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Re: MS Office Programs Crashing Nearly Every Time I Close them

 

This happened quite a bit primarily with Excel when I was still using Windows 7. Not sure if there is a solution for Window s7, might be a good question to ask Microsoft Accessibility since it usually did not happen to my sighted employees which leads me to believe it has something to do with Jaws running. See what happens if you unload Jaws before you close an application where this often happens. In any case, this is one of the crashes I frequently experienced which I don’t think I ever had under Windows 10.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 10:57 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: MS Office Programs Crashing Nearly Every Time I Close them

 

Hi!

 

I am using JAWS 2019, MS Office 2016 and Windows 7, all latest updates and all 64 bit.  Nearly every time I close any of these programs (e.g., Excel, Outlook, etc.) the program crashes.  And, this happens whether I close the program by alt+F4 or via an alt+spacebar+close action.  Does anyone else have this experience too?  Is there a solution?

 

Thanks,

Richard

Re: extra line breaks

Rick Mladek
 

Hi,

 

Not sure if this is it but go into options and basics. Turn off the menu and control help and try the access key to off, as well. I keep both of these to off and do not get those types announcements.

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jane Withers
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 6:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: extra line breaks

 

With most of my messages in ooutlook, I hear message saying extra line breaks in this message have been removed. Most annoying. How can I remove this reading.

extra line breaks

Jane Withers <pitre4@...>
 

With most of my messages in ooutlook, I hear message saying extra line breaks in this message have been removed. Most annoying. How can I remove this reading.

test

Jane Withers <pitre4@...>
 

test

Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Angel
 


Using ones mouth to accomplish things is by no means a new thing.  When I was a child over 60 years ago, now, people with various physical challenges preventing them from using their hands or their fingers would hold sticks, and paint brushes in their mouths to type, write with pencils, and paint and draw. 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

A mouth stick? Are you serious? I never knew you could use a computer with your mouth. I mean, I've known about voice recognition, if that's what you're thinking of.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 3:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Sticky keys allow my friend who is a quadrapolegic to use her computer with a mouth stick.  She can not hold down multiple keys while pressing another key.
 
Marty
 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys
 
I'm not sure why they have "Sticky Keys" either.
 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 7:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle:
 
In the UK, the RIGHT ALT key, is a combinedALT+CTRL key. Being used to having an ALT on either side of the space bar, I always have a problem using a UK keyboard, because I have to keep remembering to move my right thumb to the left ALT key, in order to perform commands related to the left hand, for example, ALT+F and ALT+W, etc.
 
I would like to meet the idiots, who came up with that idea.
 
The question I have to ask, if two keys are to be combined on one key, then, what is the point of having a feature in Windows called "Sticky Keys".
 
Sincerely:
 
Dave Durber
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys
 
It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked to Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR, which I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?
 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
UNI044A
Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys under discussion.  This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's not a criticism).  Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard.   That is, unless they have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in which case you'd have to make certain that's been installed.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

Re: Please update subject line, now way off of initial topic of "Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys"

Onwardbob
 

Thank you, I was in danger of wearing out my delete key

BOB SOUTAR…ONWARD THRU THE FOG

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 4:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Please update subject line, now way off of initial topic of "Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys"

Hello All,



This subject line has long ceased to have any relevancy. Can the next person picking up the string please give this a new topic/subject line?



Thanks!

Tim Ford





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 4:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys



Sorry if this came across as negative. I didn't mean it that way. privacy is just something that I really don't think people understand right now. Knowledge is power and we are giving it all to profit driven corperations. I don't see that doing us any good.

On 4/25/2019 3:44 PM, Randy wrote:

Well, so being just as bad as the other guy makes it acceptable...
On 4/25/2019 3:41 PM, Dan Longmore wrote:

Cortana can be disabled. Also, Microsoft is no more invasive than Google which tracks so much through your browser.



Dan





From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 10:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys



Hello George:



As much as I need to upgrade to Windows 10, my biggest concern is, that as a person who values his privacy, I do not like the fact that Microsoft are making it more and more difficult to turn off/disable, so many of the spying and tracking features which are attached to Windows 10. The one feature, which most of all I would like to turn off/disable, is the sodding, annoying, interfering feature, Cortana.



