-----Original Message-----
From: Jessica D
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 2:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

Hi,
Wow! If that's the case, that's really sad.
What do we do now?

Thanks,

Jessica


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

last I heard, John Martyn, the creator of the website and scripts has abandoned the maintenance of all of his scripts since 2015-2016.


On 11/14/2019 1:23 PM, Jessica D wrote:

Hi,

Yes, I do.

Here is the link.

I don’t see a price.

https://doitblind.com/shop/

Thanks,

Jessica

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:13 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job
asareasonableaccommodation

Where did you find them? Do you have a link?

It is possible that they only work with specific versions of Jaws.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>; for
Windows 10

*From: *Jessica D <mailto:jldail13@gmail.com>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 17:21
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job
asareasonableaccommodation

Hi,

I found some scripts online, called OneNote blind, but I wasn’t able to
install them on my machine, because a dialog told me I couldn’t.

What happened to cause this?

There were no details, just a close button.

Thanks,

Jessica

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 12:10 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as
areasonableaccommodation

But this is Microsoft Office we are talking about! An Office product
which is widely used across employment. How much more core could this be?

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>; for
Windows 10

*From: *Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
<mailto:Robin_Van_Lant=Key.com@groups.io>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 16:18
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as
areasonableaccommodation

David,

I get your frustration, but I also think JAWS developers need to focus
on the core products used by a majority of users. I could argue that
Microsoft Project and Visio are mainline products that JAWS should
support, but I also understand that it would take a lot of development
hours to serve a small group of potential users of such visually based
software. Far better that JAWS development focus on stability and
features of mainline software. Let those who have the know how and
time develop scripts for less commonly used software. You can’t get
everything for free and companies have to choses were to spend
development hours to meet the most needs. Now, maybe Microsoft Narrator
development will serve One Note.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:37 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonableaccommodation

As I understand it Jaws “out of the box” has never been able to work
properly with One Note. For this reason someone in employment needs to
buy 3^rd party scripts to make them productive with One Note. This is
especially the case if they are using Jaws without sight.

I agree that it is not defensible for VFO to require their Users to
purchase third party scripts to make such a main stream Microsoft
product work effectively for employees. It is a bit like requiring
people by scripts to enable access to other parts of the same Office
suite like Word Excel or PowerPoint.

Scripts are a powerful extender to access with Jaws but should not be
required for widely used mainstream employment products like Microsoft
Office and the increasing used One Note. They should come with Jaws.
Scripts should be reserved / needed for vertical specialist employment
software.

Having said that if you are employment now then I think you probably
have little choice but to purchase scripts and the associated training
to boost your productivity and protect yourself.

One example of the scripts at least are on.

https://www.hartgen.org/bhonenotewonder

David griffithSent from Mail
<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>; for Windows 10

*From: *Jessica D <mailto:jldail13@gmail.com>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 04:27
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonableaccommodation

Hi,

When using onenote, jaws won't read the sidebar.

I'm not even sure how to get to the sidebar.

Has Freedom scientific given a training on this topic?

If not, they definately should.

Thanks,

Jessica

On Nov 13, 2019, at 11:24 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca
<mailto:sieghard@live.ca>> wrote:



I think you would need to be a bit more specific. What exactly does
not work with your Office 365 installation?

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of
*Jessica D
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2019 5:41 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonable accommodation

Hi,

No, I think its onenote in general.

Can anyone tell me how to get the office 365 version to work
properly with jaws 2020?

Thanks,

Jessica

On Nov 13, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Michael Walker
<michael.walker199014@gmail.com
<mailto:michael.walker199014@gmail.com>> wrote:



What note taking alternatives would you use?

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 5:07 PM Rod <rodalcidonis@gmail.com
<mailto:rodalcidonis@gmail.com>> wrote:

Onenote does not work reliably with JAWS – I
reported this to the accessibility desk a while ago. It is
very sluggish and from my point of view unusable.

Rod,


Rod Alcidonis, Esq.

*From:*Walker, Michael E. (UMSL-Student)

*Sent:*Wednesday, November 13, 2019 6:13 AM

*To:*jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

*Subject:*Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonable accommodation

Hi, I am struggling to find reputable information that
suggests using OneNote 2016 effectively on the job with
jaws. What would you recommend? The Microsoft Disability
answer desk is telling me to use one note for windows 10.
However, there are security challenges in my company,
because of how cloud centric that is. The only alternative I
have found is to export OneNote 2016 notebooks to word or
PDF. What are your thoughts? I am trying to work with my
reasonable accommodation focal. Thank you.



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-----Original Message-----
From: Mario
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 2:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

last I heard, John Martyn, the creator of the website and scripts has
abandoned the maintenance of all of his scripts since 2015-2016.


