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Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Randy Barnett
 

All the hype over security assumes someone wants to hack your system. Most of us don't have anything worth the trouble. In over 25yrs of surfing the net I have never been hacked or know anyone that has. Sure the kids got a virus or two over the years but nothing that really hurt anything and was removed without issue. I run a win 7 machine at the shop and it is not unstable at all. It is just as fast as win10 and doesn't break accessibility on a regular basis. So don't let them brow beat you into spending money you don't have on something you don't really need! I do use a win 10 machine at home and it is fine. Other than re-learning where they hide things on a regular basis it is not all that different than 7. Most of the built in things that aren't very accessible I use 3rd party programs for anyway.
Jaws is not going to stop working on win7 anytime soon either.

On 4/23/2019 9:48 AM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
I'm not willing to change my colors for anyone.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I agree with Brian, Windows 7 is a thing of the past and you really should make the jump to Windows 10 whenever it is that you get a new computer. Besides the fact that Windows 7 will have no more support in less than a year, Windows 10 at least by now is so superior to Windows 7 in almost any way, crashes which I had on a very regular bases with Windows 7 are probably reduced by 95% in Windows 10, it’s Stabil and fast and as Brian also said, all screenreader support and development is for Windows 10. You may like things others don’t have, but really, a floppy drive, I mean why on earth would you want a floppy drive? If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?

Also, you would be much better off with a 500 Gb or so SSD as your main system drive, then add a good quality hard drive with a larger capacity if you need lots of storage, the system performance will be double or better overall and if you want a fast system you really do need an SSD or your hard drive becomes the proverbial bottle neck in your nice new machine.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Tanguy LOHEAC
 

Hi

Yes, correct, Alt GR is useful on European keyboards to type in special characters, but also emulates Ctrl+Alt combinations. Therefore, when pressing right Alt+any arrow key, you're actually emulating Ctrl+Alt+arrow key which for Jaws means "move within a table".

If you don't want to deal with keyboard remapping you can try this: press Insert+3 to ignore next command and pass it through to Windows. Then press right Alt+arrow key. But you'll need to do this each time you want to use right Alt key+arrow keys.


cheers

Tanguy


Le 22/04/2019 à 21:52, Bill White a écrit :

ALT GR is for entering characters for other languages.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked to Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR, which I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

UNI044A

Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys under discussion.  This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's not a criticism).  Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard.   That is, unless they have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in which case you'd have to make certain that's been installed.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

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Tanguy Lohéac
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Garanti sans virus. www.avast.com

One note and JAWS

Maurine Park
 

Hello,
I’m using JAWS 19 with one note 2016.
I’m wondering if there’s any work arounds for the 2 applications not working well together? I’m using one note with my ipad and iphone both running voice over and having no issues.
I’d appreciate any feedback.
Thanks,


Maurine Park
Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
E-mail park@...

Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 01:00 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!".
Which, when it comes to security issues, which is one of the primary reasons for updates, is virtually never true.

Also, if one chooses to hang on to ancient versions of any software, and JAWS 15 is now ancient, one has to expect compatibility issues to creep in if one does keep one's system(s) up-to-date.

As a support tech of many years I have to say that your friend's advice is about the worst advice anyone can be given.  I have seen said advice end in many tears, and smoldering heaps of systems that I then have to resurrect from the dead or start over from scratch.  Great for me in terms of making money, horrible for the end user who did not keep their system(s) updated.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Curtis Delzer
 

that is some nice clicky keyboard, we have bought several of their keyboards. definitely American made.

Curtis Delzer 
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 4/22/2019 8:30 AM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:


The keyboard I have is made by Unicomp, based in Lexington, Kentucky. On the left side of the spacebar, from left to right, there's Control, Windows, and Alt. On the right side of the spacebar, from left to right, there's Windows, Alt, Applications, and Control. As far as I know, the keyboard layout I'm using is Desktop, and the keyboard language is set to US.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 8:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The left and right alt keys may, or may not, be the same depending on your keyboard.

