reader users to describe the picture. For me, nothing more annoying then when the screen reader just reads out graphic or
link. The screen reader users have no idea what the graphic is. I believe in 022 all websites in Canada must by law be accessible for the blind. The text is imbedded. So both groups, the sighted and screen reader users are happy.
Kevin, It kind of depends on whether the graphic is for esthetics or to pretty up the page, or if it is supposed to represent a button
or link. A very brief description of the pictural would be nice in stead of just hearing, “Graphic.” All buttons or links that are used to perform a vital function on the page must be labeled.
Another problem that I have noticed lately with control elements on web pages are combo boxes that do not say whatis in them when you hit
Enter to open them. I hear JAWS make the sound when forms mode is open, but when I press the down arrow, all I hear is krikets, not even “Blank.” I found this recently on a page where I needed to fill in my address. The State is usually handled with a combo
box and you can enter the combo box and hit the first letter of your state and hear those states read, but this site did not work that way.
I am using Firefox, JAWS 18 on a Windows 7 machine. By the way, I am only running with 3 gigs of ram and have not experienced any of the
hangs and sluggishness that all of those on here with the latest of everything seem to be reporting. I don’t upgrade anything until it just will not work anymore or MS stops supporting.
Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
Sent:
Thursday, May 02, 2019 9:18 AM
Subject:
Graphics and pictures on a web site
Hello, I’m taking a web development class. The final project is to create a detailed web site. AS a blind user I want to make this site
as user friendly to screen readers. I have some scenarios below. Please provide me with feedback on what works for you.
Link has a graphic and there is no text. Would you prefer just the link, text and graphic? Or it doesn’t say there is a graphic and does
say link and then text telling you the use of the link.
There is a picture used for decorative purposes. The screen reader recognizes the picture and says graphic. Sometimes there will be text
and other times no text. Would you prefer the screen reader saying graphic and then the text explaining the picture? Or just the graphic? Or nothing at all?
When the graphics do have text do you like it to be very detailed? Or is it okay to just say something like “more information”? I say “more
information as I have seen this many times.
Those that use something to in large the text, what colors work best for you when viewing a web site?
If you have any other comments about problems you encounter on a web site let me know.
Cheers,
Kevin Meyers
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 10:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Sage 50 To me it is very accessible, but I know Sage 50 like the back of my hand because I have been using it and its previous version, Simply Accounting, for well over 20 years. There are things you have to do with the Jaws cursor, sometimes the touch cursor and under Windows 10 you are generally better off not to use the traditional accessibility display driver which is still the default. The new so-called “GDI Hooking” method reads more in Sage, for example, if I lookup a transaction I entered in the purchases journal or bring up a trial balance or vendor aged report then I can read this information with the Jaws cursor if I don’t use the accessibility display driver, if I use it the Jaws cursor only reads blank. You can of course get around this as well by bringing up the report and then press Alt + F followed by “O” which is the command to “Open in Excel”. It will ask you to save the file, but once you do Excel opens and loads whichever report you have on the screen. If I have to really do a lot of detailed checking of data and maybe search for something this is my preferred method. Also, the main screen of Sage does not read at all, this is where you select if you want to use the General Journal, Bank Reconciliation, the Purchases or Payments modules/journals etc. I know that if I open Sage I have to tab 5 times for the general journal, 6 times for bank reconciliation, 7 times for the Suppliers list, 8 times for purchases and 9 times for payments. Somebody who wasn’t as familiar with the program and who tried to use it for the first time would probably be very frustrated and conclude that it is largely inaccessible. I haven’t upgraded because I was sick and tired of paying them hundreds of Dollars every year for their so-called support which I never use and to get a new version which essentially was no different than the previous one. I also used to use their payroll module and during that time I had no choice because my annual payment also included the updates to the tax tables for Canada and so on. But for some years now I use a payroll service called Payworks where all we have to do is log in and enter each employees hours and they do the rest. A few days later (I do payroll every 2 weeks) the wages are auto-deposited into each employees bank account, Payworks does the monthly payments to the government for employment insurance, Canada Pension Plan and the income tax deductions and if an employee quits they file the Record of Employment and all that. I am a member of the Canadian Federation for