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Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

When I'm in the Keyboard Manager, what would I look for? How would I assign the Right Alt key to the Left Alt key? Would it change both of them to be just plain "Alt"? I'm confused!



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 12:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Have you looked at the keyboard manager in Jaws? Maybe you could assign the right alt to the left alt also.
On 4/22/2019 4:16 AM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
Hi, it's Annabelle.
When I press Right Alt along with any of the Arrow keys on my keyboard, JAWS seems to say, "Not In a Table". For example, I press Right Alt+Left Arrow to move back a page in programs like Firefox or Microsoft Outlook 2003, and it says "Not In a Table". I press Right Alt+Right Arrow to move forward a page, it says "Not in a table". In Microsoft Word 2003, when I press Right Alt+Up/Down Arrow keys to read sentence-by-sentence, it says "Not In a Table". However, when I press Left Alt+arrow keys, JAWS does what it's supposed to do. How do I make it so JAWS recognizes I'm trying to perform the aforementioned commands, no matter which Alt key I press with the Arrow keys? I mean, aren't the Left and Right Alt keys essentially the same? I'm confused on that one!


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Randy Barnett
 

ctrl + shift is supposed to disable alt gr...

On 4/22/2019 2:27 PM, Randy Barnett via Groups.Io wrote:
I found this it may or may not help:
https://www.thewindowsclub.com/how-do-i-enable-or-disable-alt-gr-key-on-windows-10-keyboard
On 4/22/2019 12:52 PM, Bill White wrote:

ALT GR is for entering characters for other languages.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked to Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR, which I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

UNI044A

Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys under discussion.  This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's not a criticism).  Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard.   That is, unless they have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in which case you'd have to make certain that's been installed.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell



Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Randy Barnett
 

On 4/22/2019 12:52 PM, Bill White wrote:

ALT GR is for entering characters for other languages.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked to Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR, which I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

UNI044A

Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys under discussion.  This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's not a criticism).  Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard.   That is, unless they have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in which case you'd have to make certain that's been installed.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Randy Barnett
 

Will check google when I have some time.
Well I looked at the Keyboard manager and I don't see a way to do this. What about a script that says something like: alt gr = alt?

On 4/22/2019 1:04 PM, Mario wrote:
to expand a bit, from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltGr_key

AltGr (also Alt Graph, or Right Alt is a modifier key
found on some computer keyboards and is primarily used to type
characters that are unusual for the locale of the keyboard layout,
such as currency symbols and accented letters. On a typical,
IBM-compatible PC keyboard, the AltGr key, when present, takes the place
of the right-hand Alt key.



-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, April 22, 2019, 3:52 PM
Subject: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

ALT GR is for entering characters for other languages.

Bill White

<mailto:billwhite92701@...> billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked
to Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR,
which I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?

_____

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian
Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
UNI044A
Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys under
discussion. This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's not a
criticism). Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the
arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the
repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where
they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard. That is,
unless they have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in
which case you'd have to make certain that's been installed.




Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Mario
 

to expand a bit, from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltGr_key

AltGr (also Alt Graph, or Right Alt is a modifier key
found on some computer keyboards and is primarily used to type
characters that are unusual for the locale of the keyboard layout,
such as currency symbols and accented letters. On a typical,
IBM-compatible PC keyboard, the AltGr key, when present, takes the place
of the right-hand Alt key.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, April 22, 2019, 3:52 PM
Subject: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

ALT GR is for entering characters for other languages.

Bill White

<mailto:billwhite92701@...> billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked
to Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR,
which I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?

_____

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian
Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
UNI044A
Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys under
discussion. This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's not a
criticism). Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the
arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the
repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where
they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard. That is,
unless they have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in
which case you'd have to make certain that's been installed.

Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Bill White
 

ALT GR is for entering characters for other languages.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked to Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR, which I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

UNI044A

Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys under discussion.  This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's not a criticism).  Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard.   That is, unless they have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in which case you'd have to make certain that's been installed.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Randy Barnett
 

Have you looked at the keyboard manager in Jaws? Maybe you could assign the right alt to the left alt also.

