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Dave Durber
Hello:
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Even though JAWS is running in Demo Mode , you have access to all its functions and features during the 40 minute demo. HTH
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From: "Justin Mcdevitt" <jhmcdev@outlook.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 4:39 AM Subject: RestoringtJaws access
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Re: New computer specs
That was going to be my comment as well, if all you do is run Windows 10 and maybe Office and you mostly store documents and not thousands and thousands of pictures or, even worse, videos there is probably no need for anything larger. Having said this when it comes to price and what you get for it a 500Gb or, as some manufacturers specify, a 512Gb SSD seems to be in the sweet spot right now.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 9:41 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective. I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD. Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case. Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all? I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail, open some web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and listen to some MP3 audio. All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@gmail.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM Subject: Re: New computer specs A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much. I think he was
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Re: New computer specs
David Ingram
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From: Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@gmail.com>Don't forget about a usb keyboard just in case your laptop doesn't have a full keyboard layout semular to a desktop system would but also check to see if the ram could be upgraded to 64gb ram of course. Remember you still have to allow jaws to have a significant amount of ram to run in the background while other processes are going on.
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Re: New computer specs
Tyler Wood
Hello, If I may make one further suggestion.
If you’d like a Dell Machine and for it to last 6 years, I highly recommend the Latitude business models. They have a minimum of preinstalled software, the warranty options are much more customizable and you can extend them, and the specifications are almost 100% flexible without the graphics card which, according to what you say you are doing with the machine, is definitely not needed. An i7 processor is more than sufficient, however a few more questions. If all you are doing is office and web browsing, you would get by with an i5 processor, thus saving you even more money. Of course, keeping the system for 6 years, your needs may change during that time and this is an investment, so there is nothing wrong with that i7. How much storage do you generally use on a computer? As long as it is a solid state drive, you’ll be fine, regardless of the size. Again, with changing conditions in the computer world, 6 years from now, a smaller amount of storage could be a detriment. I’m not going to say I’m an expert on this, but I’ve certainly had my fair share of experiences. The latitude series is also less likely to have Dell’s famous audio issues wherein when a key is pressed, the first word of speech is nearly cut off because of audio enhancements. Are you wanting to go with Dell, or are you open to other companies, such as Lenovo? The Lenovo think book series is quite nice, reasonably priced, and well built, with good warranty options. There are also the thinkpad series which have incredible keyboards (this is my first thinkpad and I really do understand why these keyboards are raved about). Seeing as how you perform extensive office tasks, a good keyboard is something to keep in mind, too, and I believe the think book series is very close to the thinkpad series in that regard, too.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrew Diederick
Sent: August 25, 2019 12:15 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs
Hello all:
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Andrew Diederick
Hello all: Tyler, thank you for the insight. I mainly use Microsoft office suite, and browse the web with this unit. I’m looking on dell.com. I’m looking at a I seven 512 solid-state drive with 16 gig of RAM. And a plain graphics card. That retails for $1200. I’m not looking to spend more than that, and it states it’s a gaming computer. If the unit specs will last me around six years plus I would be very happy with that.
On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:59 PM, Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> wrote:
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Richard Turner
The only reason to have the faster processors is if you are editing large audio or video files and multitasking with some processor heavy software, which most people do not do.
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And, if I remember correctly; which may be a big if, those graphic cards he mentioned have been problematic with Jaws.
Unless he has some software that is requiring it, which would be surprising.
I will never go back to a standard HD drive after using my SSD drive now for a year.
Richard
Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.
On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:52 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:
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Tyler Wood
Hi,
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This is completely, 100% true. Although using a solid state drive in 2019 is almost a must - at least for those that have experienced one. But so far as other sspecs are concerned there are too many people out there that equate an i7 or i9 to being better and that simply isn't true for just about 99% of use case scenarios. Now that I look back at the specs, what are you needing a dedicated Nvidia Graphics card for in particular? Intel hd graphics does just fine so far as Jaws is concerned.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny Sent: August 24, 2019 11:41 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective. I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD. Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case. Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all? I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail, open some web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and listen to some MP3 audio. All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@gmail.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM Subject: Re: New computer specs A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much. I think he wasup. Thus, I agree with Feliciano.
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Glenn / Lenny
The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective.
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I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD. Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case. Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all? I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail, open some web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and listen to some MP3 audio. All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine. Glenn
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From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@gmail.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM Subject: Re: New computer specs A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much. I think he was
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Tyler Wood
16 GB of ram is the new 8 gb these days. Processors don't mean quite as much
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for screen reader users especially when buying a flagship 2019 machine with an i3, i5, or i7 processor, let alone the i9. If the machine does not have user replaceable ram, get as much as you can - same with the solid state drive if you plan on storing things, (just remember to back that up!) Just as an example, Chrome eats up a ton of memory for no reason, and things will likely only get worse as time goes on. Notebookcheck.net is a fantastic resource if you want to look at notebook reviews as they go into great detail on the hardware, the feel, the heat dissipation, and battery life, and they tend to be very realistic on what is and is not a good quality machine. They tend to take a while to get reviews out simply because they do many stress tests on the machines to make sure initial tests aren't wrong. Hope that helps!
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs Sent: August 24, 2019 11:35 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much. I think he was dipping into some sort of sauce. I received what I was told was a refurbished Win 10 computer with 250 Gs hard drive. It turned out to be a windows 7 originally and you could make dinner by the time it booted up. Thus, I agree with Feliciano. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G Sent: August 24, 2019 9:24 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs I suggest you upgrade to a 512 GB solid-state drive. Feliciano For tech tips and updates: LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do. -Steve Jobs On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Andrew Diederickwrote: specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use? Appreciate any advise.
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David & his pack of dogs
A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much. I think he was
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dipping into some sort of sauce. I received what I was told was a refurbished Win 10 computer with 250 Gs hard drive. It turned out to be a windows 7 originally and you could make dinner by the time it booted up. Thus, I agree with Feliciano.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G Sent: August 24, 2019 9:24 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: New computer specs I suggest you upgrade to a 512 GB solid-state drive. Feliciano For tech tips and updates: LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do. -Steve Jobs On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@gmail.com>wrote: specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use? Appreciate any advise.
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Tyler Wood
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If I may make one huge suggestion. If it is at all possible to bring that down to a core i7 or i5, you can save yourself quite a chunk of money and upgrade the ssd with hardly any loss in overall performance. Don't believe the marketing hype from Intel and other manufacturers - the i9 is far too expensive to make it worth it. The i9 processor is often times slower at single core performance (which is what is done 99% of the time) than a comparably equipped i7 or i5 since it produces tons more heat at those higher clock speed and most machines can't handle that thermal envelope. The i7 will last you 6 years - that in and of itself is a 6 core, 12 thread monster of a processor that puts most older desktops to shame, let alone laptops. Remember that most things, including jaws, use, for the most part, one core (or thread, in this case). The i9 may have 8 cores and 16 threads, but according to several sources even when it is maxed out, the i7 is overall quicker simply because of either processor temperature reaching maximum (100 C) or thermal designed power limit, 45 wats. I just purchased a Lenovo thinkpad x1 extreme. It is beautifully, blisteringly, wonderfully fast and is equipped with the i7-8750h. I could have easily gotten the i5 and been happy. If you're looking for long term, though, the i7 is a very nice compromise and will last you for years. The i9 is about 5-10% faster overall and simply is not worth the price. Jaws will scream no matter which you choose and be ridiculously fast. Sorry for the long message. I just wanted to make you aware. This may not even effect you personally if you don't do much with the machine - but it's certainly worth taking note of, especially with a high cost investment. I'd like to see you get your moneys worth.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrew Diederick Sent: August 24, 2019 11:22 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: New computer specs Hello all. Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs: I9 processor 16 GB ram 256 GB SSD NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use? Appreciate any advise. Thank you- Andrew
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Moty Azrad
Andrew,
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It is a very strong laptop. By the way, what is the price of this one? I do know that most users are using only I7 processor. You write here about I9 processor. I didn't see it yet. Moti Moti Azrad Musician and Piano-Tuner motiaz@gmail.com azrad_moty@hotmail.com Israel
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrew Diederick Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 07:22 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: New computer specs Hello all. Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs: I9 processor 16 GB ram 256 GB SSD NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use? Appreciate any advise. Thank you- Andrew
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Feliciano G
I suggest you upgrade to a 512 GB solid-state drive.
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Feliciano For tech tips and updates: LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do. -Steve Jobs
On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@gmail.com> wrote:
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Andrew Diederick
Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs: I9 processor 16 GB ram 256 GB SSD NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use? Appreciate any advise. Thank you- Andrew
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RestoringtJaws access
Justin Mcdevitt
Sent from my iPhone hello Group,
Recently I had some issues with my PC which required a complete reinstallation of windows and the maintenance of other issues. After bringing it home today I attempted to open Jaws which ended up being limited to a 40 minute trial mode. As I do not have my authorization number written down, I probably will not have access to Jaws until I make contact with freedom scientific this Monday. In the meantime is there a way that I can access Jaws and itp’s Full capacity. I would appreciate any and all assistance. Best, Justin
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Reading notes in PowerPoint
Ann Byrne
The PowerPoint presentation I am looking at says "has notes". When I press shift-ctrl-n to read the notes, JAWS just says "press f6 or shift-f6". No notes read. How do I get JAWS to read the stinkin' notes?
thanks, Ann
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David & his pack of dogs
Here is an email being circulated widely. Hello Lists,
Michael Capelle recently started the jfw-users@groups.io list in response to the closure of the jaws-users-list@groups.io list. I am the moderator of this new list and am seeking new members in order to make it the best resource possible for JAWS information. I will do my best to keep topics on point while encouraging communication. But we need as many JAWS savvy users as possible in order to have the best knowledgebase. Hope to see you on the list. Alan Lemly
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Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
This is a non-standard control, but it doesn't look unusable. With Chrome, I tab to the edit box, and type in the first two letters of Rhode island. Then I tab and there it is in the box. You might have to arrow up to fill it in, I'm not sure, but henceforth, when I tabbed through the form, Rhode Island came up when I hit the State field. So try that and see if you can submit the form. The zip code is the same kind of field. I don't know if the form allows you to select them from a map, or what the deal is.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jed Barton Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 6:48 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: having trouble with a web page so when i am going through this form, after the zipcode, there is an edit box, after that, it says black down pointing small triangle. What the hell is that supposed to mean. so i depress the enter key. Then as i am arrowing through the states, they just look like words. So i get to rhode island and depress the enter key. Then it says starting microsoft edge. Why would it launch edge, i'm not even running edge, i'm running firefox. What am i missing here guys. I have to get this form filled out this weekend. Cheers, Jed On 8/24/19, Jed Barton <jed@jedbarton.com> wrote: so i have no idea how to interact with this. I can't believe someone
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Jed Barton
Well, that was the ticket. That's certainly interesting. It does
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make it confusing for sure. Thanks a ton guys, sorry to drive you crazy.
On 8/24/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
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No snark whatsoever is intended with what follows. Try a different web browser (pick any Chromium based one), screen reader, or both. What I get when I hit the state box is a bit odd, but if you begin typing out the whole state name the correct one appears as soon as you've given enough characters to make it distinct. For example, typing V shows Virginia, Vermont, and Virgin Islands. Add the letter I and Vermont disappears, add the "rgini" and you only have Virginia as the choice. When I hit Enter it fills in Virginia and says something like "Virginia link" or similar. This thing is not a conventional combo box. It is a new thing that I have never encountered before, and I actually like it far better than a conventional combo box. I cannot figure out why the list of options is not being read as one arrows down through them, but either this new object is not exposing the text to the screen reader or screen readers have not yet been updated to deal with this new web object. I was using NVDA and Brave (which is Chromium-based) for my quick test. If you need to fill in Rhode Island then all you need to do is type the letter R and hit Enter. The screen reader should tell you that Rhode Island now appears in the state box. Over time I have certainly learned that different browsers and different screen readers may "play better" with specific web pages. When push comes to shove I change one variable at a time, typically changing the browser first, and the screen reader second. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362 Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner. ~ Eric Hoffer
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