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Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

Bill White
 

Yes, it is, because if you have Show All Icons in System Tray turned off, not all icons show up in JAWS Key plus F11. If you don’t have them show up, and something goes haywire, such as you need the Safely Remove Hardware icon to show up, and it isn’t there, then you must shut down your system to safely remove the inserted hardware.

 

I worked with Mike, and we found out that if Show Badges on Taskbar buttons is turned off, you are able to move System Tray icons by unchecking them, and then checking them again in the reverse order in which you want them to appear in the System Tray. Mike tandemmed into my computer, and was able to confirm that this is possible.

 

Bill White

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 9:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

 

I'm not even sure what the objective is here. When the System Tray is opened with JAWS Key + F11, you can use first-letter navigation to find anything. Is it that critical to have the icons arranged in a certain order if you're using JAWS?

 

On 3/16/2019 10:54 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 10:10 AM, Steve Matzura wrote:

You want to rearrange system tray icons. This is not possible.

That is not technically correct.   I still haven't found a way via the keyboard, even using emulated drag and drop, but it can be done via actual drag and drop.  If something is driving you absolutely mad because it's "too far down the icon parade" on the system tray then if you can get a sighted assistant they can drag it to any position relative to the other displayed icons you wish.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

 

Steve,

          "Critical" is in the eye of the beholder.   Also, a great many people prefer to use a "screen reader agnostic" access method to the system tray, WinKey+B, then right arrow through.

          There are many roads that lead to the proverbial Rome as far as accessing the system tray.   Some people like to be able to impose a display order for the functions that they intentionally keep on permanent display there.

          I have no opinion as to whether it's critical or not, but the information being shared about what's possible, both via keyboard manipulation or requiring a mouse and sight, should be accurate.
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

Steve Matzura
 

I'm not even sure what the objective is here. When the System Tray is opened with JAWS Key + F11, you can use first-letter navigation to find anything. Is it that critical to have the icons arranged in a certain order if you're using JAWS?


On 3/16/2019 10:54 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 10:10 AM, Steve Matzura wrote:
You want to rearrange system tray icons. This is not possible.
That is not technically correct.   I still haven't found a way via the keyboard, even using emulated drag and drop, but it can be done via actual drag and drop.  If something is driving you absolutely mad because it's "too far down the icon parade" on the system tray then if you can get a sighted assistant they can drag it to any position relative to the other displayed icons you wish.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

 

On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 10:10 AM, Steve Matzura wrote:
You want to rearrange system tray icons. This is not possible.
That is not technically correct.   I still haven't found a way via the keyboard, even using emulated drag and drop, but it can be done via actual drag and drop.  If something is driving you absolutely mad because it's "too far down the icon parade" on the system tray then if you can get a sighted assistant they can drag it to any position relative to the other displayed icons you wish.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

Re: Drag and Drop solved.

 

Not that I'm surprised that some don't know certain keyboard commands for JAWS, as there are so many that I don't think anyone has all of them memorized, particularly the desktop and laptop equivalents of each, but I am surprised that it seems that some are not familiar with the JAWS Documentation webpage.   The JAWS Keystrokes "cheat sheet" is always available there for the latest version in three different file formats, along with a lot of other material.

Toward the end of the page is also a link that allows you to find same for earlier versions of JAWS,  Previous JAWS for Windows Downloads page.
You can go all the way back to JAWS 10 using that page.
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

Re: System Tray Icons, How to Rearrange in Windows 10

Steve Matzura
 

You and Mike B have a confusion. You want to rearrange system tray icons. This is not possible. Mike B explained how to arrange taskbar icons. This is absolutely possible, with one caveat: Any new program you run is added to the end of the icon chain appearing on the taskbar. The only thing you can change is the order of icons that are pinned to the taskbar, and the only way to change that order is to unpin everything and pin it back in the desired order. For example, on all my systems, I have browsers pinned to 1, 2,and 3. Then come my media players on 4 and 5. Any program I open will become position 6. If I open a second program and close the first, that program I opened which was at position 7 moves back to 6, and I can't change that because it's not a permanently pinned program.


Hope this helps.

Re: Drag and Drop solved.