If anyone knows how to make it, so that any and all searches I wish to perform on my Windows 10 machine, are restricted to my local machine, then I would be glad to hear from you. I can always use a search engine, such as Google or DuckDuckGo for internet searches.



Sincerely:



Dave Durber



----- Original Message -----

From: G. Gray <mailto:geogray@...>

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 4:32 PM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys



I will weigh in on this, not trying to argue, but I had a windows XP computer I bought in 2004. I used it until December 20, 2018 when it gave up the ghost 14 1/2 years with absolutely NO problems! I used Viper and Firefox to access the web. I used it for 14 years through Vista (which was terrible, windows 8, windows 8.1 and then Windows 7 with absolutely no problems even with no security updates. I like Windows 7 and hope to use it a long time as well. Windows 10 seems to have a lot of issues which of yet are not resolved....just my 2 cents.



George



From: Brian Vogel <mailto:@britechguy>

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 10:21 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys



On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 10:42 AM, John Covici wrote:

Problem is, after support ends you get no security updates, so you will be vulnerable to being hacked.

Indeed, and I was not trying to imply you wouldn't, nor that continuing to use Windows 7 is a good idea.

I have, however, witnessed an awful lot of clinging to dead OSes, and some people are going to do it regardless of how bad an idea it is to do so. But those programs that currently run under Win7 in their current versions will keep doing so for a very, very long time.

It still only makes sense, if one is sticking with a given OS ecosystem, to keep up-to-date with the latest version of that OS as a daily driver.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another. Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

~ Bertrand Russell



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Re: Please update subject line, now way off of initial topic of "Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys"

Randy Barnett
 

I have tried to do that several times in the past and it never sticks... threads here do tend to drift from time to time. Problem is everyone on every computer has to do it...

On 4/25/2019 4:09 PM, Tim Ford wrote:

Hello All,

 

This subject line has long ceased to have any relevancy.  Can the next person picking up the string please give this a new topic/subject line?

 

Thanks!

Tim Ford

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 4:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Sorry if this came across as negative. I didn't mean it that way. privacy is just something that I really don't think people understand right now. Knowledge is power and we are giving it all to profit driven corperations. I don't see that doing us any good.

On 4/25/2019 3:44 PM, Randy wrote:

Well, so being just as bad as the other guy makes it acceptable...
On 4/25/2019 3:41 PM, Dan Longmore wrote:

Cortana can be disabled.  Also, Microsoft is no more  invasive than Google which tracks so much through your browser.

 

Dan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 10:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Hello George:

 

As much as I need to upgrade to Windows 10, my biggest concern is, that as a person who values his privacy, I do not like the fact that Microsoft are making it more and more difficult to turn off/disable, so many of the spying and tracking features which are attached to Windows 10. The one feature, which most of all  I would like to turn off/disable, is the sodding, annoying, interfering feature, Cortana.

 

If anyone knows how to make it, so that any and all searches I wish to perform on my Windows 10 machine, are restricted to my local machine, then I would be glad to hear from you. I can always use a search engine, such as Google or DuckDuckGo for internet searches.

 

Sincerely:

 

Dave Durber

 

----- Original Message -----

From: G. Gray

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 4:32 PM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

I will weigh in on this, not trying to argue, but I had a windows XP computer I bought in 2004.  I used it until December 20, 2018 when it gave up the ghost   14 1/2 years with absolutely NO problems!    I used Viper and Firefox to access the web.  I used it for 14 years through Vista (which was terrible, windows 8, windows 8.1 and then Windows 7 with absolutely no problems even with no security updates.  I like Windows 7 and hope to use it a long time as well.  Windows 10 seems to have a lot of issues which of yet are not resolved....just my 2 cents.

 

George

 

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 10:21 AM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 10:42 AM, John Covici wrote:

Problem is, after support ends you get no security updates, so you will be vulnerable to being hacked.

Indeed, and I was not trying to imply you wouldn't, nor that continuing to use Windows 7 is a good idea.

I have, however, witnessed an awful lot of clinging to dead OSes, and some people are going to do it regardless of how bad an idea it is to do so.  But those programs that currently run under Win7 in their current versions will keep doing so for a very, very long time.

