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Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

I wish I could upgrade my Dell Machine, but I'd rather just build one from
the ground up and put Windows 7 Professional 64 Bit on there. That way, if
anything breaks down, I could just swap similar components, instead of
having a brand-name machine like Dell, where you have to use proprietary
components specific to the machine. However, right this moment, I don't have
at least $787 to do so. But I guess it takes time and patience to come up
with funds of that sort. I want to build a machine that has a whisper quiet
fan, 64 Bit capability, lots of RAM, either a Broadcom or a Realtek Ethernet
jack, a Bios Gigabyte Motherboard, either a Soundmax Digital Audio or a
Realtek High Definition audio soundcard, an AMD Radeon HD5400 (I'm not sure
if that's the processor or the Graphics Card), an Intel Core I5 or higher
with 3.30 GHZ or higher, USB 2.0 and 3.0 capabilities, high-quality 7200RPM
HDD Hard Drives (The top-of-the-line professional kinds like Western Digital
Black or Seagate Iron Barracuda, Wolf, or Skyhawk Pro, each 1 Terabyte)
(which I'll put into the bays of the machine), either a Pioneer DVR219L or
an HL-DT-ST DVDRAM_GSA-H10N DVD/CD ROM Drive with DVDRW and CDRW
capabilities, a floppy disk drive (I know, I like stuff that some say is
obsolete), a VGA port which I'll hook up my USB KVM Switcher to, and most
important of all, at least for me, an all-metal, cubic square-shaped
box-like standing tower, instead of an all-plastic, rectangular-shaped
box-like flat tower as is the Dell. I wish I could send along pictures of
both machines I have so you can compare what the machines are like, but I'm
sure most of the JAWS members, like me, are also blind. Also, out of
curiosity, since I have a copy of Windows 7, is it possible to put it on
more than one machine? Or would I have to get another copy? Or perhaps get a
multimachine license for the same copy I have?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 7:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

You should not be using Windows xp on the internet! Someone could put a key
logger and know everything you type. There are no security updates for xp
and its the wild west out there.

On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 21:05:23 -0400,
Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

[1 <text/plain; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
[2 <text/html; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>] I'm trying that, but it
seems to want to make the Control, Shift and Right Alt keys work together
as a trio. What's up with that, I wonder?

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 2:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

ctrl + shift is supposed to disable alt gr...
On 4/22/2019 2:27 PM, Randy Barnett via Groups.Io wrote:

I found this it may or may not help:

https://www.thewindowsclub.com/how-do-i-enable-or-disable-alt-gr-key-o
n-windows-10-keyboard On 4/22/2019 12:52 PM, Bill White wrote:

ALT GR is for entering characters for other languages.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked to
Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR, which
I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

UNI044A

Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys
under discussion. This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's
not a criticism). Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the
arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the
repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where
they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard. That is,
unless they
have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in which case
you'd have to make certain that's been installed.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 The
psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals,
which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person
cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another. Everybody knows that
this is untrue. . .

~ Bertrand Russell

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...


importing wlm address book to thunderbird?

netbat66
 

hi,
is there a thunderbird add on or something to import the address book from wlm
to tb?
at first i was able to eventually find the wlm export button with the mouse.
but i can't find it now.
with tb 60.6 nothing talks with jaws 2019
all it says is does the first field have name fields with a check box.
and the next button.
from what i found on google there is two windows on this screen and i am
suppose to position each field from the imported file to the correct field of
the tb fields by moveing them up or down.
but none of this talks.
not with jaws,window eyes, n v d a or narrator.
with windows 7
so far i am getting no where.
i manage to do it once but only the name was in the right place. the email
address was in another place.

thanks for info.


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

John Covici
 

You should not be using Windows xp on the internet! Someone could put
a key logger and know everything you type. There are no security
updates for xp and its the wild west out there.

On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 21:05:23 -0400,
Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

[1 <text/plain; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
[2 <text/html; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
I'm trying that, but it seems to want to make the Control, Shift and Right Alt keys work together as a trio. What's up with that, I wonder?