On 11/14/2019 1:23 PM, Jessica D wrote:

Hi,

Yes, I do.

Here is the link.

I don’t see a price.

https://doitblind.com/shop/

Thanks,

Jessica

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:13 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job
asareasonableaccommodation

Where did you find them? Do you have a link?

It is possible that they only work with specific versions of Jaws.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>; for
Windows 10

*From: *Jessica D <mailto:jldail13@gmail.com>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 17:21
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job
asareasonableaccommodation

Hi,

I found some scripts online, called OneNote blind, but I wasn’t able to
install them on my machine, because a dialog told me I couldn’t.

What happened to cause this?

There were no details, just a close button.

Thanks,

Jessica

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 12:10 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as
areasonableaccommodation

But this is Microsoft Office we are talking about! An Office product
which is widely used across employment. How much more core could this be?

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>; for
Windows 10

*From: *Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
<mailto:Robin_Van_Lant=Key.com@groups.io>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 16:18
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as
areasonableaccommodation

David,

I get your frustration, but I also think JAWS developers need to focus
on the core products used by a majority of users. I could argue that
Microsoft Project and Visio are mainline products that JAWS should
support, but I also understand that it would take a lot of development
hours to serve a small group of potential users of such visually based
software. Far better that JAWS development focus on stability and
features of mainline software. Let those who have the know how and
time develop scripts for less commonly used software. You can’t get
everything for free and companies have to choses were to spend
development hours to meet the most needs. Now, maybe Microsoft Narrator
development will serve One Note.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:37 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonableaccommodation

As I understand it Jaws “out of the box” has never been able to work
properly with One Note. For this reason someone in employment needs to
buy 3^rd party scripts to make them productive with One Note. This is
especially the case if they are using Jaws without sight.

I agree that it is not defensible for VFO to require their Users to
purchase third party scripts to make such a main stream Microsoft
product work effectively for employees. It is a bit like requiring
people by scripts to enable access to other parts of the same Office
suite like Word Excel or PowerPoint.

Scripts are a powerful extender to access with Jaws but should not be
required for widely used mainstream employment products like Microsoft
Office and the increasing used One Note. They should come with Jaws.
Scripts should be reserved / needed for vertical specialist employment
software.

Having said that if you are employment now then I think you probably
have little choice but to purchase scripts and the associated training
to boost your productivity and protect yourself.

One example of the scripts at least are on.

https://www.hartgen.org/bhonenotewonder

David griffithSent from Mail
<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>; for Windows 10

*From: *Jessica D <mailto:jldail13@gmail.com>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 04:27
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonableaccommodation

Hi,

When using onenote, jaws won't read the sidebar.

I'm not even sure how to get to the sidebar.

Has Freedom scientific given a training on this topic?

If not, they definately should.

Thanks,

Jessica

On Nov 13, 2019, at 11:24 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca
<mailto:sieghard@live.ca>> wrote:



I think you would need to be a bit more specific. What exactly does
not work with your Office 365 installation?

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of
*Jessica D
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2019 5:41 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonable accommodation

Hi,

No, I think its onenote in general.

Can anyone tell me how to get the office 365 version to work
properly with jaws 2020?

Thanks,

Jessica

On Nov 13, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Michael Walker
<michael.walker199014@gmail.com
<mailto:michael.walker199014@gmail.com>> wrote:



What note taking alternatives would you use?

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 5:07 PM Rod <rodalcidonis@gmail.com
<mailto:rodalcidonis@gmail.com>> wrote:

Onenote does not work reliably with JAWS – I
reported this to the accessibility desk a while ago. It is
very sluggish and from my point of view unusable.

Rod,


Rod Alcidonis, Esq.

*From:*Walker, Michael E. (UMSL-Student)

*Sent:*Wednesday, November 13, 2019 6:13 AM

*To:*jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

*Subject:*Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonable accommodation

Hi, I am struggling to find reputable information that
suggests using OneNote 2016 effectively on the job with
jaws. What would you recommend? The Microsoft Disability
answer desk is telling me to use one note for windows 10.
However, there are security challenges in my company,
because of how cloud centric that is. The only alternative I
have found is to export OneNote 2016 notebooks to word or
PDF. What are your thoughts? I am trying to work with my
reasonable accommodation focal. Thank you.



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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 11:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

 

I found the following website which may help those struggling with One Note as it has many keyboard shortcut suggestions.

 

http://www.doitblind.com/guides/index.php?guide=oneNote

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

                Hi,

I found some scripts online, called OneNote blind, but I wasn’t able to install them on my machine, because a dialog told me I couldn’t.

What happened to cause this?