It still only makes sense, if one is sticking with a given OS ecosystem, to keep up-to-date with the latest version of that OS as a daily driver.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com

 

 


Please update subject line, now way off of initial topic of "Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys"

Tim Ford
 

Hello All,

 

This subject line has long ceased to have any relevancy.  Can the next person picking up the string please give this a new topic/subject line?

 

Thanks!

Tim Ford

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 4:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Sorry if this came across as negative. I didn't mean it that way. privacy is just something that I really don't think people understand right now. Knowledge is power and we are giving it all to profit driven corperations. I don't see that doing us any good.

On 4/25/2019 3:44 PM, Randy wrote:

Well, so being just as bad as the other guy makes it acceptable...
On 4/25/2019 3:41 PM, Dan Longmore wrote:

Cortana can be disabled.  Also, Microsoft is no more  invasive than Google which tracks so much through your browser.

 

Dan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 10:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Hello George:

 

As much as I need to upgrade to Windows 10, my biggest concern is, that as a person who values his privacy, I do not like the fact that Microsoft are making it more and more difficult to turn off/disable, so many of the spying and tracking features which are attached to Windows 10. The one feature, which most of all  I would like to turn off/disable, is the sodding, annoying, interfering feature, Cortana.

 

If anyone knows how to make it, so that any and all searches I wish to perform on my Windows 10 machine, are restricted to my local machine, then I would be glad to hear from you. I can always use a search engine, such as Google or DuckDuckGo for internet searches.

 

Sincerely:

 

Dave Durber

 

----- Original Message -----

From: G. Gray

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 4:32 PM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

I will weigh in on this, not trying to argue, but I had a windows XP computer I bought in 2004.  I used it until December 20, 2018 when it gave up the ghost   14 1/2 years with absolutely NO problems!    I used Viper and Firefox to access the web.  I used it for 14 years through Vista (which was terrible, windows 8, windows 8.1 and then Windows 7 with absolutely no problems even with no security updates.  I like Windows 7 and hope to use it a long time as well.  Windows 10 seems to have a lot of issues which of yet are not resolved....just my 2 cents.

 

George

 

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 10:21 AM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 10:42 AM, John Covici wrote:

Problem is, after support ends you get no security updates, so you will be vulnerable to being hacked.

Indeed, and I was not trying to imply you wouldn't, nor that continuing to use Windows 7 is a good idea.

I have, however, witnessed an awful lot of clinging to dead OSes, and some people are going to do it regardless of how bad an idea it is to do so.  But those programs that currently run under Win7 in their current versions will keep doing so for a very, very long time.

It still only makes sense, if one is sticking with a given OS ecosystem, to keep up-to-date with the latest version of that OS as a daily driver.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com

 

 

Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Randy Barnett
 

Very true. But there is alot of data you cant stop. and the laws need to be changed to deal with the modern age.

On 4/25/2019 4:02 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
The fact is that both Microsoft and Google give users the option to opt out of a very great deal of what they collect.  The default is "you're all in," but a quick web search turns up where to go either in one's Microsoft Account, or Google Account, to turn off almost all of it.

In the case of Google, if you're logged in to your Google Account:  https://myaccount.google.com/data-and-personalization

In the case of Microsoft:  https://account.microsoft.com/?ref=MeControl as well as cruising through your Privacy settings on your computer, too.

Companies are going to set defaults to their advantage, and always have.  Individuals should know this by now, and if it concerns them, take the steps to change those settings as close to possible as the way they'd like things as they can.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Randy Barnett
 

Sorry if this came across as negative. I didn't mean it that way. privacy is just something that I really don't think people understand right now. Knowledge is power and we are giving it all to profit driven corperations. I don't see that doing us any good.

On 4/25/2019 3:44 PM, Randy wrote:
Well, so being just as bad as the other guy makes it acceptable...
On 4/25/2019 3:41 PM, Dan Longmore wrote:

Cortana can be disabled.  Also, Microsoft is no more  invasive than Google which tracks so much through your browser.

 

Dan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 10:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Hello George:

 

As much as I need to upgrade to Windows 10, my biggest concern is, that as a person who values his privacy, I do not like the fact that Microsoft are making it more and more difficult to turn off/disable, so many of the spying and tracking features which are attached to Windows 10. The one feature, which most of all  I would like to turn off/disable, is the sodding, annoying, interfering feature, Cortana.

