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Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

Dan Longmore
 

Latest versions of JAWS and Windows 10 on a fairly new system with 16g RAM.  I am sure there are different variables in my experience that may cause a JAWS meltdown.  Just saying that for my work and personal experience I find VoiceOver to be there almost 99% of the time .

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 12:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

Hi Dan, which version of Jaws and Windows do you use?

For me it is extremely rare that Jaws 2019 under Windows 10 latest update crashes, I would say it’s probably a 90% or more reduction over what I experienced with Jaws 17 and Jaws 18 under Windows 7 before I upgraded to Windows 10.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 9:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

Hi,

 

I can’t say VoiceOver is reliable either, I can 100 percent crash it with simple Word documents.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: 20 February 2019 16:55
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

Hi,

  While JAWS may have the edge on functionality and features the reliability and stability is no where equal to VoiceOver.  Yes, hopefully Narrator will soon be an equal of JAWS.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

I think everybody has to learn from their own experience. The grass always seems greener on the other side of the fence or, in this case, the OS and I’m sure Dave will find out very quickly that the Mac is not this magical machine which is perfect and without issues. I think especially with Windows 10and where they are going the divide between the Mac and the PC is becoming smaller and I think very soon Narrator will be as good as Voiceover when it comes to an integrated screenreader.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 1:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

Hi,

 

I believe you’ll lose a lot of functionality when you hit the Mac.  JAWS is a much more capable screen reader than VoiceOver, but that’s just my opinion.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: 19 February 2019 19:50
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

James,

 

All well understood, but knowing that JAWS 2019 will run on a Win 7 machine, I pointed out to them just now that they should either disable that choice when a Win 7 op system is detected (and I'm sure that's easy for them to do), or at least put some warnings in their description text.

 

By the time they come out with a JAWS version that does not run on Windows 7, I'll be on a MacBook and away from JAWS.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 11:34

Subject: Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

On a related note, you’ve just discovered a hidden warning it may be worth planning for. Specifically, I wouldn’t hold my breath on JAWS continuing to support Win7 after about version 2020 or 2021. That’s too fundamental a change to make backwards compatible, especially if it proves to actually fix the JAWS cursor issue in later OS’s. Plus, you know, there’s that whole thing about Win7 not being supported past 2020 by Microsoft.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: February-19-19 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

Update. Finally got JAWS 2019 working. Had to remove and install fresh, and also had to delete/rename the last two user settings that had changed: settings.ini and default.jcf. In retrospect, I suspect that if I had simply used NVDA to go to my user settings in JAWS 2019 and just deleted those two files, JAWS 2019 would have repaired itself just fine. But man, that was pretty daunting and a time-waste.

 

If you have Windows 7, absolutely *do not* uncheck that Accessibility Driver in the default settings.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave...

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 08:25

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Mike,

 

Nope. You're absolutely correct.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 07:58

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Hi Mike.  If I am not mistaken, I believe the Mirror Display driver is used on Windows 7 computers, and is replaced by the Accessibility driver starting with the Windows 8 operating system.  Anyone using Windows 7 should continue using the Mirror display driver.  That was my understanding of the process, but I could be wrong.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 9:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Here's the explanation of the Accessibility Driver from the default Settings Center:

The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases.
Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver.
This check box is selected by default.

Take Care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave...

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:00 AM

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Sieghard,

 

Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

James,

 

Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52

Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.


Re: annual subscription for Canadian users

Cynthia Bruce
 

Yes, they will, not a problem there.

 

Cynthia Bruce PhD, MTA

Ethics Chair

Canadian Association of Music Therapists

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 1:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annual subscription for Canadian users

 

Yes, then you would need to maintain Jaws Pro unless you didn’t tell them, but as soon as you don’t own your computer you should have Jaws Pro. If the University gives you a laptop then they should also be responsible for giving you what you need to use it, i.e. they should just buy the upgrade and SMA for you.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 8:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annual subscription for Canadian users

 

I do have JAWS pro, and the university owns my laptop – does that make a difference?

 

Cynthia Bruce PhD, MTA

Ethics Chair

Canadian Association of Music Therapists

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 12:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annual subscription for Canadian users

 

If you are on 17 then 1 SMA would give you the upgrades to Jaws 18 and 2018. A second SMA would give you the upgrades to Jaws 2019 and Jaws 2020 which comes out this fall.

Also, keep in mind that in case you have Jaws pro that you don’t need that any more even if you run Windows 10 professional. The difference between Jaws Home and Pro for the most part really is a ownership thing, e.g. do you own your computer or computers or does a business own them where you are an employee.

There used to be a time in the XP days when you needed Jaws Pro if you wanted to run XP Pro, but those days are long past.

I would simply ask when the subscription model is going to be available and if it is going to be a while yet I would ask if Vispero would allow  you to upgrade to Jaws 2019 for the price of an SMA and maybe a small upfront amount, but not whatever it might have cost. I think it should be in their interest to get people upgraded to Jaws 2019 for support reasons and from what Mario said it sounds like it’s just a matter of time until you can subscribe to Jaws for whatever the equivalent Canadian amount is to $90 (most likely something like $119 or $129 a year). The fact is that if you are using Windows 10 you really want to be on Jaws 2019.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 8:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annual subscription for Canadian users

 

Hi Sieghard,

 

I am using 17 – I wanted to get used to it before upgrading. I had been using 14 while I finished my dissertation because I just couldn’t handle doing all of the upgrades in the final months of writing. I think Frontier Computing is the Canadian distribute – I will check with them.

 

Thanks so much,

 

Cynthia

 

Cynthia Bruce PhD, MTA

Ethics Chair

Canadian Association of Music Therapists

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annual subscription for Canadian users

 

Hi Cynthia,

 

I am also in Canada. What version of Jaws are you using now? At this point buying the SMA is still cheaper than the annual subscription as long as you are using a very recent Jaws version like 2018. If of course you are two or 3 versions behind you would have to first get caught up which is more costly. I would just call Vispero at 1-888-444-4440 and ask who you should call in Canada, I can’t remember who is the Canadian distributor or if there is more than one. I have always renewed my SMA once I used up the last upgrade and have been doing so ever since this system was implemented. I started using Jaws for DOS back in 1989 and moved to Jaws for Windows when it was first released and, as I said, always bought the SMA because I rely on Jaws for running my business and need access to whatever the latest improvements are. In my opinion that strategy has always served me well and I certainly am not one of the people who think if somebody bought Jaws maybe 20 or 25 years ago or, as in my case, 30 years ago, that I should get free updates for the rest of my life. No company could stay in business with that sort of approach unless they were completely funded by government, donations or other sources. It’s easy for Apple to develop and offer a free screenreader because the Millions it takes each year to pay the people who are developing it are literally the tiniest drop in their revenue bucket where most of the money comes from the sale of hardware and other services.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 2:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: annual subscription for Canadian users

 

Hello Again,

 

I see on the Freedom Scientific E-store that the annual subscription is only available for US users. If I try to download is it really going to block me because I am in Canada? It seems so much more cost effective to do the subscription at work, and it might actually help me keep up since we are using Office 365 at the university where I teach. Any thoughts?

 

Thanks,

 

Cynthia


Re: ICloud for Windows and JAWS

Barbara <batterseye@...>
 

Well I do not find any such folder in the Users folder.  I looked around a bunch.  I did find one drive and an ICloud photos folders.  You said if properly set up.  How to troubleshoot this?

 

Thanks.

 

Barbara

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 12:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: ICloud for Windows and JAWS

 

If it is properly set up an iCloud Drive folder will be created on your computer, I believe it is in your user folder, and just as with Dropbox and OneDrive files that are saved in it will appear in it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Barbara
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 4:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: ICloud for Windows and JAWS

 

Hello Everyone

 

I have some files on my IPhone which I wish to transfer to my Windows 7 computer.  The files are currently located in the Files folder on my IPhone.  It was suggested I use ICloud for Windows.  I have never used it before.  I had it on my computer from some unknown cause in the past.  Anyhow, I opened the program and it requested my Apple ID and password.  I provided that.  Then nothing clear is happening.  I pressed insert-W and it gave me a list of basic windows hot keys.  I tabbed some and got something which said check box but did not let me know what it was for.  I can tab to various things.  One was storage.  I went into that and could not figure it out as I tabbed around. 

 

Note I am using JAWS 2019.

 

Any tips on how to use this program?  I also have a second computer which is Windows 10, so if the tips are different for each OS, let me know both.

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

Barbara

 


Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

Hi Dan, which version of Jaws and Windows do you use?

For me it is extremely rare that Jaws 2019 under Windows 10 latest update crashes, I would say it’s probably a 90% or more reduction over what I experienced with Jaws 17 and Jaws 18 under Windows 7 before I upgraded to Windows 10.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 9:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

Hi,

 

I can’t say VoiceOver is reliable either, I can 100 percent crash it with simple Word documents.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: 20 February 2019 16:55
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

Hi,

  While JAWS may have the edge on functionality and features the reliability and stability is no where equal to VoiceOver.  Yes, hopefully Narrator will soon be an equal of JAWS.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

I think everybody has to learn from their own experience. The grass always seems greener on the other side of the fence or, in this case, the OS and I’m sure Dave will find out very quickly that the Mac is not this magical machine which is perfect and without issues. I think especially with Windows 10and where they are going the divide between the Mac and the PC is becoming smaller and I think very soon Narrator will be as good as Voiceover when it comes to an integrated screenreader.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 1:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

Hi,

 

I believe you’ll lose a lot of functionality when you hit the Mac.  JAWS is a much more capable screen reader than VoiceOver, but that’s just my opinion.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: 19 February 2019 19:50
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

James,

 

All well understood, but knowing that JAWS 2019 will run on a Win 7 machine, I pointed out to them just now that they should either disable that choice when a Win 7 op system is detected (and I'm sure that's easy for them to do), or at least put some warnings in their description text.

 

By the time they come out with a JAWS version that does not run on Windows 7, I'll be on a MacBook and away from JAWS.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: James Homuth

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 11:34

Subject: Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

On a related note, you’ve just discovered a hidden warning it may be worth planning for. Specifically, I wouldn’t hold my breath on JAWS continuing to support Win7 after about version 2020 or 2021. That’s too fundamental a change to make backwards compatible, especially if it proves to actually fix the JAWS cursor issue in later OS’s. Plus, you know, there’s that whole thing about Win7 not being supported past 2020 by Microsoft.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: February-19-19 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

Update. Finally got JAWS 2019 working. Had to remove and install fresh, and also had to delete/rename the last two user settings that had changed: settings.ini and default.jcf. In retrospect, I suspect that if I had simply used NVDA to go to my user settings in JAWS 2019 and just deleted those two files, JAWS 2019 would have repaired itself just fine. But man, that was pretty daunting and a time-waste.

 

If you have Windows 7, absolutely *do not* uncheck that Accessibility Driver in the default settings.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave...

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 08:25

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Mike,

 

Nope. You're absolutely correct.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Mote

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 07:58

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Hi Mike.  If I am not mistaken, I believe the Mirror Display driver is used on Windows 7 computers, and is replaced by the Accessibility driver starting with the Windows 8 operating system.  Anyone using Windows 7 should continue using the Mirror display driver.  That was my understanding of the process, but I could be wrong.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 9:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Here's the explanation of the Accessibility Driver from the default Settings Center:

The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases.
Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver.
This check box is selected by default.

Take Care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave...

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:00 AM

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Sieghard,

 

Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

James,

 

Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: James Homuth

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52

Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.


Re: annual subscription for Canadian users

 

Yes, then you would need to maintain Jaws Pro unless you didn’t tell them, but as soon as you don’t own your computer you should have Jaws Pro. If the University gives you a laptop then they should also be responsible for giving you what you need to use it, i.e. they should just buy the upgrade and SMA for you.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 8:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annual subscription for Canadian users

 

I do have JAWS pro, and the university owns my laptop – does that make a difference?

 

Cynthia Bruce PhD, MTA

Ethics Chair

Canadian Association of Music Therapists

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 12:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annual subscription for Canadian users

 

If you are on 17 then 1 SMA would give you the upgrades to Jaws 18 and 2018. A second SMA would give you the upgrades to Jaws 2019 and Jaws 2020 which comes out this fall.

Also, keep in mind that in case you have Jaws pro that you don’t need that any more even if you run Windows 10 professional. The difference between Jaws Home and Pro for the most part really is a ownership thing, e.g. do you own your computer or computers or does a business own them where you are an employee.

There used to be a time in the XP days when you needed Jaws Pro if you wanted to run XP Pro, but those days are long past.

I would simply ask when the subscription model is going to be available and if it is going to be a while yet I would ask if Vispero would allow  you to upgrade to Jaws 2019 for the price of an SMA and maybe a small upfront amount, but not whatever it might have cost. I think it should be in their interest to get people upgraded to Jaws 2019 for support reasons and from what Mario said it sounds like it’s just a matter of time until you can subscribe to Jaws for whatever the equivalent Canadian amount is to $90 (most likely something like $119 or $129 a year). The fact is that if you are using Windows 10 you really want to be on Jaws 2019.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 8:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annual subscription for Canadian users

 

Hi Sieghard,

 

I am using 17 – I wanted to get used to it before upgrading. I had been using 14 while I finished my dissertation because I just couldn’t handle doing all of the upgrades in the final months of writing. I think Frontier Computing is the Canadian distribute – I will check with them.

 

Thanks so much,

 

Cynthia

 

Cynthia Bruce PhD, MTA

Ethics Chair

Canadian Association of Music Therapists

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annual subscription for Canadian users

 

Hi Cynthia,

 

I am also in Canada. What version of Jaws are you using now? At this point buying the SMA is still cheaper than the annual subscription as long as you are using a very recent Jaws version like 2018. If of course you are two or 3 versions behind you would have to first get caught up which is more costly. I would just call Vispero at 1-888-444-4440 and ask who you should call in Canada, I can’t remember who is the Canadian distributor or if there is more than one. I have always renewed my SMA once I used up the last upgrade and have been doing so ever since this system was implemented. I started using Jaws for DOS back in 1989 and moved to Jaws for Windows when it was first released and, as I said, always bought the SMA because I rely on Jaws for running my business and need access to whatever the latest improvements are. In my opinion that strategy has always served me well and I certainly am not one of the people who think if somebody bought Jaws maybe 20 or 25 years ago or, as in my case, 30 years ago, that I should get free updates for the rest of my life. No company could stay in business with that sort of approach unless they were completely funded by government, donations or other sources. It’s easy for Apple to develop and offer a free screenreader because the Millions it takes each year to pay the people who are developing it are literally the tiniest drop in their revenue bucket where most of the money comes from the sale of hardware and other services.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 2:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: annual subscription for Canadian users

 

Hello Again,

 

I see on the Freedom Scientific E-store that the annual subscription is only available for US users. If I try to download is it really going to block me because I am in Canada? It seems so much more cost effective to do the subscription at work, and it might actually help me keep up since we are using Office 365 at the university where I teach. Any thoughts?

 

Thanks,

 

Cynthia


Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

I can’t say VoiceOver is reliable either, I can 100 percent crash it with simple Word documents.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: 20 February 2019 16:55
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

Hi,

  While JAWS may have the edge on functionality and features the reliability and stability is no where equal to VoiceOver.  Yes, hopefully Narrator will soon be an equal of JAWS.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

I think everybody has to learn from their own experience. The grass always seems greener on the other side of the fence or, in this case, the OS and I’m sure Dave will find out very quickly that the Mac is not this magical machine which is perfect and without issues. I think especially with Windows 10and where they are going the divide between the Mac and the PC is becoming smaller and I think very soon Narrator will be as good as Voiceover when it comes to an integrated screenreader.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 1:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

Hi,

 

I believe you’ll lose a lot of functionality when you hit the Mac.  JAWS is a much more capable screen reader than VoiceOver, but that’s just my opinion.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: 19 February 2019 19:50
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

James,

 

All well understood, but knowing that JAWS 2019 will run on a Win 7 machine, I pointed out to them just now that they should either disable that choice when a Win 7 op system is detected (and I'm sure that's easy for them to do), or at least put some warnings in their description text.

 

By the time they come out with a JAWS version that does not run on Windows 7, I'll be on a MacBook and away from JAWS.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 11:34

Subject: Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

On a related note, you’ve just discovered a hidden warning it may be worth planning for. Specifically, I wouldn’t hold my breath on JAWS continuing to support Win7 after about version 2020 or 2021. That’s too fundamental a change to make backwards compatible, especially if it proves to actually fix the JAWS cursor issue in later OS’s. Plus, you know, there’s that whole thing about Win7 not being supported past 2020 by Microsoft.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: February-19-19 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

Update. Finally got JAWS 2019 working. Had to remove and install fresh, and also had to delete/rename the last two user settings that had changed: settings.ini and default.jcf. In retrospect, I suspect that if I had simply used NVDA to go to my user settings in JAWS 2019 and just deleted those two files, JAWS 2019 would have repaired itself just fine. But man, that was pretty daunting and a time-waste.

 

If you have Windows 7, absolutely *do not* uncheck that Accessibility Driver in the default settings.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave...

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 08:25

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Mike,

 

Nope. You're absolutely correct.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 07:58

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Hi Mike.  If I am not mistaken, I believe the Mirror Display driver is used on Windows 7 computers, and is replaced by the Accessibility driver starting with the Windows 8 operating system.  Anyone using Windows 7 should continue using the Mirror display driver.  That was my understanding of the process, but I could be wrong.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 9:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Here's the explanation of the Accessibility Driver from the default Settings Center:

The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases.
Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver.
This check box is selected by default.

Take Care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave...

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:00 AM

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Sieghard,

 

Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

James,

 

Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52

Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.


Re: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

 

Well, but now you did reveal it and I’ll post it on all the hacker forums so expect to be highjacked shortly *Smile*

In a way I had better access to some of my applications with Jaws under Windows 7, but I still don’t regret upgrading to Windows 10 since it is such a superior operating system. Windows 10 as well as Jaws running under Windows 10 virtually never crash any more, of course there are always exceptions, but let’s say it’s something like 90% less than with Windows 7.

I don’t want to tell you to do this since everybody has to decide for themselves, but before you spend all that money for a Mac you should probably give Windows 10 a try. Of course it also depends a lot on whether you are up to date on Jaws and SMA’s or if you mind spending $90 a year for a Jaws subscription. Yes, Voiceover is free, but Mac computers still are more expensive and there is a reason why even people like Jonathan Mosen who is proficient with both systems prefers to work with Windows when it comes to productivity stuff like word processing, spreadsheets and so on. If you don’t need them then maybe that is different although I also think Jaws with Chrome is way more efficient on the web than Voiceover with Safari.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 8:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

 

Sieghard,

 

Yes, I do feel so ancient at times...I won't even reveal that my larger audio workstation is still running Windows XP Service Pack 3...

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 08:40

Subject: Re: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

 

Yes, sorry, forgot you are still on Windows 7.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 8:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

 

Sieghard,

 

Is that Windows+A limited to Windows 10?

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 07:51

Subject: Re: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

 

Try to press Windows Key + A and see what notifications you have there and clear them.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 6:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

 

Hi All,

 

A couple of days ago JAWS started giving me a message “new notification”.  I get no other message.  I tried the JAWS scanning option on the window, but JAWS said there is no window.  Any ideas on how I access this message?  I hate to just ignore it, in case it is some sort of security risk.

 

Thanks,

Tim Ford

 


Re: Steps to unzip a zipped file bundle?

CJ &AA MAY
 

I mostly unzip books to my Milestone MP3 player and do this by

Finding the item in Windows Explorer which I wish to unzip;
Press the context key or f10 and arrow down to "extract";
Shift tab back to brows and press enter;
Shift tab until I find where I want the item to be extracted to (usually my
g drive and then I have folders called book1, book2 etc. so then I either
press enter on this or right arrow to open it;
I then tab forward and press the spacebar to confirm where I want the item
unzipped to.
And lastly, tab to extract - and wait!!

This sounds quite convoluted compared to other suggestions - but it works
for me.
Alison

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: 20 February 2019 15:58
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Steps to unzip a zipped file bundle?

Hello David,

That is usually very straight-forward; here is how I do it. I am giving
generic instructions, since this will vary depending upon the version of
Windows.

1. Through Windows/File Explorer, create a new folder, and copy the zipped
file into that folder.
2. Highlight the file, then Use the applications key (right click, shift
F12, dedicated key, all work the same), and choose an option to unzip in the
current location. You may need to tab through and review a few options, but
generally the defaults are good. Press okay or unzip, whatever the button
is labeled.

That should do it.

Good luck,
Tim Ford


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
Pearson
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 7:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Steps to unzip a zipped file bundle?

Hello list:

Have come across a bundle of zipped mp3/recording tutorial files which I
would like to listen to individually, but need the step-by-step procedure to

do this.

Most sincerely,



David S. Pearson


Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

Dan Longmore
 

Hi,

  While JAWS may have the edge on functionality and features the reliability and stability is no where equal to VoiceOver.  Yes, hopefully Narrator will soon be an equal of JAWS.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

I think everybody has to learn from their own experience. The grass always seems greener on the other side of the fence or, in this case, the OS and I’m sure Dave will find out very quickly that the Mac is not this magical machine which is perfect and without issues. I think especially with Windows 10and where they are going the divide between the Mac and the PC is becoming smaller and I think very soon Narrator will be as good as Voiceover when it comes to an integrated screenreader.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 1:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

Hi,

 

I believe you’ll lose a lot of functionality when you hit the Mac.  JAWS is a much more capable screen reader than VoiceOver, but that’s just my opinion.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: 19 February 2019 19:50
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

James,

 

All well understood, but knowing that JAWS 2019 will run on a Win 7 machine, I pointed out to them just now that they should either disable that choice when a Win 7 op system is detected (and I'm sure that's easy for them to do), or at least put some warnings in their description text.

 

By the time they come out with a JAWS version that does not run on Windows 7, I'll be on a MacBook and away from JAWS.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 11:34

Subject: Re: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

On a related note, you’ve just discovered a hidden warning it may be worth planning for. Specifically, I wouldn’t hold my breath on JAWS continuing to support Win7 after about version 2020 or 2021. That’s too fundamental a change to make backwards compatible, especially if it proves to actually fix the JAWS cursor issue in later OS’s. Plus, you know, there’s that whole thing about Win7 not being supported past 2020 by Microsoft.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: February-19-19 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Unchecking that Accessibility Driver in Settings...

 

Update. Finally got JAWS 2019 working. Had to remove and install fresh, and also had to delete/rename the last two user settings that had changed: settings.ini and default.jcf. In retrospect, I suspect that if I had simply used NVDA to go to my user settings in JAWS 2019 and just deleted those two files, JAWS 2019 would have repaired itself just fine. But man, that was pretty daunting and a time-waste.

 

If you have Windows 7, absolutely *do not* uncheck that Accessibility Driver in the default settings.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave...

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 08:25

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Mike,

 

Nope. You're absolutely correct.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 07:58

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Hi Mike.  If I am not mistaken, I believe the Mirror Display driver is used on Windows 7 computers, and is replaced by the Accessibility driver starting with the Windows 8 operating system.  Anyone using Windows 7 should continue using the Mirror display driver.  That was my understanding of the process, but I could be wrong.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 9:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Here's the explanation of the Accessibility Driver from the default Settings Center:

The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases.
Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver.
This check box is selected by default.

Take Care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave...

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:00 AM

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Sieghard,

 

Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19

Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

James,

 

Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52

Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?

 

I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.


Re: annual subscription for Canadian users

Cynthia Bruce
 

I do have JAWS pro, and the university owns my laptop – does that make a difference?

 

Cynthia Bruce PhD, MTA

Ethics Chair

Canadian Association of Music Therapists

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 12:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annual subscription for Canadian users

 

If you are on 17 then 1 SMA would give you the upgrades to Jaws 18 and 2018. A second SMA would give you the upgrades to Jaws 2019 and Jaws 2020 which comes out this fall.

Also, keep in mind that in case you have Jaws pro that you don’t need that any more even if you run Windows 10 professional. The difference between Jaws Home and Pro for the most part really is a ownership thing, e.g. do you own your computer or computers or does a business own them where you are an employee.

There used to be a time in the XP days when you needed Jaws Pro if you wanted to run XP Pro, but those days are long past.

I would simply ask when the subscription model is going to be available and if it is going to be a while yet I would ask if Vispero would allow  you to upgrade to Jaws 2019 for the price of an SMA and maybe a small upfront amount, but not whatever it might have cost. I think it should be in their interest to get people upgraded to Jaws 2019 for support reasons and from what Mario said it sounds like it’s just a matter of time until you can subscribe to Jaws for whatever the equivalent Canadian amount is to $90 (most likely something like $119 or $129 a year). The fact is that if you are using Windows 10 you really want to be on Jaws 2019.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 8:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annual subscription for Canadian users

 

Hi Sieghard,

 

I am using 17 – I wanted to get used to it before upgrading. I had been using 14 while I finished my dissertation because I just couldn’t handle doing all of the upgrades in the final months of writing. I think Frontier Computing is the Canadian distribute – I will check with them.

 

Thanks so much,

 

Cynthia

 

Cynthia Bruce PhD, MTA

Ethics Chair

Canadian Association of Music Therapists

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annual subscription for Canadian users

 

Hi Cynthia,

 

I am also in Canada. What version of Jaws are you using now? At this point buying the SMA is still cheaper than the annual subscription as long as you are using a very recent Jaws version like 2018. If of course you are two or 3 versions behind you would have to first get caught up which is more costly. I would just call Vispero at 1-888-444-4440 and ask who you should call in Canada, I can’t remember who is the Canadian distributor or if there is more than one. I have always renewed my SMA once I used up the last upgrade and have been doing so ever since this system was implemented. I started using Jaws for DOS back in 1989 and moved to Jaws for Windows when it was first released and, as I said, always bought the SMA because I rely on Jaws for running my business and need access to whatever the latest improvements are. In my opinion that strategy has always served me well and I certainly am not one of the people who think if somebody bought Jaws maybe 20 or 25 years ago or, as in my case, 30 years ago, that I should get free updates for the rest of my life. No company could stay in business with that sort of approach unless they were completely funded by government, donations or other sources. It’s easy for Apple to develop and offer a free screenreader because the Millions it takes each year to pay the people who are developing it are literally the tiniest drop in their revenue bucket where most of the money comes from the sale of hardware and other services.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 2:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: annual subscription for Canadian users

 

Hello Again,

 

I see on the Freedom Scientific E-store that the annual subscription is only available for US users. If I try to download is it really going to block me because I am in Canada? It seems so much more cost effective to do the subscription at work, and it might actually help me keep up since we are using Office 365 at the university where I teach. Any thoughts?

 

Thanks,

 

Cynthia


Re: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

Dave...
 


Sieghard,
 
Yes, I do feel so ancient at times...I won't even reveal that my larger audio workstation is still running Windows XP Service Pack 3...
 
Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 08:40
Subject: Re: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

Yes, sorry, forgot you are still on Windows 7.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 8:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

 

Sieghard,

 

Is that Windows+A limited to Windows 10?

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 07:51

Subject: Re: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

 

Try to press Windows Key + A and see what notifications you have there and clear them.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 6:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

 

Hi All,

 

A couple of days ago JAWS started giving me a message “new notification”.  I get no other message.  I tried the JAWS scanning option on the window, but JAWS said there is no window.  Any ideas on how I access this message?  I hate to just ignore it, in case it is some sort of security risk.

 

Thanks,

Tim Ford

 


Re: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

 

Yes, sorry, forgot you are still on Windows 7.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 8:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

 

Sieghard,

 

Is that Windows+A limited to Windows 10?

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 07:51

Subject: Re: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

 

Try to press Windows Key + A and see what notifications you have there and clear them.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 6:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

 

Hi All,

 

A couple of days ago JAWS started giving me a message “new notification”.  I get no other message.  I tried the JAWS scanning option on the window, but JAWS said there is no window.  Any ideas on how I access this message?  I hate to just ignore it, in case it is some sort of security risk.

 

Thanks,

Tim Ford

 


Re: annual subscription for Canadian users

 

If you are on 17 then 1 SMA would give you the upgrades to Jaws 18 and 2018. A second SMA would give you the upgrades to Jaws 2019 and Jaws 2020 which comes out this fall.

Also, keep in mind that in case you have Jaws pro that you don’t need that any more even if you run Windows 10 professional. The difference between Jaws Home and Pro for the most part really is a ownership thing, e.g. do you own your computer or computers or does a business own them where you are an employee.

There used to be a time in the XP days when you needed Jaws Pro if you wanted to run XP Pro, but those days are long past.

I would simply ask when the subscription model is going to be available and if it is going to be a while yet I would ask if Vispero would allow  you to upgrade to Jaws 2019 for the price of an SMA and maybe a small upfront amount, but not whatever it might have cost. I think it should be in their interest to get people upgraded to Jaws 2019 for support reasons and from what Mario said it sounds like it’s just a matter of time until you can subscribe to Jaws for whatever the equivalent Canadian amount is to $90 (most likely something like $119 or $129 a year). The fact is that if you are using Windows 10 you really want to be on Jaws 2019.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 8:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annual subscription for Canadian users

 

Hi Sieghard,

 

I am using 17 – I wanted to get used to it before upgrading. I had been using 14 while I finished my dissertation because I just couldn’t handle doing all of the upgrades in the final months of writing. I think Frontier Computing is the Canadian distribute – I will check with them.

 

Thanks so much,

 

Cynthia

 

Cynthia Bruce PhD, MTA

Ethics Chair

Canadian Association of Music Therapists

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annual subscription for Canadian users

 

Hi Cynthia,

 

I am also in Canada. What version of Jaws are you using now? At this point buying the SMA is still cheaper than the annual subscription as long as you are using a very recent Jaws version like 2018. If of course you are two or 3 versions behind you would have to first get caught up which is more costly. I would just call Vispero at 1-888-444-4440 and ask who you should call in Canada, I can’t remember who is the Canadian distributor or if there is more than one. I have always renewed my SMA once I used up the last upgrade and have been doing so ever since this system was implemented. I started using Jaws for DOS back in 1989 and moved to Jaws for Windows when it was first released and, as I said, always bought the SMA because I rely on Jaws for running my business and need access to whatever the latest improvements are. In my opinion that strategy has always served me well and I certainly am not one of the people who think if somebody bought Jaws maybe 20 or 25 years ago or, as in my case, 30 years ago, that I should get free updates for the rest of my life. No company could stay in business with that sort of approach unless they were completely funded by government, donations or other sources. It’s easy for Apple to develop and offer a free screenreader because the Millions it takes each year to pay the people who are developing it are literally the tiniest drop in their revenue bucket where most of the money comes from the sale of hardware and other services.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 2:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: annual subscription for Canadian users

 

Hello Again,

 

I see on the Freedom Scientific E-store that the annual subscription is only available for US users. If I try to download is it really going to block me because I am in Canada? It seems so much more cost effective to do the subscription at work, and it might actually help me keep up since we are using Office 365 at the university where I teach. Any thoughts?

 

Thanks,

 

Cynthia


Re: annual subscription for Canadian users

Cynthia Bruce
 

Hi Sieghard,

 

I am using 17 – I wanted to get used to it before upgrading. I had been using 14 while I finished my dissertation because I just couldn’t handle doing all of the upgrades in the final months of writing. I think Frontier Computing is the Canadian distribute – I will check with them.

 

Thanks so much,

 

Cynthia

 

Cynthia Bruce PhD, MTA

Ethics Chair

Canadian Association of Music Therapists

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annual subscription for Canadian users

 

Hi Cynthia,

 

I am also in Canada. What version of Jaws are you using now? At this point buying the SMA is still cheaper than the annual subscription as long as you are using a very recent Jaws version like 2018. If of course you are two or 3 versions behind you would have to first get caught up which is more costly. I would just call Vispero at 1-888-444-4440 and ask who you should call in Canada, I can’t remember who is the Canadian distributor or if there is more than one. I have always renewed my SMA once I used up the last upgrade and have been doing so ever since this system was implemented. I started using Jaws for DOS back in 1989 and moved to Jaws for Windows when it was first released and, as I said, always bought the SMA because I rely on Jaws for running my business and need access to whatever the latest improvements are. In my opinion that strategy has always served me well and I certainly am not one of the people who think if somebody bought Jaws maybe 20 or 25 years ago or, as in my case, 30 years ago, that I should get free updates for the rest of my life. No company could stay in business with that sort of approach unless they were completely funded by government, donations or other sources. It’s easy for Apple to develop and offer a free screenreader because the Millions it takes each year to pay the people who are developing it are literally the tiniest drop in their revenue bucket where most of the money comes from the sale of hardware and other services.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 2:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: annual subscription for Canadian users

 

Hello Again,

 

I see on the Freedom Scientific E-store that the annual subscription is only available for US users. If I try to download is it really going to block me because I am in Canada? It seems so much more cost effective to do the subscription at work, and it might actually help me keep up since we are using Office 365 at the university where I teach. Any thoughts?

 

Thanks,

 

Cynthia


Re: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

Dave...
 


Sieghard,
 
Is that Windows+A limited to Windows 10?
 
Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 07:51
Subject: Re: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

Try to press Windows Key + A and see what notifications you have there and clear them.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 6:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

 

Hi All,

 

A couple of days ago JAWS started giving me a message “new notification”.  I get no other message.  I tried the JAWS scanning option on the window, but JAWS said there is no window.  Any ideas on how I access this message?  I hate to just ignore it, in case it is some sort of security risk.

 

Thanks,

Tim Ford

 


Re: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

Tim Ford
 

Great!  That took me to where I needed to be, I could see the notices, and the button to clear them.  The message is now gone!

 

Thanks,

Tim Ford

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 7:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

 

Try to press Windows Key + A and see what notifications you have there and clear them.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 6:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: What is this "new notification" message I cannot access?

 

Hi All,

 

A couple of days ago JAWS started giving me a message “new notification”.  I get no other message.  I tried the JAWS scanning option on the window, but JAWS said there is no window.  Any ideas on how I access this message?  I hate to just ignore it, in case it is some sort of security risk.

 

Thanks,

Tim Ford

 


Re: Steps to unzip a zipped file bundle?

 

I will add one caution, based on something that has just occurred with a user who's using 7-Zip and the ZIP file I created for the Sounds in Safe Mode:

If you want your files unzipped to a dedicated folder, named as Sieghard noted to match the ZIP file name, do not use the Extract Here option in the 7-Zip context menu.  This extracts the files to the current folder without creating a subfolder with the same name as the ZIP file to contain them.  This can get very, very messy if you do this with a ZIP containing many files and folders and weren't anticipating said result.  If it's a couple of files, no big deal, if it's hundreds . . .
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Steps to unzip a zipped file bundle?

 

The function key is Shift + F10 not F12 and you really don't have to create a folder first, if you use Extract All a folder is created which has the same name as the zip file.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 7:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Steps to unzip a zipped file bundle?

Hello David,

That is usually very straight-forward; here is how I do it. I am giving generic instructions, since this will vary depending upon the version of Windows.

1. Through Windows/File Explorer, create a new folder, and copy the zipped file into that folder.
2. Highlight the file, then Use the applications key (right click, shift F12, dedicated key, all work the same), and choose an option to unzip in the current location. You may need to tab through and review a few options, but generally the defaults are good. Press okay or unzip, whatever the button is labeled.

That should do it.

Good luck,
Tim Ford


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Pearson
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 7:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Steps to unzip a zipped file bundle?

Hello list:

Have come across a bundle of zipped mp3/recording tutorial files which I would like to listen to individually, but need the step-by-step procedure to

do this.

Most sincerely,



David S. Pearson


Re: annual subscription for Canadian users

 

Hi Cynthia,

 

I am also in Canada. What version of Jaws are you using now? At this point buying the SMA is still cheaper than the annual subscription as long as you are using a very recent Jaws version like 2018. If of course you are two or 3 versions behind you would have to first get caught up which is more costly. I would just call Vispero at 1-888-444-4440 and ask who you should call in Canada, I can’t remember who is the Canadian distributor or if there is more than one. I have always renewed my SMA once I used up the last upgrade and have been doing so ever since this system was implemented. I started using Jaws for DOS back in 1989 and moved to Jaws for Windows when it was first released and, as I said, always bought the SMA because I rely on Jaws for running my business and need access to whatever the latest improvements are. In my opinion that strategy has always served me well and I certainly am not one of the people who think if somebody bought Jaws maybe 20 or 25 years ago or, as in my case, 30 years ago, that I should get free updates for the rest of my life. No company could stay in business with that sort of approach unless they were completely funded by government, donations or other sources. It’s easy for Apple to develop and offer a free screenreader because the Millions it takes each year to pay the people who are developing it are literally the tiniest drop in their revenue bucket where most of the money comes from the sale of hardware and other services.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 2:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: annual subscription for Canadian users

 

Hello Again,

 

I see on the Freedom Scientific E-store that the annual subscription is only available for US users. If I try to download is it really going to block me because I am in Canada? It seems so much more cost effective to do the subscription at work, and it might actually help me keep up since we are using Office 365 at the university where I teach. Any thoughts?

 

Thanks,

 

Cynthia


Re: Steps to unzip a zipped file bundle?

Tim Ford
 

Hello David,

That is usually very straight-forward; here is how I do it. I am giving
generic instructions, since this will vary depending upon the version of
Windows.

1. Through Windows/File Explorer, create a new folder, and copy the zipped
file into that folder.
2. Highlight the file, then Use the applications key (right click, shift
F12, dedicated key, all work the same), and choose an option to unzip in the
current location. You may need to tab through and review a few options, but
generally the defaults are good. Press okay or unzip, whatever the button
is labeled.

That should do it.

Good luck,
Tim Ford

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
Pearson
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 7:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Steps to unzip a zipped file bundle?

Hello list:

Have come across a bundle of zipped mp3/recording tutorial files which I
would like to listen to individually, but need the step-by-step procedure to

do this.

Most sincerely,



David S. Pearson