On every keyboard I've ever seen on a computer produced for the United States market, ALT is ALT on both sides.   For machines produced for the European market, left ALT has always been ALT, but right ALT is very often ALT GR, which is not plain old ALT.

If you happen to have a machine with the ALT GR key in the right ALT position you may need to use key mapping software like SharpKeys to re-map ALT GR to straight ALT.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle Susan Morison
 


It was actually my sighted friend, Markus Johnson (yes, that's "Markus" with a "K", not a "C"), who suggested I run Windows 7 in its default state with updates turned off. I'm with you on that mentality of, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!". I mean, why does Microsoft seem to wanna pull tricks on us? For example, in Windows 7, you now have to install a software like Startup Sound Changer to change the Windows 7 Startup sound. In Windows XP, you used to be able to change it right in the Control Panel, under Sounds. Why didn't they keep that for Windows 7? This is especially so if you create different sound schemes and you want a different startup sound for each one.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 9:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Atta Girl, Annabelle! I'm still running Windows 7 on my laptop and my audio workstation is still Windows XP 3rd Edition.
 
Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 09:48
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I'm not willing to change my colors for anyone.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I agree with Brian, Windows 7 is a thing of the past and you really should make the jump to Windows 10 whenever it is that you get a new computer. Besides the fact that Windows 7 will have no more support in less than a year, Windows 10 at least by now is so superior to Windows 7 in almost any way, crashes which I had on a very regular bases with Windows 7 are probably reduced by 95% in Windows 10, it’s Stabil and fast and as Brian also said, all screenreader support and development is for Windows 10. You may like things others don’t have, but really, a floppy drive, I mean why on earth would you want a floppy drive? If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?

Also, you would be much better off with a 500 Gb or so SSD as your main system drive, then add a good quality hard drive with a larger capacity if you need lots of storage, the system performance will be double or better overall and if you want a fast system you really do need an SSD or your hard drive becomes the proverbial bottle neck in your nice new machine.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue.

           ~ Bertrand Russell

Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Dave...
 


Atta Girl, Annabelle! I'm still running Windows 7 on my laptop and my audio workstation is still Windows XP 3rd Edition.
 
Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 09:48
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I'm not willing to change my colors for anyone.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I agree with Brian, Windows 7 is a thing of the past and you really should make the jump to Windows 10 whenever it is that you get a new computer. Besides the fact that Windows 7 will have no more support in less than a year, Windows 10 at least by now is so superior to Windows 7 in almost any way, crashes which I had on a very regular bases with Windows 7 are probably reduced by 95% in Windows 10, it’s Stabil and fast and as Brian also said, all screenreader support and development is for Windows 10. You may like things others don’t have, but really, a floppy drive, I mean why on earth would you want a floppy drive? If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?

Also, you would be much better off with a 500 Gb or so SSD as your main system drive, then add a good quality hard drive with a larger capacity if you need lots of storage, the system performance will be double or better overall and if you want a fast system you really do need an SSD or your hard drive becomes the proverbial bottle neck in your nice new machine.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue.

           ~ Bertrand Russell

Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle Susan Morison
 


I'm not willing to change my colors for anyone.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I agree with Brian, Windows 7 is a thing of the past and you really should make the jump to Windows 10 whenever it is that you get a new computer. Besides the fact that Windows 7 will have no more support in less than a year, Windows 10 at least by now is so superior to Windows 7 in almost any way, crashes which I had on a very regular bases with Windows 7 are probably reduced by 95% in Windows 10, it’s Stabil and fast and as Brian also said, all screenreader support and development is for Windows 10. You may like things others don’t have, but really, a floppy drive, I mean why on earth would you want a floppy drive? If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?

Also, you would be much better off with a 500 Gb or so SSD as your main system drive, then add a good quality hard drive with a larger capacity if you need lots of storage, the system performance will be double or better overall and if you want a fast system you really do need an SSD or your hard drive becomes the proverbial bottle neck in your nice new machine.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

I run Windows 7 with no updates, as updates break compatibility with JAWS
15.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Problem is, after support ends you get no security updates, so you will be
vulnerable to being hacked.