 

If anyone knows how to make it, so that any and all searches I wish to perform on my Windows 10 machine, are restricted to my local machine, then I would be glad to hear from you. I can always use a search engine, such as Google or DuckDuckGo for internet searches.

 

Sincerely:

 

Dave Durber

 

----- Original Message -----

From: G. Gray

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 4:32 PM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

I will weigh in on this, not trying to argue, but I had a windows XP computer I bought in 2004.  I used it until December 20, 2018 when it gave up the ghost   14 1/2 years with absolutely NO problems!    I used Viper and Firefox to access the web.  I used it for 14 years through Vista (which was terrible, windows 8, windows 8.1 and then Windows 7 with absolutely no problems even with no security updates.  I like Windows 7 and hope to use it a long time as well.  Windows 10 seems to have a lot of issues which of yet are not resolved....just my 2 cents.

 

George

 

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 10:21 AM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 10:42 AM, John Covici wrote:

Problem is, after support ends you get no security updates, so you will be vulnerable to being hacked.

Indeed, and I was not trying to imply you wouldn't, nor that continuing to use Windows 7 is a good idea.

I have, however, witnessed an awful lot of clinging to dead OSes, and some people are going to do it regardless of how bad an idea it is to do so.  But those programs that currently run under Win7 in their current versions will keep doing so for a very, very long time.

It still only makes sense, if one is sticking with a given OS ecosystem, to keep up-to-date with the latest version of that OS as a daily driver.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com



Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

The fact is that both Microsoft and Google give users the option to opt out of a very great deal of what they collect.  The default is "you're all in," but a quick web search turns up where to go either in one's Microsoft Account, or Google Account, to turn off almost all of it.

In the case of Google, if you're logged in to your Google Account:  https://myaccount.google.com/data-and-personalization

In the case of Microsoft:  https://account.microsoft.com/?ref=MeControl as well as cruising through your Privacy settings on your computer, too.

Companies are going to set defaults to their advantage, and always have.  Individuals should know this by now, and if it concerns them, take the steps to change those settings as close to possible as the way they'd like things as they can.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Randy Barnett
 

Well, so being just as bad as the other guy makes it acceptable...

On 4/25/2019 3:41 PM, Dan Longmore wrote:

Cortana can be disabled.  Also, Microsoft is no more  invasive than Google which tracks so much through your browser.

 

Dan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 10:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Hello George:

 

As much as I need to upgrade to Windows 10, my biggest concern is, that as a person who values his privacy, I do not like the fact that Microsoft are making it more and more difficult to turn off/disable, so many of the spying and tracking features which are attached to Windows 10. The one feature, which most of all  I would like to turn off/disable, is the sodding, annoying, interfering feature, Cortana.

 

If anyone knows how to make it, so that any and all searches I wish to perform on my Windows 10 machine, are restricted to my local machine, then I would be glad to hear from you. I can always use a search engine, such as Google or DuckDuckGo for internet searches.

 

Sincerely:

 

Dave Durber

 

----- Original Message -----

From: G. Gray

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 4:32 PM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

I will weigh in on this, not trying to argue, but I had a windows XP computer I bought in 2004.  I used it until December 20, 2018 when it gave up the ghost   14 1/2 years with absolutely NO problems!    I used Viper and Firefox to access the web.  I used it for 14 years through Vista (which was terrible, windows 8, windows 8.1 and then Windows 7 with absolutely no problems even with no security updates.  I like Windows 7 and hope to use it a long time as well.  Windows 10 seems to have a lot of issues which of yet are not resolved....just my 2 cents.

 

George

 

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 10:21 AM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 10:42 AM, John Covici wrote:

Problem is, after support ends you get no security updates, so you will be vulnerable to being hacked.

Indeed, and I was not trying to imply you wouldn't, nor that continuing to use Windows 7 is a good idea.

I have, however, witnessed an awful lot of clinging to dead OSes, and some people are going to do it regardless of how bad an idea it is to do so.  But those programs that currently run under Win7 in their current versions will keep doing so for a very, very long time.

It still only makes sense, if one is sticking with a given OS ecosystem, to keep up-to-date with the latest version of that OS as a daily driver.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Dan Longmore
 

Sticky keys can be beneficial in situations and with certain disabilities. 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 10:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Annabelle:

 

In the UK, the RIGHT ALT key, is a combinedALT+CTRL key. Being used to having an ALT on either side of the space bar, I always have a problem using a UK keyboard, because I have to keep remembering to move my right thumb to the left ALT key, in order to perform commands related to the left hand, for example, ALT+F and ALT+W, etc.