There were no details, just a close button.

Thanks,

 

Jessica

 

 

 

 

 

But this is Microsoft Office we are talking about!  An Office product which is widely used across employment. How much more core could this be?

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

David,

I get your frustration, but I also think JAWS developers need to focus on the core products used by a majority of users. I could argue that Microsoft Project and Visio are mainline products that JAWS should support, but I also understand that it would take a lot of development hours to serve a small group of potential users of such visually based software. Far better that JAWS development focus on stability and features of mainline software.   Let those who have the know how and time develop scripts for less commonly used software.  You can’t get everything for free and companies have to choses were to spend development hours to meet the most needs.  Now, maybe Microsoft Narrator development will serve One Note. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As I understand it Jaws “out of the box” has never been able to work properly with One Note. For this reason someone in employment needs to buy 3^rd party scripts to make them productive with One Note. This is especially the case  if they are using Jaws without sight.

I agree that it is not defensible for VFO to require their Users to purchase third  party scripts to make such a main stream Microsoft product work effectively for employees. It is a bit like requiring people by scripts to enable access to other parts of the same Office suite like  Word Excel or PowerPoint.

Scripts are a powerful extender to access with Jaws but should not be required for widely used mainstream employment products like Microsoft Office and the increasing used One Note. They should  come with Jaws. Scripts should be reserved / needed for vertical specialist employment software.

Having said that if you are employment now then I think you probably have little choice but to purchase scripts and the associated training to boost your productivity and protect yourself.

One example of the scripts at least are on.

https://www.hartgen.org/bhonenotewonder

David griffithSent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

Hi,

This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information.

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

last I heard, John Martyn, the creator of the website and scripts has abandoned the maintenance of all of his scripts since 2015-2016.


On 11/14/2019 1:23 PM, Jessica D wrote:

Hi,

Yes, I do.

Here is the link.

I don’t see a price.

https://doitblind.com/shop/

Thanks,

Jessica

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:13 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job
asareasonableaccommodation

Where did you find them? Do you have a link?

It is possible that they only work with specific versions of Jaws.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>; for
Windows 10

*From: *Jessica D <mailto:jldail13@gmail.com>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 17:21
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job
asareasonableaccommodation

                Hi,

I found some scripts online, called OneNote blind, but I wasn’t able to
install them on my machine, because a dialog told me I couldn’t.

What happened to cause this?

There were no details, just a close button.

Thanks,

Jessica

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 12:10 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as
areasonableaccommodation

But this is Microsoft Office we are talking about!  An Office product
which is widely used across employment. How much more core could this be?

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>; for
Windows 10

*From: *Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
<mailto:Robin_Van_Lant=Key.com@groups.io>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 16:18
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as
areasonableaccommodation

David,

I get your frustration, but I also think JAWS developers need to focus
on the core products used by a majority of users. I could argue that
Microsoft Project and Visio are mainline products that JAWS should
support, but I also understand that it would take a lot of development
hours to serve a small group of potential users of such visually based
software. Far better that JAWS development focus on stability and
features of mainline software.   Let those who have the know how and
time develop scripts for less commonly used software.  You can’t get
everything for free and companies have to choses were to spend
development hours to meet the most needs.  Now, maybe Microsoft Narrator
development will serve One Note.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:37 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonableaccommodation

As I understand it Jaws “out of the box” has never been able to work
properly with One Note. For this reason someone in employment needs to
buy 3^rd party scripts to make them productive with One Note. This is
especially the case  if they are using Jaws without sight.

I agree that it is not defensible for VFO to require their Users to
purchase third  party scripts to make such a main stream Microsoft
product work effectively for employees. It is a bit like requiring
people by scripts to enable access to other parts of the same Office
suite like  Word Excel or PowerPoint.

Scripts are a powerful extender to access with Jaws but should not be
required for widely used mainstream employment products like Microsoft
Office and the increasing used One Note. They should  come with Jaws.
Scripts should be reserved / needed for vertical specialist employment
software.

Having said that if you are employment now then I think you probably
have little choice but to purchase scripts and the associated training
to boost your productivity and protect yourself.

One example of the scripts at least are on.

https://www.hartgen.org/bhonenotewonder

David griffithSent from Mail
<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>; for Windows 10

*From: *Jessica D <mailto:jldail13@gmail.com>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 04:27
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonableaccommodation

Hi,

When using onenote, jaws won't read the sidebar.

I'm not even sure how to get to the sidebar.

Has Freedom scientific given a training on this topic?

If not, they definately should.

Thanks,

Jessica

On Nov 13, 2019, at 11:24 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca
<mailto:sieghard@live.ca>> wrote:



I think you would need to be a bit more specific. What exactly does
not work with your Office 365 installation?

