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wireless keyboard Re: $100 for a new computer?

Robert Logue
 

I have the Logitech g613 wireless gaming keyboard.  I like it.


The bad:

Reviewers say the mechanical keys are not as good as the best available.

The software to create macro keys is not intuitive but the latest version is at least accessible.


It is heavy.


I like; the very fast action.


I can control 2 different computers. One using the proprietary USB dong.e and the other through Bluetooth.

Both work real well without the problems I had with other wireless keyboards.  It works without dropouts and repeats even in the worst positions in my home for wireless reception.


It is also easier on my hands.  I have some RSI and find this works the best of any keyboard I've owned.  I can type longer and with fewer mistakes with less discomfort.

I had a ergonomic keyboard but it was not comfortable for me.


Another plus for me is that it uses standard batteries. I use rechargeable Eneloop batteries that hold their charge for a very long time and without developing memory problems. Much better than having to buy a new device when the internal lithium batteries stop working in just a few years.


The real reason I have the g613 is because I wanted a wireless keyboard with every key, especially the context or access key; which is missing from most keyboards now.

It was the only model in the store that had this key so I took it even though it doesn't get the highest praise for it's keys.  I'm so glad I did because the action feels very good to me.


This turned out to be a review.  It was prompted inspired by the original thread but makes no comment on that thread.


Bob


thunderbird script for 60.6

netbat66
 

hi,

does anyone have a script to make the address book import screen talk?

when you try to import an address book from wlm virtually nothing talks as is.

i can get as far as where you have to line up the feilds      but there is little speech to do this.

only the move up or down, the o k, next and previous buttons. i haven't been able to get anything else to talk on this screen. i don't have any problems with the rest of thunderbird so far.

thanks for any help.


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Dave Durber
 


Hello Annabelle:
 
Do you have more than one computer, if so, have you tried the keyboard on it or them?
 
Have you tried the keyboard on another computer that is not yours?
 
Sincerely:
 
Dave Durber
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

No, just on occasion. However, I did try Control+shift, and that fixed it. The problem is, I have to do this in every program I run. What's up with that, I wonder?


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 8:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Hello Annabell:
 
Does the problem you are having, happen on a day-by-day basis, in every session of Windows you run?
 
Sincerely
 
dave durber
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 2:23 AM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I did try that, and that's when Alt, Control, and Shift start behaving as though all three are being typed together with any other key.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 5:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Hi, Annabelle. It's OK, some people are just victims of corporate programming telling them they have to have the latest greatest new thing to be functional safe happy adults. Even if that doesnt make them act like one... Smiley Face.
I may have missed it but did you try the ctrl + shift to disable alt gr?
On 4/23/2019 5:12 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
Yeah, all I ask is for some help with this strange behavior with Alt keys in JAWS, , and I get attacked by Marty's signature with its religious talk (I'm not religious, thank you), as well as other things too horrible to mention. And David, you don't need to use my full name, it makes you sound like you're mad at me. I'm not your daughter and you're not my father. I would appreciate if everybody please call me Annabelle. So, back to where we started. What do I do to fix the Right Alt key? Is there a way to make it behave like the Left Alt key? I mean, Left and Right Shift keys behave the same for the most part. Why not the Alt keys?


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 4:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

This is turning into a personal attack... Not cool...
On 4/23/2019 3:53 PM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

I agree with Annabelle.  Why use an electric stove, when cooking over an open fire works.  Why ride in a vehicle when you can ride on a horse.  Why ride a horse when you can walk. Why walk with shoes when walking bare foot is cheaper.   You get my meaning of course. Some love living in the past which in some ways is not that bad.  Where it becomes bad is when they refuse to move forward in their thinking and complain about everything new. To quote Annabelle, I  am not changing my colours for anyone. One should not complain about the health of a horse when they know it is very old. They should also not complain and expect the old horse to still function like a younger horse. Brian, I think you need to help Annabelle and do like some dog trainers do.  Take the clients money then tell them their dog is beyond hope and they should just put him or her down.    