On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 10:37:41 -0400,
Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

[1 <text/plain; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
[2 <text/html; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>] Windows 7 is what I use, so
even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it
makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the
Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to
"instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped,
and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during
the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying
architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 The
psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which
assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot
co-exist with a serious affection for another. Everybody knows that this is
untrue. . .

~ Bertrand Russell
--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...

Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 10:42 AM, John Covici wrote:
Problem is, after support ends you get no security updates, so you will be vulnerable to being hacked.
Indeed, and I was not trying to imply you wouldn't, nor that continuing to use Windows 7 is a good idea.

I have, however, witnessed an awful lot of clinging to dead OSes, and some people are going to do it regardless of how bad an idea it is to do so.  But those programs that currently run under Win7 in their current versions will keep doing so for a very, very long time.

It still only makes sense, if one is sticking with a given OS ecosystem, to keep up-to-date with the latest version of that OS as a daily driver.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 10:46 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?
Absolutely agree with this (and your point about using an SSD as the main drive, possibly partitioned into the Windows OS portion and keeping User Data on it on a partition of its own).   I actually did "archival preservation" of a lot of ancient floppy stuff years ago when I knew that the drive style itself was going the way of the dinosaur.  I just copied it on to the HDD, which then means it gets backed up, too, and copy it to USB thumb drive or SD card when I need to carry it somewhere.  It's been a very long while since I last did that.

Oddly enough, though, you can still obtain external FDDs, though generally by special order.   If I were someone who has a collection of ancient software on FD, and currently have a system with an FDD, I'd be making the effort to transfer it to another storage medium for "perpetual archiving" and that medium would most likely be HDD and/or SSD, where that primary medium was being backed up.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

I agree with Brian, Windows 7 is a thing of the past and you really should make the jump to Windows 10 whenever it is that you get a new computer. Besides the fact that Windows 7 will have no more support in less than a year, Windows 10 at least by now is so superior to Windows 7 in almost any way, crashes which I had on a very regular bases with Windows 7 are probably reduced by 95% in Windows 10, it’s Stabil and fast and as Brian also said, all screenreader support and development is for Windows 10. You may like things others don’t have, but really, a floppy drive, I mean why on earth would you want a floppy drive? If you have old floppies put what’s on them on a USB stick or an external drive or a DVD, but I’m really curious what the point of one is?

Also, you would be much better off with a 500 Gb or so SSD as your main system drive, then add a good quality hard drive with a larger capacity if you need lots of storage, the system performance will be double or better overall and if you want a fast system you really do need an SSD or your hard drive becomes the proverbial bottle neck in your nice new machine.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

John Covici
 

Problem is, after support ends you get no security updates, so you
will be vulnerable to being hacked.

On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 10:37:41 -0400,
Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

[1 <text/plain; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
[2 <text/html; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows
7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another. Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

~ Bertrand Russell
--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...

Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 10:01 AM, John Covici wrote:
You would need to get another product key to put Windows 7 on more
than one computer.
This is true if the original license is not multi-machine.   But, if it's single machine, and the license is a retail license, you can reinstall it on a new machine provided the old one is decommissioned (that is, not running or at least not running with Windows 7 using that same license anymore).

Using Windows XP as a daily driver and interacting with cyberspace is just a very bad idea.   I actually believe, based on my own observations, that the worst risks (as in most active attempts to compromise those systems) have passed now since there is no large, tempting target of users of XP anymore.  That doesn't eliminate the risk posed by those who "hack for amusement" and who get their jollies by making systems crash and burn.   I'd never use XP to do anything involving cyberspace where any credentials need to be entered where identity theft or theft of money would be easy were they obtained.  I'd never use XP, period, with a connection to the internet these days.  I do have one very old XP laptop that has been preserved strictly for a specific piece of software that runs on it and that functions fine with no connection with cyberspace.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle Susan Morison
 


Windows 7 is what I use, so even if support ends, I'll still be happy with what I have.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

John Covici
 

You would need to get another product key to put Windows 7 on more
than one computer. Windows XP is very dangerous to have out there.

