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Re: Used computer
Hi Dave, Did you just copy the ISO onto the disk, or did you use a burning software utility to burn the ISO. Also, it does take a long time to boot because it has to find all the drivers for any given computer as it loads. But if the disk drive is not doing anything, I'm sure you know something isn't right. It's possible the image is corrupt, it would help if anyone else here got it to work to know for sure. The size on mine reads 1.28 GB. Glenn
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@gmail.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 11:18 AM Subject: Re: Used computer Hello Glen:
I do not know if anybody else will have the same problem as I did.
I Downloaded the 64 bit .iso file from the link you provided
Unfortunately, when I created a USB bootable media from the .iso file, and plugged it into my laptop and turned it on, nothing happened, it did not boot.
Dave Durber
----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn / Lenny" <glennervin@cableone.net> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 1:39 AM Subject: Re: Used computer
Sorry for the mix-up, but here's the 64 bit one. BTW, other than installing Windows, most things would work the same if your computer is a 64 bit, so for many things the first link is useful too. https://od.lk/d/N18xNjUxMDQ1Nzhf/Win10PE_x64.ISO Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn / Lenny" <glennervin@cableone.net> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 6:59 PM Subject: Re: Used computer
Shoot, then I copied the wrong link, I'll send another. I have to upload it to OD, I thought I had put it up there, but it's only on my computer. The 64 has an X in the name too, and I wasn't paying enough attention. As soon as it gets finished uploading, I'll send the link. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@live.ca> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Used computer
Your link contains " Win10PE_x86.ISO" which would indicate it's a 32 bit version since normally X64 indicates a 64 bit version.
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 4:02 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Used computer
It's 64 bit, but I may have a 32 bit if anyone has to have it. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Bentley" <bentleyj1952@att.net> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 5:48 PM Subject: Re: Used computer
Hi Glen,
Is this download that you posted for Win10 32 bit?
If so, do you have this PE in Win10 64 bit?
Regards,
James B
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 4:00 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Used computer
Marty, I put the Windows 10 Win PE in my Open Drive. Here's a download link: https://od.lk/d/N18xNjQyNDQ5Mjdf/Win10PE_x86.ISO It is a version of windows that loads into RAM and you can even remove the boot media after it starts. With this you can do repairs or install Windows, get on-line and even listen
to audio. It also has a network scanner in this version to help you get on-line. You just cannot install to it because it will be gone on next boot-up. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marty Hutchings" <mhutchings152730@gmail.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:47 PM Subject: Re: Used computer
Please pardon my ignorance here, but what is talking Win PE and how do I get it?
Love in Christ Marty For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. Ephesians 6:12, 13 -----Original Message----- From: Glenn / Lenny Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:31 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Used computer
If you burn the talking Win PE to disk or USB and boot up, you can detect all the passwords on your computer with a tool that is on it. That is the Win PE with eSpeak, not the one with Eloquence. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@live.ca> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:28 PM Subject: Re: Used computer
Yes, no password can be bypassed by taking out a small piece. I still would like to know about Windows passwords and if they can really be discovered as easily as Glen and some others here say they can. As for Apple, what was said is correct. This case was when those two people shot and killed a bunch of people during this Christmas party I think in California and I think it was now 2 years ago or maybe even 3. Apple said they can't get into the iPhone which, by the way, was not as secure as today's iPhones are, and I think the FBI hired some Israeli company who tried to get in, millions were spent and I honestly can't remember if they succeeded or not. As for the Face Id thing and a thief pointing it at you that is only correct to some degree. If somebody snatched your iPhone and stuck around all you would have to do is cover your Face with your hands if you are worried. At the same time if a thief stuck around they could just as easily grab your hand and put your finger on the Touch Id home button or, even better, ask you for the passcode. If somebody is that callus I doubt a lot of people would keep their passcode to themselves after a few slaps or punches or being shoved to the ground and kicked a few times which some such thieves probably have few scruples to do. The fact is that even if he can unlock your phone once with Face Id, he has to make sure it doesn't lock and having unlocked it with Face Id or Touch Id won't do them any good if they want to reset the phone to sell it or even if they want to get into it and disable or change the Face Id/Touch Id/PIN option. As soon as you go to Settings > Passcode you have to enter you passcode. Apple security is indeed very good, even if your phone was stolen and they have your PIN, you could wipe the phone and permanently disable it if you quickly log into iCloud and Find My iPhone also cannot be disabled without the passcode, the only way to stop it from working is to turn off the phone.
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:09 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Used computer
So would I.
Love in Christ Marty For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. Ephesians 6:12, 13 -----Original Message----- From: Dave Durber Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:19 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Used computer
I would love to know what that computer tech meant by taking out a small piece! ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@outlook.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 6:28 PM Subject: Re: Used computer
This entire security thing seems as farcical as face I D on iPhones. In order to get into your iPhone all the thief needs to do is point the device at you and poof he or she can use your device. I'm sure I am wrong but a computer tech told me years ago all one needs to do to use a password protected computer is take out a small piece and then anyone can use it after that.
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ratshtron Sent: November 16, 2019 8:17 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Used computer
try looking for a software called konboot that should allow you to log in to those accounts with a password and remove them I think. otherwise you may have to re--install windows thus removing everything on the system and starting from scratch.
Legend has it that on Friday 11/15/2019 10:23 PM, Marty Hutchings said: ----------------------------------------
I have a used computer that a neighbor gave me. It is a Windows7 OS. It has 3 password protected user accounts on it that are using 2/3 of the hard drive space. I don't know the passwords. Is there any way that I can remove these accounts? Can this computer be restored to factory fresh without a Windows 7 disk?
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Re: Used computer
Did you change the bios to boot from the USB?
Love in Christ Marty For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. Ephesians 6:12, 13
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-----Original Message----- From: Dave Durber Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 11:18 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Used computer Hello Glen: I do not know if anybody else will have the same problem as I did. I Downloaded the 64 bit .iso file from the link you provided Unfortunately, when I created a USB bootable media from the .iso file, and plugged it into my laptop and turned it on, nothing happened, it did not boot. Dave Durber ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn / Lenny" <glennervin@cableone.net> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 1:39 AM Subject: Re: Used computer Sorry for the mix-up, but here's the 64 bit one. BTW, other than installing Windows, most things would work the same if your computer is a 64 bit, so for many things the first link is useful too. https://od.lk/d/N18xNjUxMDQ1Nzhf/Win10PE_x64.ISO Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn / Lenny" <glennervin@cableone.net> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 6:59 PM Subject: Re: Used computer
Shoot, then I copied the wrong link, I'll send another. I have to upload it to OD, I thought I had put it up there, but it's only on my computer. The 64 has an X in the name too, and I wasn't paying enough attention. As soon as it gets finished uploading, I'll send the link. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@live.ca> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Used computer
Your link contains " Win10PE_x86.ISO" which would indicate it's a 32 bit version since normally X64 indicates a 64 bit version.
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 4:02 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Used computer
It's 64 bit, but I may have a 32 bit if anyone has to have it. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Bentley" <bentleyj1952@att.net> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 5:48 PM Subject: Re: Used computer
Hi Glen,
Is this download that you posted for Win10 32 bit?
If so, do you have this PE in Win10 64 bit?
Regards,
James B
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 4:00 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Used computer
Marty, I put the Windows 10 Win PE in my Open Drive. Here's a download link: https://od.lk/d/N18xNjQyNDQ5Mjdf/Win10PE_x86.ISO It is a version of windows that loads into RAM and you can even remove the boot media after it starts. With this you can do repairs or install Windows, get on-line and even listen
to audio. It also has a network scanner in this version to help you get on-line. You just cannot install to it because it will be gone on next boot-up. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marty Hutchings" <mhutchings152730@gmail.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:47 PM Subject: Re: Used computer
Please pardon my ignorance here, but what is talking Win PE and how do I get it?
Love in Christ Marty For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. Ephesians 6:12, 13 -----Original Message----- From: Glenn / Lenny Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:31 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Used computer
If you burn the talking Win PE to disk or USB and boot up, you can detect all the passwords on your computer with a tool that is on it. That is the Win PE with eSpeak, not the one with Eloquence. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@live.ca> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:28 PM Subject: Re: Used computer
Yes, no password can be bypassed by taking out a small piece. I still would like to know about Windows passwords and if they can really be discovered as easily as Glen and some others here say they can. As for Apple, what was said is correct. This case was when those two people shot and killed a bunch of people during this Christmas party I think in California and I think it was now 2 years ago or maybe even 3. Apple said they can't get into the iPhone which, by the way, was not as secure as today's iPhones are, and I think the FBI hired some Israeli company who tried to get in, millions were spent and I honestly can't remember if they succeeded or not. As for the Face Id thing and a thief pointing it at you that is only correct to some degree. If somebody snatched your iPhone and stuck around all you would have to do is cover your Face with your hands if you are worried. At the same time if a thief stuck around they could just as easily grab your hand and put your finger on the Touch Id home button or, even better, ask you for the passcode. If somebody is that callus I doubt a lot of people would keep their passcode to themselves after a few slaps or punches or being shoved to the ground and kicked a few times which some such thieves probably have few scruples to do. The fact is that even if he can unlock your phone once with Face Id, he has to make sure it doesn't lock and having unlocked it with Face Id or Touch Id won't do them any good if they want to reset the phone to sell it or even if they want to get into it and disable or change the Face Id/Touch Id/PIN option. As soon as you go to Settings > Passcode you have to enter you passcode. Apple security is indeed very good, even if your phone was stolen and they have your PIN, you could wipe the phone and permanently disable it if you quickly log into iCloud and Find My iPhone also cannot be disabled without the passcode, the only way to stop it from working is to turn off the phone.
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:09 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Used computer
So would I.
Love in Christ Marty For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. Ephesians 6:12, 13 -----Original Message----- From: Dave Durber Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:19 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Used computer
I would love to know what that computer tech meant by taking out a small piece! ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@outlook.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 6:28 PM Subject: Re: Used computer
This entire security thing seems as farcical as face I D on iPhones. In order to get into your iPhone all the thief needs to do is point the device at you and poof he or she can use your device. I'm sure I am wrong but a computer tech told me years ago all one needs to do to use a password protected computer is take out a small piece and then anyone can use it after that.
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ratshtron Sent: November 16, 2019 8:17 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Used computer
try looking for a software called konboot that should allow you to log in to those accounts with a password and remove them I think. otherwise you may have to re--install windows thus removing everything on the system and starting from scratch.
Legend has it that on Friday 11/15/2019 10:23 PM, Marty Hutchings said: ----------------------------------------
I have a used computer that a neighbor gave me. It is a Windows7 OS. It has 3 password protected user accounts on it that are using 2/3 of the hard drive space. I don't know the passwords. Is there any way that I can remove these accounts? Can this computer be restored to factory fresh without a Windows 7 disk?
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Re: Used computer
Hello Glen:
I do not know if anybody else will have the same problem as I did.
I Downloaded the 64 bit .iso file from the link you provided
Unfortunately, when I created a USB bootable media from the .iso file, and plugged it into my laptop and turned it on, nothing happened, it did not boot.
Dave Durber
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn / Lenny" <glennervin@cableone.net> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 1:39 AM Subject: Re: Used computer Sorry for the mix-up, but here's the 64 bit one. BTW, other than installing Windows, most things would work the same if your computer is a 64 bit, so for many things the first link is useful too. https://od.lk/d/N18xNjUxMDQ1Nzhf/Win10PE_x64.ISO Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn / Lenny" <glennervin@cableone.net> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 6:59 PM Subject: Re: Used computer
Shoot, then I copied the wrong link, I'll send another. I have to upload it to OD, I thought I had put it up there, but it's only on my computer. The 64 has an X in the name too, and I wasn't paying enough attention. As soon as it gets finished uploading, I'll send the link. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@live.ca> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Used computer
Your link contains " Win10PE_x86.ISO" which would indicate it's a 32 bit version since normally X64 indicates a 64 bit version.
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 4:02 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Used computer
It's 64 bit, but I may have a 32 bit if anyone has to have it. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Bentley" <bentleyj1952@att.net> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 5:48 PM Subject: Re: Used computer
Hi Glen,
Is this download that you posted for Win10 32 bit?
If so, do you have this PE in Win10 64 bit?
Regards,
James B
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 4:00 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Used computer
Marty, I put the Windows 10 Win PE in my Open Drive. Here's a download link: https://od.lk/d/N18xNjQyNDQ5Mjdf/Win10PE_x86.ISO It is a version of windows that loads into RAM and you can even remove the boot media after it starts. With this you can do repairs or install Windows, get on-line and even listen
to audio. It also has a network scanner in this version to help you get on-line. You just cannot install to it because it will be gone on next boot-up. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marty Hutchings" <mhutchings152730@gmail.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:47 PM Subject: Re: Used computer
Please pardon my ignorance here, but what is talking Win PE and how do I get it?
Love in Christ Marty For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. Ephesians 6:12, 13 -----Original Message----- From: Glenn / Lenny Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:31 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Used computer
If you burn the talking Win PE to disk or USB and boot up, you can detect all the passwords on your computer with a tool that is on it. That is the Win PE with eSpeak, not the one with Eloquence. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@live.ca> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:28 PM Subject: Re: Used computer
Yes, no password can be bypassed by taking out a small piece. I still would like to know about Windows passwords and if they can really be discovered as easily as Glen and some others here say they can. As for Apple, what was said is correct. This case was when those two people shot and killed a bunch of people during this Christmas party I think in California and I think it was now 2 years ago or maybe even 3. Apple said they can't get into the iPhone which, by the way, was not as secure as today's iPhones are, and I think the FBI hired some Israeli company who tried to get in, millions were spent and I honestly can't remember if they succeeded or not. As for the Face Id thing and a thief pointing it at you that is only correct to some degree. If somebody snatched your iPhone and stuck around all you would have to do is cover your Face with your hands if you are worried. At the same time if a thief stuck around they could just as easily grab your hand and put your finger on the Touch Id home button or, even better, ask you for the passcode. If somebody is that callus I doubt a lot of people would keep their passcode to themselves after a few slaps or punches or being shoved to the ground and kicked a few times which some such thieves probably have few scruples to do. The fact is that even if he can unlock your phone once with Face Id, he has to make sure it doesn't lock and having unlocked it with Face Id or Touch Id won't do them any good if they want to reset the phone to sell it or even if they want to get into it and disable or change the Face Id/Touch Id/PIN option. As soon as you go to Settings > Passcode you have to enter you passcode. Apple security is indeed very good, even if your phone was stolen and they have your PIN, you could wipe the phone and permanently disable it if you quickly log into iCloud and Find My iPhone also cannot be disabled without the passcode, the only way to stop it from working is to turn off the phone.
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:09 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Used computer
So would I.
Love in Christ Marty For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. Ephesians 6:12, 13 -----Original Message----- From: Dave Durber Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:19 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Used computer
I would love to know what that computer tech meant by taking out a small piece! ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@outlook.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 6:28 PM Subject: Re: Used computer
This entire security thing seems as farcical as face I D on iPhones. In order to get into your iPhone all the thief needs to do is point the device at you and poof he or she can use your device. I'm sure I am wrong but a computer tech told me years ago all one needs to do to use a password protected computer is take out a small piece and then anyone can use it after that.
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ratshtron Sent: November 16, 2019 8:17 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Used computer
try looking for a software called konboot that should allow you to log in to those accounts with a password and remove them I think. otherwise you may have to re--install windows thus removing everything on the system and starting from scratch.
Legend has it that on Friday 11/15/2019 10:23 PM, Marty Hutchings said: ----------------------------------------
I have a used computer that a neighbor gave me. It is a Windows7 OS. It has 3 password protected user accounts on it that are using 2/3 of the hard drive space. I don't know the passwords. Is there any way that I can remove these accounts? Can this computer be restored to factory fresh without a Windows 7 disk?
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Hi, An important question: which Edge is this? If EdgeHTML, I advise moving away from that; if it is Chromium-based, then it depends on how Chromium steps up the game. Cheers, Joseph
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-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 9:05 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Edge? Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs OK - It seems to be the case that Edge should stay in, especially as it is apparently set to improve. Perhaps some qualifying comments need to be inserted along the lines of "Further accessibility improvements anticipated in the next Windows Release". Would that suffice? For info and reference here is the Master list again as it stands today. Note - I have not included any security software as my last experience of MalWareBytes and ESET is that they have degenerated to terrible accessibility so if anybody has any idea of accessible third party security and anti-virus it would be interesting. I am currently just sticking with Windows Default with high level of User Access protection. As I say this list is not in proper prioritised categorised order yet but a start. Microsoft Store Apps World Clock KNFB Reader (Paid) Office Word - all versions (Paid) Jarte + (Free and Paid versions) Excel all versions. (Paid) Wordpad (included with Windows ) Notepad (included with Windows ) Email and Messaging Microsoft Outlook all versions. (Paid) Windows Mail (included with Windows ) Thunderbird (Free) TW Blue Twitter Client Free or donation) Microsoft People (included with Windows ) Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing and saving of contacts) (Free) Cloud Storage DropBox (Free and Paid) OneDrive (Free and Paid) SendSpace Wizard (Free and Paid) Open Drive Desktop client.(Free and Paid) iCloud also (for transfer to iPhone and iPad)(Free and Paid) Programming- Web Development Cisco Jabber Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on Cisco website Oracle applications Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance module which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit) Podcasts and News readers. RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free) QCastv (paid) Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite (Free) Compression and File Utility 7-Zip (Free) DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory. (Free) SyncBack Free (Back up utility) Free and paid versions) Explorer ++ (Fast alternative to File Explorer) (Free) Master Seeker (Fast file finder) (Free) everything search from void tools (Free) Bulk Rename Utility (Multiple File rename) (Free) Copy Path - Copy file path to clipboard from application menu. (Free) Copy file Names (Can copy multiple filenames from selected files to clipboard via application key.) (Free) OCR and Scanning ABBYY FineReader 12(paid) Kurzweil V14. (paid) Open Book (paid) Audio and CD Tools Audacity )Free ) Goldwave (Free and Paid versions) Format Factory (File Conversion)(Free) Switch File Conversion. (paid) FreeM4B to Mp3 converter (Need to use Jaws Cursor) (Free) Ponte's Media Downloader (YouTube downloader) (Free) Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound card)(Free) Mp3DirectCut (Free) Mp3Gain(Free) Mp3Tag (Free) CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)(Free) CD Burner XP (CD Burner (Free) DVD Audio Extractor (Paid) Daisy and Audio Book Software FSReader 3 (Included with Jaws) HumanWare Companion (For Victor reader Devices) (Free) Daisy Book Generator (Converts Audio Books into Daisy Books) Free) Audible Manager and downloader (Now buggy as not updated - need to install Windows 7/8 Versions.) (Free) Inaudible Audible book Converter (Free) OverDrive for Windows (Free) Plextalk transfer (For use with Plextalk Daisy Readers)(Free) eBook reading Kindle PC app all versions (Free) QRead (Paid) Balabolka (eBook and Mp3 TTS Reader) Free) Bookworm ) (Free) FSReader (included with Jaws ) SpeakOn Media Suite (Free) Codex eBook Converter. (Free) TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books from eBooks) (Paid) Music radio and Media Players VLC (Free) WinAmp (Free) Windows Media Player included With Windows) iTunes (Needs column browser enabled for use with screenreaders) (Free) BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie) (Free) BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie) (Free) SpeakOn Media Suite (Free) Tapin Radio (Free and Paid versions) Spotify (Free and paid versions) Speech TTS Eloquence (paid) Ivona Voices. (paid) Other Utilities Belarc Advisor ) (Diagnostics) (Free) Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)(Free) Clock2 (Clock announce/chimes , reminder and alarm(Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free) CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications running)(Free) Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing) (Free for clients) Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard) (Free) Irfanview (Image viewing and editing Software.) (Free) Web Browsers (all free) Google chrome Brave FireFox Waterfox Internet explorer (included with Windows) edge (included with Windows) -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond Sent: 20 November 2019 16:44 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Edge? Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs I do use Edge from time to time. However, I can't stand it with FaceBook. All other browsers read options such as react, full story, all edge reads is more options and that it reads it letter by letter. Click on that, gets you nothing. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rayn Darren Sent: November 20, 2019 7:38 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Edge? Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs I'm an Edge user and it works wonderfully with Jaws. I do experience quite a bit of browser crashing, though I don't believe that has anything to do with Jaws or accessiblity. On 11/20/2019 7:34 AM, David Griffith wrote: Thanks for the suggestion ----- - I will add search everything from void tools to the Master List - perhaps even try it myself. In relation to Edge I would like to invite other comments. I don't routinely use Edge myself but left it in for the time being for two reason. 1. FS claim that they support Edge - I am not sure if the Edge support settings still exists in Jaws or whether these are default now. 2. Edge is not being abandoned. Reports from the Windows Insider is that the next Chromium based Edge Browser is actually apparently working really well with screenreaders including jaws.
If there is wider support for excluding Edge I will go with the consensus and remove it for now but it seems it will have to be introduced with the next release of Windows anyway. David Griffith
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett Sent: 20 November 2019 01:07 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
I have an issue with edge being included in the list. It is barely passable. and is being dropped by MS anyway. I would also suggest search everything from void tools as it is completly accessible and works better than windows search.On 11/19/2019 12:53 PM, David Griffith wrote:
OK here is a first stab at a categorised master list below. The final list will probably have the categories rearranged but this is a first draft only.
Microsoft Store Apps World Clock KNFB Reader (Paid)
Office Word - all versions (Paid) Jarte + (Free and Paid versions) Excel all versions. (Paid) Wordpad (included with Windows ) Notepad (included with Windows )
Email and Messenging Microsoft Outlook all versions. (Paid) Windows Mail (included with Windows ) Thunderbird (Free) TW Blue Twitter Client. (Free or donation) Microsoft People (included with Windows ) Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing and saving of contacts) (Free)
Cloud Storage DropBox (Free and Paid) OneDrive (Free and Paid) SendSpace Wizard (Free and Paid) Open Drive Desktop client.(Free and Paid) iCloud also (for transfer to iPhone and iPad)(Free and Paid)
Programming- Web Development Cisco Jabber Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on Cisco website Oracle applications Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance module which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)
Podcasts and News readers. RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free) QCastv (paid) Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free)
Compression and File Utility 7-Zip (Free) DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory. (Free) SyncBack Free (Back up utility) Free and paid versions) Explorer ++ (Fast alternative to File Explorer) (Free) Master Seeker (Fast file finder) (Free) Bulk Rename Utility (Multiple File rename) (Free) Copy Path - Copy file path to clipboard from application menu. (Free) Copy file Names (Can copy multiple filenames from selected files to clipboard via application key.) (Free)
OCR and Scanning ABBYY FineReader 12(paid) Kurzweil V14. (paid) Open Book (paid)
Audio and CD Tools Audacity )Free ) GoldWave (Free and Paid versions) Format Factory (File Conversion)(Free) Switch File Conversion. (paid) FreeM4B to Mp3 converter (Need to use Jaws Cursor) (Free) Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader) (Free) Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound card)(Free) Mp3DirectCut (Free) Mp3Gain(Free) Mp3Tag (Free) CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)(Free) CD Burner XP (CD Burner (Free) DVD Audio Extractor (Paide)
Daisy and Audio Book Software FSReader 3 (Included with Jaws) HumanWare Companion (For Victor reader Devices) (Free) Daisy Book Generator (Converts Audio Books into Daisy Books) (Free) Audible Manager and downloader (Now buggy as not updated - need to install Windows 7/8 Versions.) (Free) Inaudible Audible book Converter (Free) OverDrive for Windows (Free) Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)(Free)
eBook reading Kindle PC app all versions (Free) QRead (Paid) Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader) (Free) Bookworm ) (Free) FSReader (included with Jawws) SpeakOn Media Suite (Free) Codex eBook Converter. (Free) TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books from eBooks) (Paid)
Music radio and Media Players VLC (Free) WinAmp (Free) Windows Media Player included With Windows) iTunes (Needs column browser enabled for use with screenreader) (Free) BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie) (Free) BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie) (Free) SpeakOn Media Suite (Free) Tapin Radio (Free and Paid versions) Spotify (Free and paid versions)
Speech TTS Eloquence (paid) Ivona Voices. (paid)
Other Utilities Belarc Advisor ) (Diagnostics) (Free) Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)(Free) Clock2 (Clock announce , reminder and alarm(Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free) CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications running)(Free) Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing) (Free for clients) Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard) (Free) Irfanview (Image viewing and editing Software.) (Free)
Web Browsers (all free) Google chrome Brave Firefox Waterfox Internet explorer (included with Windows) edge (included with Windows)
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: 19 November 2019 15:15 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
right, keep it as simple as possible. sounds good. let this list continue as started.
-------- Original Message -------- From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@gmail.com] To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 8:33 PM Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs I do think we should start simple rather than get bogged down. But I also think that over time we could develop something more useful. For example I don't agree that the list should or must get too long provided we develop the right presentation. In this case it should be very easy right from the start to devise categories of app with simple headings. For example Office Productivity Email and Messaging. Audio and Video Tools File Management and Compression Media Players Microsoft Store Apps Inbuilt Windows apps Games and so on an so on. We could hopefully agree as a group on this list what the most logical categories are. There would then be relatively few programs and apps in each category and people could jump to the category they are most interested in by a press of the H key.
Eventually a short description and information on how to obtain the app would in my view also be good including a download link if possible.
In terms of reliability/authenticity / validity of app suggestions I would not take too heavy a hand. Perhaps this could be best managed in the future by an option to post comments which could query the suitability of an app posting and any possible problems with using it.
For the present, before we find out how to develop a formal web page comment facility , we could immediately instead simply use our existing email list here to discuss whether an app is really suitable for the accessible program resource list.
People who disagree that an app is accessible could express their concerns here and other defend / explain how they manage to use the app. Hopefully a consensus could then be reached with possibly some clarifying access strategies included in the app/program description. In the unlikely event such an initiative is abused I guess we need to agree someone to have responsibility for removing app suggestions to the program list. but I would anticipate that this would be rarely if ever needed and instead a light touch rather than a heavy handed approach would hopefully suffice. We are hopefully all grown up. This is all down the line though and I hope negative worries do not bog us down. We need just a simple platform to host a list in the first place I think, and work from there. I am sure many would find it immediately useful even in this stripped down initial presentation of a categorised list. I am happy to help with some legwork but I think it should be a group initiative really plus my web page skills are presently restricted to just running a Word Press blog. David Griffith
they -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: 18 November 2019 21:57 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
if this list is going to continue, at some point, the list is going to get too long.
I thought a wiki is a webpage where members can contribute to a project of some sort. the concern is that someone can unintentionally add something that is inaccurate, not up to date, or misleading. so, that creates the question, is someone going to be in charge of maintaining the wiki to make sure the information is correct?
-------- Original Message -------- From: JM Casey [mailto:jmcasey@teksavvy.com] To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 3:32 PM Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Well, the idea is interesting and, in response to Randy or someone else who posted on this topic, I started writing a list of the stuff I have on here. But if not a wiki, or something along a similar concept, what do you suggest? I mean, the whole point would be that users could contribute, no? otherwise, the project wouldn't really get off the ground -- it would just be one or two guys' opinions on what programmes work well on their homepage, and, as you say, "who wants that?" :P
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: November 18, 2019 2:53 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
I agree there should be a central repository (website) where members or non members who are blind or visually impaired could read about a program and save it to their computer if they want to use a copy, but I disagree it should be connected to a wiki page. I was participating in a group discussion (a few years ago) and we decided to create a wiki page with alot of information about our discussions but hardly anyone wanted to spend the time to contribute to the wiki. plus, using a wiki where members can post inaccurate information about a program or procedure, and who wants that.
-------- Original Message -------- From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@gmail.com] To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 10:18 AM Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Many thanks
I have saved your additions and will create a master list.
I agree that a short description would be helpful.
Also eventually a download link or advice on how to get the application would also be helpful I think,.
Someone suggested that a Wiki page may be available to this list which may host this information.
I don’t know if anybody knows if this is true and whether or how we could use it for such a purpose.
Thanks again
David Griffith
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha *Sent:* 18 November 2019 08:31 *To:* main@jfw.groups.io *Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
Thanks David, it’s a good start. It will also give us idea about using various JAWS compatible programs which may be useful to us other than we are currently using. Perhaps a small description can be added to those which are not obvious in their use.I have added two extra –Cisco Jabber & Oracle applications
Thanks
Meesha
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 3:37 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
I followed my own advice and reproduce the list of programs on my system that I have used at least once or twice with Jaws can think is accessible. Some programs I have used more than others. I have used MP3Direct cut hundreds of times but Audacity less so if people want any clarification of the programs I use then the amount of feedback I will be able to give will vary.
By the way in creating the application folder tip I gave earlier I forgot to remember that you get more joy arrowing rightwards rather than with the down arrow in reading what all your installed apps are.
Anyway here we go as a start list.
N.B rather than reproduce all these People could perhaps add programs that they are using to this list and I can try and consolidate it all into a master list.
Programs I am personally using with Jaws.
7-Zip
ABBYY FineReader 12
Audacity
Audible Manager and downloader
Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader)
BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie)
BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie)
Belarc Advisor (Diagnostics)
Brave Browser
Bookworm (eBook reader – only just installed)
Bulk Rename Utility
CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)
CD Burner XP (CD Burner – have only used to limited extent)
CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications running)
Clock2 (Webbie Accessibility Suite)
Copy file Names
Copy Path
Codex eBook Converter.
Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on Cisco website
Daisy Book Generator
DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory.
Dropbox
DVD Audio Extractor
Eloquence
Excel
Explorer ++
Firefox Portable
Format Factory (File Conversion)
FreeM4B to Mp3 converter
FSReader 3
GoldWave
Google Chrome
Humanware Companion (For Victor reader Devices)
Internet Explorer
Inaudible Audible book Converter
iCloud (for transfer to iPone and iPad)
iTunes
IrfanView (image viewer- now only use to Jaws OCR on)
Jarte +(Wordpad Replacement with spellchecker and other features)
Jaws 2019
JAWS 2020
Kindle Accessible Version
Kurzweil 1000 v. 14
NVDA
Mail
Master Seeker (Fast file finder)
Microsoft Edge
Mp3Directcut (easy editing of mp3 files)
MP3Gain(increase volume of mp3 files)
MP3Tag (edit and quickly create mp3 ags)
Narrator
Notepad
Office
OneDrive
Outlook
Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing and saving of contacts)
Open Book
Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance module which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)
QCast (Podcast downloader)
QRead (eBook Reader)
OverDrive for Windows
People
Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader)
Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)
Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)
RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)
Sendspace Wizard
Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard)
Speak On Media Suite (For accessing RNIB Newspapers etc)
Spotify
SyncBack Free (Back up utility)
Switch (Media Converter)
Task Manager
Tapin Radio
TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books)
Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing)
TWBlue (Twitter Client)
Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)
VLC media player
Windows Media Player
Waterfox Portable
Word
WordPad
Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound car)
Hope we can start something here.
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*From: *David Griffith via Groups.Io <mailto:daj.griffith=gmail.com@groups.io> *Sent: *15 November 2019 14:12 *To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject: *Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
I changed the subject line to reflect the new discussion.
As a starting point on this list it would be useful if people could list the programs they know work well on their system with Jaws.
I can offer one tip to make it easier to establish which app people have on their system. Someone might have a better idea.
If you type or copy and paste the following command into the windows R run dialogue,
shell:AppsFolder command
and press enter
This will open a list view with all the apps you have on your system.
You can simply arrow down to review then all.
Here you can press enter to run the app or perhaps more usefully use the context key to create a shortcut .
For our purposes here you simply have to cursor down the list of aps, after about 10 apps open the Jaws speech history with insert space , then H and you should see the list of apps you have arrowed down in a form that you can copy and paste into a notepad file by pressing control a and then control c.
Alt tab back to your apps folder and continue cursoring down for about 10 app, open speech history history again and copy the resulting apps into your notepad file.
Continue until you have a file list of all the apps on your system.
As I say someone else might have a more elegant solution.
In any case edit the Notepad file to delete all the apps you know don’t work with Jaws.
Also you should probably delete any app that you don’t know if they work with Jaws or if you don’t want anybody else to know you have this app on your system.
I’ll try and do this as a starter list and others can then add or criticise the resulting list I have.
David Griffith
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*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@soprasteria.com> *Sent: *15 November 2019 13:24 *To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
Yes David, even I was delighted to find that JAWS works on this as it didn’t work on other apps I tried.
As for having a resource which could provide us with the list of JAWS accessible program, I think it will be immensely useful. Perhaps we can put the programs/Apps names in an excel and share it. May be we can give it versions so if any one wishes to add any list of programs or apps names, they can add these to the existing list and save it to the next version and share it in this group.
Perhaps it would work at least for the interim untill such a resource is available through Vispero.
Thanks
Meesha
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 12:33 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
Very glad it worked– I did see this option on the Microsoft Store but I was not sure you would be able to use it. I am especially pleased it is accessible with Jaws. Not all apps are though I think the situation is improving.
We need an Apple Vis type website with category lists of programs and Microsoft Store Apps Which are confirmed to work with Jaws.
There is something called NVDA Road tested Programs on Accessibility Net which is pretty much guaranteed to provide options for Jaws as well but somethings are accessible with Jaws and not NVDA and vice versa.
There used to be a Programs page on the old Jaws User Mailing list website but this seems defunct now and will not load here. Tom Lorimore’s White Stick website will not be update given his recent sad death. I don’t know if anybody else knows of a similar resource?
VFO Should really host this for the community I guess but if anybody has a web page that could be used I would be happy to provide some program suggestions and comments.
David Griffith
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha *Sent:* 15 November 2019 08:26 *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
Good Idea David, I tried a world clock app on the Microsoft store and it is accessible with JAWS and it groups different time zones although I have to navigate few times to reach it. Good part is that I can add more than five, not that I need that manyJ
Thanks for the suggestion.
Meesha
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:22 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
As a workaround have you tried separate World Clock applications or Website?
For example
https://greenwichmeantime.com/timepiece/world-clock/
Once you have set a website like this up to your desired time zone you can set it up as a shortcut on your desktop or even, with a bit of further fiddling and editing of the shortcut, put it on the windows 10 Taskbar. Let me know if you want instructions on this.
In terms of apps rather than websites I think you will need to search for World Clock apps rather than clock apps as normal clock applications will just provide the standard feedback from the system time.
David Griffith
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*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@soprasteria.com> *Sent: *14 November 2019 07:35 *To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
Yes I did try to go to the clock after pressing Windows B and then navigating to the system clock however it only provides feedback for one clock and not the other one.
Thanks
Meesha
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io *Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:06 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
You probably cannot do it with the JAWS F12 keystroke to check time, but if both clocks appear on your System tray in the bottom right of your screen, then you can try using Windows key B to get to the system tray, then arrowing left or right to hear the clocks. I usually find focus is at the far left of the icons in the system tray, so it is fastest to arrow left and focus will quickly circle around to the far right of the icons where the standard system clock is.
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha *Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:01 AM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
Hi members,
Can I check time for two time zones simultaneously using JAWS?
I have added two clocks however JAWS just provides feedback for one of it so not sure how to access time for the other one.
Thanks,
Meesha
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Re: Edge? Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
OK - It seems to be the case that Edge should stay in, especially as it is apparently set to improve. Perhaps some qualifying comments need to be inserted along the lines of "Further accessibility improvements anticipated in the next Windows Release". Would that suffice?
For info and reference here is the Master list again as it stands today. Note - I have not included any security software as my last experience of MalWareBytes and ESET is that they have degenerated to terrible accessibility so if anybody has any idea of accessible third party security and anti-virus it would be interesting. I am currently just sticking with Windows Default with high level of User Access protection.
As I say this list is not in proper prioritised categorised order yet but a start.
Microsoft Store Apps World Clock KNFB Reader (Paid)
Office Word - all versions (Paid) Jarte + (Free and Paid versions) Excel all versions. (Paid) Wordpad (included with Windows ) Notepad (included with Windows )
Email and Messaging Microsoft Outlook all versions. (Paid) Windows Mail (included with Windows ) Thunderbird (Free) TW Blue Twitter Client Free or donation) Microsoft People (included with Windows ) Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing and saving of contacts) (Free)
Cloud Storage DropBox (Free and Paid) OneDrive (Free and Paid) SendSpace Wizard (Free and Paid) Open Drive Desktop client.(Free and Paid) iCloud also (for transfer to iPhone and iPad)(Free and Paid)
Programming- Web Development Cisco Jabber Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on Cisco website Oracle applications Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance module which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)
Podcasts and News readers. RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free) QCastv (paid) Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite (Free)
Compression and File Utility 7-Zip (Free) DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory. (Free) SyncBack Free (Back up utility) Free and paid versions) Explorer ++ (Fast alternative to File Explorer) (Free) Master Seeker (Fast file finder) (Free) everything search from void tools (Free) Bulk Rename Utility (Multiple File rename) (Free) Copy Path - Copy file path to clipboard from application menu. (Free) Copy file Names (Can copy multiple filenames from selected files to clipboard via application key.) (Free)
OCR and Scanning ABBYY FineReader 12(paid) Kurzweil V14. (paid) Open Book (paid)
Audio and CD Tools Audacity )Free ) Goldwave (Free and Paid versions) Format Factory (File Conversion)(Free) Switch File Conversion. (paid) FreeM4B to Mp3 converter (Need to use Jaws Cursor) (Free) Ponte's Media Downloader (YouTube downloader) (Free) Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound card)(Free) Mp3DirectCut (Free) Mp3Gain(Free) Mp3Tag (Free) CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)(Free) CD Burner XP (CD Burner (Free) DVD Audio Extractor (Paid)
Daisy and Audio Book Software FSReader 3 (Included with Jaws) HumanWare Companion (For Victor reader Devices) (Free) Daisy Book Generator (Converts Audio Books into Daisy Books) Free) Audible Manager and downloader (Now buggy as not updated - need to install Windows 7/8 Versions.) (Free) Inaudible Audible book Converter (Free) OverDrive for Windows (Free) Plextalk transfer (For use with Plextalk Daisy Readers)(Free)
eBook reading Kindle PC app all versions (Free) QRead (Paid) Balabolka (eBook and Mp3 TTS Reader) Free) Bookworm ) (Free) FSReader (included with Jaws ) SpeakOn Media Suite (Free) Codex eBook Converter. (Free) TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books from eBooks) (Paid)
Music radio and Media Players VLC (Free) WinAmp (Free) Windows Media Player included With Windows) iTunes (Needs column browser enabled for use with screenreaders) (Free) BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie) (Free) BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie) (Free) SpeakOn Media Suite (Free) Tapin Radio (Free and Paid versions) Spotify (Free and paid versions)
Speech TTS Eloquence (paid) Ivona Voices. (paid)
Other Utilities Belarc Advisor ) (Diagnostics) (Free) Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)(Free) Clock2 (Clock announce/chimes , reminder and alarm(Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free) CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications running)(Free) Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing) (Free for clients) Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard) (Free) Irfanview (Image viewing and editing Software.) (Free)
Web Browsers (all free) Google chrome Brave FireFox Waterfox Internet explorer (included with Windows) edge (included with Windows)
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-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond Sent: 20 November 2019 16:44 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Edge? Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs I do use Edge from time to time. However, I can't stand it with FaceBook. All other browsers read options such as react, full story, all edge reads is more options and that it reads it letter by letter. Click on that, gets you nothing. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rayn Darren Sent: November 20, 2019 7:38 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Edge? Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs I'm an Edge user and it works wonderfully with Jaws. I do experience quite a bit of browser crashing, though I don't believe that has anything to do with Jaws or accessiblity. On 11/20/2019 7:34 AM, David Griffith wrote: Thanks for the suggestion ----- - I will add search everything from void tools to the Master List - perhaps even try it myself. In relation to Edge I would like to invite other comments. I don't routinely use Edge myself but left it in for the time being for two reason. 1. FS claim that they support Edge - I am not sure if the Edge support settings still exists in Jaws or whether these are default now. 2. Edge is not being abandoned. Reports from the Windows Insider is that the next Chromium based Edge Browser is actually apparently working really well with screenreaders including jaws.
If there is wider support for excluding Edge I will go with the consensus and remove it for now but it seems it will have to be introduced with the next release of Windows anyway. David Griffith
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett Sent: 20 November 2019 01:07 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
I have an issue with edge being included in the list. It is barely passable. and is being dropped by MS anyway. I would also suggest search everything from void tools as it is completly accessible and works better than windows search.On 11/19/2019 12:53 PM, David Griffith wrote:
OK here is a first stab at a categorised master list below. The final list will probably have the categories rearranged but this is a first draft only.
Microsoft Store Apps World Clock KNFB Reader (Paid)
Office Word - all versions (Paid) Jarte + (Free and Paid versions) Excel all versions. (Paid) Wordpad (included with Windows ) Notepad (included with Windows )
Email and Messenging Microsoft Outlook all versions. (Paid) Windows Mail (included with Windows ) Thunderbird (Free) TW Blue Twitter Client. (Free or donation) Microsoft People (included with Windows ) Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing and saving of contacts) (Free)
Cloud Storage DropBox (Free and Paid) OneDrive (Free and Paid) SendSpace Wizard (Free and Paid) Open Drive Desktop client.(Free and Paid) iCloud also (for transfer to iPhone and iPad)(Free and Paid)
Programming- Web Development Cisco Jabber Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on Cisco website Oracle applications Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance module which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)
Podcasts and News readers. RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free) QCastv (paid) Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free)
Compression and File Utility 7-Zip (Free) DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory. (Free) SyncBack Free (Back up utility) Free and paid versions) Explorer ++ (Fast alternative to File Explorer) (Free) Master Seeker (Fast file finder) (Free) Bulk Rename Utility (Multiple File rename) (Free) Copy Path - Copy file path to clipboard from application menu. (Free) Copy file Names (Can copy multiple filenames from selected files to clipboard via application key.) (Free)
OCR and Scanning ABBYY FineReader 12(paid) Kurzweil V14. (paid) Open Book (paid)
Audio and CD Tools Audacity )Free ) GoldWave (Free and Paid versions) Format Factory (File Conversion)(Free) Switch File Conversion. (paid) FreeM4B to Mp3 converter (Need to use Jaws Cursor) (Free) Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader) (Free) Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound card)(Free) Mp3DirectCut (Free) Mp3Gain(Free) Mp3Tag (Free) CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)(Free) CD Burner XP (CD Burner (Free) DVD Audio Extractor (Paide)
Daisy and Audio Book Software FSReader 3 (Included with Jaws) HumanWare Companion (For Victor reader Devices) (Free) Daisy Book Generator (Converts Audio Books into Daisy Books) (Free) Audible Manager and downloader (Now buggy as not updated - need to install Windows 7/8 Versions.) (Free) Inaudible Audible book Converter (Free) OverDrive for Windows (Free) Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)(Free)
eBook reading Kindle PC app all versions (Free) QRead (Paid) Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader) (Free) Bookworm ) (Free) FSReader (included with Jawws) SpeakOn Media Suite (Free) Codex eBook Converter. (Free) TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books from eBooks) (Paid)
Music radio and Media Players VLC (Free) WinAmp (Free) Windows Media Player included With Windows) iTunes (Needs column browser enabled for use with screenreader) (Free) BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie) (Free) BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie) (Free) SpeakOn Media Suite (Free) Tapin Radio (Free and Paid versions) Spotify (Free and paid versions)
Speech TTS Eloquence (paid) Ivona Voices. (paid)
Other Utilities Belarc Advisor ) (Diagnostics) (Free) Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)(Free) Clock2 (Clock announce , reminder and alarm(Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free) CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications running)(Free) Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing) (Free for clients) Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard) (Free) Irfanview (Image viewing and editing Software.) (Free)
Web Browsers (all free) Google chrome Brave Firefox Waterfox Internet explorer (included with Windows) edge (included with Windows)
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: 19 November 2019 15:15 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
right, keep it as simple as possible. sounds good. let this list continue as started.
-------- Original Message -------- From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@gmail.com] To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 8:33 PM Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs I do think we should start simple rather than get bogged down. But I also think that over time we could develop something more useful. For example I don't agree that the list should or must get too long provided we develop the right presentation. In this case it should be very easy right from the start to devise categories of app with simple headings. For example Office Productivity Email and Messaging. Audio and Video Tools File Management and Compression Media Players Microsoft Store Apps Inbuilt Windows apps Games and so on an so on. We could hopefully agree as a group on this list what the most logical categories are. There would then be relatively few programs and apps in each category and people could jump to the category they are most interested in by a press of the H key.
Eventually a short description and information on how to obtain the app would in my view also be good including a download link if possible.
In terms of reliability/authenticity / validity of app suggestions I would not take too heavy a hand. Perhaps this could be best managed in the future by an option to post comments which could query the suitability of an app posting and any possible problems with using it.
For the present, before we find out how to develop a formal web page comment facility , we could immediately instead simply use our existing email list here to discuss whether an app is really suitable for the accessible program resource list.
People who disagree that an app is accessible could express their concerns here and other defend / explain how they manage to use the app. Hopefully a consensus could then be reached with possibly some clarifying access strategies included in the app/program description. In the unlikely event such an initiative is abused I guess we need to agree someone to have responsibility for removing app suggestions to the program list. but I would anticipate that this would be rarely if ever needed and instead a light touch rather than a heavy handed approach would hopefully suffice. We are hopefully all grown up. This is all down the line though and I hope negative worries do not bog us down. We need just a simple platform to host a list in the first place I think, and work from there. I am sure many would find it immediately useful even in this stripped down initial presentation of a categorised list. I am happy to help with some legwork but I think it should be a group initiative really plus my web page skills are presently restricted to just running a Word Press blog. David Griffith
they -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: 18 November 2019 21:57 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
if this list is going to continue, at some point, the list is going to get too long.
I thought a wiki is a webpage where members can contribute to a project of some sort. the concern is that someone can unintentionally add something that is inaccurate, not up to date, or misleading. so, that creates the question, is someone going to be in charge of maintaining the wiki to make sure the information is correct?
-------- Original Message -------- From: JM Casey [mailto:jmcasey@teksavvy.com] To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 3:32 PM Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Well, the idea is interesting and, in response to Randy or someone else who posted on this topic, I started writing a list of the stuff I have on here. But if not a wiki, or something along a similar concept, what do you suggest? I mean, the whole point would be that users could contribute, no? otherwise, the project wouldn't really get off the ground -- it would just be one or two guys' opinions on what programmes work well on their homepage, and, as you say, "who wants that?" :P
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: November 18, 2019 2:53 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
I agree there should be a central repository (website) where members or non members who are blind or visually impaired could read about a program and save it to their computer if they want to use a copy, but I disagree it should be connected to a wiki page. I was participating in a group discussion (a few years ago) and we decided to create a wiki page with alot of information about our discussions but hardly anyone wanted to spend the time to contribute to the wiki. plus, using a wiki where members can post inaccurate information about a program or procedure, and who wants that.
-------- Original Message -------- From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@gmail.com] To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 10:18 AM Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Many thanks
I have saved your additions and will create a master list.
I agree that a short description would be helpful.
Also eventually a download link or advice on how to get the application would also be helpful I think,.
Someone suggested that a Wiki page may be available to this list which may host this information.
I don’t know if anybody knows if this is true and whether or how we could use it for such a purpose.
Thanks again
David Griffith
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha *Sent:* 18 November 2019 08:31 *To:* main@jfw.groups.io *Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
Thanks David, it’s a good start. It will also give us idea about using various JAWS compatible programs which may be useful to us other than we are currently using. Perhaps a small description can be added to those which are not obvious in their use.I have added two extra –Cisco Jabber & Oracle applications
Thanks
Meesha
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 3:37 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
I followed my own advice and reproduce the list of programs on my system that I have used at least once or twice with Jaws can think is accessible. Some programs I have used more than others. I have used MP3Direct cut hundreds of times but Audacity less so if people want any clarification of the programs I use then the amount of feedback I will be able to give will vary.
By the way in creating the application folder tip I gave earlier I forgot to remember that you get more joy arrowing rightwards rather than with the down arrow in reading what all your installed apps are.
Anyway here we go as a start list.
N.B rather than reproduce all these People could perhaps add programs that they are using to this list and I can try and consolidate it all into a master list.
Programs I am personally using with Jaws.
7-Zip
ABBYY FineReader 12
Audacity
Audible Manager and downloader
Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader)
BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie)
BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie)
Belarc Advisor (Diagnostics)
Brave Browser
Bookworm (eBook reader – only just installed)
Bulk Rename Utility
CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)
CD Burner XP (CD Burner – have only used to limited extent)
CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications running)
Clock2 (Webbie Accessibility Suite)
Copy file Names
Copy Path
Codex eBook Converter.
Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on Cisco website
Daisy Book Generator
DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory.
Dropbox
DVD Audio Extractor
Eloquence
Excel
Explorer ++
Firefox Portable
Format Factory (File Conversion)
FreeM4B to Mp3 converter
FSReader 3
GoldWave
Google Chrome
Humanware Companion (For Victor reader Devices)
Internet Explorer
Inaudible Audible book Converter
iCloud (for transfer to iPone and iPad)
iTunes
IrfanView (image viewer- now only use to Jaws OCR on)
Jarte +(Wordpad Replacement with spellchecker and other features)
Jaws 2019
JAWS 2020
Kindle Accessible Version
Kurzweil 1000 v. 14
NVDA
Mail
Master Seeker (Fast file finder)
Microsoft Edge
Mp3Directcut (easy editing of mp3 files)
MP3Gain(increase volume of mp3 files)
MP3Tag (edit and quickly create mp3 ags)
Narrator
Notepad
Office
OneDrive
Outlook
Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing and saving of contacts)
Open Book
Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance module which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)
QCast (Podcast downloader)
QRead (eBook Reader)
OverDrive for Windows
People
Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader)
Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)
Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)
RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)
Sendspace Wizard
Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard)
Speak On Media Suite (For accessing RNIB Newspapers etc)
Spotify
SyncBack Free (Back up utility)
Switch (Media Converter)
Task Manager
Tapin Radio
TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books)
Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing)
TWBlue (Twitter Client)
Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)
VLC media player
Windows Media Player
Waterfox Portable
Word
WordPad
Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound car)
Hope we can start something here.
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*From: *David Griffith via Groups.Io <mailto:daj.griffith=gmail.com@groups.io> *Sent: *15 November 2019 14:12 *To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject: *Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
I changed the subject line to reflect the new discussion.
As a starting point on this list it would be useful if people could list the programs they know work well on their system with Jaws.
I can offer one tip to make it easier to establish which app people have on their system. Someone might have a better idea.
If you type or copy and paste the following command into the windows R run dialogue,
shell:AppsFolder command
and press enter
This will open a list view with all the apps you have on your system.
You can simply arrow down to review then all.
Here you can press enter to run the app or perhaps more usefully use the context key to create a shortcut .
For our purposes here you simply have to cursor down the list of aps, after about 10 apps open the Jaws speech history with insert space , then H and you should see the list of apps you have arrowed down in a form that you can copy and paste into a notepad file by pressing control a and then control c.
Alt tab back to your apps folder and continue cursoring down for about 10 app, open speech history history again and copy the resulting apps into your notepad file.
Continue until you have a file list of all the apps on your system.
As I say someone else might have a more elegant solution.
In any case edit the Notepad file to delete all the apps you know don’t work with Jaws.
Also you should probably delete any app that you don’t know if they work with Jaws or if you don’t want anybody else to know you have this app on your system.
I’ll try and do this as a starter list and others can then add or criticise the resulting list I have.
David Griffith
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*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@soprasteria.com> *Sent: *15 November 2019 13:24 *To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
Yes David, even I was delighted to find that JAWS works on this as it didn’t work on other apps I tried.
As for having a resource which could provide us with the list of JAWS accessible program, I think it will be immensely useful. Perhaps we can put the programs/Apps names in an excel and share it. May be we can give it versions so if any one wishes to add any list of programs or apps names, they can add these to the existing list and save it to the next version and share it in this group.
Perhaps it would work at least for the interim untill such a resource is available through Vispero.
Thanks
Meesha
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 12:33 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
Very glad it worked– I did see this option on the Microsoft Store but I was not sure you would be able to use it. I am especially pleased it is accessible with Jaws. Not all apps are though I think the situation is improving.
We need an Apple Vis type website with category lists of programs and Microsoft Store Apps Which are confirmed to work with Jaws.
There is something called NVDA Road tested Programs on Accessibility Net which is pretty much guaranteed to provide options for Jaws as well but somethings are accessible with Jaws and not NVDA and vice versa.
There used to be a Programs page on the old Jaws User Mailing list website but this seems defunct now and will not load here. Tom Lorimore’s White Stick website will not be update given his recent sad death. I don’t know if anybody else knows of a similar resource?
VFO Should really host this for the community I guess but if anybody has a web page that could be used I would be happy to provide some program suggestions and comments.
David Griffith
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha *Sent:* 15 November 2019 08:26 *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
Good Idea David, I tried a world clock app on the Microsoft store and it is accessible with JAWS and it groups different time zones although I have to navigate few times to reach it. Good part is that I can add more than five, not that I need that manyJ
Thanks for the suggestion.
Meesha
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:22 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
As a workaround have you tried separate World Clock applications or Website?
For example
https://greenwichmeantime.com/timepiece/world-clock/
Once you have set a website like this up to your desired time zone you can set it up as a shortcut on your desktop or even, with a bit of further fiddling and editing of the shortcut, put it on the windows 10 Taskbar. Let me know if you want instructions on this.
In terms of apps rather than websites I think you will need to search for World Clock apps rather than clock apps as normal clock applications will just provide the standard feedback from the system time.
David Griffith
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*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@soprasteria.com> *Sent: *14 November 2019 07:35 *To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
Yes I did try to go to the clock after pressing Windows B and then navigating to the system clock however it only provides feedback for one clock and not the other one.
Thanks
Meesha
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io *Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:06 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
You probably cannot do it with the JAWS F12 keystroke to check time, but if both clocks appear on your System tray in the bottom right of your screen, then you can try using Windows key B to get to the system tray, then arrowing left or right to hear the clocks. I usually find focus is at the far left of the icons in the system tray, so it is fastest to arrow left and focus will quickly circle around to the far right of the icons where the standard system clock is.
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha *Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:01 AM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
Hi members,
Can I check time for two time zones simultaneously using JAWS?
I have added two clocks however JAWS just provides feedback for one of it so not sure how to access time for the other one.
Thanks,
Meesha
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Re: Edge? Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
I do use Edge from time to time. However, I can't stand it with FaceBook. All other browsers read options such as react, full story, all edge reads is more options and that it reads it letter by letter. Click on that, gets you nothing.
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-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rayn Darren Sent: November 20, 2019 7:38 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Edge? Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs I'm an Edge user and it works wonderfully with Jaws. I do experience quite a bit of browser crashing, though I don't believe that has anything to do with Jaws or accessiblity. On 11/20/2019 7:34 AM, David Griffith wrote: Thanks for the suggestion ----- - I will add search everything from void tools to the Master List - perhaps even try it myself. In relation to Edge I would like to invite other comments. I don't routinely use Edge myself but left it in for the time being for two reason. 1. FS claim that they support Edge - I am not sure if the Edge support settings still exists in Jaws or whether these are default now. 2. Edge is not being abandoned. Reports from the Windows Insider is that the next Chromium based Edge Browser is actually apparently working really well with screenreaders including jaws.
If there is wider support for excluding Edge I will go with the consensus and remove it for now but it seems it will have to be introduced with the next release of Windows anyway. David Griffith
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett Sent: 20 November 2019 01:07 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
I have an issue with edge being included in the list. It is barely passable. and is being dropped by MS anyway. I would also suggest search everything from void tools as it is completly accessible and works better than windows search.On 11/19/2019 12:53 PM, David Griffith wrote:
OK here is a first stab at a categorised master list below. The final list will probably have the categories rearranged but this is a first draft only.
Microsoft Store Apps World Clock KNFB Reader (Paid)
Office Word - all versions (Paid) Jarte + (Free and Paid versions) Excel all versions. (Paid) Wordpad (included with Windows ) Notepad (included with Windows )
Email and Messenging Microsoft Outlook all versions. (Paid) Windows Mail (included with Windows ) Thunderbird (Free) TW Blue Twitter Client. (Free or donation) Microsoft People (included with Windows ) Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing and saving of contacts) (Free)
Cloud Storage DropBox (Free and Paid) OneDrive (Free and Paid) SendSpace Wizard (Free and Paid) Open Drive Desktop client.(Free and Paid) iCloud also (for transfer to iPhone and iPad)(Free and Paid)
Programming- Web Development Cisco Jabber Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on Cisco website Oracle applications Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance module which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)
Podcasts and News readers. RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free) QCastv (paid) Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free)
Compression and File Utility 7-Zip (Free) DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory. (Free) SyncBack Free (Back up utility) Free and paid versions) Explorer ++ (Fast alternative to File Explorer) (Free) Master Seeker (Fast file finder) (Free) Bulk Rename Utility (Multiple File rename) (Free) Copy Path - Copy file path to clipboard from application menu. (Free) Copy file Names (Can copy multiple filenames from selected files to clipboard via application key.) (Free)
OCR and Scanning ABBYY FineReader 12(paid) Kurzweil V14. (paid) Open Book (paid)
Audio and CD Tools Audacity )Free ) GoldWave (Free and Paid versions) Format Factory (File Conversion)(Free) Switch File Conversion. (paid) FreeM4B to Mp3 converter (Need to use Jaws Cursor) (Free) Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader) (Free) Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound card)(Free) Mp3DirectCut (Free) Mp3Gain(Free) Mp3Tag (Free) CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)(Free) CD Burner XP (CD Burner (Free) DVD Audio Extractor (Paide)
Daisy and Audio Book Software FSReader 3 (Included with Jaws) HumanWare Companion (For Victor reader Devices) (Free) Daisy Book Generator (Converts Audio Books into Daisy Books) (Free) Audible Manager and downloader (Now buggy as not updated - need to install Windows 7/8 Versions.) (Free) Inaudible Audible book Converter (Free) OverDrive for Windows (Free) Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)(Free)
eBook reading Kindle PC app all versions (Free) QRead (Paid) Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader) (Free) Bookworm ) (Free) FSReader (included with Jawws) SpeakOn Media Suite (Free) Codex eBook Converter. (Free) TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books from eBooks) (Paid)
Music radio and Media Players VLC (Free) WinAmp (Free) Windows Media Player included With Windows) iTunes (Needs column browser enabled for use with screenreader) (Free) BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie) (Free) BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie) (Free) SpeakOn Media Suite (Free) Tapin Radio (Free and Paid versions) Spotify (Free and paid versions)
Speech TTS Eloquence (paid) Ivona Voices. (paid)
Other Utilities Belarc Advisor ) (Diagnostics) (Free) Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)(Free) Clock2 (Clock announce , reminder and alarm(Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free) CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications running)(Free) Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing) (Free for clients) Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard) (Free) Irfanview (Image viewing and editing Software.) (Free)
Web Browsers (all free) Google chrome Brave Firefox Waterfox Internet explorer (included with Windows) edge (included with Windows)
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: 19 November 2019 15:15 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
right, keep it as simple as possible. sounds good. let this list continue as started.
-------- Original Message -------- From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@gmail.com] To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 8:33 PM Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs I do think we should start simple rather than get bogged down. But I also think that over time we could develop something more useful. For example I don't agree that the list should or must get too long provided we develop the right presentation. In this case it should be very easy right from the start to devise categories of app with simple headings. For example Office Productivity Email and Messaging. Audio and Video Tools File Management and Compression Media Players Microsoft Store Apps Inbuilt Windows apps Games and so on an so on. We could hopefully agree as a group on this list what the most logical categories are. There would then be relatively few programs and apps in each category and people could jump to the category they are most interested in by a press of the H key.
Eventually a short description and information on how to obtain the app would in my view also be good including a download link if possible.
In terms of reliability/authenticity / validity of app suggestions I would not take too heavy a hand. Perhaps this could be best managed in the future by an option to post comments which could query the suitability of an app posting and any possible problems with using it.
For the present, before we find out how to develop a formal web page comment facility , we could immediately instead simply use our existing email list here to discuss whether an app is really suitable for the accessible program resource list.
People who disagree that an app is accessible could express their concerns here and other defend / explain how they manage to use the app. Hopefully a consensus could then be reached with possibly some clarifying access strategies included in the app/program description. In the unlikely event such an initiative is abused I guess we need to agree someone to have responsibility for removing app suggestions to the program list. but I would anticipate that this would be rarely if ever needed and instead a light touch rather than a heavy handed approach would hopefully suffice. We are hopefully all grown up. This is all down the line though and I hope negative worries do not bog us down. We need just a simple platform to host a list in the first place I think, and work from there. I am sure many would find it immediately useful even in this stripped down initial presentation of a categorised list. I am happy to help with some legwork but I think it should be a group initiative really plus my web page skills are presently restricted to just running a Word Press blog. David Griffith
they -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: 18 November 2019 21:57 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
if this list is going to continue, at some point, the list is going to get too long.
I thought a wiki is a webpage where members can contribute to a project of some sort. the concern is that someone can unintentionally add something that is inaccurate, not up to date, or misleading. so, that creates the question, is someone going to be in charge of maintaining the wiki to make sure the information is correct?
-------- Original Message -------- From: JM Casey [mailto:jmcasey@teksavvy.com] To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 3:32 PM Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Well, the idea is interesting and, in response to Randy or someone else who posted on this topic, I started writing a list of the stuff I have on here. But if not a wiki, or something along a similar concept, what do you suggest? I mean, the whole point would be that users could contribute, no? otherwise, the project wouldn't really get off the ground -- it would just be one or two guys' opinions on what programmes work well on their homepage, and, as you say, "who wants that?" :P
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: November 18, 2019 2:53 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
I agree there should be a central repository (website) where members or non members who are blind or visually impaired could read about a program and save it to their computer if they want to use a copy, but I disagree it should be connected to a wiki page. I was participating in a group discussion (a few years ago) and we decided to create a wiki page with alot of information about our discussions but hardly anyone wanted to spend the time to contribute to the wiki. plus, using a wiki where members can post inaccurate information about a program or procedure, and who wants that.
-------- Original Message -------- From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@gmail.com] To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 10:18 AM Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Many thanks
I have saved your additions and will create a master list.
I agree that a short description would be helpful.
Also eventually a download link or advice on how to get the application would also be helpful I think,.
Someone suggested that a Wiki page may be available to this list which may host this information.
I don’t know if anybody knows if this is true and whether or how we could use it for such a purpose.
Thanks again
David Griffith
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha *Sent:* 18 November 2019 08:31 *To:* main@jfw.groups.io *Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
Thanks David, it’s a good start. It will also give us idea about using various JAWS compatible programs which may be useful to us other than we are currently using. Perhaps a small description can be added to those which are not obvious in their use.I have added two extra –Cisco Jabber & Oracle applications
Thanks
Meesha
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 3:37 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
I followed my own advice and reproduce the list of programs on my system that I have used at least once or twice with Jaws can think is accessible. Some programs I have used more than others. I have used MP3Direct cut hundreds of times but Audacity less so if people want any clarification of the programs I use then the amount of feedback I will be able to give will vary.
By the way in creating the application folder tip I gave earlier I forgot to remember that you get more joy arrowing rightwards rather than with the down arrow in reading what all your installed apps are.
Anyway here we go as a start list.
N.B rather than reproduce all these People could perhaps add programs that they are using to this list and I can try and consolidate it all into a master list.
Programs I am personally using with Jaws.
7-Zip
ABBYY FineReader 12
Audacity
Audible Manager and downloader
Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader)
BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie)
BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie)
Belarc Advisor (Diagnostics)
Brave Browser
Bookworm (eBook reader – only just installed)
Bulk Rename Utility
CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)
CD Burner XP (CD Burner – have only used to limited extent)
CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications running)
Clock2 (Webbie Accessibility Suite)
Copy file Names
Copy Path
Codex eBook Converter.
Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on Cisco website
Daisy Book Generator
DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory.
Dropbox
DVD Audio Extractor
Eloquence
Excel
Explorer ++
Firefox Portable
Format Factory (File Conversion)
FreeM4B to Mp3 converter
FSReader 3
GoldWave
Google Chrome
Humanware Companion (For Victor reader Devices)
Internet Explorer
Inaudible Audible book Converter
iCloud (for transfer to iPone and iPad)
iTunes
IrfanView (image viewer- now only use to Jaws OCR on)
Jarte +(Wordpad Replacement with spellchecker and other features)
Jaws 2019
JAWS 2020
Kindle Accessible Version
Kurzweil 1000 v. 14
NVDA
Mail
Master Seeker (Fast file finder)
Microsoft Edge
Mp3Directcut (easy editing of mp3 files)
MP3Gain(increase volume of mp3 files)
MP3Tag (edit and quickly create mp3 ags)
Narrator
Notepad
Office
OneDrive
Outlook
Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing and saving of contacts)
Open Book
Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance module which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)
QCast (Podcast downloader)
QRead (eBook Reader)
OverDrive for Windows
People
Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader)
Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)
Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)
RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)
Sendspace Wizard
Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard)
Speak On Media Suite (For accessing RNIB Newspapers etc)
Spotify
SyncBack Free (Back up utility)
Switch (Media Converter)
Task Manager
Tapin Radio
TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books)
Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing)
TWBlue (Twitter Client)
Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)
VLC media player
Windows Media Player
Waterfox Portable
Word
WordPad
Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound car)
Hope we can start something here.
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*From: *David Griffith via Groups.Io <mailto:daj.griffith=gmail.com@groups.io> *Sent: *15 November 2019 14:12 *To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject: *Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
I changed the subject line to reflect the new discussion.
As a starting point on this list it would be useful if people could list the programs they know work well on their system with Jaws.
I can offer one tip to make it easier to establish which app people have on their system. Someone might have a better idea.
If you type or copy and paste the following command into the windows R run dialogue,
shell:AppsFolder command
and press enter
This will open a list view with all the apps you have on your system.
You can simply arrow down to review then all.
Here you can press enter to run the app or perhaps more usefully use the context key to create a shortcut .
For our purposes here you simply have to cursor down the list of aps, after about 10 apps open the Jaws speech history with insert space , then H and you should see the list of apps you have arrowed down in a form that you can copy and paste into a notepad file by pressing control a and then control c.
Alt tab back to your apps folder and continue cursoring down for about 10 app, open speech history history again and copy the resulting apps into your notepad file.
Continue until you have a file list of all the apps on your system.
As I say someone else might have a more elegant solution.
In any case edit the Notepad file to delete all the apps you know don’t work with Jaws.
Also you should probably delete any app that you don’t know if they work with Jaws or if you don’t want anybody else to know you have this app on your system.
I’ll try and do this as a starter list and others can then add or criticise the resulting list I have.
David Griffith
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*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@soprasteria.com> *Sent: *15 November 2019 13:24 *To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
Yes David, even I was delighted to find that JAWS works on this as it didn’t work on other apps I tried.
As for having a resource which could provide us with the list of JAWS accessible program, I think it will be immensely useful. Perhaps we can put the programs/Apps names in an excel and share it. May be we can give it versions so if any one wishes to add any list of programs or apps names, they can add these to the existing list and save it to the next version and share it in this group.
Perhaps it would work at least for the interim untill such a resource is available through Vispero.
Thanks
Meesha
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 12:33 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
Very glad it worked– I did see this option on the Microsoft Store but I was not sure you would be able to use it. I am especially pleased it is accessible with Jaws. Not all apps are though I think the situation is improving.
We need an Apple Vis type website with category lists of programs and Microsoft Store Apps Which are confirmed to work with Jaws.
There is something called NVDA Road tested Programs on Accessibility Net which is pretty much guaranteed to provide options for Jaws as well but somethings are accessible with Jaws and not NVDA and vice versa.
There used to be a Programs page on the old Jaws User Mailing list website but this seems defunct now and will not load here. Tom Lorimore’s White Stick website will not be update given his recent sad death. I don’t know if anybody else knows of a similar resource?
VFO Should really host this for the community I guess but if anybody has a web page that could be used I would be happy to provide some program suggestions and comments.
David Griffith
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha *Sent:* 15 November 2019 08:26 *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
Good Idea David, I tried a world clock app on the Microsoft store and it is accessible with JAWS and it groups different time zones although I have to navigate few times to reach it. Good part is that I can add more than five, not that I need that manyJ
Thanks for the suggestion.
Meesha
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:22 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
As a workaround have you tried separate World Clock applications or Website?
For example
https://greenwichmeantime.com/timepiece/world-clock/
Once you have set a website like this up to your desired time zone you can set it up as a shortcut on your desktop or even, with a bit of further fiddling and editing of the shortcut, put it on the windows 10 Taskbar. Let me know if you want instructions on this.
In terms of apps rather than websites I think you will need to search for World Clock apps rather than clock apps as normal clock applications will just provide the standard feedback from the system time.
David Griffith
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*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@soprasteria.com> *Sent: *14 November 2019 07:35 *To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
Yes I did try to go to the clock after pressing Windows B and then navigating to the system clock however it only provides feedback for one clock and not the other one.
Thanks
Meesha
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io *Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:06 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
You probably cannot do it with the JAWS F12 keystroke to check time, but if both clocks appear on your System tray in the bottom right of your screen, then you can try using Windows key B to get to the system tray, then arrowing left or right to hear the clocks. I usually find focus is at the far left of the icons in the system tray, so it is fastest to arrow left and focus will quickly circle around to the far right of the icons where the standard system clock is.
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha *Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:01 AM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
Hi members,
Can I check time for two time zones simultaneously using JAWS?
I have added two clocks however JAWS just provides feedback for one of it so not sure how to access time for the other one.
Thanks,
Meesha
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Re: A Strange Jaws Cursor Problem
I have never used Jaws cursor on a web page, it has never worked for me and I can read everything on a page with the PC cursor. Glenn
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----- Original Message ----- From: "soner" <soner.boun@gmail.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 2:48 AM Subject: A Strange Jaws Cursor Problem Hello Listers, I face a weird issue in Jaws Cursor mode only on Google Chrome browser that, though I could read lines through arrow keys, I cannot locate a word or a letter. In other words, I cannot navigate word by word or character by character in Jaws Cursor Mode. When I try to do it, It just says, "space". That is a problem, because I cannot move on where I like to get, thus cannot simulate mouse click . The problem 'is encountered with the final JFW2020 on Windows 10 Pro Edition.
Anybody having this issue or any solution?
Thanks in advance.
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Re: JAWS and Think Pad
Actually, that key combination does sound right, but when I
tried them I got no sound and had to do a hard restart to get
sound back.
Maria Campbell
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On 11/19/2019 7:40 PM, Jason White via
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I’m sorry – I might have given the wrong
keystroke. Can anyone else remember what the keystroke is to
switch the action of the function keys?
Uh, I did that and lost all sound. Had to do a hard shutdown
with my Lenovo.
Maria Campbell
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All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
On 11/19/2019 6:53 PM, Jason White via
Groups.Io wrote:
I don’t think so. So far as I know,
it’s specific to Lenovo.
Is that function key plus escape of use with all laptops?
Maria Campbell
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All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
On 11/19/2019 6:38 PM, Jason White
via Groups.Io wrote:
I use JAWS on a ThinkPad P51. It’s
a 15-inch laptop with numeric keypad, and designed for
high performance. The successor model is the P53,
which I think is currently available.
If this is too heavy (and it is not
light weight), there’s the ThinkPad P1, which also
offers high performance in terms of memory, CPU and
storage, but without the numeric keypad. Obviously,
there are other models. I haven’t used a P1, but I do
have access to a Lenovo ThinkPad P50S at work, which
also runs JAWS well. The P50S has the numeric keypad
keys too.
The important change I made on my
laptop was to press FN+Escape to switch the function
keys from acting as special controls to serving as
actual function keys.
Has anyone ever used JAWS on a
Think Pad? If so, what Think Pad?
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Re: Edge? Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
I'm an Edge user and it works wonderfully with Jaws. I do experience quite a bit of browser crashing, though I don't believe that has anything to do with Jaws or accessiblity.
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On 11/20/2019 7:34 AM, David Griffith wrote: Thanks for the suggestion ----- - I will add search everything from void tools to the Master List - perhaps even try it myself. In relation to Edge I would like to invite other comments. I don't routinely use Edge myself but left it in for the time being for two reason. 1. FS claim that they support Edge - I am not sure if the Edge support settings still exists in Jaws or whether these are default now. 2. Edge is not being abandoned. Reports from the Windows Insider is that the next Chromium based Edge Browser is actually apparently working really well with screenreaders including jaws.
If there is wider support for excluding Edge I will go with the consensus and remove it for now but it seems it will have to be introduced with the next release of Windows anyway. David Griffith
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett Sent: 20 November 2019 01:07 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
I have an issue with edge being included in the list. It is barely passable. and is being dropped by MS anyway. I would also suggest search everything from void tools as it is completly accessible and works better than windows search.On 11/19/2019 12:53 PM, David Griffith wrote:
OK here is a first stab at a categorised master list below. The final list will probably have the categories rearranged but this is a first draft only.
Microsoft Store Apps World Clock KNFB Reader (Paid)
Office Word - all versions (Paid) Jarte + (Free and Paid versions) Excel all versions. (Paid) Wordpad (included with Windows ) Notepad (included with Windows )
Email and Messenging Microsoft Outlook all versions. (Paid) Windows Mail (included with Windows ) Thunderbird (Free) TW Blue Twitter Client. (Free or donation) Microsoft People (included with Windows ) Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing and saving of contacts) (Free)
Cloud Storage DropBox (Free and Paid) OneDrive (Free and Paid) SendSpace Wizard (Free and Paid) Open Drive Desktop client.(Free and Paid) iCloud also (for transfer to iPhone and iPad)(Free and Paid)
Programming- Web Development Cisco Jabber Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on Cisco website Oracle applications Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance module which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)
Podcasts and News readers. RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free) QCastv (paid) Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free)
Compression and File Utility 7-Zip (Free) DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory. (Free) SyncBack Free (Back up utility) Free and paid versions) Explorer ++ (Fast alternative to File Explorer) (Free) Master Seeker (Fast file finder) (Free) Bulk Rename Utility (Multiple File rename) (Free) Copy Path - Copy file path to clipboard from application menu. (Free) Copy file Names (Can copy multiple filenames from selected files to clipboard via application key.) (Free)
OCR and Scanning ABBYY FineReader 12(paid) Kurzweil V14. (paid) Open Book (paid)
Audio and CD Tools Audacity )Free ) GoldWave (Free and Paid versions) Format Factory (File Conversion)(Free) Switch File Conversion. (paid) FreeM4B to Mp3 converter (Need to use Jaws Cursor) (Free) Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader) (Free) Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound card)(Free) Mp3DirectCut (Free) Mp3Gain(Free) Mp3Tag (Free) CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)(Free) CD Burner XP (CD Burner (Free) DVD Audio Extractor (Paide)
Daisy and Audio Book Software FSReader 3 (Included with Jaws) HumanWare Companion (For Victor reader Devices) (Free) Daisy Book Generator (Converts Audio Books into Daisy Books) (Free) Audible Manager and downloader (Now buggy as not updated - need to install Windows 7/8 Versions.) (Free) Inaudible Audible book Converter (Free) OverDrive for Windows (Free) Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)(Free)
eBook reading Kindle PC app all versions (Free) QRead (Paid) Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader) (Free) Bookworm ) (Free) FSReader (included with Jawws) SpeakOn Media Suite (Free) Codex eBook Converter. (Free) TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books from eBooks) (Paid)
Music radio and Media Players VLC (Free) WinAmp (Free) Windows Media Player included With Windows) iTunes (Needs column browser enabled for use with screenreader) (Free) BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie) (Free) BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie) (Free) SpeakOn Media Suite (Free) Tapin Radio (Free and Paid versions) Spotify (Free and paid versions)
Speech TTS Eloquence (paid) Ivona Voices. (paid)
Other Utilities Belarc Advisor ) (Diagnostics) (Free) Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)(Free) Clock2 (Clock announce , reminder and alarm(Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free) CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications running)(Free) Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing) (Free for clients) Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard) (Free) Irfanview (Image viewing and editing Software.) (Free)
Web Browsers (all free) Google chrome Brave Firefox Waterfox Internet explorer (included with Windows) edge (included with Windows)
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: 19 November 2019 15:15 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
right, keep it as simple as possible. sounds good. let this list continue as started.
-------- Original Message -------- From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@gmail.com] To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 8:33 PM Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs I do think we should start simple rather than get bogged down. But I also think that over time we could develop something more useful. For example I don't agree that the list should or must get too long provided we develop the right presentation. In this case it should be very easy right from the start to devise categories of app with simple headings. For example Office Productivity Email and Messaging. Audio and Video Tools File Management and Compression Media Players Microsoft Store Apps Inbuilt Windows apps Games and so on an so on. We could hopefully agree as a group on this list what the most logical categories are. There would then be relatively few programs and apps in each category and people could jump to the category they are most interested in by a press of the H key.
Eventually a short description and information on how to obtain the app would in my view also be good including a download link if possible.
In terms of reliability/authenticity / validity of app suggestions I would not take too heavy a hand. Perhaps this could be best managed in the future by an option to post comments which could query the suitability of an app posting and any possible problems with using it.
For the present, before we find out how to develop a formal web page comment facility , we could immediately instead simply use our existing email list here to discuss whether an app is really suitable for the accessible program resource list.
People who disagree that an app is accessible could express their concerns here and other defend / explain how they manage to use the app. Hopefully a consensus could then be reached with possibly some clarifying access strategies included in the app/program description. In the unlikely event such an initiative is abused I guess we need to agree someone to have responsibility for removing app suggestions to the program list. but I would anticipate that this would be rarely if ever needed and instead a light touch rather than a heavy handed approach would hopefully suffice. We are hopefully all grown up. This is all down the line though and I hope negative worries do not bog us down. We need just a simple platform to host a list in the first place I think, and work from there. I am sure many would find it immediately useful even in this stripped down initial presentation of a categorised list. I am happy to help with some legwork but I think it should be a group initiative really plus my web page skills are presently restricted to just running a Word Press blog. David Griffith
they -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: 18 November 2019 21:57 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
if this list is going to continue, at some point, the list is going to get too long.
I thought a wiki is a webpage where members can contribute to a project of some sort. the concern is that someone can unintentionally add something that is inaccurate, not up to date, or misleading. so, that creates the question, is someone going to be in charge of maintaining the wiki to make sure the information is correct?
-------- Original Message -------- From: JM Casey [mailto:jmcasey@teksavvy.com] To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 3:32 PM Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Well, the idea is interesting and, in response to Randy or someone else who posted on this topic, I started writing a list of the stuff I have on here. But if not a wiki, or something along a similar concept, what do you suggest? I mean, the whole point would be that users could contribute, no? otherwise, the project wouldn't really get off the ground -- it would just be one or two guys' opinions on what programmes work well on their homepage, and, as you say, "who wants that?" :P
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: November 18, 2019 2:53 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
I agree there should be a central repository (website) where members or non members who are blind or visually impaired could read about a program and save it to their computer if they want to use a copy, but I disagree it should be connected to a wiki page. I was participating in a group discussion (a few years ago) and we decided to create a wiki page with alot of information about our discussions but hardly anyone wanted to spend the time to contribute to the wiki. plus, using a wiki where members can post inaccurate information about a program or procedure, and who wants that.
-------- Original Message -------- From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@gmail.com] To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 10:18 AM Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Many thanks
I have saved your additions and will create a master list.
I agree that a short description would be helpful.
Also eventually a download link or advice on how to get the application would also be helpful I think,.
Someone suggested that a Wiki page may be available to this list which may host this information.
I don’t know if anybody knows if this is true and whether or how we could use it for such a purpose.
Thanks again
David Griffith
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha *Sent:* 18 November 2019 08:31 *To:* main@jfw.groups.io *Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
Thanks David, it’s a good start. It will also give us idea about using various JAWS compatible programs which may be useful to us other than we are currently using. Perhaps a small description can be added to those which are not obvious in their use.I have added two extra –Cisco Jabber & Oracle applications
Thanks
Meesha
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 3:37 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
I followed my own advice and reproduce the list of programs on my system that I have used at least once or twice with Jaws can think is accessible. Some programs I have used more than others. I have used MP3Direct cut hundreds of times but Audacity less so if people want any clarification of the programs I use then the amount of feedback I will be able to give will vary.
By the way in creating the application folder tip I gave earlier I forgot to remember that you get more joy arrowing rightwards rather than with the down arrow in reading what all your installed apps are.
Anyway here we go as a start list.
N.B rather than reproduce all these People could perhaps add programs that they are using to this list and I can try and consolidate it all into a master list.
Programs I am personally using with Jaws.
7-Zip
ABBYY FineReader 12
Audacity
Audible Manager and downloader
Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader)
BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie)
BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie)
Belarc Advisor (Diagnostics)
Brave Browser
Bookworm (eBook reader – only just installed)
Bulk Rename Utility
CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)
CD Burner XP (CD Burner – have only used to limited extent)
CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications running)
Clock2 (Webbie Accessibility Suite)
Copy file Names
Copy Path
Codex eBook Converter.
Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on Cisco website
Daisy Book Generator
DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory.
Dropbox
DVD Audio Extractor
Eloquence
Excel
Explorer ++
Firefox Portable
Format Factory (File Conversion)
FreeM4B to Mp3 converter
FSReader 3
GoldWave
Google Chrome
Humanware Companion (For Victor reader Devices)
Internet Explorer
Inaudible Audible book Converter
iCloud (for transfer to iPone and iPad)
iTunes
IrfanView (image viewer- now only use to Jaws OCR on)
Jarte +(Wordpad Replacement with spellchecker and other features)
Jaws 2019
JAWS 2020
Kindle Accessible Version
Kurzweil 1000 v. 14
NVDA
Mail
Master Seeker (Fast file finder)
Microsoft Edge
Mp3Directcut (easy editing of mp3 files)
MP3Gain(increase volume of mp3 files)
MP3Tag (edit and quickly create mp3 ags)
Narrator
Notepad
Office
OneDrive
Outlook
Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing and saving of contacts)
Open Book
Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance module which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)
QCast (Podcast downloader)
QRead (eBook Reader)
OverDrive for Windows
People
Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader)
Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)
Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)
RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)
Sendspace Wizard
Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard)
Speak On Media Suite (For accessing RNIB Newspapers etc)
Spotify
SyncBack Free (Back up utility)
Switch (Media Converter)
Task Manager
Tapin Radio
TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books)
Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing)
TWBlue (Twitter Client)
Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)
VLC media player
Windows Media Player
Waterfox Portable
Word
WordPad
Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound car)
Hope we can start something here.
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*From: *David Griffith via Groups.Io <mailto:daj.griffith=gmail.com@groups.io> *Sent: *15 November 2019 14:12 *To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject: *Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
I changed the subject line to reflect the new discussion.
As a starting point on this list it would be useful if people could list the programs they know work well on their system with Jaws.
I can offer one tip to make it easier to establish which app people have on their system. Someone might have a better idea.
If you type or copy and paste the following command into the windows R run dialogue,
shell:AppsFolder command
and press enter
This will open a list view with all the apps you have on your system.
You can simply arrow down to review then all.
Here you can press enter to run the app or perhaps more usefully use the context key to create a shortcut .
For our purposes here you simply have to cursor down the list of aps, after about 10 apps open the Jaws speech history with insert space , then H and you should see the list of apps you have arrowed down in a form that you can copy and paste into a notepad file by pressing control a and then control c.
Alt tab back to your apps folder and continue cursoring down for about 10 app, open speech history history again and copy the resulting apps into your notepad file.
Continue until you have a file list of all the apps on your system.
As I say someone else might have a more elegant solution.
In any case edit the Notepad file to delete all the apps you know don’t work with Jaws.
Also you should probably delete any app that you don’t know if they work with Jaws or if you don’t want anybody else to know you have this app on your system.
I’ll try and do this as a starter list and others can then add or criticise the resulting list I have.
David Griffith
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*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@soprasteria.com> *Sent: *15 November 2019 13:24 *To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
Yes David, even I was delighted to find that JAWS works on this as it didn’t work on other apps I tried.
As for having a resource which could provide us with the list of JAWS accessible program, I think it will be immensely useful. Perhaps we can put the programs/Apps names in an excel and share it. May be we can give it versions so if any one wishes to add any list of programs or apps names, they can add these to the existing list and save it to the next version and share it in this group.
Perhaps it would work at least for the interim untill such a resource is available through Vispero.
Thanks
Meesha
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 12:33 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
Very glad it worked– I did see this option on the Microsoft Store but I was not sure you would be able to use it. I am especially pleased it is accessible with Jaws. Not all apps are though I think the situation is improving.
We need an Apple Vis type website with category lists of programs and Microsoft Store Apps Which are confirmed to work with Jaws.
There is something called NVDA Road tested Programs on Accessibility Net which is pretty much guaranteed to provide options for Jaws as well but somethings are accessible with Jaws and not NVDA and vice versa.
There used to be a Programs page on the old Jaws User Mailing list website but this seems defunct now and will not load here. Tom Lorimore’s White Stick website will not be update given his recent sad death. I don’t know if anybody else knows of a similar resource?
VFO Should really host this for the community I guess but if anybody has a web page that could be used I would be happy to provide some program suggestions and comments.
David Griffith
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha *Sent:* 15 November 2019 08:26 *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
Good Idea David, I tried a world clock app on the Microsoft store and it is accessible with JAWS and it groups different time zones although I have to navigate few times to reach it. Good part is that I can add more than five, not that I need that manyJ
Thanks for the suggestion.
Meesha
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:22 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
As a workaround have you tried separate World Clock applications or Website?
For example
https://greenwichmeantime.com/timepiece/world-clock/
Once you have set a website like this up to your desired time zone you can set it up as a shortcut on your desktop or even, with a bit of further fiddling and editing of the shortcut, put it on the windows 10 Taskbar. Let me know if you want instructions on this.
In terms of apps rather than websites I think you will need to search for World Clock apps rather than clock apps as normal clock applications will just provide the standard feedback from the system time.
David Griffith
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*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@soprasteria.com> *Sent: *14 November 2019 07:35 *To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
Yes I did try to go to the clock after pressing Windows B and then navigating to the system clock however it only provides feedback for one clock and not the other one.
Thanks
Meesha
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io *Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:06 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
You probably cannot do it with the JAWS F12 keystroke to check time, but if both clocks appear on your System tray in the bottom right of your screen, then you can try using Windows key B to get to the system tray, then arrowing left or right to hear the clocks. I usually find focus is at the far left of the icons in the system tray, so it is fastest to arrow left and focus will quickly circle around to the far right of the icons where the standard system clock is.
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha *Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:01 AM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
Hi members,
Can I check time for two time zones simultaneously using JAWS?
I have added two clocks however JAWS just provides feedback for one of it so not sure how to access time for the other one.
Thanks,
Meesha
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Re: Edge? Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
Thanks for the suggestion ----- - I will add search everything from void tools to the Master List - perhaps even try it myself. In relation to Edge I would like to invite other comments. I don't routinely use Edge myself but left it in for the time being for two reason. 1. FS claim that they support Edge - I am not sure if the Edge support settings still exists in Jaws or whether these are default now. 2. Edge is not being abandoned. Reports from the Windows Insider is that the next Chromium based Edge Browser is actually apparently working really well with screenreaders including jaws. If there is wider support for excluding Edge I will go with the consensus and remove it for now but it seems it will have to be introduced with the next release of Windows anyway. David Griffith From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett Sent: 20 November 2019 01:07 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs I have an issue with edge being included in the list. It is barely passable. and is being dropped by MS anyway. I would also suggest search everything from void tools as it is completly accessible and works better than windows search.On 11/19/2019 12:53 PM, David Griffith wrote: OK here is a first stab at a categorised master list below. The final list will probably have the categories rearranged but this is a first draft only.
Microsoft Store Apps World Clock KNFB Reader (Paid)
Office Word - all versions (Paid) Jarte + (Free and Paid versions) Excel all versions. (Paid) Wordpad (included with Windows ) Notepad (included with Windows )
Email and Messenging Microsoft Outlook all versions. (Paid) Windows Mail (included with Windows ) Thunderbird (Free) TW Blue Twitter Client. (Free or donation) Microsoft People (included with Windows ) Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing and saving of contacts) (Free)
Cloud Storage DropBox (Free and Paid) OneDrive (Free and Paid) SendSpace Wizard (Free and Paid) Open Drive Desktop client.(Free and Paid) iCloud also (for transfer to iPhone and iPad)(Free and Paid)
Programming- Web Development Cisco Jabber Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on Cisco website Oracle applications Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance module which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)
Podcasts and News readers. RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free) QCastv (paid) Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free)
Compression and File Utility 7-Zip (Free) DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory. (Free) SyncBack Free (Back up utility) Free and paid versions) Explorer ++ (Fast alternative to File Explorer) (Free) Master Seeker (Fast file finder) (Free) Bulk Rename Utility (Multiple File rename) (Free) Copy Path - Copy file path to clipboard from application menu. (Free) Copy file Names (Can copy multiple filenames from selected files to clipboard via application key.) (Free)
OCR and Scanning ABBYY FineReader 12(paid) Kurzweil V14. (paid) Open Book (paid)
Audio and CD Tools Audacity )Free ) GoldWave (Free and Paid versions) Format Factory (File Conversion)(Free) Switch File Conversion. (paid) FreeM4B to Mp3 converter (Need to use Jaws Cursor) (Free) Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader) (Free) Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound card)(Free) Mp3DirectCut (Free) Mp3Gain(Free) Mp3Tag (Free) CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)(Free) CD Burner XP (CD Burner (Free) DVD Audio Extractor (Paide)
Daisy and Audio Book Software FSReader 3 (Included with Jaws) HumanWare Companion (For Victor reader Devices) (Free) Daisy Book Generator (Converts Audio Books into Daisy Books) (Free) Audible Manager and downloader (Now buggy as not updated - need to install Windows 7/8 Versions.) (Free) Inaudible Audible book Converter (Free) OverDrive for Windows (Free) Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)(Free)
eBook reading Kindle PC app all versions (Free) QRead (Paid) Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader) (Free) Bookworm ) (Free) FSReader (included with Jawws) SpeakOn Media Suite (Free) Codex eBook Converter. (Free) TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books from eBooks) (Paid)
Music radio and Media Players VLC (Free) WinAmp (Free) Windows Media Player included With Windows) iTunes (Needs column browser enabled for use with screenreader) (Free) BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie) (Free) BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie) (Free) SpeakOn Media Suite (Free) Tapin Radio (Free and Paid versions) Spotify (Free and paid versions)
Speech TTS Eloquence (paid) Ivona Voices. (paid)
Other Utilities Belarc Advisor ) (Diagnostics) (Free) Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)(Free) Clock2 (Clock announce , reminder and alarm(Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free) CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications running)(Free) Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing) (Free for clients) Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard) (Free) Irfanview (Image viewing and editing Software.) (Free)
Web Browsers (all free) Google chrome Brave Firefox Waterfox Internet explorer (included with Windows) edge (included with Windows)
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: 19 November 2019 15:15 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
right, keep it as simple as possible. sounds good. let this list continue as started.
-------- Original Message -------- From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@gmail.com] To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 8:33 PM Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs I do think we should start simple rather than get bogged down. But I also think that over time we could develop something more useful. For example I don't agree that the list should or must get too long provided we develop the right presentation. In this case it should be very easy right from the start to devise categories of app with simple headings. For example Office Productivity Email and Messaging. Audio and Video Tools File Management and Compression Media Players Microsoft Store Apps Inbuilt Windows apps Games and so on an so on. We could hopefully agree as a group on this list what the most logical categories are. There would then be relatively few programs and apps in each category and people could jump to the category they are most interested in by a press of the H key.
Eventually a short description and information on how to obtain the app would in my view also be good including a download link if possible.
In terms of reliability/authenticity / validity of app suggestions I would not take too heavy a hand. Perhaps this could be best managed in the future by an option to post comments which could query the suitability of an app posting and any possible problems with using it.
For the present, before we find out how to develop a formal web page comment facility , we could immediately instead simply use our existing email list here to discuss whether an app is really suitable for the accessible program resource list.
People who disagree that an app is accessible could express their concerns here and other defend / explain how they manage to use the app. Hopefully a consensus could then be reached with possibly some clarifying access strategies included in the app/program description. In the unlikely event such an initiative is abused I guess we need to agree someone to have responsibility for removing app suggestions to the program list. but I would anticipate that this would be rarely if ever needed and instead a light touch rather than a heavy handed approach would hopefully suffice. We are hopefully all grown up. This is all down the line though and I hope negative worries do not bog us down. We need just a simple platform to host a list in the first place I think, and work from there. I am sure many would find it immediately useful even in this stripped down initial presentation of a categorised list. I am happy to help with some legwork but I think it should be a group initiative really plus my web page skills are presently restricted to just running a Word Press blog. David Griffith
they -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: 18 November 2019 21:57 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
if this list is going to continue, at some point, the list is going to get too long.
I thought a wiki is a webpage where members can contribute to a project of some sort. the concern is that someone can unintentionally add something that is inaccurate, not up to date, or misleading. so, that creates the question, is someone going to be in charge of maintaining the wiki to make sure the information is correct?
-------- Original Message -------- From: JM Casey [mailto:jmcasey@teksavvy.com] To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 3:32 PM Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Well, the idea is interesting and, in response to Randy or someone else who posted on this topic, I started writing a list of the stuff I have on here. But if not a wiki, or something along a similar concept, what do you suggest? I mean, the whole point would be that users could contribute, no? otherwise, the project wouldn't really get off the ground -- it would just be one or two guys' opinions on what programmes work well on their homepage, and, as you say, "who wants that?" :P
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: November 18, 2019 2:53 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
I agree there should be a central repository (website) where members or non members who are blind or visually impaired could read about a program and save it to their computer if they want to use a copy, but I disagree it should be connected to a wiki page. I was participating in a group discussion (a few years ago) and we decided to create a wiki page with alot of information about our discussions but hardly anyone wanted to spend the time to contribute to the wiki. plus, using a wiki where members can post inaccurate information about a program or procedure, and who wants that.
-------- Original Message -------- From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@gmail.com] To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 10:18 AM Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Many thanks
I have saved your additions and will create a master list.
I agree that a short description would be helpful.
Also eventually a download link or advice on how to get the application would also be helpful I think,.
Someone suggested that a Wiki page may be available to this list which may host this information.
I don’t know if anybody knows if this is true and whether or how we could use it for such a purpose.
Thanks again
David Griffith
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha *Sent:* 18 November 2019 08:31 *To:* main@jfw.groups.io *Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
Thanks David, it’s a good start. It will also give us idea about using various JAWS compatible programs which may be useful to us other than we are currently using. Perhaps a small description can be added to those which are not obvious in their use.I have added two extra –Cisco Jabber & Oracle applications
Thanks
Meesha
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 3:37 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
I followed my own advice and reproduce the list of programs on my system that I have used at least once or twice with Jaws can think is accessible. Some programs I have used more than others. I have used MP3Direct cut hundreds of times but Audacity less so if people want any clarification of the programs I use then the amount of feedback I will be able to give will vary.
By the way in creating the application folder tip I gave earlier I forgot to remember that you get more joy arrowing rightwards rather than with the down arrow in reading what all your installed apps are.
Anyway here we go as a start list.
N.B rather than reproduce all these People could perhaps add programs that they are using to this list and I can try and consolidate it all into a master list.
Programs I am personally using with Jaws.
7-Zip
ABBYY FineReader 12
Audacity
Audible Manager and downloader
Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader)
BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie)
BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie)
Belarc Advisor (Diagnostics)
Brave Browser
Bookworm (eBook reader – only just installed)
Bulk Rename Utility
CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)
CD Burner XP (CD Burner – have only used to limited extent)
CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications running)
Clock2 (Webbie Accessibility Suite)
Copy file Names
Copy Path
Codex eBook Converter.
Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on Cisco website
Daisy Book Generator
DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory.
Dropbox
DVD Audio Extractor
Eloquence
Excel
Explorer ++
Firefox Portable
Format Factory (File Conversion)
FreeM4B to Mp3 converter
FSReader 3
GoldWave
Google Chrome
Humanware Companion (For Victor reader Devices)
Internet Explorer
Inaudible Audible book Converter
iCloud (for transfer to iPone and iPad)
iTunes
IrfanView (image viewer- now only use to Jaws OCR on)
Jarte +(Wordpad Replacement with spellchecker and other features)
Jaws 2019
JAWS 2020
Kindle Accessible Version
Kurzweil 1000 v. 14
NVDA
Mail
Master Seeker (Fast file finder)
Microsoft Edge
Mp3Directcut (easy editing of mp3 files)
MP3Gain(increase volume of mp3 files)
MP3Tag (edit and quickly create mp3 ags)
Narrator
Notepad
Office
OneDrive
Outlook
Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing and saving of contacts)
Open Book
Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance module which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)
QCast (Podcast downloader)
QRead (eBook Reader)
OverDrive for Windows
People
Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader)
Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)
Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)
RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)
Sendspace Wizard
Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard)
Speak On Media Suite (For accessing RNIB Newspapers etc)
Spotify
SyncBack Free (Back up utility)
Switch (Media Converter)
Task Manager
Tapin Radio
TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books)
Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing)
TWBlue (Twitter Client)
Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)
VLC media player
Windows Media Player
Waterfox Portable
Word
WordPad
Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound car)
Hope we can start something here.
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*From: *David Griffith via Groups.Io <mailto:daj.griffith=gmail.com@groups.io> *Sent: *15 November 2019 14:12 *To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject: *Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
I changed the subject line to reflect the new discussion.
As a starting point on this list it would be useful if people could list the programs they know work well on their system with Jaws.
I can offer one tip to make it easier to establish which app people have on their system. Someone might have a better idea.
If you type or copy and paste the following command into the windows R run dialogue,
shell:AppsFolder command
and press enter
This will open a list view with all the apps you have on your system.
You can simply arrow down to review then all.
Here you can press enter to run the app or perhaps more usefully use the context key to create a shortcut .
For our purposes here you simply have to cursor down the list of aps, after about 10 apps open the Jaws speech history with insert space , then H and you should see the list of apps you have arrowed down in a form that you can copy and paste into a notepad file by pressing control a and then control c.
Alt tab back to your apps folder and continue cursoring down for about 10 app, open speech history history again and copy the resulting apps into your notepad file.
Continue until you have a file list of all the apps on your system.
As I say someone else might have a more elegant solution.
In any case edit the Notepad file to delete all the apps you know don’t work with Jaws.
Also you should probably delete any app that you don’t know if they work with Jaws or if you don’t want anybody else to know you have this app on your system.
I’ll try and do this as a starter list and others can then add or criticise the resulting list I have.
David Griffith
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*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@soprasteria.com> *Sent: *15 November 2019 13:24 *To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
Yes David, even I was delighted to find that JAWS works on this as it didn’t work on other apps I tried.
As for having a resource which could provide us with the list of JAWS accessible program, I think it will be immensely useful. Perhaps we can put the programs/Apps names in an excel and share it. May be we can give it versions so if any one wishes to add any list of programs or apps names, they can add these to the existing list and save it to the next version and share it in this group.
Perhaps it would work at least for the interim untill such a resource is available through Vispero.
Thanks
Meesha
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 12:33 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
Very glad it worked– I did see this option on the Microsoft Store but I was not sure you would be able to use it. I am especially pleased it is accessible with Jaws. Not all apps are though I think the situation is improving.
We need an Apple Vis type website with category lists of programs and Microsoft Store Apps Which are confirmed to work with Jaws.
There is something called NVDA Road tested Programs on Accessibility Net which is pretty much guaranteed to provide options for Jaws as well but somethings are accessible with Jaws and not NVDA and vice versa.
There used to be a Programs page on the old Jaws User Mailing list website but this seems defunct now and will not load here. Tom Lorimore’s White Stick website will not be update given his recent sad death. I don’t know if anybody else knows of a similar resource?
VFO Should really host this for the community I guess but if anybody has a web page that could be used I would be happy to provide some program suggestions and comments.
David Griffith
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha *Sent:* 15 November 2019 08:26 *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
Good Idea David, I tried a world clock app on the Microsoft store and it is accessible with JAWS and it groups different time zones although I have to navigate few times to reach it. Good part is that I can add more than five, not that I need that manyJ
Thanks for the suggestion.
Meesha
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:22 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
As a workaround have you tried separate World Clock applications or Website?
For example
https://greenwichmeantime.com/timepiece/world-clock/
Once you have set a website like this up to your desired time zone you can set it up as a shortcut on your desktop or even, with a bit of further fiddling and editing of the shortcut, put it on the windows 10 Taskbar. Let me know if you want instructions on this.
In terms of apps rather than websites I think you will need to search for World Clock apps rather than clock apps as normal clock applications will just provide the standard feedback from the system time.
David Griffith
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*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@soprasteria.com> *Sent: *14 November 2019 07:35 *To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
Yes I did try to go to the clock after pressing Windows B and then navigating to the system clock however it only provides feedback for one clock and not the other one.
Thanks
Meesha
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io *Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:06 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
You probably cannot do it with the JAWS F12 keystroke to check time, but if both clocks appear on your System tray in the bottom right of your screen, then you can try using Windows key B to get to the system tray, then arrowing left or right to hear the clocks. I usually find focus is at the far left of the icons in the system tray, so it is fastest to arrow left and focus will quickly circle around to the far right of the icons where the standard system clock is.
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha *Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:01 AM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
Hi members,
Can I check time for two time zones simultaneously using JAWS?
I have added two clocks however JAWS just provides feedback for one of it so not sure how to access time for the other one.
Thanks,
Meesha
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Re: A Strange Jaws Cursor Problem
Have you tried doing it in virtual cursor mode, then routing the jaws cursor and clicking? I think that's how I've always had to do it.
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On 11/20/2019 02:48, soner wrote: Hello Listers, I face a weird issue in Jaws Cursor mode only on Google Chrome browser that, though I could read lines through arrow keys, I cannot locate a word or a letter. In other words, I cannot navigate word by word or character by character in Jaws Cursor Mode. When I try to do it, It just says, "space". That is a problem, because I cannot move on where I like to get, thus cannot simulate mouse click . The problem 'is encountered with the final JFW2020 on Windows 10 Pro Edition.
Anybody having this issue or any solution?
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A Strange Jaws Cursor Problem
Hello Listers, I face a weird issue in Jaws Cursor mode only on Google Chrome browser that, though I could read lines through arrow keys, I cannot locate a word or a letter. In other words, I cannot navigate word by word or character by character in Jaws Cursor Mode. When I try to do it, It just says, "space". That is a problem, because I cannot move on where I like to get, thus cannot simulate mouse click . The problem 'is encountered with the final JFW2020 on Windows 10 Pro Edition.
Anybody having this issue or any solution?
Thanks in advance.
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-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 7:08 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: quick keys The keystroke sequence for inserting date and time into all versions Word that I have used is Alt followed by I for insert followed by T for Time. This will open a dialogue from which you can select from a range of date and time formats. Hope that helps. David Griffith -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek Sent: 19 November 2019 22:36 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: quick keys You need to tell me. I opened Word and attempted these key strokes... noting happened... -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimsan via Groups.Io Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:27 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: quick keys Are you talking alt shift t and alt shift d? On Nov 19, 2019, at 11:20 AM, Rick Mladek <hmladek@neo.rr.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I know there used to be a quick or hot key to put in the time or the date, with most from email to spread sheets or word documents. Are these still available to hit the said hot key to install it within such applications as mentioned? Thanks for all your help,
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Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
I have an issue with edge being included in the list. It is barely passable. and is being dropped by MS anyway. I would also suggest search everything from void tools as it is completly accessible and works better than windows search.On 11/19/2019 12:53 PM, David Griffith wrote:
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OK here is a first stab at a categorised master list below. The final list will probably have the categories rearranged but this is a first draft only.
Microsoft Store Apps World Clock KNFB Reader (Paid)
Office Word - all versions (Paid) Jarte + (Free and Paid versions) Excel all versions. (Paid) Wordpad (included with Windows ) Notepad (included with Windows )
Email and Messenging Microsoft Outlook all versions. (Paid) Windows Mail (included with Windows ) Thunderbird (Free) TW Blue Twitter Client. (Free or donation) Microsoft People (included with Windows ) Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing and saving of contacts) (Free)
Cloud Storage DropBox (Free and Paid) OneDrive (Free and Paid) SendSpace Wizard (Free and Paid) Open Drive Desktop client.(Free and Paid) iCloud also (for transfer to iPhone and iPad)(Free and Paid)
Programming- Web Development Cisco Jabber Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on Cisco website Oracle applications Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance module which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)
Podcasts and News readers. RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free) QCastv (paid) Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free)
Compression and File Utility 7-Zip (Free) DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory. (Free) SyncBack Free (Back up utility) Free and paid versions) Explorer ++ (Fast alternative to File Explorer) (Free) Master Seeker (Fast file finder) (Free) Bulk Rename Utility (Multiple File rename) (Free) Copy Path - Copy file path to clipboard from application menu. (Free) Copy file Names (Can copy multiple filenames from selected files to clipboard via application key.) (Free)
OCR and Scanning ABBYY FineReader 12(paid) Kurzweil V14. (paid) Open Book (paid)
Audio and CD Tools Audacity )Free ) GoldWave (Free and Paid versions) Format Factory (File Conversion)(Free) Switch File Conversion. (paid) FreeM4B to Mp3 converter (Need to use Jaws Cursor) (Free) Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader) (Free) Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound card)(Free) Mp3DirectCut (Free) Mp3Gain(Free) Mp3Tag (Free) CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)(Free) CD Burner XP (CD Burner (Free) DVD Audio Extractor (Paide)
Daisy and Audio Book Software FSReader 3 (Included with Jaws) HumanWare Companion (For Victor reader Devices) (Free) Daisy Book Generator (Converts Audio Books into Daisy Books) (Free) Audible Manager and downloader (Now buggy as not updated - need to install Windows 7/8 Versions.) (Free) Inaudible Audible book Converter (Free) OverDrive for Windows (Free) Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)(Free)
eBook reading Kindle PC app all versions (Free) QRead (Paid) Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader) (Free) Bookworm ) (Free) FSReader (included with Jawws) SpeakOn Media Suite (Free) Codex eBook Converter. (Free) TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books from eBooks) (Paid)
Music radio and Media Players VLC (Free) WinAmp (Free) Windows Media Player included With Windows) iTunes (Needs column browser enabled for use with screenreader) (Free) BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie) (Free) BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie) (Free) SpeakOn Media Suite (Free) Tapin Radio (Free and Paid versions) Spotify (Free and paid versions)
Speech TTS Eloquence (paid) Ivona Voices. (paid)
Other Utilities Belarc Advisor ) (Diagnostics) (Free) Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)(Free) Clock2 (Clock announce , reminder and alarm(Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free) CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications running)(Free) Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing) (Free for clients) Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard) (Free) Irfanview (Image viewing and editing Software.) (Free)
Web Browsers (all free) Google chrome Brave Firefox Waterfox Internet explorer (included with Windows) edge (included with Windows)
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: 19 November 2019 15:15 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
right, keep it as simple as possible. sounds good. let this list continue as started.
-------- Original Message -------- From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@gmail.com] To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 8:33 PM Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs I do think we should start simple rather than get bogged down. But I also think that over time we could develop something more useful. For example I don't agree that the list should or must get too long provided we develop the right presentation. In this case it should be very easy right from the start to devise categories of app with simple headings. For example Office Productivity Email and Messaging. Audio and Video Tools File Management and Compression Media Players Microsoft Store Apps Inbuilt Windows apps Games and so on an so on. We could hopefully agree as a group on this list what the most logical categories are. There would then be relatively few programs and apps in each category and people could jump to the category they are most interested in by a press of the H key.
Eventually a short description and information on how to obtain the app would in my view also be good including a download link if possible.
In terms of reliability/authenticity / validity of app suggestions I would not take too heavy a hand. Perhaps this could be best managed in the future by an option to post comments which could query the suitability of an app posting and any possible problems with using it.
For the present, before we find out how to develop a formal web page comment facility , we could immediately instead simply use our existing email list here to discuss whether an app is really suitable for the accessible program resource list.
People who disagree that an app is accessible could express their concerns here and other defend / explain how they manage to use the app. Hopefully a consensus could then be reached with possibly some clarifying access strategies included in the app/program description. In the unlikely event such an initiative is abused I guess we need to agree someone to have responsibility for removing app suggestions to the program list. but I would anticipate that this would be rarely if ever needed and instead a light touch rather than a heavy handed approach would hopefully suffice. We are hopefully all grown up. This is all down the line though and I hope negative worries do not bog us down. We need just a simple platform to host a list in the first place I think, and work from there. I am sure many would find it immediately useful even in this stripped down initial presentation of a categorised list. I am happy to help with some legwork but I think it should be a group initiative really plus my web page skills are presently restricted to just running a Word Press blog. David Griffith
they -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: 18 November 2019 21:57 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
if this list is going to continue, at some point, the list is going to get too long.
I thought a wiki is a webpage where members can contribute to a project of some sort. the concern is that someone can unintentionally add something that is inaccurate, not up to date, or misleading. so, that creates the question, is someone going to be in charge of maintaining the wiki to make sure the information is correct?
-------- Original Message -------- From: JM Casey [mailto:jmcasey@teksavvy.com] To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 3:32 PM Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Well, the idea is interesting and, in response to Randy or someone else who posted on this topic, I started writing a list of the stuff I have on here. But if not a wiki, or something along a similar concept, what do you suggest? I mean, the whole point would be that users could contribute, no? otherwise, the project wouldn't really get off the ground -- it would just be one or two guys' opinions on what programmes work well on their homepage, and, as you say, "who wants that?" :P
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: November 18, 2019 2:53 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
I agree there should be a central repository (website) where members or non members who are blind or visually impaired could read about a program and save it to their computer if they want to use a copy, but I disagree it should be connected to a wiki page. I was participating in a group discussion (a few years ago) and we decided to create a wiki page with alot of information about our discussions but hardly anyone wanted to spend the time to contribute to the wiki. plus, using a wiki where members can post inaccurate information about a program or procedure, and who wants that.
-------- Original Message -------- From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@gmail.com] To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 10:18 AM Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Many thanks
I have saved your additions and will create a master list.
I agree that a short description would be helpful.
Also eventually a download link or advice on how to get the application would also be helpful I think,.
Someone suggested that a Wiki page may be available to this list which may host this information.
I don’t know if anybody knows if this is true and whether or how we could use it for such a purpose.
Thanks again
David Griffith
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha *Sent:* 18 November 2019 08:31 *To:* main@jfw.groups.io *Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
Thanks David, it’s a good start. It will also give us idea about using various JAWS compatible programs which may be useful to us other than we are currently using. Perhaps a small description can be added to those which are not obvious in their use.I have added two extra –Cisco Jabber & Oracle applications
Thanks
Meesha
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 3:37 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
I followed my own advice and reproduce the list of programs on my system that I have used at least once or twice with Jaws can think is accessible. Some programs I have used more than others. I have used MP3Direct cut hundreds of times but Audacity less so if people want any clarification of the programs I use then the amount of feedback I will be able to give will vary.
By the way in creating the application folder tip I gave earlier I forgot to remember that you get more joy arrowing rightwards rather than with the down arrow in reading what all your installed apps are.
Anyway here we go as a start list.
N.B rather than reproduce all these People could perhaps add programs that they are using to this list and I can try and consolidate it all into a master list.
Programs I am personally using with Jaws.
7-Zip
ABBYY FineReader 12
Audacity
Audible Manager and downloader
Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader)
BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie)
BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie)
Belarc Advisor (Diagnostics)
Brave Browser
Bookworm (eBook reader – only just installed)
Bulk Rename Utility
CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)
CD Burner XP (CD Burner – have only used to limited extent)
CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications running)
Clock2 (Webbie Accessibility Suite)
Copy file Names
Copy Path
Codex eBook Converter.
Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on Cisco website
Daisy Book Generator
DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory.
Dropbox
DVD Audio Extractor
Eloquence
Excel
Explorer ++
Firefox Portable
Format Factory (File Conversion)
FreeM4B to Mp3 converter
FSReader 3
GoldWave
Google Chrome
Humanware Companion (For Victor reader Devices)
Internet Explorer
Inaudible Audible book Converter
iCloud (for transfer to iPone and iPad)
iTunes
IrfanView (image viewer- now only use to Jaws OCR on)
Jarte +(Wordpad Replacement with spellchecker and other features)
Jaws 2019
JAWS 2020
Kindle Accessible Version
Kurzweil 1000 v. 14
NVDA
Mail
Master Seeker (Fast file finder)
Microsoft Edge
Mp3Directcut (easy editing of mp3 files)
MP3Gain(increase volume of mp3 files)
MP3Tag (edit and quickly create mp3 ags)
Narrator
Notepad
Office
OneDrive
Outlook
Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing and saving of contacts)
Open Book
Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance module which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)
QCast (Podcast downloader)
QRead (eBook Reader)
OverDrive for Windows
People
Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader)
Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)
Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)
RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)
Sendspace Wizard
Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard)
Speak On Media Suite (For accessing RNIB Newspapers etc)
Spotify
SyncBack Free (Back up utility)
Switch (Media Converter)
Task Manager
Tapin Radio
TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books)
Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing)
TWBlue (Twitter Client)
Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)
VLC media player
Windows Media Player
Waterfox Portable
Word
WordPad
Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound car)
Hope we can start something here.
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*From: *David Griffith via Groups.Io <mailto:daj.griffith=gmail.com@groups.io> *Sent: *15 November 2019 14:12 *To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject: *Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
I changed the subject line to reflect the new discussion.
As a starting point on this list it would be useful if people could list the programs they know work well on their system with Jaws.
I can offer one tip to make it easier to establish which app people have on their system. Someone might have a better idea.
If you type or copy and paste the following command into the windows R run dialogue,
shell:AppsFolder command
and press enter
This will open a list view with all the apps you have on your system.
You can simply arrow down to review then all.
Here you can press enter to run the app or perhaps more usefully use the context key to create a shortcut .
For our purposes here you simply have to cursor down the list of aps, after about 10 apps open the Jaws speech history with insert space , then H and you should see the list of apps you have arrowed down in a form that you can copy and paste into a notepad file by pressing control a and then control c.
Alt tab back to your apps folder and continue cursoring down for about 10 app, open speech history history again and copy the resulting apps into your notepad file.
Continue until you have a file list of all the apps on your system.
As I say someone else might have a more elegant solution.
In any case edit the Notepad file to delete all the apps you know don’t work with Jaws.
Also you should probably delete any app that you don’t know if they work with Jaws or if you don’t want anybody else to know you have this app on your system.
I’ll try and do this as a starter list and others can then add or criticise the resulting list I have.
David Griffith
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*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@soprasteria.com> *Sent: *15 November 2019 13:24 *To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
Yes David, even I was delighted to find that JAWS works on this as it didn’t work on other apps I tried.
As for having a resource which could provide us with the list of JAWS accessible program, I think it will be immensely useful. Perhaps we can put the programs/Apps names in an excel and share it. May be we can give it versions so if any one wishes to add any list of programs or apps names, they can add these to the existing list and save it to the next version and share it in this group.
Perhaps it would work at least for the interim untill such a resource is available through Vispero.
Thanks
Meesha
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 12:33 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
Very glad it worked– I did see this option on the Microsoft Store but I was not sure you would be able to use it. I am especially pleased it is accessible with Jaws. Not all apps are though I think the situation is improving.
We need an Apple Vis type website with category lists of programs and Microsoft Store Apps Which are confirmed to work with Jaws.
There is something called NVDA Road tested Programs on Accessibility Net which is pretty much guaranteed to provide options for Jaws as well but somethings are accessible with Jaws and not NVDA and vice versa.
There used to be a Programs page on the old Jaws User Mailing list website but this seems defunct now and will not load here. Tom Lorimore’s White Stick website will not be update given his recent sad death. I don’t know if anybody else knows of a similar resource?
VFO Should really host this for the community I guess but if anybody has a web page that could be used I would be happy to provide some program suggestions and comments.
David Griffith
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha *Sent:* 15 November 2019 08:26 *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
Good Idea David, I tried a world clock app on the Microsoft store and it is accessible with JAWS and it groups different time zones although I have to navigate few times to reach it. Good part is that I can add more than five, not that I need that manyJ
Thanks for the suggestion.
Meesha
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:22 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
As a workaround have you tried separate World Clock applications or Website?
For example
https://greenwichmeantime.com/timepiece/world-clock/
Once you have set a website like this up to your desired time zone you can set it up as a shortcut on your desktop or even, with a bit of further fiddling and editing of the shortcut, put it on the windows 10 Taskbar. Let me know if you want instructions on this.
In terms of apps rather than websites I think you will need to search for World Clock apps rather than clock apps as normal clock applications will just provide the standard feedback from the system time.
David Griffith
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*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@soprasteria.com> *Sent: *14 November 2019 07:35 *To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
Yes I did try to go to the clock after pressing Windows B and then navigating to the system clock however it only provides feedback for one clock and not the other one.
Thanks
Meesha
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io *Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:06 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
You probably cannot do it with the JAWS F12 keystroke to check time, but if both clocks appear on your System tray in the bottom right of your screen, then you can try using Windows key B to get to the system tray, then arrowing left or right to hear the clocks. I usually find focus is at the far left of the icons in the system tray, so it is fastest to arrow left and focus will quickly circle around to the far right of the icons where the standard system clock is.
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha *Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:01 AM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS
Hi members,
Can I check time for two time zones simultaneously using JAWS?
I have added two clocks however JAWS just provides feedback for one of it so not sure how to access time for the other one.
Thanks,
Meesha
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Re: JAWS and Think Pad
Hello, Yes I am using JAWS at the current time on a Lenovo thinkpad l480.
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On 11/19/19, Marianne Denning <marianne@denningweb.com> wrote: Has anyone ever used JAWS on a Think Pad? If so, what Think Pad?
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Re: JAWS and Think Pad
I’m sorry – I might have given the wrong keystroke. Can anyone else remember what the keystroke is to switch the action of the function keys? From: <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@...> Reply-To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 18:59 To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Subject: Re: JAWS and Think Pad Uh, I did that and lost all sound. Had to do a hard shutdown with my Lenovo. Maria Campbell lucky1inct@... All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
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On 11/19/2019 6:53 PM, Jason White via Groups.Io wrote: I don’t think so. So far as I know, it’s specific to Lenovo. Is that function key plus escape of use with all laptops? Maria Campbell lucky1inct@... All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing. On 11/19/2019 6:38 PM, Jason White via Groups.Io wrote: I use JAWS on a ThinkPad P51. It’s a 15-inch laptop with numeric keypad, and designed for high performance. The successor model is the P53, which I think is currently available. If this is too heavy (and it is not light weight), there’s the ThinkPad P1, which also offers high performance in terms of memory, CPU and storage, but without the numeric keypad. Obviously, there are other models. I haven’t used a P1, but I do have access to a Lenovo ThinkPad P50S at work, which also runs JAWS well. The P50S has the numeric keypad keys too. The important change I made on my laptop was to press FN+Escape to switch the function keys from acting as special controls to serving as actual function keys. Has anyone ever used JAWS on a Think Pad? If so, what Think Pad?
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The keystroke sequence for inserting date and time into all versions Word that I have used is Alt followed by I for insert followed by T for Time. This will open a dialogue from which you can select from a range of date and time formats.
Hope that helps.
David Griffith
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-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek Sent: 19 November 2019 22:36 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: quick keys You need to tell me. I opened Word and attempted these key strokes... noting happened... -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimsan via Groups.Io Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:27 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: quick keys Are you talking alt shift t and alt shift d? On Nov 19, 2019, at 11:20 AM, Rick Mladek <hmladek@neo.rr.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I know there used to be a quick or hot key to put in the time or the date, with most from email to spread sheets or word documents. Are these still available to hit the said hot key to install it within such applications as mentioned? Thanks for all your help,
Rick
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Re: JAWS and Think Pad
Uh, I did that and lost all sound. Had to do a hard shutdown
with my Lenovo.
Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
On 11/19/2019 6:53 PM, Jason White via
Groups.Io wrote:
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I don’t think so. So far as I know, it’s
specific to Lenovo.
Is that function key plus escape of use with all laptops?
Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
On 11/19/2019 6:38 PM, Jason White via
Groups.Io wrote:
I use JAWS on a ThinkPad P51. It’s a
15-inch laptop with numeric keypad, and designed for high
performance. The successor model is the P53, which I think
is currently available.
If this is too heavy (and it is not
light weight), there’s the ThinkPad P1, which also offers
high performance in terms of memory, CPU and storage, but
without the numeric keypad. Obviously, there are other
models. I haven’t used a P1, but I do have access to a
Lenovo ThinkPad P50S at work, which also runs JAWS well.
The P50S has the numeric keypad keys too.
The important change I made on my
laptop was to press FN+Escape to switch the function keys
from acting as special controls to serving as actual
function keys.
Has anyone ever used JAWS on a Think
Pad? If so, what Think Pad?
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Re: JAWS and Think Pad
I don’t think so. So far as I know, it’s specific to Lenovo. From: <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@...> Reply-To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 18:45 To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Subject: Re: JAWS and Think Pad Is that function key plus escape of use with all laptops? Maria Campbell lucky1inct@... All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
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On 11/19/2019 6:38 PM, Jason White via Groups.Io wrote: I use JAWS on a ThinkPad P51. It’s a 15-inch laptop with numeric keypad, and designed for high performance. The successor model is the P53, which I think is currently available. If this is too heavy (and it is not light weight), there’s the ThinkPad P1, which also offers high performance in terms of memory, CPU and storage, but without the numeric keypad. Obviously, there are other models. I haven’t used a P1, but I do have access to a Lenovo ThinkPad P50S at work, which also runs JAWS well. The P50S has the numeric keypad keys too. The important change I made on my laptop was to press FN+Escape to switch the function keys from acting as special controls to serving as actual function keys. Has anyone ever used JAWS on a Think Pad? If so, what Think Pad?
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Re: JAWS and Think Pad
I meant fn plus escape, not function key.
Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
On 11/19/2019 6:38 PM, Jason White via
Groups.Io wrote:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
I use JAWS on a ThinkPad P51. It’s a
15-inch laptop with numeric keypad, and designed for high
performance. The successor model is the P53, which I think is
currently available.
If this is too heavy (and it is not light
weight), there’s the ThinkPad P1, which also offers high
performance in terms of memory, CPU and storage, but without
the numeric keypad. Obviously, there are other models. I
haven’t used a P1, but I do have access to a Lenovo ThinkPad
P50S at work, which also runs JAWS well. The P50S has the
numeric keypad keys too.
The important change I made on my laptop
was to press FN+Escape to switch the function keys from acting
as special controls to serving as actual function keys.
Has anyone ever used JAWS on a Think Pad?
If so, what Think Pad?
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