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: April 23, 2019 3:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Not even for yourself?  I too was a big fan of XP and am currently a Windows 7 user, but I know that all good things must come to an end and so I will have to move on to Windows 10.  They say that it is better and more stable, but there is a learning curv and the older I get, I just don’t have time for that.  I wish that if something was not broken, that no one would fix it.  By the way, When did this topic get hijacked?

Marty

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 11:48 AM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I'm not willing to change my colors for anyone.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I agree with Brian, Windows 7 is a thing of the past and you really should make the jump to Windows 10 whenever it is that you get a new computer. Besides the fact that Windows 7 will have no more support in less than a year, Windows 10 at least by now is so superior to Windows 7 in almost any way, crashes which I had on a very regular bases with Windows 7 are probably reduced by 95% in Windows 10, it’s Stabil and fast and as Brian also said, all screenreader support and development is for Windows 10. You may like things others don’t have, but really, a floppy drive, I mean why on earth would you want a floppy drive? If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?

Also, you would be much better off with a 500 Gb or so SSD as your main system drive, then add a good quality hard drive with a larger capacity if you need lots of storage, the system performance will be double or better overall and if you want a fast system you really do need an SSD or your hard drive becomes the proverbial bottle neck in your nice new machine.

Regards,

Sieghard

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell




Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle Susan Morison
 


No, just on occasion. However, I did try Control+shift, and that fixed it. The problem is, I have to do this in every program I run. What's up with that, I wonder?



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 8:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Hello Annabell:
 
Does the problem you are having, happen on a day-by-day basis, in every session of Windows you run?
 
Sincerely
 
dave durber
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 2:23 AM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I did try that, and that's when Alt, Control, and Shift start behaving as though all three are being typed together with any other key.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 5:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Hi, Annabelle. It's OK, some people are just victims of corporate programming telling them they have to have the latest greatest new thing to be functional safe happy adults. Even if that doesnt make them act like one... Smiley Face.
I may have missed it but did you try the ctrl + shift to disable alt gr?
On 4/23/2019 5:12 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
Yeah, all I ask is for some help with this strange behavior with Alt keys in JAWS, , and I get attacked by Marty's signature with its religious talk (I'm not religious, thank you), as well as other things too horrible to mention. And David, you don't need to use my full name, it makes you sound like you're mad at me. I'm not your daughter and you're not my father. I would appreciate if everybody please call me Annabelle. So, back to where we started. What do I do to fix the Right Alt key? Is there a way to make it behave like the Left Alt key? I mean, Left and Right Shift keys behave the same for the most part. Why not the Alt keys?


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 4:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

This is turning into a personal attack... Not cool...
On 4/23/2019 3:53 PM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

I agree with Annabelle.  Why use an electric stove, when cooking over an open fire works.  Why ride in a vehicle when you can ride on a horse.  Why ride a horse when you can walk. Why walk with shoes when walking bare foot is cheaper.   You get my meaning of course. Some love living in the past which in some ways is not that bad.  Where it becomes bad is when they refuse to move forward in their thinking and complain about everything new. To quote Annabelle, I  am not changing my colours for anyone. One should not complain about the health of a horse when they know it is very old. They should also not complain and expect the old horse to still function like a younger horse. Brian, I think you need to help Annabelle and do like some dog trainers do.  Take the clients money then tell them their dog is beyond hope and they should just put him or her down.    

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: April 23, 2019 3:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Not even for yourself?  I too was a big fan of XP and am currently a Windows 7 user, but I know that all good things must come to an end and so I will have to move on to Windows 10.  They say that it is better and more stable, but there is a learning curv and the older I get, I just don’t have time for that.  I wish that if something was not broken, that no one would fix it.  By the way, When did this topic get hijacked?