Terrie Terlau
 

Mike,

Thank you for this list! Although many of us may use a lot of these commands, there are some in the list that I didin’t know and they will help me tremendously.
Terrie

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 8:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and Drop solved.

 

Hi Takis,

 

I hope this will help those that use laptops without numpads.  Here are the numpad keystrokes for laptops without numpads and the URL for many more keystrokes.
 
https://doccenter.freedomscientific.com/doccenter2/doccenter/rs25c51746a0cc/cursorsjawsmagic/02jawsandmagicreadingcommands.htm
 
Some other keys which may be used include the following:
 
list of 7 items
• Numpad or FORWARD SLASH, left mouse button (laptop users: CAPS LOCK+8)
• ASTERISK, right mouse button (laptop users: CAPS LOCK+9)
• NUM PAD PLUS, PC cursor in most applications, Virtual cursor in HTML and PDF documents (laptop users: CAPS LOCK+SEMICOLON)
• NUM PAD MINUS, JAWS cursor (laptop users: CAPS LOCK+P)
• NUM PAD MINUS twice quickly, Invisible cursor (laptop users: CAPS LOCK+P  twice quickly)
• Route JAWS to PC, INSERT+NUM PAD MINUS (laptop users: CAPS LOCK+LEFT BRACKET)
• Route PC to JAWS, INSERT+NUM PAD PLUS (laptop users: CAPS LOCK+APOSTROPHE)
list end

Take care.  Mike.  Sennt from my iBarstool.
Book: a utensil used to pass time while waiting for the computer repairman!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 1:13 AM

Subject: Re: Drag and Drop solved.

 

Please, can someone give me the equivalent command for a laptop keyboard, I mean the substitute for numpad-slash in this case?

                                                            Thanks,

                                                            Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 9:31 PM
To: JFW Mailing List
Subject: Drag and Drop solved.

 

I was able to connect with Vispero, and found something very interesting. Drag and drop works if one uses the left CONTROL key plus JAWS Key

plus NumPad SLASH. It does not, however, work if the Right CONTROL key is used along with JAWS Key plus NumPad SLASH.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

Re: Drag and Drop solved.

Mike B
 

Hi Takis,
 
I hope this will help those that use laptops without numpads.  Here are the numpad keystrokes for laptops without numpads and the URL for many more keystrokes.
 
https://doccenter.freedomscientific.com/doccenter2/doccenter/rs25c51746a0cc/cursorsjawsmagic/02jawsandmagicreadingcommands.htm
 
Some other keys which may be used include the following:
 
list of 7 items
• Numpad or FORWARD SLASH, left mouse button (laptop users: CAPS LOCK+8)
• ASTERISK, right mouse button (laptop users: CAPS LOCK+9)
• NUM PAD PLUS, PC cursor in most applications, Virtual cursor in HTML and PDF documents (laptop users: CAPS LOCK+SEMICOLON)
• NUM PAD MINUS, JAWS cursor (laptop users: CAPS LOCK+P)
• NUM PAD MINUS twice quickly, Invisible cursor (laptop users: CAPS LOCK+P  twice quickly)
• Route JAWS to PC, INSERT+NUM PAD MINUS (laptop users: CAPS LOCK+LEFT BRACKET)
• Route PC to JAWS, INSERT+NUM PAD PLUS (laptop users: CAPS LOCK+APOSTROPHE)
list end
Take care.  Mike.  Sennt from my iBarstool.
Book: a utensil used to pass time while waiting for the computer repairman!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 1:13 AM
Subject: Re: Drag and Drop solved.

Please, can someone give me the equivalent command for a laptop keyboard, I mean the substitute for numpad-slash in this case?

                                                            Thanks,

                                                            Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 9:31 PM
To: JFW Mailing List
Subject: Drag and Drop solved.

 

I was able to connect with Vispero, and found something very interesting. Drag and drop works if one uses the left CONTROL key plus JAWS Key

plus NumPad SLASH. It does not, however, work if the Right CONTROL key is used along with JAWS Key plus NumPad SLASH.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

Re: Drag and Drop solved.

Panagiotis Antonopoulos
 

Thanks you very much Heather.