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of
*Jessica D
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2019 5:41 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonable accommodation

Hi,

No, I think its onenote in general.

Can anyone tell me how to get the office 365 version to work
properly with jaws 2020?

Thanks,

Jessica

On Nov 13, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Michael Walker
<michael.walker199014@gmail.com
<mailto:michael.walker199014@gmail.com>> wrote:



What note taking alternatives would you use?

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 5:07 PM Rod <rodalcidonis@gmail.com
<mailto:rodalcidonis@gmail.com>> wrote:

        Onenote does not work reliably with JAWS – I
reported this to the accessibility desk a while ago. It is
very sluggish and from my point of view unusable.

Rod,


Rod Alcidonis, Esq.

*From:*Walker, Michael E. (UMSL-Student)

*Sent:*Wednesday, November 13, 2019 6:13 AM

*To:*jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

*Subject:*Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonable accommodation

Hi, I am struggling to find reputable information that
suggests using OneNote 2016 effectively on the job with
jaws. What would you recommend? The Microsoft Disability
answer desk is telling me to use one note for windows 10.
However, there are security challenges in my company,
because of how cloud centric that is. The only alternative I
have found is to export OneNote 2016 notebooks to word or
PDF. What are your thoughts? I am trying to work with my
reasonable accommodation focal. Thank you.



This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential
information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you
are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from
disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If
you received this communication in error, please contact the sender
immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic
or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal
information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the
Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or
redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the
services for which you are receiving the information.

127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114


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services from Key
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

last I heard, John Martyn, the creator of the website and scripts has abandoned the maintenance of all of his scripts since 2015-2016.


On 11/14/2019 1:23 PM, Jessica D wrote:

Hi,

Yes, I do.

Here is the link.

I don’t see a price.

https://doitblind.com/shop/

Thanks,

Jessica

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:13 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job
asareasonableaccommodation

Where did you find them? Do you have a link?

It is possible that they only work with specific versions of Jaws.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>; for
Windows 10

*From: *Jessica D <mailto:jldail13@gmail.com>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 17:21
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job
asareasonableaccommodation

Hi,

I found some scripts online, called OneNote blind, but I wasn’t able to
install them on my machine, because a dialog told me I couldn’t.

What happened to cause this?

There were no details, just a close button.

Thanks,

Jessica

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 12:10 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as
areasonableaccommodation

But this is Microsoft Office we are talking about! An Office product
which is widely used across employment. How much more core could this be?

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>; for
Windows 10

*From: *Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
<mailto:Robin_Van_Lant=Key.com@groups.io>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 16:18
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as
areasonableaccommodation

David,

I get your frustration, but I also think JAWS developers need to focus
on the core products used by a majority of users. I could argue that
Microsoft Project and Visio are mainline products that JAWS should
support, but I also understand that it would take a lot of development
hours to serve a small group of potential users of such visually based
software. Far better that JAWS development focus on stability and
features of mainline software. Let those who have the know how and
time develop scripts for less commonly used software. You can’t get
everything for free and companies have to choses were to spend
development hours to meet the most needs. Now, maybe Microsoft Narrator
development will serve One Note.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:37 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonableaccommodation

As I understand it Jaws “out of the box” has never been able to work
properly with One Note. For this reason someone in employment needs to
buy 3^rd party scripts to make them productive with One Note. This is
especially the case if they are using Jaws without sight.

I agree that it is not defensible for VFO to require their Users to
purchase third party scripts to make such a main stream Microsoft
product work effectively for employees. It is a bit like requiring
people by scripts to enable access to other parts of the same Office
suite like Word Excel or PowerPoint.

Scripts are a powerful extender to access with Jaws but should not be
required for widely used mainstream employment products like Microsoft
Office and the increasing used One Note. They should come with Jaws.
Scripts should be reserved / needed for vertical specialist employment
software.

Having said that if you are employment now then I think you probably
have little choice but to purchase scripts and the associated training
to boost your productivity and protect yourself.

One example of the scripts at least are on.

https://www.hartgen.org/bhonenotewonder

David griffithSent from Mail
<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>; for Windows 10

*From: *Jessica D <mailto:jldail13@gmail.com>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 04:27
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonableaccommodation

Hi,

When using onenote, jaws won't read the sidebar.

I'm not even sure how to get to the sidebar.

Has Freedom scientific given a training on this topic?

If not, they definately should.

Thanks,

Jessica

On Nov 13, 2019, at 11:24 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca
<mailto:sieghard@live.ca>> wrote:



I think you would need to be a bit more specific. What exactly does
not work with your Office 365 installation?