Marty

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 11:48 AM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I'm not willing to change my colors for anyone.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I agree with Brian, Windows 7 is a thing of the past and you really should make the jump to Windows 10 whenever it is that you get a new computer. Besides the fact that Windows 7 will have no more support in less than a year, Windows 10 at least by now is so superior to Windows 7 in almost any way, crashes which I had on a very regular bases with Windows 7 are probably reduced by 95% in Windows 10, it’s Stabil and fast and as Brian also said, all screenreader support and development is for Windows 10. You may like things others don’t have, but really, a floppy drive, I mean why on earth would you want a floppy drive? If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?

Also, you would be much better off with a 500 Gb or so SSD as your main system drive, then add a good quality hard drive with a larger capacity if you need lots of storage, the system performance will be double or better overall and if you want a fast system you really do need an SSD or your hard drive becomes the proverbial bottle neck in your nice new machine.

Regards,

Sieghard

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell




Re: Minitool Partition Wizard: Can it be Made Accessible?

 

Annabelle,

           You would be correct about the MBR/GPT issue if this were being used as the system disc from which you're going to boot, but it's completely irrelevant when it comes to external storage like a backup drive, since you don't boot from a backup drive.  It should be plug n' play on your machines (at least Win7, XP is so far back I don't even know how it will deal with drivers for external USB storage).   And I suggest you do just that, plug it in and try to copy a single file to and from the drive.  If you can do that, you're golden for your intended use.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 10:33 AM, Dave Durber wrote:
The one feature, which most of all  I would like to turn off/disable, is the sodding, annoying, interfering feature, Cortana.
I dislike Cortana probably as much as you do.   That being said, one can completely avoid using Cortana and even in her "neutered form" on my machines I very, very seldom do except when I need to search for something based upon file contents rather than file name, which is my norm.   If you're someone who routinely searches for content by file name, then the first thing you should do, whether on Windows 10 or not, is install the Everything Search tool from voidtools.com.   It's what I use for searching my machines as my primary tool, and that includes on Windows 7 machines, too.   There is a portable and installable version, but since I use it multiple times per day and want the index it creates to be updated as files get added/removed, I use the installable version.   It indexes only on file name, and you can control where it looks to create its index.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Dave Durber
 


Hello Annabell:
 
Does the problem you are having, happen on a day-by-day basis, in every session of Windows you run?
 
Sincerely
 
dave durber
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 2:23 AM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I did try that, and that's when Alt, Control, and Shift start behaving as though all three are being typed together with any other key.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 5:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Hi, Annabelle. It's OK, some people are just victims of corporate programming telling them they have to have the latest greatest new thing to be functional safe happy adults. Even if that doesnt make them act like one... Smiley Face.
I may have missed it but did you try the ctrl + shift to disable alt gr?
On 4/23/2019 5:12 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
Yeah, all I ask is for some help with this strange behavior with Alt keys in JAWS, , and I get attacked by Marty's signature with its religious talk (I'm not religious, thank you), as well as other things too horrible to mention. And David, you don't need to use my full name, it makes you sound like you're mad at me. I'm not your daughter and you're not my father. I would appreciate if everybody please call me Annabelle. So, back to where we started. What do I do to fix the Right Alt key? Is there a way to make it behave like the Left Alt key? I mean, Left and Right Shift keys behave the same for the most part. Why not the Alt keys?


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 4:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

This is turning into a personal attack... Not cool...
On 4/23/2019 3:53 PM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

I agree with Annabelle.  Why use an electric stove, when cooking over an open fire works.  Why ride in a vehicle when you can ride on a horse.  Why ride a horse when you can walk. Why walk with shoes when walking bare foot is cheaper.   You get my meaning of course. Some love living in the past which in some ways is not that bad.  Where it becomes bad is when they refuse to move forward in their thinking and complain about everything new. To quote Annabelle, I  am not changing my colours for anyone. One should not complain about the health of a horse when they know it is very old. They should also not complain and expect the old horse to still function like a younger horse. Brian, I think you need to help Annabelle and do like some dog trainers do.  Take the clients money then tell them their dog is beyond hope and they should just put him or her down.    