On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 05:18:24 -0400,
Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

I wish I could upgrade my Dell Machine, but I'd rather just build one from
the ground up and put Windows 7 Professional 64 Bit on there. That way, if
anything breaks down, I could just swap similar components, instead of
having a brand-name machine like Dell, where you have to use proprietary
components specific to the machine. However, right this moment, I don't have
at least $787 to do so. But I guess it takes time and patience to come up
with funds of that sort. I want to build a machine that has a whisper quiet
fan, 64 Bit capability, lots of RAM, either a Broadcom or a Realtek Ethernet
jack, a Bios Gigabyte Motherboard, either a Soundmax Digital Audio or a
Realtek High Definition audio soundcard, an AMD Radeon HD5400 (I'm not sure
if that's the processor or the Graphics Card), an Intel Core I5 or higher
with 3.30 GHZ or higher, USB 2.0 and 3.0 capabilities, high-quality 7200RPM
HDD Hard Drives (The top-of-the-line professional kinds like Western Digital
Black or Seagate Iron Barracuda, Wolf, or Skyhawk Pro, each 1 Terabyte)
(which I'll put into the bays of the machine), either a Pioneer DVR219L or
an HL-DT-ST DVDRAM_GSA-H10N DVD/CD ROM Drive with DVDRW and CDRW
capabilities, a floppy disk drive (I know, I like stuff that some say is
obsolete), a VGA port which I'll hook up my USB KVM Switcher to, and most
important of all, at least for me, an all-metal, cubic square-shaped
box-like standing tower, instead of an all-plastic, rectangular-shaped
box-like flat tower as is the Dell. I wish I could send along pictures of
both machines I have so you can compare what the machines are like, but I'm
sure most of the JAWS members, like me, are also blind. Also, out of
curiosity, since I have a copy of Windows 7, is it possible to put it on
more than one machine? Or would I have to get another copy? Or perhaps get a
multimachine license for the same copy I have?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 7:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

You should not be using Windows xp on the internet! Someone could put a key
logger and know everything you type. There are no security updates for xp
and its the wild west out there.

On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 21:05:23 -0400,
Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

[1 <text/plain; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
[2 <text/html; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>] I'm trying that, but it
seems to want to make the Control, Shift and Right Alt keys work together
as a trio. What's up with that, I wonder?

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 2:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

ctrl + shift is supposed to disable alt gr...
On 4/22/2019 2:27 PM, Randy Barnett via Groups.Io wrote:

I found this it may or may not help:

https://www.thewindowsclub.com/how-do-i-enable-or-disable-alt-gr-key-o
n-windows-10-keyboard On 4/22/2019 12:52 PM, Bill White wrote:

ALT GR is for entering characters for other languages.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked to
Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR, which
I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

UNI044A

Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys
under discussion. This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's
not a criticism). Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the
arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the
repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where
they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard. That is,
unless they
have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in which case
you'd have to make certain that's been installed.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 The
psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals,
which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person
cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another. Everybody knows that
this is untrue. . .

~ Bertrand Russell

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...






--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...

Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

The end of support for Windows 7 is also now only 8 months away, so it makes no sense, if one is going to continue into the future under the Windows ecosystem, to use Windows 7.

The folks that develop JAWS and other screen readers aren't going to "instantly" drop support for Windows 7, but it will eventually be dropped, and probably much faster than support for XP and Vista were dropped during the Windows 7/8/early-10 era given the changes in the underlying architecture of Windows.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