 

I would like to meet the idiots, who came up with that idea.

 

The question I have to ask, if two keys are to be combined on one key, then, what is the point of having a feature in Windows called "Sticky Keys".

 

Sincerely:

 

Dave Durber

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 8:13 PM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked to Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR, which I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

UNI044A

Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys under discussion.  This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's not a criticism).  Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard.   That is, unless they have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in which case you'd have to make certain that's been installed.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Dan Longmore
 

Cortana can be disabled.  Also, Microsoft is no more  invasive than Google which tracks so much through your browser.

 

Dan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 10:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

Hello George:

 

As much as I need to upgrade to Windows 10, my biggest concern is, that as a person who values his privacy, I do not like the fact that Microsoft are making it more and more difficult to turn off/disable, so many of the spying and tracking features which are attached to Windows 10. The one feature, which most of all  I would like to turn off/disable, is the sodding, annoying, interfering feature, Cortana.

 

If anyone knows how to make it, so that any and all searches I wish to perform on my Windows 10 machine, are restricted to my local machine, then I would be glad to hear from you. I can always use a search engine, such as Google or DuckDuckGo for internet searches.

 

Sincerely:

 

Dave Durber

 

----- Original Message -----

From: G. Gray

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 4:32 PM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

I will weigh in on this, not trying to argue, but I had a windows XP computer I bought in 2004.  I used it until December 20, 2018 when it gave up the ghost   14 1/2 years with absolutely NO problems!    I used Viper and Firefox to access the web.  I used it for 14 years through Vista (which was terrible, windows 8, windows 8.1 and then Windows 7 with absolutely no problems even with no security updates.  I like Windows 7 and hope to use it a long time as well.  Windows 10 seems to have a lot of issues which of yet are not resolved....just my 2 cents.

 

George

 

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 10:21 AM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 10:42 AM, John Covici wrote:

Problem is, after support ends you get no security updates, so you will be vulnerable to being hacked.

Indeed, and I was not trying to imply you wouldn't, nor that continuing to use Windows 7 is a good idea.

I have, however, witnessed an awful lot of clinging to dead OSes, and some people are going to do it regardless of how bad an idea it is to do so.  But those programs that currently run under Win7 in their current versions will keep doing so for a very, very long time.

It still only makes sense, if one is sticking with a given OS ecosystem, to keep up-to-date with the latest version of that OS as a daily driver.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com

Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Marty Hutchings
 

No,  Not voice recognition.  There really is a device called a mouth stick.  It is held in the teeth for pressing keys on a keyboard.  Voice recognition is not perfect and requires editing occasionally.
 
Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
 

Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys
 
A mouth stick? Are you serious? I never knew you could use a computer with your mouth. I mean, I've known about voice recognition, if that's what you're thinking of.
 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 3:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Sticky keys allow my friend who is a quadrapolegic to use her computer with a mouth stick.  She can not hold down multiple keys while pressing another key.
 
Marty
 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys
 
I'm not sure why they have "Sticky Keys" either.
 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 7:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle:
 
In the UK, the RIGHT ALT key, is a combinedALT+CTRL key. Being used to having an ALT on either side of the space bar, I always have a problem using a UK keyboard, because I have to keep remembering to move my right thumb to the left ALT key, in order to perform commands related to the left hand, for example, ALT+F and ALT+W, etc.
 
I would like to meet the idiots, who came up with that idea.
 
The question I have to ask, if two keys are to be combined on one key, then, what is the point of having a feature in Windows called "Sticky Keys".
 
Sincerely:
 
Dave Durber
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys
 
It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked to Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR, which I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?
 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
UNI044A
Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys under discussion.  This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's not a criticism).  Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard.   That is, unless they have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in which case you'd have to make certain that's been installed.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

Re: MS Office Programs Crashing Nearly Every Time I Close them

Dan Longmore
 

Brian,

  Would like to chat more about your “psychology of adultery” line at the end of your e-mail.  E-mail me if you care to.  All I can say is that our sexualized culture is in the mess it’s in because of lies like that one.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 1:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MS Office Programs Crashing Nearly Every Time I Close them

 

The first thing to do when this sort of thing happens with all programs in a suite is a repair install.