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: April 23, 2019 3:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Not even for yourself?  I too was a big fan of XP and am currently a Windows 7 user, but I know that all good things must come to an end and so I will have to move on to Windows 10.  They say that it is better and more stable, but there is a learning curv and the older I get, I just don’t have time for that.  I wish that if something was not broken, that no one would fix it.  By the way, When did this topic get hijacked?

Marty

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 11:48 AM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I'm not willing to change my colors for anyone.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I agree with Brian, Windows 7 is a thing of the past and you really should make the jump to Windows 10 whenever it is that you get a new computer. Besides the fact that Windows 7 will have no more support in less than a year, Windows 10 at least by now is so superior to Windows 7 in almost any way, crashes which I had on a very regular bases with Windows 7 are probably reduced by 95% in Windows 10, it’s Stabil and fast and as Brian also said, all screenreader support and development is for Windows 10. You may like things others don’t have, but really, a floppy drive, I mean why on earth would you want a floppy drive? If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?

Also, you would be much better off with a 500 Gb or so SSD as your main system drive, then add a good quality hard drive with a larger capacity if you need lots of storage, the system performance will be double or better overall and if you want a fast system you really do need an SSD or your hard drive becomes the proverbial bottle neck in your nice new machine.

Regards,

Sieghard

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell




Re: Minitool Partition Wizard: Can it be Made Accessible?

Annabelle Susan Morison
 


What I'm actually trying to do is make an external hard drive of 3.63 TB with a GPT disk Partition work on my older machines so I can back up the information from my older machine onto the new hard drive. From what I understand, and I could be wrong, but in order to make a hard drive work on both new and old machines, it has to have a status of MBR, since GPT only seems to work on new machines with Windows 7 and above.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 7:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Minitool Partition Wizard: Can it be Made Accessible?

Annabelle,

           Can you please describe what, exactly, it is that you're trying to accomplish in this case?   That can be very helpful in formulating an approach.

           There are all sorts of differences in what needs to happen depending on if you're extending an existing partition into unallocated space that's one thing, if you need to rearrange partitions in order to shrink or expand it gets (or can get) a lot more complicated.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

A sighted person may say they are not sure why Microsoft has Narrator. Sticky keys is just as important for accessibility to a person who has only one hand as a screenreader is for us blind people. How, for example, would somebody who has only one hand quickly do upper case letters or press shortcut keys involving Shift, Control and Alt? Sticky keys allows them to press shift as as the name describes, it “sticks” until the next letter is pressed.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 7:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

I'm not sure why they have "Sticky Keys" either.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 7:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle:

 

In the UK, the RIGHT ALT key, is a combinedALT+CTRL key. Being used to having an ALT on either side of the space bar, I always have a problem using a UK keyboard, because I have to keep remembering to move my right thumb to the left ALT key, in order to perform commands related to the left hand, for example, ALT+F and ALT+W, etc.

 

I would like to meet the idiots, who came up with that idea.

 

The question I have to ask, if two keys are to be combined on one key, then, what is the point of having a feature in Windows called "Sticky Keys".

 

Sincerely:

 

Dave Durber

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 8:13 PM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked to Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR, which I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

UNI044A

Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys under discussion.  This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's not a criticism).  Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard.   That is, unless they have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in which case you'd have to make certain that's been installed.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Dave Durber
 


Hello Annabell:
 
Someone earlier in this thread, mentioned a program called SharpKeys, which I am definitely going to try.
 
Sincerely:
 
Dave Durber
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 1:12 AM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Yeah, all I ask is for some help with this strange behavior with Alt keys in JAWS, , and I get attacked by Marty's signature with its religious talk (I'm not religious, thank you), as well as other things too horrible to mention. And David, you don't need to use my full name, it makes you sound like you're mad at me. I'm not your daughter and you're not my father. I would appreciate if everybody please call me Annabelle. So, back to where we started. What do I do to fix the Right Alt key? Is there a way to make it behave like the Left Alt key? I mean, Left and Right Shift keys behave the same for the most part. Why not the Alt keys?


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 4:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

This is turning into a personal attack... Not cool...
On 4/23/2019 3:53 PM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

I agree with Annabelle.  Why use an electric stove, when cooking over an open fire works.  Why ride in a vehicle when you can ride on a horse.  Why ride a horse when you can walk. Why walk with shoes when walking bare foot is cheaper.   You get my meaning of course. Some love living in the past which in some ways is not that bad.  Where it becomes bad is when they refuse to move forward in their thinking and complain about everything new. To quote Annabelle, I  am not changing my colours for anyone. One should not complain about the health of a horse when they know it is very old. They should also not complain and expect the old horse to still function like a younger horse. Brian, I think you need to help Annabelle and do like some dog trainers do.  Take the clients money then tell them their dog is beyond hope and they should just put him or her down.    

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: April 23, 2019 3:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Not even for yourself?  I too was a big fan of XP and am currently a Windows 7 user, but I know that all good things must come to an end and so I will have to move on to Windows 10.  They say that it is better and more stable, but there is a learning curv and the older I get, I just don’t have time for that.  I wish that if something was not broken, that no one would fix it.  By the way, When did this topic get hijacked?

Marty

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 11:48 AM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I'm not willing to change my colors for anyone.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I agree with Brian, Windows 7 is a thing of the past and you really should make the jump to Windows 10 whenever it is that you get a new computer. Besides the fact that Windows 7 will have no more support in less than a year, Windows 10 at least by now is so superior to Windows 7 in almost any way, crashes which I had on a very regular bases with Windows 7 are probably reduced by 95% in Windows 10, it’s Stabil and fast and as Brian also said, all screenreader support and development is for Windows 10. You may like things others don’t have, but really, a floppy drive, I mean why on earth would you want a floppy drive? If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?

Also, you would be much better off with a 500 Gb or so SSD as your main system drive, then add a good quality hard drive with a larger capacity if you need lots of storage, the system performance will be double or better overall and if you want a fast system you really do need an SSD or your hard drive becomes the proverbial bottle neck in your nice new machine.

Regards,

Sieghard

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

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The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell



Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

I thought in 19H1 you could again disable Cortana also looking up web sources when you do a search.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Hello George:

 

As much as I need to upgrade to Windows 10, my biggest concern is, that as a person who values his privacy, I do not like the fact that Microsoft are making it more and more difficult to turn off/disable, so many of the spying and tracking features which are attached to Windows 10. The one feature, which most of all  I would like to turn off/disable, is the sodding, annoying, interfering feature, Cortana.

 

If anyone knows how to make it, so that any and all searches I wish to perform on my Windows 10 machine, are restricted to my local machine, then I would be glad to hear from you. I can always use a search engine, such as Google or DuckDuckGo for internet searches.

 

Sincerely:

 

Dave Durber

 

----- Original Message -----

From: G. Gray

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 4:32 PM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

I will weigh in on this, not trying to argue, but I had a windows XP computer I bought in 2004.  I used it until December 20, 2018 when it gave up the ghost   14 1/2 years with absolutely NO problems!    I used Viper and Firefox to access the web.  I used it for 14 years through Vista (which was terrible, windows 8, windows 8.1 and then Windows 7 with absolutely no problems even with no security updates.  I like Windows 7 and hope to use it a long time as well.  Windows 10 seems to have a lot of issues which of yet are not resolved....just my 2 cents.

 

George

 

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 10:21 AM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 10:42 AM, John Covici wrote:

Problem is, after support ends you get no security updates, so you will be vulnerable to being hacked.

Indeed, and I was not trying to imply you wouldn't, nor that continuing to use Windows 7 is a good idea.

I have, however, witnessed an awful lot of clinging to dead OSes, and some people are going to do it regardless of how bad an idea it is to do so.  But those programs that currently run under Win7 in their current versions will keep doing so for a very, very long time.

It still only makes sense, if one is sticking with a given OS ecosystem, to keep up-to-date with the latest version of that OS as a daily driver.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

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Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle Susan Morison
 


I'm not sure why they have "Sticky Keys" either.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 7:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle:
 
In the UK, the RIGHT ALT key, is a combinedALT+CTRL key. Being used to having an ALT on either side of the space bar, I always have a problem using a UK keyboard, because I have to keep remembering to move my right thumb to the left ALT key, in order to perform commands related to the left hand, for example, ALT+F and ALT+W, etc.
 