On 4/22/2019 4:16 AM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
Hi, it's Annabelle.
When I press Right Alt along with any of the Arrow keys on my keyboard, JAWS seems to say, "Not In a Table". For example, I press Right Alt+Left Arrow to move back a page in programs like Firefox or Microsoft Outlook 2003, and it says "Not In a Table". I press Right Alt+Right Arrow to move forward a page, it says "Not in a table". In Microsoft Word 2003, when I press Right Alt+Up/Down Arrow keys to read sentence-by-sentence, it says "Not In a Table". However, when I press Left Alt+arrow keys, JAWS does what it's supposed to do. How do I make it so JAWS recognizes I'm trying to perform the aforementioned commands, no matter which Alt key I press with the Arrow keys? I mean, aren't the Left and Right Alt keys essentially the same? I'm confused on that one!


Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle Susan Morison
 


It didn't come with any software. Just the keyboard. However, I talked to Troy at Unicomp a few minutes ago, and he did tell me about Alt GR, which I'm still a bit confused about. What's Alt GR?



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
UNI044A
Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys under discussion.  This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's not a criticism).  Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard.   That is, unless they have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in which case you'd have to make certain that's been installed.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
UNI044A
Still the same layout as the Ultra Classic with regard to the keys under discussion.  This one is a real throwback design wise (and that's not a criticism).  Really tall keys, nice rake, an actual 6-pack above the arrow keys - quite nice.

It is still very odd that they did not use reflected symmetry for the repeated keys that surround the space bar, but so long as you know where they are, these should work as they do on any other keyboard.   That is, unless they have a custom keyboard driver associated with this model, in which case you'd have to make certain that's been installed.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

The keyboard I have is a Unicomp model UNI044A.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 9:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

I would suggest she should really make sure about this because having the
Windows key next to the spacebar on the right instead of the Alt key would
be a very strange layout and one I have never seen in 30 years of using
computers.
Any keyboard I ever owned had the Alt keys to the left and right of the
spacebar as the very first key, then if it had a right Windows key it would
be next, then the application key and last the Control on the very right
just as it would be the last on the very left across from it with Windows in
the middle and in the case of laptops and some wireless keyboards like the
Logitech K780 an FN key.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 9:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Maybe its alt to the right of the spacebar instead of windows??

On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 11:30:11 -0400,
Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

[1 <text/plain; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
[2 <text/html; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>] The keyboard I have is made
by Unicomp, based in Lexington, Kentucky. On the left side of the
spacebar, from left to right, there's Control, Windows, and Alt. On the
right side of the spacebar, from left to right, there's Windows, Alt,
Applications, and Control. As far as I know, the keyboard layout I'm using
is Desktop, and the keyboard language is set to US.

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 8:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The left and right alt keys may, or may not, be the same depending on your
keyboard.

On every keyboard I've ever seen on a computer produced for the United
States market, ALT is ALT on both sides. For machines produced for the
European market, left ALT has always been ALT, but right ALT is very often
ALT GR, which is
not plain old ALT.

If you happen to have a machine with the ALT GR key in the right ALT
position you may need to use key mapping software like SharpKeys to re-map
ALT GR to straight ALT.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 The
psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which
assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot
co-exist with a serious affection for another. Everybody knows that this is
untrue. . .

~ Bertrand Russell
--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...

Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 11:28 AM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
Unicomp
I can confirm, at least if you have their Ultra Classic model, that the order you have reported is correct and also unusual.

I haven't reviewed their entire line, but would not be surprised if they use this "Unicomp specific" configuration on multiple lines.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 12:44 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Any keyboard I ever owned had the Alt keys to the left and right of the spacebar as the very first key
And I agree about this whether that is straight ALT or an ALT/ALT GR situation.  Either a pair of ALTs or the mixed set is what has appeared immediately to the left and right of the spacebar on any keyboard I have ever seen (if there are two to begin with, and two is the most common arrangement).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

 

I would suggest she should really make sure about this because having the Windows key next to the spacebar on the right instead of the Alt key would be a very strange layout and one I have never seen in 30 years of using computers.
Any keyboard I ever owned had the Alt keys to the left and right of the spacebar as the very first key, then if it had a right Windows key it would be next, then the application key and last the Control on the very right just as it would be the last on the very left across from it with Windows in the middle and in the case of laptops and some wireless keyboards like the Logitech K780 an FN key.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 9:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Maybe its alt to the right of the spacebar instead of windows??