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 2:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

ctrl + shift is supposed to disable alt gr...
On 4/22/2019 2:27 PM, Randy Barnett via Groups.Io wrote:

I found this it may or may not help:
https://www.thewindowsclub.com/how-do-i-enable-or-disable-alt-gr-key-on-windows-10-keyboard
On 4/22/2019 12:52 PM, Bill White wrote:

ALT GR is for entering characters for other languages.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked to Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR, which I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

UNI044A

Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys under discussion. This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's not a criticism). Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the arrow keys -
quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard. That is, unless they
have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in which case you'd have to make certain that's been installed.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another. Everybody knows that this is
untrue. . .

~ Bertrand Russell

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle Susan Morison
 


I'm trying that, but it seems to want to make the Control, Shift and Right Alt keys work together as a trio. What's up with that, I wonder?



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 2:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

ctrl + shift is supposed to disable alt gr...
On 4/22/2019 2:27 PM, Randy Barnett via Groups.Io wrote:
I found this it may or may not help:
https://www.thewindowsclub.com/how-do-i-enable-or-disable-alt-gr-key-on-windows-10-keyboard
On 4/22/2019 12:52 PM, Bill White wrote:

ALT GR is for entering characters for other languages.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked to Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR, which I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

UNI044A

Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys under discussion.  This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's not a criticism).  Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard.   That is, unless they have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in which case you'd have to make certain that's been installed.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell




Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle Susan Morison
 


I don't have Windows 10. Just Windows XP 32 Bit on two machines (one desktop and one laptop), and Windows 7 64 Bit on a third machine (a desktop).



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 2:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I found this it may or may not help:
https://www.thewindowsclub.com/how-do-i-enable-or-disable-alt-gr-key-on-windows-10-keyboard
On 4/22/2019 12:52 PM, Bill White wrote:

ALT GR is for entering characters for other languages.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked to Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR, which I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

UNI044A

Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys under discussion.  This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's not a criticism).  Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard.   That is, unless they have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in which case you'd have to make certain that's been installed.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell



Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

When I'm in the Keyboard Manager, what would I look for? How would I assign the Right Alt key to the Left Alt key? Would it change both of them to be just plain "Alt"? I'm confused!



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 12:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Have you looked at the keyboard manager in Jaws? Maybe you could assign the right alt to the left alt also.
On 4/22/2019 4:16 AM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
Hi, it's Annabelle.
When I press Right Alt along with any of the Arrow keys on my keyboard, JAWS seems to say, "Not In a Table". For example, I press Right Alt+Left Arrow to move back a page in programs like Firefox or Microsoft Outlook 2003, and it says "Not In a Table". I press Right Alt+Right Arrow to move forward a page, it says "Not in a table". In Microsoft Word 2003, when I press Right Alt+Up/Down Arrow keys to read sentence-by-sentence, it says "Not In a Table". However, when I press Left Alt+arrow keys, JAWS does what it's supposed to do. How do I make it so JAWS recognizes I'm trying to perform the aforementioned commands, no matter which Alt key I press with the Arrow keys? I mean, aren't the Left and Right Alt keys essentially the same? I'm confused on that one!



Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Randy Barnett
 

ctrl + shift is supposed to disable alt gr...

On 4/22/2019 2:27 PM, Randy Barnett via Groups.Io wrote:
I found this it may or may not help:
https://www.thewindowsclub.com/how-do-i-enable-or-disable-alt-gr-key-on-windows-10-keyboard
On 4/22/2019 12:52 PM, Bill White wrote:

ALT GR is for entering characters for other languages.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked to Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR, which I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

UNI044A

Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys under discussion.  This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's not a criticism).  Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard.   That is, unless they have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in which case you'd have to make certain that's been installed.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell




Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Randy Barnett
 

On 4/22/2019 12:52 PM, Bill White wrote:

ALT GR is for entering characters for other languages.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked to Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR, which I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

UNI044A

Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys under discussion.  This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's not a criticism).  Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard.   That is, unless they have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in which case you'd have to make certain that's been installed.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell



Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Randy Barnett
 

Will check google when I have some time.
Well I looked at the Keyboard manager and I don't see a way to do this. What about a script that says something like: alt gr = alt?