                                                            Take care,

                                                            Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Heather Thomas
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 1:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and Drop solved.

 

Hi Pantonop,

Caps lock + number row 8 is the laptop command for left mouse button.

-Heather


On Mar 16, 2019, at 4:13 AM, Panagiotis Antonopoulos <pantonop@...> wrote:

Please, can someone give me the equivalent command for a laptop keyboard, I mean the substitute for numpad-slash in this case?

                                                            Thanks,

                                                            Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 9:31 PM
To: JFW Mailing List
Subject: Drag and Drop solved.

 

I was able to connect with Vispero, and found something very interesting. Drag and drop works if one uses the left CONTROL key plus JAWS Key

plus NumPad SLASH. It does not, however, work if the Right CONTROL key is used along with JAWS Key plus NumPad SLASH.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


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Re: Drag and Drop solved.

Heather Thomas <heather.thomas@...>
 

Hi Pantonop,
Caps lock + number row 8 is the laptop command for left mouse button.
-Heather


On Mar 16, 2019, at 4:13 AM, Panagiotis Antonopoulos <pantonop@...> wrote:

Please, can someone give me the equivalent command for a laptop keyboard, I mean the substitute for numpad-slash in this case?

                                                            Thanks,

                                                            Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 9:31 PM
To: JFW Mailing List
Subject: Drag and Drop solved.

 

I was able to connect with Vispero, and found something very interesting. Drag and drop works if one uses the left CONTROL key plus JAWS Key

plus NumPad SLASH. It does not, however, work if the Right CONTROL key is used along with JAWS Key plus NumPad SLASH.

 

Bill White

 

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Re: Drag and Drop solved.

Panagiotis Antonopoulos
 

Please, can someone give me the equivalent command for a laptop keyboard, I mean the substitute for numpad-slash in this case?

                                                            Thanks,

                                                            Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 9:31 PM
To: JFW Mailing List
Subject: Drag and Drop solved.

 

I was able to connect with Vispero, and found something very interesting. Drag and drop works if one uses the left CONTROL key plus JAWS Key

plus NumPad SLASH. It does not, however, work if the Right CONTROL key is used along with JAWS Key plus NumPad SLASH.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

Re: picture smart

Panagiotis Antonopoulos
 

Hi Don/all,
You simply need to type the letter f thereafter to start the process of recognition.
Kindest regards,
Takis

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 7:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: picture smart

Running latest version of Jaws on a win 10 system. I go to file
explorer and hightlight a .jpg file of a receipt. I hit insert space
bar followed by the letter p and nothing happens to read the image.
What am I doing wrong?

Re: Drag and Drop solved.

Curtis Delzer
 

I am sure glad it is still supported! that really  does mean more than they realize if someone there thought that control-c control-v or control-x control-v is the same thing or just as good, or even similar when it is not at all. :)

On 3/15/2019 12:30 PM, Bill White wrote:

I was able to connect with Vispero, and found something very interesting. Drag and drop works if one uses the left CONTROL key plus JAWS Key

plus NumPad SLASH. It does not, however, work if the Right CONTROL key is used along with JAWS Key plus NumPad SLASH.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

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W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

Where to find the Welcome Theme turn on checkbox?

Peter Tesar
 

Hi,


My Welcome theme sound has been turned off.


I can't remember where to find the check box to turn it on again.

Can anyone help?


Thanks,


Peter T.

Re: sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

 

Orlando,

          The Bookmarks bar is virtually never "complete" if you've got lots of bookmarks.  It has a "more" double arrow button at the end.   I don't find the bookmarks bar to be particularly user friendly for screen reader users.  Using the Bookmarks Manager (which you do invoke via CTRL+SHIFT+O) as your main launch page for your bookmarks tends to be much easier.   I keep a few of my really commonly used bookmarks at the beginning of the bookmarks bar, but in general I rely either on browsing history or Bookmarks manager when I'm taking a deep dive into sites I use infrequently.

          Navigation of the Chrome Bookmarks manager is remarkably similar to File Explorer or any of the Open or Save dialogs where a folder tree is involved, only the folder tree in this case is the various bookmark folders.  When you combine that with the search box at the top, you can usually get to any bookmark folder or actual bookmark very, very quickly.  Once you have focus on it hitting enter opens it in its own tab or window depending on how you have Chrome configured.
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   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

Hi,

One way to find out: have others try replicating this.