I would like to meet the idiots, who came up with that idea.
 
The question I have to ask, if two keys are to be combined on one key, then, what is the point of having a feature in Windows called "Sticky Keys".
 
Sincerely:
 
Dave Durber
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked to Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR, which I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
UNI044A
Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys under discussion.  This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's not a criticism).  Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard.   That is, unless they have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in which case you'd have to make certain that's been installed.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Dave Durber
 


Hello David:
 
Personally, I would never use the upgrade procedure to migrate from Windows 7 to Windows 10. I am not saying that for the most part and for most people the upgrade procedure worked as it should but, for me, if I am upgrading to a new version of Windows, I prefer to have a clean install.
 
I performed a new install of Windows 10 Pro on my HP laptop, which I purchased in 2012, , using my existing Windows 7 key to authorise the new installation of Windows 10. My laptop gets no warmer, than it did when running Windows 7 Professional.
 
Sincerely:
 
Dave Durber
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

If cost is a factor you might try and get government funding for a new computer.  There are places that give computers away to those in need.  However, when I took advantage of this, I got a refurbished windows 10 with 250 G internal hard drive. It was slower then molasses in January.  It was then I found out it was a windows 7, upgraded to windows 10. Thus, I scratched up the funds and converted my Mac Book pro, built in 012, to windows 10 and it is a lot faster. The other thing too, was the upgraded windows 7 would get hot within 20 minutes.  The tech said that was normal for an older computer. I did not expect the latest and greatest however, don’t give me a lame horse either.      

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: April 23, 2019 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

All the hype over security assumes someone wants to hack your system. Most of us don't have anything worth the trouble. In over 25yrs of surfing the net I have never been hacked or know anyone that has. Sure the kids got a virus or two over the years but nothing that really hurt anything and was removed without issue. I run a win 7 machine at the shop and it is not unstable at all. It is just as fast as win10 and doesn't break accessibility on a regular basis. So don't let them brow beat you into spending money you don't have on something you don't really need! I do use a win 10 machine at home and it is fine. Other than re-learning where they hide things on a regular basis it is not all that different than 7. Most of the built in things that aren't very accessible I use 3rd party programs for anyway.
Jaws is not going to stop working on win7 anytime soon either.
On 4/23/2019 9:48 AM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

I'm not willing to change my colors for anyone.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I agree with Brian, Windows 7 is a thing of the past and you really should make the jump to Windows 10 whenever it is that you get a new computer. Besides the fact that Windows 7 will have no more support in less than a year, Windows 10 at least by now is so superior to Windows 7 in almost any way, crashes which I had on a very regular bases with Windows 7 are probably reduced by 95% in Windows 10, it’s Stabil and fast and as Brian also said, all screenreader support and development is for Windows 10. You may like things others don’t have, but really, a floppy drive, I mean why on earth would you want a floppy drive? If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?

Also, you would be much better off with a 500 Gb or so SSD as your main system drive, then add a good quality hard drive with a larger capacity if you need lots of storage, the system performance will be double or better overall and if you want a fast system you really do need an SSD or your hard drive becomes the proverbial bottle neck in your nice new machine.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 


Re: Minitool Partition Wizard: Can it be Made Accessible?

 

Annabelle,

           Can you please describe what, exactly, it is that you're trying to accomplish in this case?   That can be very helpful in formulating an approach.

           There are all sorts of differences in what needs to happen depending on if you're extending an existing partition into unallocated space that's one thing, if you need to rearrange partitions in order to shrink or expand it gets (or can get) a lot more complicated.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Dave Durber
 


Hello George:
 
As much as I need to upgrade to Windows 10, my biggest concern is, that as a person who values his privacy, I do not like the fact that Microsoft are making it more and more difficult to turn off/disable, so many of the spying and tracking features which are attached to Windows 10. The one feature, which most of all  I would like to turn off/disable, is the sodding, annoying, interfering feature, Cortana.
 