Independent Business and as such I get a pretty big discount for this service, it only costs I think $11.95 per pay period (26 per year) and 99 Cents per employee for the auto deposit etc. If you need a comprehensive accounting solution and are not invested in one yet I would absolutely recommend Quickbooks. They have an accessibility department and have done a lot to make their online solution which works via a monthly subscription accessible. If you want to use their desktop version you do have to pay for scripts which some company developed. Intuit also sponsors Aira so if you use their software or service you can call Aira for free to get help with anything. The person you want to contact about accessibility is Ted Drake: Ted Drake Principal Engineer, Intuit Accessibility Work Phone: 650-944-5265 Cell Phone: 650-245-4825 Email: ted_drake@... Twitter: @ted_drake Best regards, Sieghard Hi Sieghard! I noticed in your below that you use Sage 50 Accounting 2014. How accessible is it with JAWS 2019? Thanks, Richard I use Outlook and Excel all the time, often have several Google Chrome tabs/windows open plus usually
Sage 50 accounting and my point of sale software and I often go weeks without a Jaws crash. I am not saying I have some issues with Windows 10, I do and they are mostly related to the fact that I can’t read some stuff with the Jaws cursor which I used to be able to read under Windows 7, but strictly from a stability perspective Windows 10 is amazing and while my 2014 version of Sage 50 does sometimes go down the drain, Jaws, Excel and Outlook crashes are extremely rare. I guess everybody’s system is different, I do have a high-end laptop at home, but at work all 4 PC’s we use there are mini PC’s, two of them Intel NUC with an I3 and an I5 processor, the other two are HP EliteDesk 800 mini PC’s, one has an I5 and one has an I7 processor. All of them except for the I3 system run very well, the I3 system which has 12 Gb of RAM is a bit sluggish even though it does have an Intel SSD, I certainly would never buy an I3 again.. Regards, Sieghard
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Re: Graphics and pictures on a web site
Kevin, My business “The Diamond Touch Dog Rehabilitation Centre” is training problem dogs. My logo is a picture of my former guide dog. On my website thediamondtouchdog.ca I have my grad picture with him in it and a brief text for the screen reader users to describe the picture. For me, nothing more annoying then when the screen reader just reads out graphic or link. The screen reader users have no idea what the graphic is. I believe in 022 all websites in Canada must by law be accessible for the blind. The text is imbedded. So both groups, the sighted and screen reader users are happy.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: May 2, 2019 1:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Graphics and pictures on a web site Kevin, It kind of depends on whether the graphic is for esthetics or to pretty up the page, or if it is supposed to represent a button or link. A very brief description of the pictural would be nice in stead of just hearing, “Graphic.” All buttons or links that are used to perform a vital function on the page must be labeled. Another problem that I have noticed lately with control elements on web pages are combo boxes that do not say whatis in them when you hit Enter to open them. I hear JAWS make the sound when forms mode is open, but when I press the down arrow, all I hear is krikets, not even “Blank.” I found this recently on a page where I needed to fill in my address. The State is usually handled with a combo box and you can enter the combo box and hit the first letter of your state and hear those states read, but this site did not work that way. I am using Firefox, JAWS 18 on a Windows 7 machine. By the way, I am only running with 3 gigs of ram and have not experienced any of the hangs and sluggishness that all of those on here with the latest of everything seem to be reporting. I don’t upgrade anything until it just will not work anymore or MS stops supporting. Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13 Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2019 9:18 AM Subject: Graphics and pictures on a web site Hello, I’m taking a web development class. The final project is to create a detailed web site. AS a blind user I want to make this site as user friendly to screen readers. I have some scenarios below. Please provide me with feedback on what works for you. Link has a graphic and there is no text. Would you prefer just the link, text and graphic? Or it doesn’t say there is a graphic and does say link and then text telling you the use of the link. There is a picture used for decorative purposes. The screen reader recognizes the picture and says graphic. Sometimes there will be text and other times no text. Would you prefer the screen reader saying graphic and then the text explaining the picture? Or just the graphic? Or nothing at all? When the graphics do have text do you like it to be very detailed? Or is it okay to just say something like “more information”? I say “more information as I have seen this many times. Those that use something to in large the text, what colors work best for you when viewing a web site? If you have any other comments about problems you encounter on a web site let me know. Cheers, Kevin Meyers
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