As for drag and drop and its supposed relationship to copy and paste: long story short, but in some applications, drag and drop is equivalent to cut, copy, and paste. This will work provided that the destination app (the program you wish to drop items into) supports the item you are trying to “drag” (copy/cut) from the source app. For example, attaching a file to an email composed in Outlook via paste operation will work because Outlook does have internal mechanisms to deal with this kind of activity.

As for a notion that you don’t need to learn about drag and drop: misinformation at best, inaccurate at worst. There are still apps (and mindset of some developers) that will absolutely require mouse operations for common tasks, including drag and drop (I do know for the fact that, in StationPlaylist Studio, you need to use the mouse to rearrange columns in playlist viewer, and I have successfully used a mouse to do it with another screen reader).

As an extension of my argument from above, should users learn the utility of mouse and touchscreens? I think yes at one point or another. At least having a basic knowledge of mouse and touch commands available from a screen reader may help out in certain situations where you may need to use these interaction mediums in the future. For this reason, when I produced a tutorial set for another screen reader (shhh, not here), I have emphasized not just keyboard commands, but also mouse and touch commands too precisely because of the dominant interaction medium in use and ways of dealing with it. If you want to talk about this and rest of this conversation, write to me privately.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 4:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

Ya know, I'm almost positive that's the way it's always been.

 

On 3/15/2019 3:16 PM, Bill White wrote:

Hi, Jaffar. I was able to connect with Vispero, and found something very interesting. Drag and drop works if one uses the left CONTROL key plus JAWS Key plus NumPad SLASH. It does not, however, work if the Right CONTROL key is used along with JAWS Key plus NumPad SLASH.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 10:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

Also, if you are a programmer and use IDES as your programming tool, and if you need a folder source outside of your project to be included, the only way might be to drag that source that you need into your project's window via file explorer and drop it into your project. 

On 3/15/2019 11:25 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 01:04 AM, James Homuth wrote:

In which situations will transferring files and folders between applications not work using copy/paste? Genuinely curious, as that’s how I do it on a daily basis.

James, I have an example, though before I give it I will say that I don't even use drag and drop with sight to do this task, preferring the "New" button option then going out and selecting the files I want via a standard open dialog.

If you are using Google Drive, and create a new folder, in the center of the screen for the empty folder it says, "Drop files here, or use the New button."  You can have File Explorer windows open select files until you're blue in the face and use CTRL+C to copy (or CTRL+X if you intended to cut for a move) but you simply cannot paste on that particular Google Drive dialog.  The only thing that works in that instance is drop.

I can also think of instances where electronic versions of "draw the line from thing in column A to the correct corresponding thing in column B" type tests, that are meant to imitate the paper version of same, only work with drag and drop.  That style has fallen out of favor largely due to accessibility issues with it.

Moving the columns displayed in the inbox (and other folders) in Thunderbird can only be (or at least used to only be, I haven't done this in a while) doable via drag and drop.

Because drag and drop is a fundamental feature of every GUI I've ever used, dropping support for it in any screen reader seems to me to be a very, very ill-thought-out decision.   You may not need to use it often, and I actually use copy/cut and paste way more myself, but there are times when it's the only alternative and, if you're a screen reader user and the screen reader doesn't support it, that cuts accessibility right there. 

 

Re: Rearranging icons on the taskbar.

Curtis Delzer
 

AM I GLAD TO HEAR THIS! Seems to me if the other were true, they'd be doing a step backwards instead of forwards. when I did and do need it, OK, but to have it and then been taken away with a product which costs a thousand bux, no way Jose.

On 3/15/2019 10:20 AM, Mike B wrote:

Hi Chris & All,
 
I'm running Windows 10 Pro Version 1809 (OS Build 17763.379), and drag & drop works just fine with this latest J2019 update.  I only tried it by moving Taskbar icons around since that's all I use drag and drop for.
Take care.  Mike.  Sennt from my iBarstool.
Book: a utensil used to pass time while waiting for the computer repairman!
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: Rearranging icons on the taskbar.