If anyone knows how to make it, so that any and all searches I wish to perform on my Windows 10 machine, are restricted to my local machine, then I would be glad to hear from you. I can always use a search engine, such as Google or DuckDuckGo for internet searches.
 
Sincerely:
 
Dave Durber
 

----- Original Message -----
From: G. Gray
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I will weigh in on this, not trying to argue, but I had a windows XP computer I bought in 2004.  I used it until December 20, 2018 when it gave up the ghost   14 1/2 years with absolutely NO problems!    I used Viper and Firefox to access the web.  I used it for 14 years through Vista (which was terrible, windows 8, windows 8.1 and then Windows 7 with absolutely no problems even with no security updates.  I like Windows 7 and hope to use it a long time as well.  Windows 10 seems to have a lot of issues which of yet are not resolved....just my 2 cents.
 
George
 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys
 
On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 10:42 AM, John Covici wrote:
Problem is, after support ends you get no security updates, so you will be vulnerable to being hacked.
Indeed, and I was not trying to imply you wouldn't, nor that continuing to use Windows 7 is a good idea.

I have, however, witnessed an awful lot of clinging to dead OSes, and some people are going to do it regardless of how bad an idea it is to do so.  But those programs that currently run under Win7 in their current versions will keep doing so for a very, very long time.

It still only makes sense, if one is sticking with a given OS ecosystem, to keep up-to-date with the latest version of that OS as a daily driver.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 10:07 AM, Dave Durber wrote:
The question I have to ask, if two keys are to be combined on one key, then,
It's all in what you're used to.   When you have frequent need to insert accented characters of many sorts, as those living in Europe do, the ALT-GR key can be a godsend.

I'm sure that those used to having ALT-GR on their keyboards would be equally flummoxed by having two straight ALT keys, and find that "just plain stupid/unhelpful" in context.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Dave Durber
 


Annabelle:
 
In the UK, the RIGHT ALT key, is a combinedALT+CTRL key. Being used to having an ALT on either side of the space bar, I always have a problem using a UK keyboard, because I have to keep remembering to move my right thumb to the left ALT key, in order to perform commands related to the left hand, for example, ALT+F and ALT+W, etc.
 
I would like to meet the idiots, who came up with that idea.
 
The question I have to ask, if two keys are to be combined on one key, then, what is the point of having a feature in Windows called "Sticky Keys".
 
Sincerely:
 
Dave Durber
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked to Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR, which I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
UNI044A
Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys under discussion.  This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's not a criticism).  Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard.   That is, unless they have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in which case you'd have to make certain that's been installed.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Minitool Partition Wizard: Can it be Made Accessible?

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

Hi, it's Annabelle.
I'm trying out Minitool Partition Wizard, and it only seems to be somewhat accessible. The only part I can't seem to access is the list of disk drives. If anyone can tell me what is the best software for converting disk partitions without loss of data (formatting the disk), I would kindly appreciate it. What I know is, Minitool Partition Wizard can convert FAT32, Exfat, HFS, and NTFS between each other, as well as Convert MBR to GPT and Vice Versa. http://www.minitool.com


Re: test

Marty Hutchings
 

Got your message.
 
Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
 

Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 7:26 PM
Subject: test
 

test


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

David & his pack of dogs
 

Maybe it has had too much Kentucky sipping whisky?  LOL.  Just a little humor to throw on this flammable topic. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: April 24, 2019 11:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 02:37 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

You may communicate with the people in Kentucky who made the keyboard

Actually the best piece of advice, and something I would presume was the first step, but after seeing it realize it very well may not have been.

Something's afoot that's making this keyboard generate a character that is not actually shown on any of the images of said keyboard on the website, which does suggest it's some sort of optional feature that can be configured somehow.   If it's not, then they need to explain why the key is labeled ALT when it is not generating the same ALT as the other ALT key does.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell