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moderated Re: JAWS 2020 August Release: Frequent Crashes With Firefox 80

JM Casey
 

If one thing can be said for the complexity of the modern computing environment experience, it’s that no experiences appear to be universal – running Firefox 80 and happy to report not a single crash yet. I do still use Chrome also and like it for some things, but Firefox is still my first choice. Usually either one of them will do the trick. I appreciate Chrome for speed and how nicely it works with, for instance, youtube (not surprising as that’s also a google product).

 

There was a problem with version 78 or so I believe, but Mozilla does seem to be pretty quick to fix issues on their end when they emerge.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: August 31, 2020 5:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2020 August Release: Frequent Crashes With Firefox 80

 

 

 Yes, there is a work around.  It's called Google Chrome.  To be perfectly blunt, I don't understand why anyone still bothers with Firefox.  It is a screwed up mess, constantly crashes, and seems to become less accessible with each successive release.  And most blind-friendly extensions like Webvisum and Navigational Sounds no longer work.  Mozilla betrayed its blind users by promising a new era in accessibility when they hired one of the developers of NVDA four years ago, but this has not materialized.  Whatever happened to this guy?  Is he still with Mozilla?  Or did he get laid off along with 250 other employees?

 

Gerald

 

 

On 8/31/2020 4:48 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Using Win10 version 1909, JAWS 2020 for August and Firefox 80.

Recently someone else on this list reported crashes with Mozilla Firefox. At the time I didn't know what to think about the problem but I am now encountering this and I noticed it after Firefox updated to version 80. After a short period of time of just navigating through a Web page Firefox reports that the tab has crashed and presents me with a button to restore the tab. These crashes are rather frequent. I only have one extension running which is for Cisco Webex and I have disabled this extension to see if this makes a difference. I'm not entirely sure it's just a JAWS issue as I encountered this crash when testing with NVDA although I so far haven't tried Firefox 80 with NVDA long enough to determine if the crashing is happening as frequently. Have others noticed this and is there a workaround for this?


moderated Re: JAWS 2020 August Release: Frequent Crashes With Firefox 80

Lino Morales
 

Gerald why the hell you got to be so damn negative? Marko Z is still fighting along with James Teh formily of NV Access. FF is still very much accessible. Its our chose what browser we use. I like both FF and Edge. Edge is a speed demon as far as loading pages. I know FF has had issues with JFW. If you'd like, but I doubt you will take your issues up with the FF DEVS at Mozilla.

On 8/31/2020 5:59 PM, Gerald Levy via groups.io wrote:


 Yes, there is a work around.  It's called Google Chrome.  To be perfectly blunt, I don't understand why anyone still bothers with Firefox.  It is a screwed up mess, constantly crashes, and seems to become less accessible with each successive release.  And most blind-friendly extensions like Webvisum and Navigational Sounds no longer work.  Mozilla betrayed its blind users by promising a new era in accessibility when they hired one of the developers of NVDA four years ago, but this has not materialized.  Whatever happened to this guy?  Is he still with Mozilla?  Or did he get laid off along with 250 other employees?


Gerald



On 8/31/2020 4:48 PM, David Goldfield wrote:
Using Win10 version 1909, JAWS 2020 for August and Firefox 80.

Recently someone else on this list reported crashes with Mozilla Firefox. At the time I didn't know what to think about the problem but I am now encountering this and I noticed it after Firefox updated to version 80. After a short period of time of just navigating through a Web page Firefox reports that the tab has crashed and presents me with a button to restore the tab. These crashes are rather frequent. I only have one extension running which is for Cisco Webex and I have disabled this extension to see if this makes a difference. I'm not entirely sure it's just a JAWS issue as I encountered this crash when testing with NVDA although I so far haven't tried Firefox 80 with NVDA long enough to determine if the crashing is happening as frequently. Have others noticed this and is there a workaround for this?



moderated Re: JAWS 2020 August Release: Frequent Crashes With Firefox 80

Gerald Levy
 


 Yes, there is a work around.  It's called Google Chrome.  To be perfectly blunt, I don't understand why anyone still bothers with Firefox.  It is a screwed up mess, constantly crashes, and seems to become less accessible with each successive release.  And most blind-friendly extensions like Webvisum and Navigational Sounds no longer work.  Mozilla betrayed its blind users by promising a new era in accessibility when they hired one of the developers of NVDA four years ago, but this has not materialized.  Whatever happened to this guy?  Is he still with Mozilla?  Or did he get laid off along with 250 other employees?


Gerald



On 8/31/2020 4:48 PM, David Goldfield wrote:
Using Win10 version 1909, JAWS 2020 for August and Firefox 80.

Recently someone else on this list reported crashes with Mozilla Firefox. At the time I didn't know what to think about the problem but I am now encountering this and I noticed it after Firefox updated to version 80. After a short period of time of just navigating through a Web page Firefox reports that the tab has crashed and presents me with a button to restore the tab. These crashes are rather frequent. I only have one extension running which is for Cisco Webex and I have disabled this extension to see if this makes a difference. I'm not entirely sure it's just a JAWS issue as I encountered this crash when testing with NVDA although I so far haven't tried Firefox 80 with NVDA long enough to determine if the crashing is happening as frequently. Have others noticed this and is there a workaround for this?



moderated Re: owner and moderator

Mario
 

I thought James (sounds like) hommewoth was the mod? I guess not. thanks Lino.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Lino Morales [mailto:linomorales001@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Monday, August 31, 2020, 4:38 PM
Subject: owner and moderator
Yes I believe so.

On 8/31/2020 4:32 PM, Mario wrote:
Lino, is he both owner and moderator?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Lino Morales [mailto:linomorales001@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Monday, August 31, 2020, 4:14 PM
Subject: owner and moderator
That would be James Molone.

On 8/31/2020 4:08 PM, Mario wrote:
just wondering, who is the moderator and owner of this list?






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moderated Re: JAWS 2020 August Release: Frequent Crashes With Firefox 80

Lino Morales
 

No crashing issues here.    On 8/31/2020 4:48 PM, David Goldfield wrote:
> Using Win10 version 1909, JAWS 2020 for August and Firefox 80. > > Recently someone else on this list reported crashes with Mozilla > Firefox. At the time I didn't know what to think about the problem > but I am now encountering this and I noticed it after Firefox updated > to version 80. After a short period of time of just navigating > through a Web page Firefox reports that the tab has crashed and > presents me with a button to restore the tab. These crashes are > rather frequent. I only have one extension running which is for Cisco > Webex and I have disabled this extension to see if this makes a > difference. I'm not entirely sure it's just a JAWS issue as I > encountered this crash when testing with NVDA although I so far > haven't tried Firefox 80 with NVDA long enough to determine if the > crashing is happening as frequently. Have others noticed this and is > there a workaround for this? > >


moderated JAWS 2020 August Release: Frequent Crashes With Firefox 80

David Goldfield
 

Using Win10 version 1909, JAWS 2020 for August and Firefox 80.

Recently someone else on this list reported crashes with Mozilla Firefox. At the time I didn't know what to think about the problem but I am now encountering this and I noticed it after Firefox updated to version 80. After a short period of time of just navigating through a Web page Firefox reports that the tab has crashed and presents me with a button to restore the tab. These crashes are rather frequent. I only have one extension running which is for Cisco Webex and I have disabled this extension to see if this makes a difference. I'm not entirely sure it's just a JAWS issue as I encountered this crash when testing with NVDA although I so far haven't tried Firefox 80 with NVDA long enough to determine if the crashing is happening as frequently. Have others noticed this and is there a workaround for this?


--
David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

www.davidgoldfield.org


moderated Re: Copying from clipgboard history

 

Paul,

 

Happy copying and pasting. Ditto is one of my most used utilities.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Filpus
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 9:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Copying from clipgboard history

 

David and Alan,
Thanks, guys. I'm on my way! The hot key for copying to the FS Clipboard works slick. Alan, the Ditto Clipboard sounds good as well; I'll plan to install it as I get more into clipboard stuff.
Paul


moderated Re: Deleting browsing data in Google Chrome

 

I've never had this happen with the Google Chrome browser, nor seen it reported elsewhere.   If you've done a complete uninstall and reinstall, and that has not fixed the issue, the only thing I could recommend is using something like Revo Uninstaller, after having done the regular uninstall for Chrome, then trying to install again.

These days, there are so many Chromium-based browsers that if you like Chrome you can transition to virtually any of them without even noticing you have.  New Edge and Brave are both good options, and there are others.

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moderated Re: owner and moderator

Lino Morales
 

Yes I believe so.

On 8/31/2020 4:32 PM, Mario wrote:
Lino, is he both owner and moderator?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Lino Morales [mailto:linomorales001@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Monday, August 31, 2020, 4:14 PM
Subject: owner and moderator
That would be James Molone.

On 8/31/2020 4:08 PM, Mario wrote:
just wondering, who is the moderator and owner of this list?






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moderated Re: owner and moderator

Mario
 

Lino, is he both owner and moderator?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Lino Morales [mailto:linomorales001@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Monday, August 31, 2020, 4:14 PM
Subject: owner and moderator
That would be James Molone.

On 8/31/2020 4:08 PM, Mario wrote:
just wondering, who is the moderator and owner of this list?






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moderated Re: owner and moderator

Lino Morales
 

That would be James Molone.

On 8/31/2020 4:08 PM, Mario wrote:
just wondering, who is the moderator and owner of this list?


moderated owner and moderator

Mario
 

just wondering, who is the moderator and owner of this list?


moderated Re: Investing Sites or Firms that Work Well with JAWS

Adrian Spratt
 

I endorse George’s recommendation of Schwab. Some years ago, they did considerable work on accessibility with me and another JAWS user, and they remain responsive.

Another JAWS user is an advocate of Fidelity. As a broker himself, he has some influence over Fidelity’s practices.

You may know that e-Trade is in the process of being purchased by Morgan Stanley. I’m not sure how much priority accessibility will receive during a pending acquisition.

I’ve had accessibility issues with Vanguard in the past, but I haven’t been on that website for a long time.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 2:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Investing Sites or Firms that Work Well with JAWS

 

Can anyone recommend online investing sites that work well with JAWS?

 

I am considering Fidelity, Vanguard and E-trade, but I am open to other similar sites.  I am looking to invest in mutual funds for my IRA.

 

Thank you for any information.

 

Randy Meyer


moderated Re: Investing Sites or Firms that Work Well with JAWS

Les Kriegler
 

I’ve been a long-time investor with Fidelity. You can use their web site as it is accessible. I really like their app for the iPhone. It’s excellent. I am able to buy and sell mutual funds or, on occasion, individual stocks. Let me know if you have further questions.

Best Regards,

 

Les

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 2:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Investing Sites or Firms that Work Well with JAWS

 

Can anyone recommend online investing sites that work well with JAWS?

 

I am considering Fidelity, Vanguard and E-trade, but I am open to other similar sites.  I am looking to invest in mutual funds for my IRA.

 

Thank you for any information.

 

Randy Meyer


moderated Deleting browsing data in Google Chrome

kevin meyers
 

Hello,

 

I have to delete the browsing data in Google Chrome 3-4 times a week. Is there a reason I need to clear it out that often? Is it possible to set it up to clear it outevery few days?

 

Also I use the Chrome short cut on my desktop. I press enter and I’m taken to the window and a few seconds later I’m taken back to the desktop and I’m on the short cut for Chrome. Then I press alt tab until I get to the Chrome window. When I get there, the cursor is not on the search bar. I have to tab backward or forward to locate it. Is there a reason this happens? I have uninstalled Chrome and reinstalled and the problem doesn’t go away. Is there something I can do to stop this from happening?

 

This did happen in the past. It stopped for a while and then came back.

 

Cheers,

 

Kevin

 


moderated Re: Investing Sites or Firms that Work Well with JAWS

George Gray
 

Charles Schwabb. They have a copy of JAWS in their Customer Service offices.

On 8/31/20, Randy Meyer <randymeyer@...> wrote:
Can anyone recommend online investing sites that work well with JAWS?



I am considering Fidelity, Vanguard and E-trade, but I am open to other
similar sites. I am looking to invest in mutual funds for my IRA.



Thank you for any information.



Randy Meyer




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moderated Investing Sites or Firms that Work Well with JAWS

Randy Meyer
 

Can anyone recommend online investing sites that work well with JAWS?

 

I am considering Fidelity, Vanguard and E-trade, but I am open to other similar sites.  I am looking to invest in mutual funds for my IRA.

 

Thank you for any information.

 

Randy Meyer


moderated Re: How to activate a notification that is in the Action Center

Richard B. McDonald
 

OK, thanks!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 11:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to activate a notification that is in the Action Center

Hi again, Richard and John. Please disregard my last message in which I said to TAB to the single click and press ENTER. This no longer seems to be available in notifications. The only workaround for this I see is to make sure you have notifications set to stay around for 30 seconds or so, and to click the notification with SHIFT plus Winkey plus V, then ENTER on the notification.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 10:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to activate a notification that is in the Action Center

Me too. Just pressing enter on it does nothing but for clearing it. So, I am still wondering how to activate it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 5:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to activate a notification that is in the Action Center

Whenever I do that, it just clears the notification.

On Sat, 29 Aug 2020 12:51:11 -0400,
Chris via groups.io wrote:

[1 <text/plain; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>] When in action centre tab
to the list of notifications, arrow down to the one you want to view
and hit enter on it

Its as simple as that


From: Richard B. McDonald
Sent: 29 August 2020 16:57
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: How to activate a notification that is in the Action Center

Hi!

Every time I start my laptop, I get a pop-up notification that Intel wants to check for updates. That pop-up happens too fast for me to get to it, or I otherwise just cannot get to it to say “yes.” However, I can see the notification listed in the Action Center, but I cannot figure out how to activate it so as to say “yes”; meaning check for and install any needed updates. How can I activate this notification?

I am using the latest versions of Windows 10 and JAWS.

Thanks,
Richard





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moderated Re: dropbox.com webpage

Mike B
 


Since you're running Jaws the keystroke is, Insert + F11.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: dropbox.com webpage

In addition to Mr. Griffith's mentioning of Windows Key+B to throw focus into the notification area (often referred to as the system tray or task tray) section of the taskbar, Microsoft is one of the best companies I know of when it comes to documenting keyboard shortcuts and making finding what you need easy.

Windows Keyboard Shortcuts Page:  https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/12445/windows-keyboard-shortcuts 

Once opened, defaults to Windows 10 but there is a dropdown at the top that lets you change the Windows version should you need to.

Activate the Show All link near the top of the page so that every keyboard shortcut is on display and then search using whatever keyword is appropriate to what you're looking for.

 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Office365: Word

Van Lant, Robin
 

I’m not sure if this will help, but want to offer out a thing to play with.  First, press just the alt key to get focus to the ribbon, then hit the application key or Shift F10 to open the context menu.  I see two menu options, The first is to customize the ribbon. The second says “Collapse the ribbon”.  If “Collapse the Ribbon” is checked, uncheck it.  Sighted people will often use this to free up visual real estate on the screen, but what it does for us is requires that after hitting say, Alt H, to get to the home ribbon, you then have to hit down arrow once to open that lower ribbon before you can tab to the options. 

 

Robin

Office 365 and JAWS 2020.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of HH. Smith Jr.
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 8:31 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Office365: Word

 

Hi,

 

Has anyone encountered the situation where the menu bar opens with JAWS annunciating menu has pop up; but when you hit enter or spacebar nothing happens. It is driving me nuts. I am trying to sort a list of items but it will not let me get to the sort button in the Home menu.

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