I wish I could upgrade my Dell Machine, but I'd rather just build one from
the ground up and put Windows 7 Professional 64 Bit on there. That way, if
anything breaks down, I could just swap similar components, instead of
having a brand-name machine like Dell, where you have to use proprietary
components specific to the machine. However, right this moment, I don't have
at least $787 to do so. But I guess it takes time and patience to come up
with funds of that sort. I want to build a machine that has a whisper quiet
fan, 64 Bit capability, lots of RAM, either a Broadcom or a Realtek Ethernet
jack, a Bios Gigabyte Motherboard, either a Soundmax Digital Audio or a
Realtek High Definition audio soundcard, an AMD Radeon HD5400 (I'm not sure
if that's the processor or the Graphics Card), an Intel Core I5 or higher
with 3.30 GHZ or higher, USB 2.0 and 3.0 capabilities, high-quality 7200RPM
HDD Hard Drives (The top-of-the-line professional kinds like Western Digital
Black or Seagate Iron Barracuda, Wolf, or Skyhawk Pro, each 1 Terabyte)
(which I'll put into the bays of the machine), either a Pioneer DVR219L or
an HL-DT-ST DVDRAM_GSA-H10N DVD/CD ROM Drive with DVDRW and CDRW
capabilities, a floppy disk drive (I know, I like stuff that some say is
obsolete), a VGA port which I'll hook up my USB KVM Switcher to, and most
important of all, at least for me, an all-metal, cubic square-shaped
box-like standing tower, instead of an all-plastic, rectangular-shaped
box-like flat tower as is the Dell. I wish I could send along pictures of
both machines I have so you can compare what the machines are like, but I'm
sure most of the JAWS members, like me, are also blind. Also, out of
curiosity, since I have a copy of Windows 7, is it possible to put it on
more than one machine? Or would I have to get another copy? Or perhaps get a
multimachine license for the same copy I have?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 7:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

You should not be using Windows xp on the internet! Someone could put a key
logger and know everything you type. There are no security updates for xp
and its the wild west out there.

On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 21:05:23 -0400,
Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

[1 <text/plain; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
[2 <text/html; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>] I'm trying that, but it
seems to want to make the Control, Shift and Right Alt keys work together
as a trio. What's up with that, I wonder?

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 2:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

ctrl + shift is supposed to disable alt gr...
On 4/22/2019 2:27 PM, Randy Barnett via Groups.Io wrote:

I found this it may or may not help:

https://www.thewindowsclub.com/how-do-i-enable-or-disable-alt-gr-key-o
n-windows-10-keyboard On 4/22/2019 12:52 PM, Bill White wrote:

ALT GR is for entering characters for other languages.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked to
Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR, which
I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

UNI044A

Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys
under discussion. This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's
not a criticism). Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the
arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the
repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where
they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard. That is,
unless they
have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in which case
you'd have to make certain that's been installed.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 The
psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals,
which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person
cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another. Everybody knows that
this is untrue. . .

~ Bertrand Russell

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...

importing wlm address book to thunderbird?

netbat66
 

hi,
is there a thunderbird add on or something to import the address book from wlm
to tb?
at first i was able to eventually find the wlm export button with the mouse.
but i can't find it now.
with tb 60.6 nothing talks with jaws 2019
all it says is does the first field have name fields with a check box.
and the next button.
from what i found on google there is two windows on this screen and i am
suppose to position each field from the imported file to the correct field of
the tb fields by moveing them up or down.
but none of this talks.
not with jaws,window eyes, n v d a or narrator.
with windows 7
so far i am getting no where.
i manage to do it once but only the name was in the right place. the email
address was in another place.

thanks for info.

Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

John Covici
 

You should not be using Windows xp on the internet! Someone could put
a key logger and know everything you type. There are no security
updates for xp and its the wild west out there.

On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 21:05:23 -0400,
Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

[1 <text/plain; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
[2 <text/html; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
I'm trying that, but it seems to want to make the Control, Shift and Right Alt keys work together as a trio. What's up with that, I wonder?

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 2:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

ctrl + shift is supposed to disable alt gr...
On 4/22/2019 2:27 PM, Randy Barnett via Groups.Io wrote:

I found this it may or may not help:
https://www.thewindowsclub.com/how-do-i-enable-or-disable-alt-gr-key-on-windows-10-keyboard
On 4/22/2019 12:52 PM, Bill White wrote:

ALT GR is for entering characters for other languages.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked to Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR, which I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

UNI044A

Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys under discussion. This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's not a criticism). Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the arrow keys -
quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard. That is, unless they
have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in which case you'd have to make certain that's been installed.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another. Everybody knows that this is
untrue. . .

~ Bertrand Russell

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...