On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 11:30:11 -0400,
Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

[1 <text/plain; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
[2 <text/html; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>] The keyboard I have is made
by Unicomp, based in Lexington, Kentucky. On the left side of the
spacebar, from left to right, there's Control, Windows, and Alt. On the right side of the spacebar, from left to right, there's Windows, Alt, Applications, and Control. As far as I know, the keyboard layout I'm using is Desktop, and the keyboard language is set to US.

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 8:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The left and right alt keys may, or may not, be the same depending on your keyboard.

On every keyboard I've ever seen on a computer produced for the United States market, ALT is ALT on both sides. For machines produced for the European market, left ALT has always been ALT, but right ALT is very often ALT GR, which is
not plain old ALT.

If you happen to have a machine with the ALT GR key in the right ALT position you may need to use key mapping software like SharpKeys to re-map ALT GR to straight ALT.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 The
psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another. Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

~ Bertrand Russell
--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...

Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

No, it's Windows, Alt, Applications, and Control.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 9:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Maybe its alt to the right of the spacebar instead of windows??

On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 11:30:11 -0400,
Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

[1 <text/plain; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
[2 <text/html; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>] The keyboard I have is made
by Unicomp, based in Lexington, Kentucky. On the left side of the
spacebar, from left to right, there's Control, Windows, and Alt. On the
right side of the spacebar, from left to right, there's Windows, Alt,
Applications, and Control. As far as I know, the keyboard layout I'm using
is Desktop, and the keyboard language is set to US.

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 8:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The left and right alt keys may, or may not, be the same depending on your
keyboard.

On every keyboard I've ever seen on a computer produced for the United
States market, ALT is ALT on both sides. For machines produced for the
European market, left ALT has always been ALT, but right ALT is very often
ALT GR, which is
not plain old ALT.

If you happen to have a machine with the ALT GR key in the right ALT
position you may need to use key mapping software like SharpKeys to re-map
ALT GR to straight ALT.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 The
psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which
assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot
co-exist with a serious affection for another. Everybody knows that this is
untrue. . .

~ Bertrand Russell
--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...

Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

John Covici
 

Maybe its alt to the right of the spacebar instead of windows??

On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 11:30:11 -0400,
Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

[1 <text/plain; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
[2 <text/html; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
The keyboard I have is made by Unicomp, based in Lexington, Kentucky. On the left side of the spacebar, from left to right, there's Control, Windows, and Alt. On the right side of the spacebar, from left to right, there's Windows, Alt,
Applications, and Control. As far as I know, the keyboard layout I'm using is Desktop, and the keyboard language is set to US.

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 8:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The left and right alt keys may, or may not, be the same depending on your keyboard.

On every keyboard I've ever seen on a computer produced for the United States market, ALT is ALT on both sides. For machines produced for the European market, left ALT has always been ALT, but right ALT is very often ALT GR, which is
not plain old ALT.

If you happen to have a machine with the ALT GR key in the right ALT position you may need to use key mapping software like SharpKeys to re-map ALT GR to straight ALT.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another. Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

~ Bertrand Russell
--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...

Re: JAWS WITH AN EXTERNAL SOUND CARD #advisory

Dan Longmore
 

Not likely, but very possible as I have seen other drivers and even a Windows file disappear. 

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS WITH AN EXTERNAL SOUND CARD #advisory

 

How can you lose your sound drivers, just by changing the default sound card?  I don’t understand that one.

 

I have never had that happen in Windows 10 and change sound cards a lot.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 20 April 2019 02:50
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS WITH AN EXTERNAL SOUND CARD #advisory

 

Yes, you can. Be advised, however, that while setting another sound card as my default, I have lost my sound drivers, as well as the registry entries associated with my built-in sound card several times, and have needed sighted help to restore both the registry entries and the drivers. So:

 

1. Back up the registry before changing the default sound card.

2. Keep copies of your sound drivers.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 6:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS WITH AN EXTERNAL SOUND CARD #advisory

 

I am about to install JAWS on an Aser laptop with Windows 10 and I want to be able to run a media program like Winamp and not have JAWS speak through the same speakers.  Can I add an external USB sound card that I can plug speakers into for the music media and have JAWS speak through headphones plugged into the laptop's built in jack?  I currently have a Windows 7 desktop with a Sound Blaster card that I play music through while JAWS speaks through the mother board sound jack.

Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

Annabelle Susan Morison
 


The keyboard I have is made by Unicomp, based in Lexington, Kentucky. On the left side of the spacebar, from left to right, there's Control, Windows, and Alt. On the right side of the spacebar, from left to right, there's Windows, Alt, Applications, and Control. As far as I know, the keyboard layout I'm using is Desktop, and the keyboard language is set to US.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 8:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble With Right Alt+Arrow Keys

The left and right alt keys may, or may not, be the same depending on your keyboard.

On every keyboard I've ever seen on a computer produced for the United States market, ALT is ALT on both sides.   For machines produced for the European market, left ALT has always been ALT, but right ALT is very often ALT GR, which is not plain old ALT.

If you happen to have a machine with the ALT GR key in the right ALT position you may need to use key mapping software like SharpKeys to re-map ALT GR to straight ALT.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  
The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

Re: JAWS Becomes Sluggish When Writing Emails in Outlook

Dan Longmore
 

Hi,
Sounds like you got the issue fixed. No, plain text vs HTML should not
make a difference but was trying to eliminate the small stuff first. The
extra air indicates , as has been said, increased CPU load.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 7:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Becomes Sluggish When Writing Emails in Outlook

Dan, I think plain text, but I am not sure. Could that make a difference?
Also, my laptop emits some air from the vents on the side - more than usual
- when it becomes sluggish like this.
On Apr 21, 2019, at 12:06 AM, Dan Longmore <danlongmore44@...>
wrote:

Hi,
This is a tough one. Are you using plain text or HTML to respond? I
cannot think of any Outlook options that may cause this behavior when
typing. Could it be a JAWS setting? Sorry, not much help I know.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 5:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Becomes Sluggish When Writing Emails in Outlook

Hi all,

I use JAWS 2018, Windows 10, Outlook 16. JAWS behaves very sluggishly in
Outlook when crafting messages. I have uninstalled and reinstalled Outlook,
and that has not fixed the issue. I currently write my emails in Notepad and
then copy-paste them which is inconvenient.

Can anyone think of other workarounds? I know that this problem does not
come up for most, but I would nonetheless like to know what you would do in
case you were facing this issue. Thank you so much.

Best,
Rahul



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Rahul Bajaj
Candidate for the BCL
Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018) University of Oxford






Re: JAWS WITH AN EXTERNAL SOUND CARD #advisory

Steve Nutt
 

How can you lose your sound drivers, just by changing the default sound card?  I don’t understand that one.

 

I have never had that happen in Windows 10 and change sound cards a lot.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 20 April 2019 02:50
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS WITH AN EXTERNAL SOUND CARD #advisory

 

Yes, you can. Be advised, however, that while setting another sound card as my default, I have lost my sound drivers, as well as the registry entries associated with my built-in sound card several times, and have needed sighted help to restore both the registry entries and the drivers. So:

 

1. Back up the registry before changing the default sound card.

2. Keep copies of your sound drivers.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 6:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS WITH AN EXTERNAL SOUND CARD #advisory

 

I am about to install JAWS on an Aser laptop with Windows 10 and I want to be able to run a media program like Winamp and not have JAWS speak through the same speakers.  Can I add an external USB sound card that I can plug speakers into for the music media and have JAWS speak through headphones plugged into the laptop's built in jack?  I currently have a Windows 7 desktop with a Sound Blaster card that I play music through while JAWS speaks through the mother board sound jack.

Re: new member.

Bob Hicks
 

Welcome aboard!  Enjoy!

 

Have a great day, 73

 

Bob Hicks, KC8CR

 

Windows 7 and 10 home 64 bit

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of shankar.c@...
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: new member.

 

Hello all, greetings.

This is Shankar, from india.

Thanks to moderator for approving my subscription.