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Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Randy Barnett
 

Sorry if this came across as negative. I didn't mean it that way. privacy is just something that I really don't think people understand right now. Knowledge is power and we are giving it all to profit driven corperations. I don't see that doing us any good.

On 4/25/2019 3:44 PM, Randy wrote:
Well, so being just as bad as the other guy makes it acceptable...
On 4/25/2019 3:41 PM, Dan Longmore wrote:

Cortana can be disabled.  Also, Microsoft is no more  invasive than Google which tracks so much through your browser.

 

Dan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 10:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Hello George:

 

As much as I need to upgrade to Windows 10, my biggest concern is, that as a person who values his privacy, I do not like the fact that Microsoft are making it more and more difficult to turn off/disable, so many of the spying and tracking features which are attached to Windows 10. The one feature, which most of all  I would like to turn off/disable, is the sodding, annoying, interfering feature, Cortana.

 

If anyone knows how to make it, so that any and all searches I wish to perform on my Windows 10 machine, are restricted to my local machine, then I would be glad to hear from you. I can always use a search engine, such as Google or DuckDuckGo for internet searches.

 

Sincerely:

 

Dave Durber

 

----- Original Message -----

From: G. Gray

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 4:32 PM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

I will weigh in on this, not trying to argue, but I had a windows XP computer I bought in 2004.  I used it until December 20, 2018 when it gave up the ghost   14 1/2 years with absolutely NO problems!    I used Viper and Firefox to access the web.  I used it for 14 years through Vista (which was terrible, windows 8, windows 8.1 and then Windows 7 with absolutely no problems even with no security updates.  I like Windows 7 and hope to use it a long time as well.  Windows 10 seems to have a lot of issues which of yet are not resolved....just my 2 cents.

 

George

 

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 10:21 AM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 10:42 AM, John Covici wrote:

Problem is, after support ends you get no security updates, so you will be vulnerable to being hacked.

Indeed, and I was not trying to imply you wouldn't, nor that continuing to use Windows 7 is a good idea.

I have, however, witnessed an awful lot of clinging to dead OSes, and some people are going to do it regardless of how bad an idea it is to do so.  But those programs that currently run under Win7 in their current versions will keep doing so for a very, very long time.

It still only makes sense, if one is sticking with a given OS ecosystem, to keep up-to-date with the latest version of that OS as a daily driver.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

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Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

The fact is that both Microsoft and Google give users the option to opt out of a very great deal of what they collect.  The default is "you're all in," but a quick web search turns up where to go either in one's Microsoft Account, or Google Account, to turn off almost all of it.

In the case of Google, if you're logged in to your Google Account:  https://myaccount.google.com/data-and-personalization

In the case of Microsoft:  https://account.microsoft.com/?ref=MeControl as well as cruising through your Privacy settings on your computer, too.

Companies are going to set defaults to their advantage, and always have.  Individuals should know this by now, and if it concerns them, take the steps to change those settings as close to possible as the way they'd like things as they can.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Randy Barnett
 

Well, so being just as bad as the other guy makes it acceptable...

On 4/25/2019 3:41 PM, Dan Longmore wrote:

Cortana can be disabled.  Also, Microsoft is no more  invasive than Google which tracks so much through your browser.

 

Dan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 10:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Hello George:

 

As much as I need to upgrade to Windows 10, my biggest concern is, that as a person who values his privacy, I do not like the fact that Microsoft are making it more and more difficult to turn off/disable, so many of the spying and tracking features which are attached to Windows 10. The one feature, which most of all  I would like to turn off/disable, is the sodding, annoying, interfering feature, Cortana.

 

If anyone knows how to make it, so that any and all searches I wish to perform on my Windows 10 machine, are restricted to my local machine, then I would be glad to hear from you. I can always use a search engine, such as Google or DuckDuckGo for internet searches.

 

Sincerely:

 

Dave Durber

 

----- Original Message -----

From: G. Gray

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 4:32 PM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

I will weigh in on this, not trying to argue, but I had a windows XP computer I bought in 2004.  I used it until December 20, 2018 when it gave up the ghost   14 1/2 years with absolutely NO problems!    I used Viper and Firefox to access the web.  I used it for 14 years through Vista (which was terrible, windows 8, windows 8.1 and then Windows 7 with absolutely no problems even with no security updates.  I like Windows 7 and hope to use it a long time as well.  Windows 10 seems to have a lot of issues which of yet are not resolved....just my 2 cents.

 

George

 

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 10:21 AM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 10:42 AM, John Covici wrote:

Problem is, after support ends you get no security updates, so you will be vulnerable to being hacked.

Indeed, and I was not trying to imply you wouldn't, nor that continuing to use Windows 7 is a good idea.

I have, however, witnessed an awful lot of clinging to dead OSes, and some people are going to do it regardless of how bad an idea it is to do so.  But those programs that currently run under Win7 in their current versions will keep doing so for a very, very long time.

It still only makes sense, if one is sticking with a given OS ecosystem, to keep up-to-date with the latest version of that OS as a daily driver.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com



Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Dan Longmore
 

Sticky keys can be beneficial in situations and with certain disabilities. 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 10:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Annabelle:

 

In the UK, the RIGHT ALT key, is a combinedALT+CTRL key. Being used to having an ALT on either side of the space bar, I always have a problem using a UK keyboard, because I have to keep remembering to move my right thumb to the left ALT key, in order to perform commands related to the left hand, for example, ALT+F and ALT+W, etc.

 

I would like to meet the idiots, who came up with that idea.

 

The question I have to ask, if two keys are to be combined on one key, then, what is the point of having a feature in Windows called "Sticky Keys".

 

Sincerely:

 

Dave Durber

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 8:13 PM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked to Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR, which I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

UNI044A

Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys under discussion.  This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's not a criticism).  Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard.   That is, unless they have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in which case you'd have to make certain that's been installed.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Dan Longmore
 

Cortana can be disabled.  Also, Microsoft is no more  invasive than Google which tracks so much through your browser.

 

Dan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 10:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Hello George:

 

As much as I need to upgrade to Windows 10, my biggest concern is, that as a person who values his privacy, I do not like the fact that Microsoft are making it more and more difficult to turn off/disable, so many of the spying and tracking features which are attached to Windows 10. The one feature, which most of all  I would like to turn off/disable, is the sodding, annoying, interfering feature, Cortana.

 

If anyone knows how to make it, so that any and all searches I wish to perform on my Windows 10 machine, are restricted to my local machine, then I would be glad to hear from you. I can always use a search engine, such as Google or DuckDuckGo for internet searches.

 

Sincerely:

 

Dave Durber

 

----- Original Message -----

From: G. Gray

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 4:32 PM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

I will weigh in on this, not trying to argue, but I had a windows XP computer I bought in 2004.  I used it until December 20, 2018 when it gave up the ghost   14 1/2 years with absolutely NO problems!    I used Viper and Firefox to access the web.  I used it for 14 years through Vista (which was terrible, windows 8, windows 8.1 and then Windows 7 with absolutely no problems even with no security updates.  I like Windows 7 and hope to use it a long time as well.  Windows 10 seems to have a lot of issues which of yet are not resolved....just my 2 cents.

 

George

 

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 10:21 AM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 10:42 AM, John Covici wrote:

Problem is, after support ends you get no security updates, so you will be vulnerable to being hacked.

Indeed, and I was not trying to imply you wouldn't, nor that continuing to use Windows 7 is a good idea.

I have, however, witnessed an awful lot of clinging to dead OSes, and some people are going to do it regardless of how bad an idea it is to do so.  But those programs that currently run under Win7 in their current versions will keep doing so for a very, very long time.

It still only makes sense, if one is sticking with a given OS ecosystem, to keep up-to-date with the latest version of that OS as a daily driver.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Marty Hutchings
 

No,  Not voice recognition.  There really is a device called a mouth stick.  It is held in the teeth for pressing keys on a keyboard.  Voice recognition is not perfect and requires editing occasionally.
 
Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
 

Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys
 
A mouth stick? Are you serious? I never knew you could use a computer with your mouth. I mean, I've known about voice recognition, if that's what you're thinking of.
 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 3:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Sticky keys allow my friend who is a quadrapolegic to use her computer with a mouth stick.  She can not hold down multiple keys while pressing another key.
 
Marty
 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys
 
I'm not sure why they have "Sticky Keys" either.
 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 7:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle:
 
In the UK, the RIGHT ALT key, is a combinedALT+CTRL key. Being used to having an ALT on either side of the space bar, I always have a problem using a UK keyboard, because I have to keep remembering to move my right thumb to the left ALT key, in order to perform commands related to the left hand, for example, ALT+F and ALT+W, etc.
 
I would like to meet the idiots, who came up with that idea.
 
The question I have to ask, if two keys are to be combined on one key, then, what is the point of having a feature in Windows called "Sticky Keys".
 
Sincerely:
 
Dave Durber
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys
 
It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked to Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR, which I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?
 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
UNI044A
Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys under discussion.  This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's not a criticism).  Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard.   That is, unless they have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in which case you'd have to make certain that's been installed.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: MS Office Programs Crashing Nearly Every Time I Close them

Dan Longmore
 

Brian,

  Would like to chat more about your “psychology of adultery” line at the end of your e-mail.  E-mail me if you care to.  All I can say is that our sexualized culture is in the mess it’s in because of lies like that one.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 1:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MS Office Programs Crashing Nearly Every Time I Close them

 

The first thing to do when this sort of thing happens with all programs in a suite is a repair install.


Repair an Office application - Office Support

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 06:19 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
A mouth stick? Are you serious? I never knew you could use a computer with your mouth.
There are lots of individuals who are quadriplegic who access keyboards with mouth sticks.   It's a slow method of direct access, but it remains direct access.  You just hold the stick in your teeth at one end and move it about the keyboard using whatever musculature you have at your disposal from the neck up that permits you to do so.

By comparison to eye-gaze systems it's very low tech, but it tends to be significantly faster as a character-by-character (or selection by selection - depending on context) access method.

This topic has meandered way more than most, and lots of the side loops are interesting, too.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Dan Longmore
 

Hi,

Just what he said.   A missionary whom I knew used the stick to control his computer and allow the speech to speak for him at conferences.  He had ALS. 

Technology is an amazing gift from God.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 6:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

A mouth stick? Are you serious? I never knew you could use a computer with your mouth. I mean, I've known about voice recognition, if that's what you're thinking of.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 3:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Sticky keys allow my friend who is a quadrapolegic to use her computer with a mouth stick.  She can not hold down multiple keys while pressing another key.

 

Marty

 

Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 9:51 AM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

I'm not sure why they have "Sticky Keys" either.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 7:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle:

 

In the UK, the RIGHT ALT key, is a combinedALT+CTRL key. Being used to having an ALT on either side of the space bar, I always have a problem using a UK keyboard, because I have to keep remembering to move my right thumb to the left ALT key, in order to perform commands related to the left hand, for example, ALT+F and ALT+W, etc.

 

I would like to meet the idiots, who came up with that idea.

 

The question I have to ask, if two keys are to be combined on one key, then, what is the point of having a feature in Windows called "Sticky Keys".

 

Sincerely:

 

Dave Durber

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 8:13 PM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked to Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR, which I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

UNI044A

Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys under discussion.  This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's not a criticism).  Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard.   That is, unless they have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in which case you'd have to make certain that's been installed.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle Susan Morison
 


A mouth stick? Are you serious? I never knew you could use a computer with your mouth. I mean, I've known about voice recognition, if that's what you're thinking of.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 3:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Sticky keys allow my friend who is a quadrapolegic to use her computer with a mouth stick.  She can not hold down multiple keys while pressing another key.
 
Marty
 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys
 
I'm not sure why they have "Sticky Keys" either.
 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 7:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle:
 
In the UK, the RIGHT ALT key, is a combinedALT+CTRL key. Being used to having an ALT on either side of the space bar, I always have a problem using a UK keyboard, because I have to keep remembering to move my right thumb to the left ALT key, in order to perform commands related to the left hand, for example, ALT+F and ALT+W, etc.
 
I would like to meet the idiots, who came up with that idea.
 
The question I have to ask, if two keys are to be combined on one key, then, what is the point of having a feature in Windows called "Sticky Keys".
 
Sincerely:
 
Dave Durber
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys
 
It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked to Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR, which I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?
 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
UNI044A
Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys under discussion.  This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's not a criticism).  Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard.   That is, unless they have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in which case you'd have to make certain that's been installed.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Marty Hutchings
 

Sticky keys allow my friend who is a quadrapolegic to use her computer with a mouth stick.  She can not hold down multiple keys while pressing another key.
 
Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
 

Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys
 
I'm not sure why they have "Sticky Keys" either.
 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 7:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle:
 
In the UK, the RIGHT ALT key, is a combinedALT+CTRL key. Being used to having an ALT on either side of the space bar, I always have a problem using a UK keyboard, because I have to keep remembering to move my right thumb to the left ALT key, in order to perform commands related to the left hand, for example, ALT+F and ALT+W, etc.
 
I would like to meet the idiots, who came up with that idea.
 
The question I have to ask, if two keys are to be combined on one key, then, what is the point of having a feature in Windows called "Sticky Keys".
 
Sincerely:
 
Dave Durber
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys
 
It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked to Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR, which I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?
 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
UNI044A
Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys under discussion.  This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's not a criticism).  Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard.   That is, unless they have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in which case you'd have to make certain that's been installed.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Randy Barnett
 

We know it is a keyboard specific problem as it is a European style board that uses the alt gr for the right alt key. This is a modifier key for foreign languages. It is hardwired into the keyboard and yu have to use the ctrl + shift  workaround to get it to work like a U.S. keyboard. And no she doesnt want to get rid of her verry nice and expensive keyboard.

On 4/25/2019 8:29 AM, Dave Durber wrote:
Hello Annabelle:
 
Do you have more than one computer, if so, have you tried the keyboard on it or them?
 
Have you tried the keyboard on another computer that is not yours?
 
Sincerely:
 
Dave Durber
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

No, just on occasion. However, I did try Control+shift, and that fixed it. The problem is, I have to do this in every program I run. What's up with that, I wonder?


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 8:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Hello Annabell:
 
Does the problem you are having, happen on a day-by-day basis, in every session of Windows you run?
 
Sincerely
 
dave durber
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 2:23 AM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I did try that, and that's when Alt, Control, and Shift start behaving as though all three are being typed together with any other key.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 5:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Hi, Annabelle. It's OK, some people are just victims of corporate programming telling them they have to have the latest greatest new thing to be functional safe happy adults. Even if that doesnt make them act like one... Smiley Face.
I may have missed it but did you try the ctrl + shift to disable alt gr?
On 4/23/2019 5:12 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
Yeah, all I ask is for some help with this strange behavior with Alt keys in JAWS, , and I get attacked by Marty's signature with its religious talk (I'm not religious, thank you), as well as other things too horrible to mention. And David, you don't need to use my full name, it makes you sound like you're mad at me. I'm not your daughter and you're not my father. I would appreciate if everybody please call me Annabelle. So, back to where we started. What do I do to fix the Right Alt key? Is there a way to make it behave like the Left Alt key? I mean, Left and Right Shift keys behave the same for the most part. Why not the Alt keys?


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 4:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

This is turning into a personal attack... Not cool...
On 4/23/2019 3:53 PM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

I agree with Annabelle.  Why use an electric stove, when cooking over an open fire works.  Why ride in a vehicle when you can ride on a horse.  Why ride a horse when you can walk. Why walk with shoes when walking bare foot is cheaper.   You get my meaning of course. Some love living in the past which in some ways is not that bad.  Where it becomes bad is when they refuse to move forward in their thinking and complain about everything new. To quote Annabelle, I  am not changing my colours for anyone. One should not complain about the health of a horse when they know it is very old. They should also not complain and expect the old horse to still function like a younger horse. Brian, I think you need to help Annabelle and do like some dog trainers do.  Take the clients money then tell them their dog is beyond hope and they should just put him or her down.    

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: April 23, 2019 3:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Not even for yourself?  I too was a big fan of XP and am currently a Windows 7 user, but I know that all good things must come to an end and so I will have to move on to Windows 10.  They say that it is better and more stable, but there is a learning curv and the older I get, I just don’t have time for that.  I wish that if something was not broken, that no one would fix it.  By the way, When did this topic get hijacked?

Marty

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 11:48 AM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I'm not willing to change my colors for anyone.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I agree with Brian, Windows 7 is a thing of the past and you really should make the jump to Windows 10 whenever it is that you get a new computer. Besides the fact that Windows 7 will have no more support in less than a year, Windows 10 at least by now is so superior to Windows 7 in almost any way, crashes which I had on a very regular bases with Windows 7 are probably reduced by 95% in Windows 10, it’s Stabil and fast and as Brian also said, all screenreader support and development is for Windows 10. You may like things others don’t have, but really, a floppy drive, I mean why on earth would you want a floppy drive? If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?

Also, you would be much better off with a 500 Gb or so SSD as your main system drive, then add a good quality hard drive with a larger capacity if you need lots of storage, the system performance will be double or better overall and if you want a fast system you really do need an SSD or your hard drive becomes the proverbial bottle neck in your nice new machine.

Regards,

Sieghard

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell





Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Randy Barnett
 

So you got that figured out. Glad I could help. Smiley Face

On 4/25/2019 8:21 AM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
No, just on occasion. However, I did try Control+shift, and that fixed it. The problem is, I have to do this in every program I run. What's up with that, I wonder?


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 8:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Hello Annabell:
 
Does the problem you are having, happen on a day-by-day basis, in every session of Windows you run?
 
Sincerely
 
dave durber
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 2:23 AM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I did try that, and that's when Alt, Control, and Shift start behaving as though all three are being typed together with any other key.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 5:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Hi, Annabelle. It's OK, some people are just victims of corporate programming telling them they have to have the latest greatest new thing to be functional safe happy adults. Even if that doesnt make them act like one... Smiley Face.
I may have missed it but did you try the ctrl + shift to disable alt gr?
On 4/23/2019 5:12 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
Yeah, all I ask is for some help with this strange behavior with Alt keys in JAWS, , and I get attacked by Marty's signature with its religious talk (I'm not religious, thank you), as well as other things too horrible to mention. And David, you don't need to use my full name, it makes you sound like you're mad at me. I'm not your daughter and you're not my father. I would appreciate if everybody please call me Annabelle. So, back to where we started. What do I do to fix the Right Alt key? Is there a way to make it behave like the Left Alt key? I mean, Left and Right Shift keys behave the same for the most part. Why not the Alt keys?


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 4:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

This is turning into a personal attack... Not cool...
On 4/23/2019 3:53 PM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

I agree with Annabelle.  Why use an electric stove, when cooking over an open fire works.  Why ride in a vehicle when you can ride on a horse.  Why ride a horse when you can walk. Why walk with shoes when walking bare foot is cheaper.   You get my meaning of course. Some love living in the past which in some ways is not that bad.  Where it becomes bad is when they refuse to move forward in their thinking and complain about everything new. To quote Annabelle, I  am not changing my colours for anyone. One should not complain about the health of a horse when they know it is very old. They should also not complain and expect the old horse to still function like a younger horse. Brian, I think you need to help Annabelle and do like some dog trainers do.  Take the clients money then tell them their dog is beyond hope and they should just put him or her down.    

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: April 23, 2019 3:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Not even for yourself?  I too was a big fan of XP and am currently a Windows 7 user, but I know that all good things must come to an end and so I will have to move on to Windows 10.  They say that it is better and more stable, but there is a learning curv and the older I get, I just don’t have time for that.  I wish that if something was not broken, that no one would fix it.  By the way, When did this topic get hijacked?

Marty

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 11:48 AM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I'm not willing to change my colors for anyone.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I agree with Brian, Windows 7 is a thing of the past and you really should make the jump to Windows 10 whenever it is that you get a new computer. Besides the fact that Windows 7 will have no more support in less than a year, Windows 10 at least by now is so superior to Windows 7 in almost any way, crashes which I had on a very regular bases with Windows 7 are probably reduced by 95% in Windows 10, it’s Stabil and fast and as Brian also said, all screenreader support and development is for Windows 10. You may like things others don’t have, but really, a floppy drive, I mean why on earth would you want a floppy drive? If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?

Also, you would be much better off with a 500 Gb or so SSD as your main system drive, then add a good quality hard drive with a larger capacity if you need lots of storage, the system performance will be double or better overall and if you want a fast system you really do need an SSD or your hard drive becomes the proverbial bottle neck in your nice new machine.

Regards,

Sieghard

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell





Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Randy Barnett
 

I second this. It is a great tool and I never have to deal with cortana!

On 4/25/2019 8:08 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 10:33 AM, Dave Durber wrote:
The one feature, which most of all  I would like to turn off/disable, is the sodding, annoying, interfering feature, Cortana.
I dislike Cortana probably as much as you do.   That being said, one can completely avoid using Cortana and even in her "neutered form" on my machines I very, very seldom do except when I need to search for something based upon file contents rather than file name, which is my norm.   If you're someone who routinely searches for content by file name, then the first thing you should do, whether on Windows 10 or not, is install the Everything Search tool from voidtools.com.   It's what I use for searching my machines as my primary tool, and that includes on Windows 7 machines, too.   There is a portable and installable version, but since I use it multiple times per day and want the index it creates to be updated as files get added/removed, I use the installable version.   It indexes only on file name, and you can control where it looks to create its index.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell



Re: MS Office Programs Crashing Nearly Every Time I Close them

 

The first thing to do when this sort of thing happens with all programs in a suite is a repair install.

Repair an Office application - Office Support

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


MS Office Programs Crashing Nearly Every Time I Close them

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi!

 

I am using JAWS 2019, MS Office 2016 and Windows 7, all latest updates and all 64 bit.  Nearly every time I close any of these programs (e.g., Excel, Outlook, etc.) the program crashes.  And, this happens whether I close the program by alt+F4 or via an alt+spacebar+close action.  Does anyone else have this experience too?  Is there a solution?

 

Thanks,

Richard


wireless keyboard Re: $100 for a new computer?

Robert Logue
 

I have the Logitech g613 wireless gaming keyboard.  I like it.


The bad:

Reviewers say the mechanical keys are not as good as the best available.

The software to create macro keys is not intuitive but the latest version is at least accessible.


It is heavy.


I like; the very fast action.


I can control 2 different computers. One using the proprietary USB dong.e and the other through Bluetooth.

Both work real well without the problems I had with other wireless keyboards.  It works without dropouts and repeats even in the worst positions in my home for wireless reception.


It is also easier on my hands.  I have some RSI and find this works the best of any keyboard I've owned.  I can type longer and with fewer mistakes with less discomfort.

I had a ergonomic keyboard but it was not comfortable for me.


Another plus for me is that it uses standard batteries. I use rechargeable Eneloop batteries that hold their charge for a very long time and without developing memory problems. Much better than having to buy a new device when the internal lithium batteries stop working in just a few years.


The real reason I have the g613 is because I wanted a wireless keyboard with every key, especially the context or access key; which is missing from most keyboards now.

It was the only model in the store that had this key so I took it even though it doesn't get the highest praise for it's keys.  I'm so glad I did because the action feels very good to me.


This turned out to be a review.  It was prompted inspired by the original thread but makes no comment on that thread.


Bob


thunderbird script for 60.6

netbat66
 

hi,

does anyone have a script to make the address book import screen talk?

when you try to import an address book from wlm virtually nothing talks as is.

i can get as far as where you have to line up the feilds      but there is little speech to do this.

only the move up or down, the o k, next and previous buttons. i haven't been able to get anything else to talk on this screen. i don't have any problems with the rest of thunderbird so far.

thanks for any help.


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Dave Durber
 


Hello Annabelle:
 
Do you have more than one computer, if so, have you tried the keyboard on it or them?
 
Have you tried the keyboard on another computer that is not yours?
 
Sincerely:
 
Dave Durber
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

No, just on occasion. However, I did try Control+shift, and that fixed it. The problem is, I have to do this in every program I run. What's up with that, I wonder?


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 8:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Hello Annabell:
 
Does the problem you are having, happen on a day-by-day basis, in every session of Windows you run?
 
Sincerely
 
dave durber
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 2:23 AM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I did try that, and that's when Alt, Control, and Shift start behaving as though all three are being typed together with any other key.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 5:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Hi, Annabelle. It's OK, some people are just victims of corporate programming telling them they have to have the latest greatest new thing to be functional safe happy adults. Even if that doesnt make them act like one... Smiley Face.
I may have missed it but did you try the ctrl + shift to disable alt gr?
On 4/23/2019 5:12 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
Yeah, all I ask is for some help with this strange behavior with Alt keys in JAWS, , and I get attacked by Marty's signature with its religious talk (I'm not religious, thank you), as well as other things too horrible to mention. And David, you don't need to use my full name, it makes you sound like you're mad at me. I'm not your daughter and you're not my father. I would appreciate if everybody please call me Annabelle. So, back to where we started. What do I do to fix the Right Alt key? Is there a way to make it behave like the Left Alt key? I mean, Left and Right Shift keys behave the same for the most part. Why not the Alt keys?


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 4:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

This is turning into a personal attack... Not cool...
On 4/23/2019 3:53 PM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

I agree with Annabelle.  Why use an electric stove, when cooking over an open fire works.  Why ride in a vehicle when you can ride on a horse.  Why ride a horse when you can walk. Why walk with shoes when walking bare foot is cheaper.   You get my meaning of course. Some love living in the past which in some ways is not that bad.  Where it becomes bad is when they refuse to move forward in their thinking and complain about everything new. To quote Annabelle, I  am not changing my colours for anyone. One should not complain about the health of a horse when they know it is very old. They should also not complain and expect the old horse to still function like a younger horse. Brian, I think you need to help Annabelle and do like some dog trainers do.  Take the clients money then tell them their dog is beyond hope and they should just put him or her down.    

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: April 23, 2019 3:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Not even for yourself?  I too was a big fan of XP and am currently a Windows 7 user, but I know that all good things must come to an end and so I will have to move on to Windows 10.  They say that it is better and more stable, but there is a learning curv and the older I get, I just don’t have time for that.  I wish that if something was not broken, that no one would fix it.  By the way, When did this topic get hijacked?

Marty

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 11:48 AM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I'm not willing to change my colors for anyone.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I agree with Brian, Windows 7 is a thing of the past and you really should make the jump to Windows 10 whenever it is that you get a new computer. Besides the fact that Windows 7 will have no more support in less than a year, Windows 10 at least by now is so superior to Windows 7 in almost any way, crashes which I had on a very regular bases with Windows 7 are probably reduced by 95% in Windows 10, it’s Stabil and fast and as Brian also said, all screenreader support and development is for Windows 10. You may like things others don’t have, but really, a floppy drive, I mean why on earth would you want a floppy drive? If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?

Also, you would be much better off with a 500 Gb or so SSD as your main system drive, then add a good quality hard drive with a larger capacity if you need lots of storage, the system performance will be double or better overall and if you want a fast system you really do need an SSD or your hard drive becomes the proverbial bottle neck in your nice new machine.

Regards,

Sieghard

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell




Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle Susan Morison
 


No, just on occasion. However, I did try Control+shift, and that fixed it. The problem is, I have to do this in every program I run. What's up with that, I wonder?



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 8:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Hello Annabell:
 
Does the problem you are having, happen on a day-by-day basis, in every session of Windows you run?
 
Sincerely
 
dave durber
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 2:23 AM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I did try that, and that's when Alt, Control, and Shift start behaving as though all three are being typed together with any other key.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 5:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Hi, Annabelle. It's OK, some people are just victims of corporate programming telling them they have to have the latest greatest new thing to be functional safe happy adults. Even if that doesnt make them act like one... Smiley Face.
I may have missed it but did you try the ctrl + shift to disable alt gr?
On 4/23/2019 5:12 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
Yeah, all I ask is for some help with this strange behavior with Alt keys in JAWS, , and I get attacked by Marty's signature with its religious talk (I'm not religious, thank you), as well as other things too horrible to mention. And David, you don't need to use my full name, it makes you sound like you're mad at me. I'm not your daughter and you're not my father. I would appreciate if everybody please call me Annabelle. So, back to where we started. What do I do to fix the Right Alt key? Is there a way to make it behave like the Left Alt key? I mean, Left and Right Shift keys behave the same for the most part. Why not the Alt keys?


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 4:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

This is turning into a personal attack... Not cool...
On 4/23/2019 3:53 PM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

I agree with Annabelle.  Why use an electric stove, when cooking over an open fire works.  Why ride in a vehicle when you can ride on a horse.  Why ride a horse when you can walk. Why walk with shoes when walking bare foot is cheaper.   You get my meaning of course. Some love living in the past which in some ways is not that bad.  Where it becomes bad is when they refuse to move forward in their thinking and complain about everything new. To quote Annabelle, I  am not changing my colours for anyone. One should not complain about the health of a horse when they know it is very old. They should also not complain and expect the old horse to still function like a younger horse. Brian, I think you need to help Annabelle and do like some dog trainers do.  Take the clients money then tell them their dog is beyond hope and they should just put him or her down.    

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: April 23, 2019 3:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Not even for yourself?  I too was a big fan of XP and am currently a Windows 7 user, but I know that all good things must come to an end and so I will have to move on to Windows 10.  They say that it is better and more stable, but there is a learning curv and the older I get, I just don’t have time for that.  I wish that if something was not broken, that no one would fix it.  By the way, When did this topic get hijacked?

Marty

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 11:48 AM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I'm not willing to change my colors for anyone.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I agree with Brian, Windows 7 is a thing of the past and you really should make the jump to Windows 10 whenever it is that you get a new computer. Besides the fact that Windows 7 will have no more support in less than a year, Windows 10 at least by now is so superior to Windows 7 in almost any way, crashes which I had on a very regular bases with Windows 7 are probably reduced by 95% in Windows 10, it’s Stabil and fast and as Brian also said, all screenreader support and development is for Windows 10. You may like things others don’t have, but really, a floppy drive, I mean why on earth would you want a floppy drive? If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?

Also, you would be much better off with a 500 Gb or so SSD as your main system drive, then add a good quality hard drive with a larger capacity if you need lots of storage, the system performance will be double or better overall and if you want a fast system you really do need an SSD or your hard drive becomes the proverbial bottle neck in your nice new machine.

Regards,

Sieghard

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
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