On 4/22/2019 1:04 PM, Mario wrote:
to expand a bit, from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltGr_key

AltGr (also Alt Graph, or Right Alt is a modifier key
found on some computer keyboards and is primarily used to type
characters that are unusual for the locale of the keyboard layout,
such as currency symbols and accented letters. On a typical,
IBM-compatible PC keyboard, the AltGr key, when present, takes the place
of the right-hand Alt key.



-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, April 22, 2019, 3:52 PM
Subject: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

ALT GR is for entering characters for other languages.

Bill White

<mailto:billwhite92701@...> billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked
to Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR,
which I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?

_____

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian
Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
UNI044A
Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys under
discussion. This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's not a
criticism). Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the
arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the
repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where
they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard. That is,
unless they have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in
which case you'd have to make certain that's been installed.





Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Mario
 

to expand a bit, from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltGr_key

AltGr (also Alt Graph, or Right Alt is a modifier key
found on some computer keyboards and is primarily used to type
characters that are unusual for the locale of the keyboard layout,
such as currency symbols and accented letters. On a typical,
IBM-compatible PC keyboard, the AltGr key, when present, takes the place
of the right-hand Alt key.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, April 22, 2019, 3:52 PM
Subject: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

ALT GR is for entering characters for other languages.

Bill White

<mailto:billwhite92701@...> billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked
to Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR,
which I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?

_____

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian
Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
UNI044A
Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys under
discussion. This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's not a
criticism). Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the
arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the
repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where
they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard. That is,
unless they have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in
which case you'd have to make certain that's been installed.


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Bill White
 

ALT GR is for entering characters for other languages.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked to Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR, which I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

UNI044A

Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys under discussion.  This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's not a criticism).  Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard.   That is, unless they have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in which case you'd have to make certain that's been installed.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Randy Barnett
 

Have you looked at the keyboard manager in Jaws? Maybe you could assign the right alt to the left alt also.

On 4/22/2019 4:16 AM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
Hi, it's Annabelle.
When I press Right Alt along with any of the Arrow keys on my keyboard, JAWS seems to say, "Not In a Table". For example, I press Right Alt+Left Arrow to move back a page in programs like Firefox or Microsoft Outlook 2003, and it says "Not In a Table". I press Right Alt+Right Arrow to move forward a page, it says "Not in a table". In Microsoft Word 2003, when I press Right Alt+Up/Down Arrow keys to read sentence-by-sentence, it says "Not In a Table". However, when I press Left Alt+arrow keys, JAWS does what it's supposed to do. How do I make it so JAWS recognizes I'm trying to perform the aforementioned commands, no matter which Alt key I press with the Arrow keys? I mean, aren't the Left and Right Alt keys essentially the same? I'm confused on that one!



Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle Susan Morison
 


It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked to Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR, which I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
UNI044A
Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys under discussion.  This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's not a criticism).  Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard.   That is, unless they have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in which case you'd have to make certain that's been installed.
 
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The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

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Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
UNI044A
Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys under discussion.  This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's not a criticism).  Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard.   That is, unless they have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in which case you'd have to make certain that's been installed.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

The keyboard I have is a Unicomp model UNI044A.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 9:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I would suggest she should really make sure about this because having the
Windows key next to the spacebar on the right instead of the Alt key would
be a very strange layout and one I have never seen in 30 years of using
computers.
Any keyboard I ever owned had the Alt keys to the left and right of the
spacebar as the very first key, then if it had a right Windows key it would
be next, then the application key and last the Control on the very right
just as it would be the last on the very left across from it with Windows in
the middle and in the case of laptops and some wireless keyboards like the
Logitech K780 an FN key.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 9:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Maybe its alt to the right of the spacebar instead of windows??

On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 11:30:11 -0400,
Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

[1 <text/plain; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
[2 <text/html; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>] The keyboard I have is made
by Unicomp, based in Lexington, Kentucky. On the left side of the
spacebar, from left to right, there's Control, Windows, and Alt. On the
right side of the spacebar, from left to right, there's Windows, Alt,
Applications, and Control. As far as I know, the keyboard layout I'm using
is Desktop, and the keyboard language is set to US.

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 8:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The left and right alt keys may, or may not, be the same depending on your
keyboard.

On every keyboard I've ever seen on a computer produced for the United
States market, ALT is ALT on both sides. For machines produced for the
European market, left ALT has always been ALT, but right ALT is very often
ALT GR, which is
not plain old ALT.

If you happen to have a machine with the ALT GR key in the right ALT
position you may need to use key mapping software like SharpKeys to re-map
ALT GR to straight ALT.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 The
psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which
assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot
co-exist with a serious affection for another. Everybody knows that this is
untrue. . .

~ Bertrand Russell
--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 11:28 AM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
Unicomp
I can confirm, at least if you have their Ultra Classic model, that the order you have reported is correct and also unusual.

I haven't reviewed their entire line, but would not be surprised if they use this "Unicomp specific" configuration on multiple lines.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 12:44 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Any keyboard I ever owned had the Alt keys to the left and right of the spacebar as the very first key
And I agree about this whether that is straight ALT or an ALT/ALT GR situation.  Either a pair of ALTs or the mixed set is what has appeared immediately to the left and right of the spacebar on any keyboard I have ever seen (if there are two to begin with, and two is the most common arrangement).
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

I would suggest she should really make sure about this because having the Windows key next to the spacebar on the right instead of the Alt key would be a very strange layout and one I have never seen in 30 years of using computers.
Any keyboard I ever owned had the Alt keys to the left and right of the spacebar as the very first key, then if it had a right Windows key it would be next, then the application key and last the Control on the very right just as it would be the last on the very left across from it with Windows in the middle and in the case of laptops and some wireless keyboards like the Logitech K780 an FN key.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 9:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Maybe its alt to the right of the spacebar instead of windows??

On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 11:30:11 -0400,
Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

[1 <text/plain; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
[2 <text/html; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>] The keyboard I have is made
by Unicomp, based in Lexington, Kentucky. On the left side of the
spacebar, from left to right, there's Control, Windows, and Alt. On the right side of the spacebar, from left to right, there's Windows, Alt, Applications, and Control. As far as I know, the keyboard layout I'm using is Desktop, and the keyboard language is set to US.

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 8:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The left and right alt keys may, or may not, be the same depending on your keyboard.

On every keyboard I've ever seen on a computer produced for the United States market, ALT is ALT on both sides. For machines produced for the European market, left ALT has always been ALT, but right ALT is very often ALT GR, which is
not plain old ALT.

If you happen to have a machine with the ALT GR key in the right ALT position you may need to use key mapping software like SharpKeys to re-map ALT GR to straight ALT.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 The
psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another. Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

~ Bertrand Russell
--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

No, it's Windows, Alt, Applications, and Control.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 9:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Maybe its alt to the right of the spacebar instead of windows??

On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 11:30:11 -0400,
Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

[1 <text/plain; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
[2 <text/html; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>] The keyboard I have is made
by Unicomp, based in Lexington, Kentucky. On the left side of the
spacebar, from left to right, there's Control, Windows, and Alt. On the
right side of the spacebar, from left to right, there's Windows, Alt,
Applications, and Control. As far as I know, the keyboard layout I'm using
is Desktop, and the keyboard language is set to US.

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 8:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The left and right alt keys may, or may not, be the same depending on your
keyboard.

On every keyboard I've ever seen on a computer produced for the United
States market, ALT is ALT on both sides. For machines produced for the
European market, left ALT has always been ALT, but right ALT is very often
ALT GR, which is
not plain old ALT.

If you happen to have a machine with the ALT GR key in the right ALT
position you may need to use key mapping software like SharpKeys to re-map
ALT GR to straight ALT.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 The
psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which
assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot
co-exist with a serious affection for another. Everybody knows that this is
untrue. . .

~ Bertrand Russell
--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...