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of
*Jessica D
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2019 5:41 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonable accommodation

Hi,

No, I think its onenote in general.

Can anyone tell me how to get the office 365 version to work
properly with jaws 2020?

Thanks,

Jessica

On Nov 13, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Michael Walker
<michael.walker199014@gmail.com
<mailto:michael.walker199014@gmail.com>> wrote:



What note taking alternatives would you use?

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 5:07 PM Rod <rodalcidonis@gmail.com
<mailto:rodalcidonis@gmail.com>> wrote:

Onenote does not work reliably with JAWS – I
reported this to the accessibility desk a while ago. It is
very sluggish and from my point of view unusable.

Rod,


Rod Alcidonis, Esq.

*From:*Walker, Michael E. (UMSL-Student)

*Sent:*Wednesday, November 13, 2019 6:13 AM

*To:*jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

*Subject:*Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonable accommodation

Hi, I am struggling to find reputable information that
suggests using OneNote 2016 effectively on the job with
jaws. What would you recommend? The Microsoft Disability
answer desk is telling me to use one note for windows 10.
However, there are security challenges in my company,
because of how cloud centric that is. The only alternative I
have found is to export OneNote 2016 notebooks to word or
PDF. What are your thoughts? I am trying to work with my
reasonable accommodation focal. Thank you.



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On 11/14/2019 1:23 PM, Jessica D wrote:

Hi,

Yes, I do.

Here is the link.

I don’t see a price.

https://doitblind.com/shop/

Thanks,

Jessica

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:13 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job
asareasonableaccommodation

Where did you find them? Do you have a link?

It is possible that they only work with specific versions of Jaws.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>; for
Windows 10

*From: *Jessica D <mailto:jldail13@gmail.com>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 17:21
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job
asareasonableaccommodation

                Hi,

I found some scripts online, called OneNote blind, but I wasn’t able to
install them on my machine, because a dialog told me I couldn’t.

What happened to cause this?

There were no details, just a close button.

Thanks,

Jessica

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 12:10 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as
areasonableaccommodation

But this is Microsoft Office we are talking about!  An Office product
which is widely used across employment. How much more core could this be?

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>; for
Windows 10

*From: *Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
<mailto:Robin_Van_Lant=Key.com@groups.io>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 16:18
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as
areasonableaccommodation

David,

I get your frustration, but I also think JAWS developers need to focus
on the core products used by a majority of users. I could argue that
Microsoft Project and Visio are mainline products that JAWS should
support, but I also understand that it would take a lot of development
hours to serve a small group of potential users of such visually based
software. Far better that JAWS development focus on stability and
features of mainline software.   Let those who have the know how and
time develop scripts for less commonly used software.  You can’t get
everything for free and companies have to choses were to spend
development hours to meet the most needs.  Now, maybe Microsoft Narrator
development will serve One Note.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:37 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonableaccommodation

As I understand it Jaws “out of the box” has never been able to work
properly with One Note. For this reason someone in employment needs to
buy 3^rd party scripts to make them productive with One Note. This is
especially the case  if they are using Jaws without sight.

I agree that it is not defensible for VFO to require their Users to
purchase third  party scripts to make such a main stream Microsoft
product work effectively for employees. It is a bit like requiring
people by scripts to enable access to other parts of the same Office
suite like  Word Excel or PowerPoint.

Scripts are a powerful extender to access with Jaws but should not be
required for widely used mainstream employment products like Microsoft
Office and the increasing used One Note. They should  come with Jaws.
Scripts should be reserved / needed for vertical specialist employment
software.

Having said that if you are employment now then I think you probably
have little choice but to purchase scripts and the associated training
to boost your productivity and protect yourself.

One example of the scripts at least are on.

https://www.hartgen.org/bhonenotewonder

David griffithSent from Mail
<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>; for Windows 10

*From: *Jessica D <mailto:jldail13@gmail.com>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 04:27
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonableaccommodation

Hi,

When using onenote, jaws won't read the sidebar.

I'm not even sure how to get to the sidebar.

Has Freedom scientific given a training on this topic?

If not, they definately should.

Thanks,

Jessica

On Nov 13, 2019, at 11:24 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca
<mailto:sieghard@live.ca>> wrote:



I think you would need to be a bit more specific. What exactly does
not work with your Office 365 installation?

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of
*Jessica D
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2019 5:41 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonable accommodation

Hi,

No, I think its onenote in general.

Can anyone tell me how to get the office 365 version to work
properly with jaws 2020?

Thanks,

Jessica

On Nov 13, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Michael Walker
<michael.walker199014@gmail.com
<mailto:michael.walker199014@gmail.com>> wrote:



What note taking alternatives would you use?

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 5:07 PM Rod <rodalcidonis@gmail.com
<mailto:rodalcidonis@gmail.com>> wrote:

        Onenote does not work reliably with JAWS – I
reported this to the accessibility desk a while ago. It is
very sluggish and from my point of view unusable.

Rod,


Rod Alcidonis, Esq.

*From:*Walker, Michael E. (UMSL-Student)

*Sent:*Wednesday, November 13, 2019 6:13 AM

*To:*jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>

*Subject:*Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a
reasonable accommodation

Hi, I am struggling to find reputable information that
suggests using OneNote 2016 effectively on the job with
jaws. What would you recommend? The Microsoft Disability
answer desk is telling me to use one note for windows 10.
However, there are security challenges in my company,
because of how cloud centric that is. The only alternative I
have found is to export OneNote 2016 notebooks to word or
PDF. What are your thoughts? I am trying to work with my
reasonable accommodation focal. Thank you.



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are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from
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you received this communication in error, please contact the sender
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or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

 

Hi,

Yes, I do.

Here is the link.

I don’t see a price.

 

https://doitblind.com/shop/

Thanks,

 

Jessica

 

 

 

 

Where did you find them? Do you have a link?

It is possible that they only work with specific versions of Jaws.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

                Hi,

I found some scripts online, called OneNote blind, but I wasn’t able to install them on my machine, because a dialog told me I couldn’t.

What happened to cause this?

There were no details, just a close button.

Thanks,

 

Jessica

 

 

 

 

 

But this is Microsoft Office we are talking about!  An Office product which is widely used across employment. How much more core could this be?

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

David,

I get your frustration, but I also think JAWS developers need to focus on the core products used by a majority of users. I could argue that Microsoft Project and Visio are mainline products that JAWS should support, but I also understand that it would take a lot of development hours to serve a small group of potential users of such visually based software. Far better that JAWS development focus on stability and features of mainline software.   Let those who have the know how and time develop scripts for less commonly used software.  You can’t get everything for free and companies have to choses were to spend development hours to meet the most needs.  Now, maybe Microsoft Narrator development will serve One Note. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As I understand it Jaws “out of the box” has never been able to work properly with One Note. For this reason someone in employment needs to buy 3^rd party scripts to make them productive with One Note. This is especially the case  if they are using Jaws without sight.

I agree that it is not defensible for VFO to require their Users to purchase third  party scripts to make such a main stream Microsoft product work effectively for employees. It is a bit like requiring people by scripts to enable access to other parts of the same Office suite like  Word Excel or PowerPoint.

Scripts are a powerful extender to access with Jaws but should not be required for widely used mainstream employment products like Microsoft Office and the increasing used One Note. They should  come with Jaws. Scripts should be reserved / needed for vertical specialist employment software.

Having said that if you are employment now then I think you probably have little choice but to purchase scripts and the associated training to boost your productivity and protect yourself.

One example of the scripts at least are on.

https://www.hartgen.org/bhonenotewonder

David griffithSent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

Hi,

This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information.

127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

 

 

Where did you find them? Do you have a link?

It is possible that they only work with specific versions of Jaws.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

                Hi,

I found some scripts online, called OneNote blind, but I wasn’t able to install them on my machine, because a dialog told me I couldn’t.

What happened to cause this?

There were no details, just a close button.

Thanks,

 

Jessica

 

 

 

 

 

But this is Microsoft Office we are talking about!  An Office product which is widely used across employment. How much more core could this be?

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

David,

I get your frustration, but I also think JAWS developers need to focus on the core products used by a majority of users. I could argue that Microsoft Project and Visio are mainline products that JAWS should support, but I also understand that it would take a lot of development hours to serve a small group of potential users of such visually based software. Far better that JAWS development focus on stability and features of mainline software.   Let those who have the know how and time develop scripts for less commonly used software.  You can’t get everything for free and companies have to choses were to spend development hours to meet the most needs.  Now, maybe Microsoft Narrator development will serve One Note. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As I understand it Jaws “out of the box” has never been able to work properly with One Note. For this reason someone in employment needs to buy 3^rd party scripts to make them productive with One Note. This is especially the case  if they are using Jaws without sight.

I agree that it is not defensible for VFO to require their Users to purchase third  party scripts to make such a main stream Microsoft product work effectively for employees. It is a bit like requiring people by scripts to enable access to other parts of the same Office suite like  Word Excel or PowerPoint.

Scripts are a powerful extender to access with Jaws but should not be required for widely used mainstream employment products like Microsoft Office and the increasing used One Note. They should  come with Jaws. Scripts should be reserved / needed for vertical specialist employment software.

Having said that if you are employment now then I think you probably have little choice but to purchase scripts and the associated training to boost your productivity and protect yourself.

One example of the scripts at least are on.

https://www.hartgen.org/bhonenotewonder

David griffithSent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

Hi,

This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information.

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From: Jessica D
Sent: 14 November 2019 17:21
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

 

                Hi,

I found some scripts online, called OneNote blind, but I wasn’t able to install them on my machine, because a dialog told me I couldn’t.

What happened to cause this?

There were no details, just a close button.

Thanks,

 

Jessica

 

 

 

 

 

But this is Microsoft Office we are talking about!  An Office product which is widely used across employment. How much more core could this be?

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

David,

I get your frustration, but I also think JAWS developers need to focus on the core products used by a majority of users. I could argue that Microsoft Project and Visio are mainline products that JAWS should support, but I also understand that it would take a lot of development hours to serve a small group of potential users of such visually based software. Far better that JAWS development focus on stability and features of mainline software.   Let those who have the know how and time develop scripts for less commonly used software.  You can’t get everything for free and companies have to choses were to spend development hours to meet the most needs.  Now, maybe Microsoft Narrator development will serve One Note. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As I understand it Jaws “out of the box” has never been able to work properly with One Note. For this reason someone in employment needs to buy 3^rd party scripts to make them productive with One Note. This is especially the case  if they are using Jaws without sight.

I agree that it is not defensible for VFO to require their Users to purchase third  party scripts to make such a main stream Microsoft product work effectively for employees. It is a bit like requiring people by scripts to enable access to other parts of the same Office suite like  Word Excel or PowerPoint.

Scripts are a powerful extender to access with Jaws but should not be required for widely used mainstream employment products like Microsoft Office and the increasing used One Note. They should  come with Jaws. Scripts should be reserved / needed for vertical specialist employment software.

Having said that if you are employment now then I think you probably have little choice but to purchase scripts and the associated training to boost your productivity and protect yourself.

One example of the scripts at least are on.

https://www.hartgen.org/bhonenotewonder

David griffithSent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

Hi,

This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information.

127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114

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From: Jessica D
Sent: 14 November 2019 17:21
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job asareasonableaccommodation

 

                Hi,

I found some scripts online, called OneNote blind, but I wasn’t able to install them on my machine, because a dialog told me I couldn’t.

What happened to cause this?

There were no details, just a close button.

Thanks,

 

Jessica

 

 

 

 

 

But this is Microsoft Office we are talking about!  An Office product which is widely used across employment. How much more core could this be?

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

David,

I get your frustration, but I also think JAWS developers need to focus on the core products used by a majority of users. I could argue that Microsoft Project and Visio are mainline products that JAWS should support, but I also understand that it would take a lot of development hours to serve a small group of potential users of such visually based software. Far better that JAWS development focus on stability and features of mainline software.   Let those who have the know how and time develop scripts for less commonly used software.  You can’t get everything for free and companies have to choses were to spend development hours to meet the most needs.  Now, maybe Microsoft Narrator development will serve One Note. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As I understand it Jaws “out of the box” has never been able to work properly with One Note. For this reason someone in employment needs to buy 3^rd party scripts to make them productive with One Note. This is especially the case  if they are using Jaws without sight.

I agree that it is not defensible for VFO to require their Users to purchase third  party scripts to make such a main stream Microsoft product work effectively for employees. It is a bit like requiring people by scripts to enable access to other parts of the same Office suite like  Word Excel or PowerPoint.

Scripts are a powerful extender to access with Jaws but should not be required for widely used mainstream employment products like Microsoft Office and the increasing used One Note. They should  come with Jaws. Scripts should be reserved / needed for vertical specialist employment software.

Having said that if you are employment now then I think you probably have little choice but to purchase scripts and the associated training to boost your productivity and protect yourself.

One example of the scripts at least are on.

https://www.hartgen.org/bhonenotewonder

David griffithSent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

Hi,

This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information.

127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 12:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as areasonableaccommodation

 

 

 

But this is Microsoft Office we are talking about!  An Office product which is widely used across employment. How much more core could this be?

 

David Griffith

 

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David,

I get your frustration, but I also think JAWS developers need to focus on the core products used by a majority of users. I could argue that Microsoft Project and Visio are mainline products that JAWS should support, but I also understand that it would take a lot of development hours to serve a small group of potential users of such visually based software. Far better that JAWS development focus on stability and features of mainline software.   Let those who have the know how and time develop scripts for less commonly used software.  You can’t get everything for free and companies have to choses were to spend development hours to meet the most needs.  Now, maybe Microsoft Narrator development will serve One Note. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As I understand it Jaws “out of the box” has never been able to work properly with One Note. For this reason someone in employment needs to buy 3^rd party scripts to make them productive with One Note. This is especially the case  if they are using Jaws without sight.

I agree that it is not defensible for VFO to require their Users to purchase third  party scripts to make such a main stream Microsoft product work effectively for employees. It is a bit like requiring people by scripts to enable access to other parts of the same Office suite like  Word Excel or PowerPoint.

Scripts are a powerful extender to access with Jaws but should not be required for widely used mainstream employment products like Microsoft Office and the increasing used One Note. They should  come with Jaws. Scripts should be reserved / needed for vertical specialist employment software.

Having said that if you are employment now then I think you probably have little choice but to purchase scripts and the associated training to boost your productivity and protect yourself.

One example of the scripts at least are on.

https://www.hartgen.org/bhonenotewonder

David griffithSent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

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From: Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: 14 November 2019 16:18
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as areasonableaccommodation

 

David,

I get your frustration, but I also think JAWS developers need to focus on the core products used by a majority of users. I could argue that Microsoft Project and Visio are mainline products that JAWS should support, but I also understand that it would take a lot of development hours to serve a small group of potential users of such visually based software. Far better that JAWS development focus on stability and features of mainline software.   Let those who have the know how and time develop scripts for less commonly used software.  You can’t get everything for free and companies have to choses were to spend development hours to meet the most needs.  Now, maybe Microsoft Narrator development will serve One Note. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As I understand it Jaws “out of the box” has never been able to work properly with One Note. For this reason someone in employment needs to buy 3^rd party scripts to make them productive with One Note. This is especially the case  if they are using Jaws without sight.

I agree that it is not defensible for VFO to require their Users to purchase third  party scripts to make such a main stream Microsoft product work effectively for employees. It is a bit like requiring people by scripts to enable access to other parts of the same Office suite like  Word Excel or PowerPoint.

Scripts are a powerful extender to access with Jaws but should not be required for widely used mainstream employment products like Microsoft Office and the increasing used One Note. They should  come with Jaws. Scripts should be reserved / needed for vertical specialist employment software.

Having said that if you are employment now then I think you probably have little choice but to purchase scripts and the associated training to boost your productivity and protect yourself.

One example of the scripts at least are on.

https://www.hartgen.org/bhonenotewonder

David griffithSent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

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Hi list ken here.  A question. Yesterday after six wasted hours trying to get my computer updated to the new windows.  I discovered that thanks to HP, I can’t upgrade any further than 1903 because of the drivers.  HP has drivers from windows 7 and the no longer work.  I couldn’t even install the cumulative update/patch for 1903 got error and retry four time.  Last night howe ver had an idea.  I have installed jaws 2020 running in 40 minute mode as a backup.  Jaws does give you some things it needs to run like the Microsoft visual C libraries.  This was why I couldn’t run edcast encoders on a radio show they wouldn’t load without something in the computer.  Does anyone know on list if by chance jaws gives you any updated drivers that will work with windows 10 1909 update or do I have to get them from HP?  Thanks. 

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about OneNote 2016 on the job as a reasonableaccommodation

 

 

As I understand it Jaws “out of the box” has never been able to work properly with One Note. For this reason someone in employment needs to buy 3^rd party scripts to make them productive with One Note. This is especially the case  if they are using Jaws without sight.

I agree that it is not defensible for VFO to require their Users to purchase third  party scripts to make such a main stream Microsoft product work effectively for employees. It is a bit like requiring people by scripts to enable access to other parts of the same Office suite like  Word Excel or PowerPoint.

Scripts are a powerful extender to access with Jaws but should not be required for widely used mainstream employment products like Microsoft Office and the increasing used One Note. They should  come with Jaws. Scripts should be reserved / needed for vertical specialist employment software.

Having said that if you are employment now then I think you probably have little choice but to purchase scripts and the associated training to boost your productivity and protect yourself.

One example of the scripts at least are on.

https://www.hartgen.org/bhonenotewonder

David griffithSent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ARORA Meesha
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 12:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Yes I did try to go to the clock after pressing Windows B and then navigating to the system clock however it only provides feedback for one clock and not the other one.

 

 

You probably cannot do it with the JAWS F12 keystroke to check time, but if both clocks appear on your System tray in the bottom right of your screen, then you can try using Windows key B to get to the system tray, then arrowing left or right to hear the clocks.  I usually find focus is at the far left of the icons in the system tray, so it is fastest to arrow left and focus will quickly circle around to the far right of the icons where the standard system clock is.

 

 

 

 

 

Hi members,

Can I check time for two time zones simultaneously using JAWS?

I have added two clocks however JAWS just provides feedback for one of it so not sure how to access time for the other one.

Thanks,

Meesha

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