If I‘M reading that right you are running the spring 2017 update.  Might be time to do some updating.  That’s probably why it is still working for you.

CH
> On Mar 15, 2019, at 10:40, Don Mauck <don.mauck@...> wrote:
>
> I don't know why I can do this quite easily and others can't. I'm using Microsoft® Windows® Operating System Version 10.0.17134.1
> Would that make a difference?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Hill <hillco@...>
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 9:22 AM
> To: jfw@groups.io
> Subject: Rearranging icons on the taskbar.
>
> I tried using drag and drop.  Although it made the appropriate noises on my windows 10 computer, it didn't actually work.  If you want to do this the simplest way I can think of, do the following.
> unpin everything from the taskbar by right-clicking or the equivalent on each item and choosing unpin.  Now, open the run box with windows+r and type shell:appsvolder and press enter.  This will open a folder with shortcuts to all your apps.  Do the equivalent of right click and pin any you want on the taskbar in the order in which you want them.
>
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> CH
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HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

sorting bookmarks in Google Chrome

Orlando Enrique Fiol
 

Hi all.

I have migrated all my Internet Explorer favorites to Chrome, moving them out of the Imported from Internet Explorer directory to the Bookmarks Bar. whenever I want to add a bookmark, I only hear a few of the folders I know are there. My list of available bookmark folders is both non alphabetically sorted and incomplete. Most times, there are only three or four folders out of the twenty that appear when I check the Organize Bookmarks dialogue with control+shift+O. What could be going on?
Many thanks,
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Ph.D. in Music Theory
University of Pennsylvania
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and Pedagogue
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Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

Steve Matzura
 

Ya know, I'm almost positive that's the way it's always been.


On 3/15/2019 3:16 PM, Bill White wrote:

Hi, Jaffar. I was able to connect with Vispero, and found something very interesting. Drag and drop works if one uses the left CONTROL key plus JAWS Key plus NumPad SLASH. It does not, however, work if the Right CONTROL key is used along with JAWS Key plus NumPad SLASH.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 10:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

Also, if you are a programmer and use IDES as your programming tool, and if you need a folder source outside of your project to be included, the only way might be to drag that source that you need into your project's window via file explorer and drop it into your project. 

On 3/15/2019 11:25 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 01:04 AM, James Homuth wrote:

In which situations will transferring files and folders between applications not work using copy/paste? Genuinely curious, as that’s how I do it on a daily basis.

James, I have an example, though before I give it I will say that I don't even use drag and drop with sight to do this task, preferring the "New" button option then going out and selecting the files I want via a standard open dialog.

If you are using Google Drive, and create a new folder, in the center of the screen for the empty folder it says, "Drop files here, or use the New button."  You can have File Explorer windows open select files until you're blue in the face and use CTRL+C to copy (or CTRL+X if you intended to cut for a move) but you simply cannot paste on that particular Google Drive dialog.  The only thing that works in that instance is drop.

I can also think of instances where electronic versions of "draw the line from thing in column A to the correct corresponding thing in column B" type tests, that are meant to imitate the paper version of same, only work with drag and drop.  That style has fallen out of favor largely due to accessibility issues with it.

Moving the columns displayed in the inbox (and other folders) in Thunderbird can only be (or at least used to only be, I haven't done this in a while) doable via drag and drop.

Because drag and drop is a fundamental feature of every GUI I've ever used, dropping support for it in any screen reader seems to me to be a very, very ill-thought-out decision.   You may not need to use it often, and I actually use copy/cut and paste way more myself, but there are times when it's the only alternative and, if you're a screen reader user and the screen reader doesn't support it, that cuts accessibility right there. 


sorting book marks in Firefox

Alicia Starner <astarner@...>
 

Hello All,

 

I am using the latest JAWS 2019 with the latest build of Firefox and want to sort my book marks in alphabetical order. I know that I can click on views and then sort by name, but when I do this and reopen Firefox, the book marks are not sorted in alphabetical order any longer. Does anyone know how I can sort book marks in Firefox permanently so that every time I open Firefox my book marks are in alphabetical order?

 

Thanks,

 

Alicia