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Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Randy Barnett
 

This is turning into a personal attack... Not cool...

On 4/23/2019 3:53 PM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

I agree with Annabelle Susan Morison.  Why use an electric stove, when cooking over an open fire works.  Why ride in a vehicle when you can ride on a horse.  Why ride a horse when you can walk. Why walk with shoes when walking bare foot is cheaper.   You get my meaning of course. Some love living in the past which in some ways is not that bad.  Where it becomes bad is when they refuse to move forward in their thinking and complain about everything new. To quote Annabelle Susan Morison, I  am not changing my colours for anyone. One should not complain about the health of a horse when they know it is very old. They should also not complain and expect the old horse to still function like a younger horse. Brian, I think you need to help Annabelle Susan Morison and do like some dog trainers do.  Take the clients money then tell them their dog is beyond hope and they should just put him or her down.    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: April 23, 2019 3:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Not even for yourself?  I too was a big fan of XP and am currently a Windows 7 user, but I know that all good things must come to an end and so I will have to move on to Windows 10.  They say that it is better and more stable, but there is a learning curv and the older I get, I just don’t have time for that.  I wish that if something was not broken, that no one would fix it.  By the way, When did this topic get hijacked?

 

Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

 

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 11:48 AM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

I'm not willing to change my colors for anyone.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I agree with Brian, Windows 7 is a thing of the past and you really should make the jump to Windows 10 whenever it is that you get a new computer. Besides the fact that Windows 7 will have no more support in less than a year, Windows 10 at least by now is so superior to Windows 7 in almost any way, crashes which I had on a very regular bases with Windows 7 are probably reduced by 95% in Windows 10, it’s Stabil and fast and as Brian also said, all screenreader support and development is for Windows 10. You may like things others don’t have, but really, a floppy drive, I mean why on earth would you want a floppy drive? If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?

Also, you would be much better off with a 500 Gb or so SSD as your main system drive, then add a good quality hard drive with a larger capacity if you need lots of storage, the system performance will be double or better overall and if you want a fast system you really do need an SSD or your hard drive becomes the proverbial bottle neck in your nice new machine.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell



Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Randy Barnett
 

Win 7 is exactly the same in this regard...

On 4/23/2019 3:23 PM, Shan Noyes wrote:
Yes when does 10 is more stable than seven And I find easier to use thanks to the windows key


On Apr 23, 2019, at 4:05 PM, Marty Hutchings <mhutchings@...> wrote:

Which when it opens up a search box  so you can use the search box to find anything like settings on your computer  so you don’t have to worry about is it in control panel system settings etc.  But if you do you want to go to specific places  then it went to ski hill down with another key will do different things for you  search for short cut keys and windows 10 to learn more    Have a good day everyone  shan Not even for yourself?  I too was a big fan of XP and am currently a Windows 7 user, but I know that all good things must come to an end and so I will have to move on to Windows 10.  They say that it is better and more stable, but there is a learning curv and the older I get, I just don’t have time for that.  I wish that if something was not broken, that no one would fix it.  By the way, When did this topic get hijacked?
 
Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys
 
I'm not willing to change my colors for anyone.
 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I agree with Brian, Windows 7 is a thing of the past and you really should make the jump to Windows 10 whenever it is that you get a new computer. Besides the fact that Windows 7 will have no more support in less than a year, Windows 10 at least by now is so superior to Windows 7 in almost any way, crashes which I had on a very regular bases with Windows 7 are probably reduced by 95% in Windows 10, it’s Stabil and fast and as Brian also said, all screenreader support and development is for Windows 10. You may like things others don’t have, but really, a floppy drive, I mean why on earth would you want a floppy drive? If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?

Also, you would be much better off with a 500 Gb or so SSD as your main system drive, then add a good quality hard drive with a larger capacity if you need lots of storage, the system performance will be double or better overall and if you want a fast system you really do need an SSD or your hard drive becomes the proverbial bottle neck in your nice new machine.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell



Re: upgrading to a newer computer?

Randy Barnett
 

I have to disagree with the windows 10 is more stable. Due to the nature of windows as a service with major changes every six months you never know what will break accessibility. I see lots of questions on the net concerning how win 10 is not working as expected just as I have with Win 7.
I dont have any issues with my win 7 machine at my shop. It just does what i need as I dont play around with it or keep installing all kinds of software. I have a set of programs and that is it and they arent buggy so I dont have issues.

On 4/23/2019 3:13 PM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

There is a learning curb with anything new.  My sister could not understand the lingo when she upgraded from windows  XP to windows 7  and gave me her computer.  Then listening to trouble making people asked for it back because they felt she got taken. She too, I don’t think wanted to learn. She could have had help in learning but refused.     

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: April 23, 2019 3:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Not even for yourself?  I too was a big fan of XP and am currently a Windows 7 user, but I know that all good things must come to an end and so I will have to move on to Windows 10.  They say that it is better and more stable, but there is a learning curv and the older I get, I just don’t have time for that.  I wish that if something was not broken, that no one would fix it.  By the way, When did this topic get hijacked?

 

Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

 

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 11:48 AM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

I'm not willing to change my colors for anyone.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I agree with Brian, Windows 7 is a thing of the past and you really should make the jump to Windows 10 whenever it is that you get a new computer. Besides the fact that Windows 7 will have no more support in less than a year, Windows 10 at least by now is so superior to Windows 7 in almost any way, crashes which I had on a very regular bases with Windows 7 are probably reduced by 95% in Windows 10, it’s Stabil and fast and as Brian also said, all screenreader support and development is for Windows 10. You may like things others don’t have, but really, a floppy drive, I mean why on earth would you want a floppy drive? If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?

Also, you would be much better off with a 500 Gb or so SSD as your main system drive, then add a good quality hard drive with a larger capacity if you need lots of storage, the system performance will be double or better overall and if you want a fast system you really do need an SSD or your hard drive becomes the proverbial bottle neck in your nice new machine.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell



Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

David & his pack of dogs
 

I agree with Annabelle Susan Morison.  Why use an electric stove, when cooking over an open fire works.  Why ride in a vehicle when you can ride on a horse.  Why ride a horse when you can walk. Why walk with shoes when walking bare foot is cheaper.   You get my meaning of course. Some love living in the past which in some ways is not that bad.  Where it becomes bad is when they refuse to move forward in their thinking and complain about everything new. To quote Annabelle Susan Morison, I  am not changing my colours for anyone. One should not complain about the health of a horse when they know it is very old. They should also not complain and expect the old horse to still function like a younger horse. Brian, I think you need to help Annabelle Susan Morison and do like some dog trainers do.  Take the clients money then tell them their dog is beyond hope and they should just put him or her down.    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: April 23, 2019 3:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Not even for yourself?  I too was a big fan of XP and am currently a Windows 7 user, but I know that all good things must come to an end and so I will have to move on to Windows 10.  They say that it is better and more stable, but there is a learning curv and the older I get, I just don’t have time for that.  I wish that if something was not broken, that no one would fix it.  By the way, When did this topic get hijacked?

 

Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

 

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 11:48 AM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

I'm not willing to change my colors for anyone.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I agree with Brian, Windows 7 is a thing of the past and you really should make the jump to Windows 10 whenever it is that you get a new computer. Besides the fact that Windows 7 will have no more support in less than a year, Windows 10 at least by now is so superior to Windows 7 in almost any way, crashes which I had on a very regular bases with Windows 7 are probably reduced by 95% in Windows 10, it’s Stabil and fast and as Brian also said, all screenreader support and development is for Windows 10. You may like things others don’t have, but really, a floppy drive, I mean why on earth would you want a floppy drive? If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?

Also, you would be much better off with a 500 Gb or so SSD as your main system drive, then add a good quality hard drive with a larger capacity if you need lots of storage, the system performance will be double or better overall and if you want a fast system you really do need an SSD or your hard drive becomes the proverbial bottle neck in your nice new machine.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Shan Noyes
 

Sorry folks I’m using voice over to dictate my responses and I see my message got split up so read everything and it is intermixed with the previous persons answers the windows key give a search box
Have a good day shan 

On Apr 23, 2019, at 4:23 PM, Shan Noyes <noyes01@...> wrote:

Yes when does 10 is more stable than seven And I find easier to use thanks to the windows key


On Apr 23, 2019, at 4:05 PM, Marty Hutchings <mhutchings@...> wrote:

Which when it opens up a search box  so you can use the search box to find anything like settings on your computer  so you don’t have to worry about is it in control panel system settings etc.  But if you do you want to go to specific places  then it went to ski hill down with another key will do different things for you  search for short cut keys and windows 10 to learn more    Have a good day everyone  shan Not even for yourself?  I too was a big fan of XP and am currently a Windows 7 user, but I know that all good things must come to an end and so I will have to move on to Windows 10.  They say that it is better and more stable, but there is a learning curv and the older I get, I just don’t have time for that.  I wish that if something was not broken, that no one would fix it.  By the way, When did this topic get hijacked?
 
Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys
 
I'm not willing to change my colors for anyone.
 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I agree with Brian, Windows 7 is a thing of the past and you really should make the jump to Windows 10 whenever it is that you get a new computer. Besides the fact that Windows 7 will have no more support in less than a year, Windows 10 at least by now is so superior to Windows 7 in almost any way, crashes which I had on a very regular bases with Windows 7 are probably reduced by 95% in Windows 10, it’s Stabil and fast and as Brian also said, all screenreader support and development is for Windows 10. You may like things others don’t have, but really, a floppy drive, I mean why on earth would you want a floppy drive? If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?

Also, you would be much better off with a 500 Gb or so SSD as your main system drive, then add a good quality hard drive with a larger capacity if you need lots of storage, the system performance will be double or better overall and if you want a fast system you really do need an SSD or your hard drive becomes the proverbial bottle neck in your nice new machine.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Shan Noyes
 

Yes when does 10 is more stable than seven And I find easier to use thanks to the windows key


On Apr 23, 2019, at 4:05 PM, Marty Hutchings <mhutchings@...> wrote:

Which when it opens up a search box  so you can use the search box to find anything like settings on your computer  so you don’t have to worry about is it in control panel system settings etc.  But if you do you want to go to specific places  then it went to ski hill down with another key will do different things for you  search for short cut keys and windows 10 to learn more    Have a good day everyone  shan Not even for yourself?  I too was a big fan of XP and am currently a Windows 7 user, but I know that all good things must come to an end and so I will have to move on to Windows 10.  They say that it is better and more stable, but there is a learning curv and the older I get, I just don’t have time for that.  I wish that if something was not broken, that no one would fix it.  By the way, When did this topic get hijacked?
 
Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys
 
I'm not willing to change my colors for anyone.
 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I agree with Brian, Windows 7 is a thing of the past and you really should make the jump to Windows 10 whenever it is that you get a new computer. Besides the fact that Windows 7 will have no more support in less than a year, Windows 10 at least by now is so superior to Windows 7 in almost any way, crashes which I had on a very regular bases with Windows 7 are probably reduced by 95% in Windows 10, it’s Stabil and fast and as Brian also said, all screenreader support and development is for Windows 10. You may like things others don’t have, but really, a floppy drive, I mean why on earth would you want a floppy drive? If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?

Also, you would be much better off with a 500 Gb or so SSD as your main system drive, then add a good quality hard drive with a larger capacity if you need lots of storage, the system performance will be double or better overall and if you want a fast system you really do need an SSD or your hard drive becomes the proverbial bottle neck in your nice new machine.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: upgrading to a newer computer?

David & his pack of dogs
 

There is a learning curb with anything new.  My sister could not understand the lingo when she upgraded from windows  XP to windows 7  and gave me her computer.  Then listening to trouble making people asked for it back because they felt she got taken. She too, I don’t think wanted to learn. She could have had help in learning but refused.     

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: April 23, 2019 3:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Not even for yourself?  I too was a big fan of XP and am currently a Windows 7 user, but I know that all good things must come to an end and so I will have to move on to Windows 10.  They say that it is better and more stable, but there is a learning curv and the older I get, I just don’t have time for that.  I wish that if something was not broken, that no one would fix it.  By the way, When did this topic get hijacked?

 

Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

 

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 11:48 AM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

I'm not willing to change my colors for anyone.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I agree with Brian, Windows 7 is a thing of the past and you really should make the jump to Windows 10 whenever it is that you get a new computer. Besides the fact that Windows 7 will have no more support in less than a year, Windows 10 at least by now is so superior to Windows 7 in almost any way, crashes which I had on a very regular bases with Windows 7 are probably reduced by 95% in Windows 10, it’s Stabil and fast and as Brian also said, all screenreader support and development is for Windows 10. You may like things others don’t have, but really, a floppy drive, I mean why on earth would you want a floppy drive? If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?

Also, you would be much better off with a 500 Gb or so SSD as your main system drive, then add a good quality hard drive with a larger capacity if you need lots of storage, the system performance will be double or better overall and if you want a fast system you really do need an SSD or your hard drive becomes the proverbial bottle neck in your nice new machine.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Marty Hutchings
 

Not even for yourself?  I too was a big fan of XP and am currently a Windows 7 user, but I know that all good things must come to an end and so I will have to move on to Windows 10.  They say that it is better and more stable, but there is a learning curv and the older I get, I just don’t have time for that.  I wish that if something was not broken, that no one would fix it.  By the way, When did this topic get hijacked?
 
Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
 

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys
 
I'm not willing to change my colors for anyone.
 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I agree with Brian, Windows 7 is a thing of the past and you really should make the jump to Windows 10 whenever it is that you get a new computer. Besides the fact that Windows 7 will have no more support in less than a year, Windows 10 at least by now is so superior to Windows 7 in almost any way, crashes which I had on a very regular bases with Windows 7 are probably reduced by 95% in Windows 10, it’s Stabil and fast and as Brian also said, all screenreader support and development is for Windows 10. You may like things others don’t have, but really, a floppy drive, I mean why on earth would you want a floppy drive? If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?

Also, you would be much better off with a 500 Gb or so SSD as your main system drive, then add a good quality hard drive with a larger capacity if you need lots of storage, the system performance will be double or better overall and if you want a fast system you really do need an SSD or your hard drive becomes the proverbial bottle neck in your nice new machine.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

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The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Tyler Wood
 

Security is only overhyped. Until it happens to you. Similarly, nobody is going to force anyone else to do what they think is right. But most importantly, you *do not* need a $1000 computer to run Windows 10.

 

Story time. I used windows XP through its release. I continued using it well after Windows 7 came out and, by the time I had to get a new computer, I was so beyond lost and had hardly anyone to turn to. To them, all of this new, foreign Windows landscape was just a walk in the park. They’d been doing it for years. It got to the point where they just threw a list of resources at me and I was forced to read through them.

 

It is no longer 2014 – and while it may have only been 5 years since the end of support for Windows xp, a lot has changed since then in the security world and computer world in general.

 

It amazes me, especially now, when Windows offered a free upgrade to Windows 10, the number of people who find themselves forced into switching over to a newer version of Windows. Then find themselves at a complete and utter disadvantage – not only in figuring out where things are but also in the fact that they’re asking a question on a mailing list, support forum, or phone call that has been answered hundreds of times, in most cases, but they simply didn’t pay attention. It won’t happen to me. I don’t care about Windows 10. So, how do I access the settings? Where is the control panel? What are the new shortcuts? I’ll just delete all of those messages.

 

At this point, it isn’t as though Windows 10 has life altering negative changes for those using Windows 7. I have it running quite happily here on a computer from 2007 so can we please crush this ridiculous notion that it takes up more resources? Similarly, the negativity surrounding Windows updates. I haven’t had Windows restart unexpectedly on me because of Automatic updates since 2015. I don’t upgrade to the latest and greatest build of Windows 10, but it doesn’t mean I’m going to stop using it. I think it’s great that Windows is finally releasing updates that, in theory, won’t be costing anything and so far as I’m concerned are only adding features that are so badly needed.

 

If you refuse to embrace the changes coming you’re going to be so behind the curve on the most minuscule changes. Be ready to do tons of research – thus hampering productivity. It isn’t as though the changes are staggeringly huge, but if you’re not using an operating system that came out, at this point, 4 years ago, it isn’t fun, you’ll be frustrated, and hate it even more.

 

And we’re not even talking about screen reader support, which is doubly important to us. Though, at this point, I suppose if one isn’t wanting to upgrade Windows why would they want to run the latest screen reader (which they’ll certainly have fun with as Web browsers get more and more complicated and involved).

 

I’m not saying to upgrade a computer, physically. It doesn’t take much to upgrade the operating system it runs on, though, and not doing so now will only put you at a disadvantage later.

 

Just my thoughts

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: April 23, 2019 3:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

If cost is a factor you might try and get government funding for a new computer.  There are places that give computers away to those in need.  However, when I took advantage of this, I got a refurbished windows 10 with 250 G internal hard drive. It was slower then molasses in January.  It was then I found out it was a windows 7, upgraded to windows 10. Thus, I scratched up the funds and converted my Mac Book pro, built in 012, to windows 10 and it is a lot faster. The other thing too, was the upgraded windows 7 would get hot within 20 minutes.  The tech said that was normal for an older computer. I did not expect the latest and greatest however, don’t give me a lame horse either.      

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: April 23, 2019 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

All the hype over security assumes someone wants to hack your system. Most of us don't have anything worth the trouble. In over 25yrs of surfing the net I have never been hacked or know anyone that has. Sure the kids got a virus or two over the years but nothing that really hurt anything and was removed without issue. I run a win 7 machine at the shop and it is not unstable at all. It is just as fast as win10 and doesn't break accessibility on a regular basis. So don't let them brow beat you into spending money you don't have on something you don't really need! I do use a win 10 machine at home and it is fine. Other than re-learning where they hide things on a regular basis it is not all that different than 7. Most of the built in things that aren't very accessible I use 3rd party programs for anyway.
Jaws is not going to stop working on win7 anytime soon either.
On 4/23/2019 9:48 AM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

I'm not willing to change my colors for anyone.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I agree with Brian, Windows 7 is a thing of the past and you really should make the jump to Windows 10 whenever it is that you get a new computer. Besides the fact that Windows 7 will have no more support in less than a year, Windows 10 at least by now is so superior to Windows 7 in almost any way, crashes which I had on a very regular bases with Windows 7 are probably reduced by 95% in Windows 10, it’s Stabil and fast and as Brian also said, all screenreader support and development is for Windows 10. You may like things others don’t have, but really, a floppy drive, I mean why on earth would you want a floppy drive? If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?

Also, you would be much better off with a 500 Gb or so SSD as your main system drive, then add a good quality hard drive with a larger capacity if you need lots of storage, the system performance will be double or better overall and if you want a fast system you really do need an SSD or your hard drive becomes the proverbial bottle neck in your nice new machine.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

David & his pack of dogs
 

If cost is a factor you might try and get government funding for a new computer.  There are places that give computers away to those in need.  However, when I took advantage of this, I got a refurbished windows 10 with 250 G internal hard drive. It was slower then molasses in January.  It was then I found out it was a windows 7, upgraded to windows 10. Thus, I scratched up the funds and converted my Mac Book pro, built in 012, to windows 10 and it is a lot faster. The other thing too, was the upgraded windows 7 would get hot within 20 minutes.  The tech said that was normal for an older computer. I did not expect the latest and greatest however, don’t give me a lame horse either.      

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: April 23, 2019 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

All the hype over security assumes someone wants to hack your system. Most of us don't have anything worth the trouble. In over 25yrs of surfing the net I have never been hacked or know anyone that has. Sure the kids got a virus or two over the years but nothing that really hurt anything and was removed without issue. I run a win 7 machine at the shop and it is not unstable at all. It is just as fast as win10 and doesn't break accessibility on a regular basis. So don't let them brow beat you into spending money you don't have on something you don't really need! I do use a win 10 machine at home and it is fine. Other than re-learning where they hide things on a regular basis it is not all that different than 7. Most of the built in things that aren't very accessible I use 3rd party programs for anyway.
Jaws is not going to stop working on win7 anytime soon either.
On 4/23/2019 9:48 AM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

I'm not willing to change my colors for anyone.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I agree with Brian, Windows 7 is a thing of the past and you really should make the jump to Windows 10 whenever it is that you get a new computer. Besides the fact that Windows 7 will have no more support in less than a year, Windows 10 at least by now is so superior to Windows 7 in almost any way, crashes which I had on a very regular bases with Windows 7 are probably reduced by 95% in Windows 10, it’s Stabil and fast and as Brian also said, all screenreader support and development is for Windows 10. You may like things others don’t have, but really, a floppy drive, I mean why on earth would you want a floppy drive? If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?

Also, you would be much better off with a 500 Gb or so SSD as your main system drive, then add a good quality hard drive with a larger capacity if you need lots of storage, the system performance will be double or better overall and if you want a fast system you really do need an SSD or your hard drive becomes the proverbial bottle neck in your nice new machine.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

G. Gray
 

I will weigh in on this, not trying to argue, but I had a windows XP computer I bought in 2004.  I used it until December 20, 2018 when it gave up the ghost   14 1/2 years with absolutely NO problems!    I used Viper and Firefox to access the web.  I used it for 14 years through Vista (which was terrible, windows 8, windows 8.1 and then Windows 7 with absolutely no problems even with no security updates.  I like Windows 7 and hope to use it a long time as well.  Windows 10 seems to have a lot of issues which of yet are not resolved....just my 2 cents.
 
George
 

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys
 
On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 10:42 AM, John Covici wrote:
Problem is, after support ends you get no security updates, so you will be vulnerable to being hacked.
Indeed, and I was not trying to imply you wouldn't, nor that continuing to use Windows 7 is a good idea.

I have, however, witnessed an awful lot of clinging to dead OSes, and some people are going to do it regardless of how bad an idea it is to do so.  But those programs that currently run under Win7 in their current versions will keep doing so for a very, very long time.

It still only makes sense, if one is sticking with a given OS ecosystem, to keep up-to-date with the latest version of that OS as a daily driver.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

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Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Randy Barnett
 

All the hype over security assumes someone wants to hack your system. Most of us don't have anything worth the trouble. In over 25yrs of surfing the net I have never been hacked or know anyone that has. Sure the kids got a virus or two over the years but nothing that really hurt anything and was removed without issue. I run a win 7 machine at the shop and it is not unstable at all. It is just as fast as win10 and doesn't break accessibility on a regular basis. So don't let them brow beat you into spending money you don't have on something you don't really need! I do use a win 10 machine at home and it is fine. Other than re-learning where they hide things on a regular basis it is not all that different than 7. Most of the built in things that aren't very accessible I use 3rd party programs for anyway.
Jaws is not going to stop working on win7 anytime soon either.

On 4/23/2019 9:48 AM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
I'm not willing to change my colors for anyone.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I agree with Brian, Windows 7 is a thing of the past and you really should make the jump to Windows 10 whenever it is that you get a new computer. Besides the fact that Windows 7 will have no more support in less than a year, Windows 10 at least by now is so superior to Windows 7 in almost any way, crashes which I had on a very regular bases with Windows 7 are probably reduced by 95% in Windows 10, it’s Stabil and fast and as Brian also said, all screenreader support and development is for Windows 10. You may like things others don’t have, but really, a floppy drive, I mean why on earth would you want a floppy drive? If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?

Also, you would be much better off with a 500 Gb or so SSD as your main system drive, then add a good quality hard drive with a larger capacity if you need lots of storage, the system performance will be double or better overall and if you want a fast system you really do need an SSD or your hard drive becomes the proverbial bottle neck in your nice new machine.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell



Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Tanguy LOHEAC
 

Hi

Yes, correct, Alt GR is useful on European keyboards to type in special characters, but also emulates Ctrl+Alt combinations. Therefore, when pressing right Alt+any arrow key, you're actually emulating Ctrl+Alt+arrow key which for Jaws means "move within a table".

If you don't want to deal with keyboard remapping you can try this: press Insert+3 to ignore next command and pass it through to Windows. Then press right Alt+arrow key. But you'll need to do this each time you want to use right Alt key+arrow keys.


cheers

Tanguy


Le 22/04/2019 à 21:52, Bill White a écrit :

ALT GR is for entering characters for other languages.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked to Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR, which I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

UNI044A

Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys under discussion.  This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's not a criticism).  Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard.   That is, unless they have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in which case you'd have to make certain that's been installed.
 
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The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

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One note and JAWS

Maurine Park
 

Hello,
I’m using JAWS 19 with one note 2016.
I’m wondering if there’s any work arounds for the 2 applications not working well together? I’m using one note with my ipad and iphone both running voice over and having no issues.
I’d appreciate any feedback.
Thanks,


Maurine Park
Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
E-mail park@...


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 01:00 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!".
Which, when it comes to security issues, which is one of the primary reasons for updates, is virtually never true.

Also, if one chooses to hang on to ancient versions of any software, and JAWS 15 is now ancient, one has to expect compatibility issues to creep in if one does keep one's system(s) up-to-date.

As a support tech of many years I have to say that your friend's advice is about the worst advice anyone can be given.  I have seen said advice end in many tears, and smoldering heaps of systems that I then have to resurrect from the dead or start over from scratch.  Great for me in terms of making money, horrible for the end user who did not keep their system(s) updated.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Curtis Delzer
 

that is some nice clicky keyboard, we have bought several of their keyboards. definitely American made.

Curtis Delzer 
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 4/22/2019 8:30 AM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:


The keyboard I have is made by Unicomp, based in Lexington, Kentucky. On the left side of the spacebar, from left to right, there's Control, Windows, and Alt. On the right side of the spacebar, from left to right, there's Windows, Alt, Applications, and Control. As far as I know, the keyboard layout I'm using is Desktop, and the keyboard language is set to US.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 8:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The left and right alt keys may, or may not, be the same depending on your keyboard.

On every keyboard I've ever seen on a computer produced for the United States market, ALT is ALT on both sides.   For machines produced for the European market, left ALT has always been ALT, but right ALT is very often ALT GR, which is not plain old ALT.

If you happen to have a machine with the ALT GR key in the right ALT position you may need to use key mapping software like SharpKeys to re-map ALT GR to straight ALT.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle Susan Morison
 


It was actually my sighted friend, Markus Johnson (yes, that's "Markus" with a "K", not a "C"), who suggested I run Windows 7 in its default state with updates turned off. I'm with you on that mentality of, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!". I mean, why does Microsoft seem to wanna pull tricks on us? For example, in Windows 7, you now have to install a software like Startup Sound Changer to change the Windows 7 Startup sound. In Windows XP, you used to be able to change it right in the Control Panel, under Sounds. Why didn't they keep that for Windows 7? This is especially so if you create different sound schemes and you want a different startup sound for each one.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 9:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Atta Girl, Annabelle! I'm still running Windows 7 on my laptop and my audio workstation is still Windows XP 3rd Edition.
 
Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 09:48
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I'm not willing to change my colors for anyone.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I agree with Brian, Windows 7 is a thing of the past and you really should make the jump to Windows 10 whenever it is that you get a new computer. Besides the fact that Windows 7 will have no more support in less than a year, Windows 10 at least by now is so superior to Windows 7 in almost any way, crashes which I had on a very regular bases with Windows 7 are probably reduced by 95% in Windows 10, it’s Stabil and fast and as Brian also said, all screenreader support and development is for Windows 10. You may like things others don’t have, but really, a floppy drive, I mean why on earth would you want a floppy drive? If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?

Also, you would be much better off with a 500 Gb or so SSD as your main system drive, then add a good quality hard drive with a larger capacity if you need lots of storage, the system performance will be double or better overall and if you want a fast system you really do need an SSD or your hard drive becomes the proverbial bottle neck in your nice new machine.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue.

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Dave...
 


Atta Girl, Annabelle! I'm still running Windows 7 on my laptop and my audio workstation is still Windows XP 3rd Edition.
 
Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 09:48
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I'm not willing to change my colors for anyone.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I agree with Brian, Windows 7 is a thing of the past and you really should make the jump to Windows 10 whenever it is that you get a new computer. Besides the fact that Windows 7 will have no more support in less than a year, Windows 10 at least by now is so superior to Windows 7 in almost any way, crashes which I had on a very regular bases with Windows 7 are probably reduced by 95% in Windows 10, it’s Stabil and fast and as Brian also said, all screenreader support and development is for Windows 10. You may like things others don’t have, but really, a floppy drive, I mean why on earth would you want a floppy drive? If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?

Also, you would be much better off with a 500 Gb or so SSD as your main system drive, then add a good quality hard drive with a larger capacity if you need lots of storage, the system performance will be double or better overall and if you want a fast system you really do need an SSD or your hard drive becomes the proverbial bottle neck in your nice new machine.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue.

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle Susan Morison
 


I'm not willing to change my colors for anyone.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I agree with Brian, Windows 7 is a thing of the past and you really should make the jump to Windows 10 whenever it is that you get a new computer. Besides the fact that Windows 7 will have no more support in less than a year, Windows 10 at least by now is so superior to Windows 7 in almost any way, crashes which I had on a very regular bases with Windows 7 are probably reduced by 95% in Windows 10, it’s Stabil and fast and as Brian also said, all screenreader support and development is for Windows 10. You may like things others don’t have, but really, a floppy drive, I mean why on earth would you want a floppy drive? If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?

Also, you would be much better off with a 500 Gb or so SSD as your main system drive, then add a good quality hard drive with a larger capacity if you need lots of storage, the system performance will be double or better overall and if you want a fast system you really do need an SSD or your hard drive becomes the proverbial bottle neck in your nice new machine.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

I run Windows 7 with no updates, as updates break compatibility with JAWS
15.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Problem is, after support ends you get no security updates, so you will be
vulnerable to being hacked.

On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 10:37:41 -0400,
Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it
makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the
Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to
"instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped,
and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during
the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying
architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 The
psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which
assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot
co-exist with a serious affection for another. Everybody knows that this is
untrue. . .

~ Bertrand Russell
--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...