Repair an Office application - Office Support

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 06:19 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
A mouth stick? Are you serious? I never knew you could use a computer with your mouth.
There are lots of individuals who are quadriplegic who access keyboards with mouth sticks.   It's a slow method of direct access, but it remains direct access.  You just hold the stick in your teeth at one end and move it about the keyboard using whatever musculature you have at your disposal from the neck up that permits you to do so.

By comparison to eye-gaze systems it's very low tech, but it tends to be significantly faster as a character-by-character (or selection by selection - depending on context) access method.

This topic has meandered way more than most, and lots of the side loops are interesting, too.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Dan Longmore
 

Hi,

Just what he said.   A missionary whom I knew used the stick to control his computer and allow the speech to speak for him at conferences.  He had ALS. 

Technology is an amazing gift from God.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 6:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

A mouth stick? Are you serious? I never knew you could use a computer with your mouth. I mean, I've known about voice recognition, if that's what you're thinking of.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 3:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Sticky keys allow my friend who is a quadrapolegic to use her computer with a mouth stick.  She can not hold down multiple keys while pressing another key.

 

Marty

 

Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 9:51 AM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

I'm not sure why they have "Sticky Keys" either.

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 7:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle:

 

In the UK, the RIGHT ALT key, is a combinedALT+CTRL key. Being used to having an ALT on either side of the space bar, I always have a problem using a UK keyboard, because I have to keep remembering to move my right thumb to the left ALT key, in order to perform commands related to the left hand, for example, ALT+F and ALT+W, etc.

 

I would like to meet the idiots, who came up with that idea.

 

The question I have to ask, if two keys are to be combined on one key, then, what is the point of having a feature in Windows called "Sticky Keys".

 

Sincerely:

 

Dave Durber

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 8:13 PM

Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked to Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR, which I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

UNI044A

Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys under discussion.  This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's not a criticism).  Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard.   That is, unless they have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in which case you'd have to make certain that's been installed.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle Susan Morison
 


A mouth stick? Are you serious? I never knew you could use a computer with your mouth. I mean, I've known about voice recognition, if that's what you're thinking of.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 3:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Sticky keys allow my friend who is a quadrapolegic to use her computer with a mouth stick.  She can not hold down multiple keys while pressing another key.
 
Marty
 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys
 
I'm not sure why they have "Sticky Keys" either.
 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 7:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle:
 
In the UK, the RIGHT ALT key, is a combinedALT+CTRL key. Being used to having an ALT on either side of the space bar, I always have a problem using a UK keyboard, because I have to keep remembering to move my right thumb to the left ALT key, in order to perform commands related to the left hand, for example, ALT+F and ALT+W, etc.
 
I would like to meet the idiots, who came up with that idea.
 
The question I have to ask, if two keys are to be combined on one key, then, what is the point of having a feature in Windows called "Sticky Keys".
 
Sincerely:
 
Dave Durber
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys
 
It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked to Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR, which I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?
 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
UNI044A
Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys under discussion.  This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's not a criticism).  Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard.   That is, unless they have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in which case you'd have to make certain that's been installed.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Marty Hutchings
 

Sticky keys allow my friend who is a quadrapolegic to use her computer with a mouth stick.  She can not hold down multiple keys while pressing another key.
 
Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
 

Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys
 
I'm not sure why they have "Sticky Keys" either.
 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 7:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle:
 
In the UK, the RIGHT ALT key, is a combinedALT+CTRL key. Being used to having an ALT on either side of the space bar, I always have a problem using a UK keyboard, because I have to keep remembering to move my right thumb to the left ALT key, in order to perform commands related to the left hand, for example, ALT+F and ALT+W, etc.
 
I would like to meet the idiots, who came up with that idea.
 
The question I have to ask, if two keys are to be combined on one key, then, what is the point of having a feature in Windows called "Sticky Keys".
 
Sincerely:
 
Dave Durber
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys
 
It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked to Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR, which I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?
 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
UNI044A
Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys under discussion.  This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's not a criticism).  Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard.   That is, unless they have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in which case you'd have to make certain that's been installed.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell