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moderated Marking text.

Brian D
 

Hi all.

Can anyone tell me, if the beginning and end of a block of text, can be marked using Jaws only? Using Microsoft word.


Many thanks.

Brian.


moderated Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

 

That may work for you, but if I were to follow your advice not knowing that for some of my work applications I need the accessibility display driver I would seriously break my system and I would then have to do a Jaws repair or reinstall to fix it. It is one thing to explain what you do and what works for you, but you should do so with a warning that this may have negative effects for others, the accessibility display driver was used for a long time and while Vispero is trying to get away from it, there is a reason why it's not yet gone or even unchecked by default.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Munawar Bijani
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 1:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

It gets reinstalled during a jaws repair so it's not too bad to get it back. I always get rid of mine on windows 10 and have yet to face an issue.

On Jun 25, 2019, at 12:07 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:

Please don't tell people to uninstall the video accessibility driver, that is very bad advice at this point especially if the accessibility display driver is checked in Settings. If that is the case and you uninstall the video display driver each time your system boots or Jaws restarts it will give you a message that the display driver is missing and while the system may mostly work fine, there are situations where it will not work correctly. I use software, for example, which works only if the accessibility display driver is enabled and in other situations it works better if it is disabled and I use the new so-called GDI or deep level hooking.
In any case, for most people who are just Jaws users and not terribly technically inclined this could have really bad consequences and they would then need tech support to help them fix the problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Munawar
Bijani
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 6:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Hi,

Ok, try getting rid of the Accessibility Driver. You can either turn it off in JAWS Settings Center or uninstall it completely from "Programs and Features".

On 6/24/2019 5:44 PM, John Covici wrote:
For me, the Jaws cursor does nothing in admin mode, it works fine in
regular mode.

On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 17:28:54 -0400,
Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,

I think John is saying JAWS doesn't read automatically with it. Yes
you should still be able to read with the JAWS cursor though.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: 23 June 2019 20:27
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

I just opened Power Shell (Admin) from the Windows + X menu and
typed ipconfig to display my computer's IP configuration and I can
read this with the Jaws cursor.

----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 12:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

I want to be able to use powershell, so I am not sure what you mean,
the only thing I see in properties (using powershell) is one
checkbox to toggle legacy console features. However, my problem
appears in both powershell and regular cmd.

On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 14:52:07 -0400,
Steve Nutt wrote:
You may have to set the command prompt to be legacy instead of
using PowerShell.

You can do this in CMD properties.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: 22 June 2019 19:52
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Hi. At least with version 1809, jfw will not read anything in the
command window if run as administrator. If I virtualize the
window, I see the text, but other wise nothing -- jaws cursor
reads nothing as well. Tech support says its not supported, but
that makes no sense to me and Narrator reads it fine.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

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covici@...







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How do
you spend it?

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moderated Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Munawar Bijani <munawarb@...>
 

It gets reinstalled during a jaws repair so it's not too bad to get it back. I always get rid of mine on windows 10 and have yet to face an issue.

On Jun 25, 2019, at 12:07 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:

Please don't tell people to uninstall the video accessibility driver, that is very bad advice at this point especially if the accessibility display driver is checked in Settings. If that is the case and you uninstall the video display driver each time your system boots or Jaws restarts it will give you a message that the display driver is missing and while the system may mostly work fine, there are situations where it will not work correctly. I use software, for example, which works only if the accessibility display driver is enabled and in other situations it works better if it is disabled and I use the new so-called GDI or deep level hooking.
In any case, for most people who are just Jaws users and not terribly technically inclined this could have really bad consequences and they would then need tech support to help them fix the problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Munawar Bijani
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 6:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Hi,

Ok, try getting rid of the Accessibility Driver. You can either turn it off in JAWS Settings Center or uninstall it completely from "Programs and Features".

On 6/24/2019 5:44 PM, John Covici wrote:
For me, the Jaws cursor does nothing in admin mode, it works fine in
regular mode.

On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 17:28:54 -0400,
Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,

I think John is saying JAWS doesn't read automatically with it. Yes
you should still be able to read with the JAWS cursor though.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: 23 June 2019 20:27
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

I just opened Power Shell (Admin) from the Windows + X menu and typed
ipconfig to display my computer's IP configuration and I can read
this with the Jaws cursor.

----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 12:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

I want to be able to use powershell, so I am not sure what you mean,
the only thing I see in properties (using powershell) is one checkbox
to toggle legacy console features. However, my problem appears in
both powershell and regular cmd.

On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 14:52:07 -0400,
Steve Nutt wrote:
You may have to set the command prompt to be legacy instead of using
PowerShell.

You can do this in CMD properties.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: 22 June 2019 19:52
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Hi. At least with version 1809, jfw will not read anything in the
command window if run as administrator. If I virtualize the window,
I see the text, but other wise nothing -- jaws cursor reads nothing
as well. Tech support says its not supported, but that makes no
sense to me and Narrator reads it fine.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...







--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

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covici@...















moderated Re: UIA?

inamuddin khan
 

Can anyone let me know that how to turn UIA on and off?

 

 

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At the end you ignore Her everything  and click I agree button.

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From: Bill White
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 8:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: UIA?

 

UIA (User Interface Automation is how JAWS receives and reports information

you may need to know, such as, when things change on the screen. If you turn

it off, most likely you will miss changes that you need to be aware of, as

well as notifications that may be annoying to you.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne

Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 8:02 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: UIA?

 

What is the significance of UIA in Office 2016?  I turned it off, and

I no longer get the annoying "1 out of xx" messages when in a series

of instructions.  Will I lose other more important information by

leaving UIA unchecked?  What the heck is it, anyway?

 

Thx.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: Jaws Not Speaking in MS Word

The Iowa Gal <iowagal728@...>
 

I wonder if a system restore might help your situation…

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Meyer
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 8:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws Not Speaking in MS Word

 

Suddenly Jaws stopped working correctly in MS Word and now in Outlook as well.

 

It will not speak when moving by line, word, or character.  Insert down arrow does seem to read the document, but obviously I am not able to edit a document with it not speaking by line, word, or character.  I am running the latest version of Jaws and windows 10 pro.  I have had this happen occasionally in the past, but a restart of Jaws or the computer has always solved the issue until tonight.

 

Does anyone have any thoughts?

 

Randy Meyer


moderated Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

 

Please don't tell people to uninstall the video accessibility driver, that is very bad advice at this point especially if the accessibility display driver is checked in Settings. If that is the case and you uninstall the video display driver each time your system boots or Jaws restarts it will give you a message that the display driver is missing and while the system may mostly work fine, there are situations where it will not work correctly. I use software, for example, which works only if the accessibility display driver is enabled and in other situations it works better if it is disabled and I use the new so-called GDI or deep level hooking.
In any case, for most people who are just Jaws users and not terribly technically inclined this could have really bad consequences and they would then need tech support to help them fix the problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Munawar Bijani
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 6:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Hi,

Ok, try getting rid of the Accessibility Driver. You can either turn it off in JAWS Settings Center or uninstall it completely from "Programs and Features".

On 6/24/2019 5:44 PM, John Covici wrote:
For me, the Jaws cursor does nothing in admin mode, it works fine in
regular mode.

On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 17:28:54 -0400,
Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,

I think John is saying JAWS doesn't read automatically with it. Yes
you should still be able to read with the JAWS cursor though.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: 23 June 2019 20:27
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

I just opened Power Shell (Admin) from the Windows + X menu and typed
ipconfig to display my computer's IP configuration and I can read
this with the Jaws cursor.

----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 12:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

I want to be able to use powershell, so I am not sure what you mean,
the only thing I see in properties (using powershell) is one checkbox
to toggle legacy console features. However, my problem appears in
both powershell and regular cmd.

On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 14:52:07 -0400,
Steve Nutt wrote:
You may have to set the command prompt to be legacy instead of using
PowerShell.

You can do this in CMD properties.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: 22 June 2019 19:52
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Hi. At least with version 1809, jfw will not read anything in the
command window if run as administrator. If I virtualize the window,
I see the text, but other wise nothing -- jaws cursor reads nothing
as well. Tech support says its not supported, but that makes no
sense to me and Narrator reads it fine.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...







--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...











moderated Re: UIA?

Bill White
 

UIA (User Interface Automation is how JAWS receives and reports information
you may need to know, such as, when things change on the screen. If you turn
it off, most likely you will miss changes that you need to be aware of, as
well as notifications that may be annoying to you.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 8:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: UIA?

What is the significance of UIA in Office 2016? I turned it off, and
I no longer get the annoying "1 out of xx" messages when in a series
of instructions. Will I lose other more important information by
leaving UIA unchecked? What the heck is it, anyway?

Thx.


moderated UIA?

Ann Byrne
 

What is the significance of UIA in Office 2016? I turned it off, and I no longer get the annoying "1 out of xx" messages when in a series of instructions. Will I lose other more important information by leaving UIA unchecked? What the heck is it, anyway?

Thx.


moderated Jaws Not Speaking in MS Word

Randy Meyer
 

Suddenly Jaws stopped working correctly in MS Word and now in Outlook as well.

 

It will not speak when moving by line, word, or character.  Insert down arrow does seem to read the document, but obviously I am not able to edit a document with it not speaking by line, word, or character.  I am running the latest version of Jaws and windows 10 pro.  I have had this happen occasionally in the past, but a restart of Jaws or the computer has always solved the issue until tonight.

 

Does anyone have any thoughts?

 

Randy Meyer


moderated Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Munawar Bijani <munawarb@...>
 

Hi,

Ok, try getting rid of the Accessibility Driver. You can either turn it off in JAWS Settings Center or uninstall it completely from "Programs and Features".

On 6/24/2019 5:44 PM, John Covici wrote:
For me, the Jaws cursor does nothing in admin mode, it works fine in
regular mode.

On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 17:28:54 -0400,
Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,

I think John is saying JAWS doesn't read automatically with it. Yes you
should still be able to read with the JAWS cursor though.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: 23 June 2019 20:27
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

I just opened Power Shell (Admin) from the Windows + X menu and typed
ipconfig to display my computer's IP configuration and I can read this with
the Jaws cursor.

----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 12:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

I want to be able to use powershell, so I am not sure what you mean, the
only thing I see in properties (using powershell) is one checkbox to toggle
legacy console features. However, my problem appears in both powershell and
regular cmd.

On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 14:52:07 -0400,
Steve Nutt wrote:
You may have to set the command prompt to be legacy instead of using
PowerShell.

You can do this in CMD properties.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: 22 June 2019 19:52
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Hi. At least with version 1809, jfw will not read anything in the
command window if run as administrator. If I virtualize the window, I
see the text, but other wise nothing -- jaws cursor reads nothing as
well. Tech support says its not supported, but that makes no sense to
me and Narrator reads it fine.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...







--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...











moderated Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

John Covici
 

For me, the Jaws cursor does nothing in admin mode, it works fine in
regular mode.

On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 17:28:54 -0400,
Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi,

I think John is saying JAWS doesn't read automatically with it. Yes you
should still be able to read with the JAWS cursor though.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: 23 June 2019 20:27
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

I just opened Power Shell (Admin) from the Windows + X menu and typed
ipconfig to display my computer's IP configuration and I can read this with
the Jaws cursor.

----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 12:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

I want to be able to use powershell, so I am not sure what you mean, the
only thing I see in properties (using powershell) is one checkbox to toggle
legacy console features. However, my problem appears in both powershell and
regular cmd.

On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 14:52:07 -0400,
Steve Nutt wrote:

You may have to set the command prompt to be legacy instead of using
PowerShell.

You can do this in CMD properties.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: 22 June 2019 19:52
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Hi. At least with version 1809, jfw will not read anything in the
command window if run as administrator. If I virtualize the window, I
see the text, but other wise nothing -- jaws cursor reads nothing as
well. Tech support says its not supported, but that makes no sense to
me and Narrator reads it fine.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...







--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...










--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

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covici@...


moderated Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

If it's long, just write it to a file.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: 23 June 2019 21:30
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

It will, but you might not want to listen to it like that, especially if the output is long. I know I don't. The JAWS cursor gives finer control over the output.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Munawar Bijani
Sent: June 23, 2019 4:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

You shouldn't have to use the JAWS Cursor; JAWS will read it automatically.

On 6/23/2019 3:27 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I just opened Power Shell (Admin) from the Windows + X menu and typed ipconfig to display my computer's IP configuration and I can read this with the Jaws cursor.

----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 12:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

I want to be able to use powershell, so I am not sure what you mean, the only thing I see in properties (using powershell) is one checkbox to toggle legacy console features. However, my problem appears in both powershell and regular cmd.

On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 14:52:07 -0400,
Steve Nutt wrote:
You may have to set the command prompt to be legacy instead of using
PowerShell.

You can do this in CMD properties.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: 22 June 2019 19:52
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Hi. At least with version 1809, jfw will not read anything in the
command window if run as administrator. If I virtualize the window,
I see the text, but other wise nothing -- jaws cursor reads nothing
as well. Tech support says its not supported, but that makes no
sense to me and Narrator reads it fine.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...







--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...






moderated Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

I think John is saying JAWS doesn't read automatically with it. Yes you
should still be able to read with the JAWS cursor though.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: 23 June 2019 20:27
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

I just opened Power Shell (Admin) from the Windows + X menu and typed
ipconfig to display my computer's IP configuration and I can read this with
the Jaws cursor.

----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 12:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

I want to be able to use powershell, so I am not sure what you mean, the
only thing I see in properties (using powershell) is one checkbox to toggle
legacy console features. However, my problem appears in both powershell and
regular cmd.

On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 14:52:07 -0400,
Steve Nutt wrote:

You may have to set the command prompt to be legacy instead of using
PowerShell.

You can do this in CMD properties.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: 22 June 2019 19:52
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Hi. At least with version 1809, jfw will not read anything in the
command window if run as administrator. If I virtualize the window, I
see the text, but other wise nothing -- jaws cursor reads nothing as
well. Tech support says its not supported, but that makes no sense to
me and Narrator reads it fine.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...







--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...


moderated Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

Randy Barnett
 

    I build, repair and tweak PC's going on 26 years now. I have been using Jaws the entire time. I have never had your experience unless there was a software or hardware issue. I run the latest version of jaws at all times and have never had 2019 do as you describe. I am in no way saying it isn't happening. I am saying it is caused by a real software or hardware issue. Some hardware issues are insanely hard to diagnose and some are actually impossible without a lab.
The fact that Jaws 14 is stable and 2019 is not is interesting though.
Try uninstalling Jaws 14 and 2019 and all their  folders and files. Use NVDA to do this. When you are sure all traces of Jaws are gone restart and install Jaws 2019. Let us know what happens either way.

On 6/24/2019 5:57 AM, James Homuth wrote:

I do this for a living. Trust me, my PC is very stable. Also I did say I can do the exact same things with JAWS 14 and the software doesn’t crash. JAWS has been repaired, uninstalled, reinstalled, upgraded, then reinstalled again just for amusement. To fix another issue the OS was reinstalled not all that long ago. Trust me. It’s not the PC.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

That's the strangest claim I've ever heard.  I suspect your pc is unstable, you might want to start with a check of the hard drive using chkdsk.  If that passes, scan it for viruses and malware then reinstall jaws if none of that helps. 

 

 

On 6/24/2019 05:46, James Homuth wrote:

Here’s the situation. My PC is not as fast as it could be. It’s also going to be replaced just as soon as I have the financial room to do it. But it’s not unstable, by any means—just sometimes it likes to take a couple seconds longer than it should to do certain things. The problem is, and I notice this fairly consistently, JAWS likes to assume it’s the problem when my PC does that, and so will kill itself, try and restart, and basically throw me off of whatever I’m working on. I was right in the middle of reading something tonight, the backup process kicked in, and JAWS committed suicide. Keep in mind, JAWS was perfectly stable. My system was perfectly stable. Just the CPU had run up above 50% for a few minutes.

 

I’d stuck with 14 for as long as I did because of that “feature” (for those with them disabled, the word “feature” is in quotes), but the list of currently available programs that 14 will still actually work with gets shorter on the daily. So I upgraded. Admittedly mostly for Office 365 (my work uses Exchange, and the newer versions of Exchange don’t work with Outlook 2003), but being perfectly honest the ability to use things like Chrome doesn’t hurt either.

 

My question: have they invented a way yet to tell JAWS not to have such an inferiority complex? I mean I get it—2019 isn’t exactly a bug free release, but the biggest reason if you’re me for JAWS taking a dive isn’t because it’s having a problem, but because it’s assuming it’s having a problem. It makes finding the actual problem slightly more annoying than it needs to be—I do have NVDA on here, but by the time I get that loaded whatever hung the system and tripped JAWS up has stopped hanging the system and JAWS has tripped for nothing. Any suggestions, or are we stuck waiting to see if FS realises that not every issue can be solved by restarting the program, particularly when the program being restarted isn’t the issue in the first place?



moderated Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

JM Casey
 

Yeah, I don't believe that was the question, either, at least not exactly.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: June 23, 2019 11:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

That is not how I understood it. I know this may not be the original
message, but at one point he said :

At least with version 1809, jfw will not read anything in the command window
if run as administrator.
If I virtualize the window, I see the text, but other wise nothing -- jaws
cursor reads nothing

He says "Jaws cursor reads nothing" and that is not my experience or that
of many others.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Munawar Bijani
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 3:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

The original question was why isn't it reading it automatically...

On Jun 23, 2019, at 4:29 PM, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:

It will, but you might not want to listen to it like that, especially if
the output is long. I know I don't. The JAWS cursor gives finer control over
the output.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Munawar
Bijani
Sent: June 23, 2019 4:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

You shouldn't have to use the JAWS Cursor; JAWS will read it
automatically.

On 6/23/2019 3:27 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I just opened Power Shell (Admin) from the Windows + X menu and typed
ipconfig to display my computer's IP configuration and I can read this with
the Jaws cursor.

----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 12:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

I want to be able to use powershell, so I am not sure what you mean, the
only thing I see in properties (using powershell) is one checkbox to toggle
legacy console features. However, my problem appears in both powershell and
regular cmd.

On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 14:52:07 -0400,
Steve Nutt wrote:
You may have to set the command prompt to be legacy instead of using
PowerShell.

You can do this in CMD properties.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: 22 June 2019 19:52
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Hi. At least with version 1809, jfw will not read anything in the
command window if run as administrator. If I virtualize the window,
I see the text, but other wise nothing -- jaws cursor reads nothing
as well. Tech support says its not supported, but that makes no
sense to me and Narrator reads it fine.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

--
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How do
you spend it?

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moderated Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

ratshtron
 

hmmm, I am running windows 7 32bit with a
pentium(r) dual-core cpu e5200 2.50 processor
with 2.0 gb of ram and I have never hadJAWS
restart on this system. I have had other problems but not that.


Legend has it that on Monday 6/24/2019 10:46 AM, Chris Hill said:
----------------------------------------
Still not buying the jaws restarting because the
machine is slow. I suspect you are having some
other problem, but then again, I have not tried
running jaws 2019 on a slow of a processor as
that one is. I’d either chuck it or reformat it.
Some things aren’t worth the diagnostic time
required to figure out what the real problem
is. I’d back the thing up, put a fresh copy
of windows on it and see if it works right. If
it doesn’t, at least you’d know you did all you could do.





On Jun 24, 2019, at 10:39, James Homuth
<<mailto:james@...>james@...> wrote:

Yeah, see, I’ve done that with this machine
and it’s looked at me like okay, what else
you got? That’s how I know it’s not the PC.
I’ve also run VM’s on here with Exchange,
SQL server and the like for school, and the
thing wasn’t even breathing hard. You’re
trying to tell me it can run a Windows Server
2012 VM with resource-hungry Exchange, but it
can’t run latest JAWS? I’m not buying. LOL

From:
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
<<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 10:36 AM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to
tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?




Sad. You really have to watch laptop
processors. I bought a "gaming" laptop that is
about a year and a half old with a 7th
generation core i5, and it is barely faster
than this 5.5 year old desktop with an
i5-4430. If you want to keep a laptop a long
time, buy the fastest processor available at that time.



I don't really think being logged into multiple
servers is going to push a processor all that
hard. Running ocr on a big batch job or using
something to make the audio level consistent on
a huge batch of mp3 files will really push a system.




On 6/24/2019 09:23, James Homuth wrote:
Eh. It’s just about 4 years old. I’ve had
desktops acting as servers that have lasted
longer (last one was 8 before the motherboard
finally gave it up). It lets me log into
multiple servers at once and doesn’t choke,
which is probably a good benchmark for
anything. At any given point the only casualty
is JAWS, and only versions of JAWS that auto
restart. Hand me a version that doesn’t have
the auto restart functionality and it’ll run like a champ.

From:
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io><main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 10:19 AM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to
tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?






Well, it is getting on in years. I'm guessing
it is in a laptop since my i5-4430 desktop is
about three times faster even though it is a
generation older. Unfortunately, buying a
laptop often means you get a nice looking box with a slow processor in it.




On 6/24/2019 09:01, James Homuth wrote:
Core i5-5200U at 2.20 GHZ. Pair that with 8 GB
of RAM. It’s not screaming, but it takes a lot to make this machine sweat.

From:
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io><main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 9:37 AM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to
tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?


Very interesting. How slow is this
computer? What processor are we talking about here?




On 6/24/2019 07:57, James Homuth wrote:
I do this for a living. Trust me, my PC is very
stable. Also I did say I can do the exact same
things with JAWS 14 and the software doesn’t
crash. JAWS has been repaired, uninstalled,
reinstalled, upgraded, then reinstalled again
just for amusement. To fix another issue the OS
was reinstalled not all that long ago. Trust me. It’s not the PC.

From:
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io><main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 7:33 AM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to
tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?


That's the strangest claim I've ever heard. I
suspect your pc is unstable, you might want to
start with a check of the hard drive using
chkdsk. If that passes, scan it for viruses
and malware then reinstall jaws if none of that helps.




On 6/24/2019 05:46, James Homuth wrote:
Here’s the situation. My PC is not as fast as
it could be. It’s also going to be replaced
just as soon as I have the financial room to do
it. But it’s not unstable, by any means—just
sometimes it likes to take a couple secondds
longer than it should to do certain things. The
problem is, and I notice this fairly
consistently, JAWS likes to assume it’s the
problem when my PC does that, and so will kill
itself, try and restart, and basically throw me
off of whatever I’m working on. I was right
in the middle of reading something tonight, the
backup process kicked in, and JAWS committed
suicide. Keep in mind, JAWS was perfectly
stable. My system was perfectly stable. Just
the CPU had run up above 50% for a few minutes.

I’d stuck with 14 for as long as I did
because of that “featureâ€&#65533; (for those with
them disabled, the word “featureâ€&#65533; is in
quotes), but the list of currently available
programs that 14 will still actually work with
gets shorter on the daily. So I upgraded.
Admittedly mostly for Office 365 (my work uses
Exchange, and the newer versions of Exchange
don’t work with Outlook 2003), but being
perfectly honest the ability to use things like Chrome doesn’t hurt either.

My question: have they invented a way yet to
tell JAWS not to have such an inferiority
complex? I mean I get it—2019 isn ™t exactly
a bug free release, but the biggest reason if
you’re me for JAWS taking a dive isn’t
because it’s having a problem, but because
it’s assuming it’s having a problem. It
makes finding the actual problem slightly more
annoying than it needs to be—I do have NVDA
on here, but by the time I get that loaded
whatever hung the system and tripped JAWS up
has stopped hanging the system and JAWS has
tripped for nothing. Any suggestions, or are we
stuck waiting to see if FS realises that not
every issue can be solved by restarting the
program, particularly when the program being
restarted isn’t the issue in the first place?
----------------------------------------


moderated Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

Chris Hill
 

Well, it sounds to me like other people are running slower hardware without your issue.  I'd be looking at hardware diagnostics and I'd check things like the video driver. 


Good luck.


CH



On 6/24/2019 10:57, James Homuth wrote:

You must have missed the part of the thread where I said I did that already to fix another issue.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 11:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

Still not buying the jaws restarting because the machine is slow.  I suspect you are having some other problem, but then again, I have not tried running jaws 2019 on a slow of a processor as that one is.  I’d either chuck it or reformat it.

Some things aren’t worth the diagnostic time required to figure out what the real problem is.  I’d back the thing up, put a fresh copy of windows on it and see if it works right.  If it doesn’t, at least you’d know you did all you could do.

 

 

 


On Jun 24, 2019, at 10:39, James Homuth <james@...> wrote:

Yeah, see, I’ve done that with this machine and it’s looked at me like okay, what else you got? That’s how I know it’s not the PC. I’ve also run VM’s on here with Exchange, SQL server and the like for school, and the thing wasn’t even breathing hard. You’re trying to tell me it can run a Windows Server 2012 VM with resource-hungry Exchange, but it can’t run latest JAWS? I’m not buying. LOL

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 10:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

 

Sad.  You really have to watch laptop processors.  I bought a "gaming" laptop that is about a year and a half old with a 7th generation core i5, and it is barely faster than this 5.5 year old desktop with an i5-4430.  If you want to keep a laptop a long time, buy the fastest processor available at that time. 

 

I don't really think being logged into multiple servers is going to push a processor all that hard.  Running ocr on a big batch job or using something to make the audio level consistent on a huge batch of mp3 files will really push a system.

 

 

On 6/24/2019 09:23, James Homuth wrote:

Eh. It’s just about 4 years old. I’ve had desktops acting as servers that have lasted longer (last one was 8 before the motherboard finally gave it up). It lets me log into multiple servers at once and doesn’t choke, which is probably a good benchmark for anything. At any given point the only casualty is JAWS, and only versions of JAWS that auto restart. Hand me a version that doesn’t have the auto restart functionality and it’ll run like a champ.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 10:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

 

 

Well, it is getting on in years.  I'm guessing it is in a laptop since my i5-4430 desktop is about three times faster even though it is a generation older.  Unfortunately, buying a laptop often means you get a nice looking box with a slow processor in it.

 

 

On 6/24/2019 09:01, James Homuth wrote:

Core i5-5200U at 2.20 GHZ. Pair that with 8 GB of RAM. It’s not screaming, but it takes a lot to make this machine sweat.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 9:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

Very interesting.  How slow is this computer?  What processor are we talking about here?

 

 

On 6/24/2019 07:57, James Homuth wrote:

I do this for a living. Trust me, my PC is very stable. Also I did say I can do the exact same things with JAWS 14 and the software doesn’t crash. JAWS has been repaired, uninstalled, reinstalled, upgraded, then reinstalled again just for amusement. To fix another issue the OS was reinstalled not all that long ago. Trust me. It’s not the PC.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

That's the strangest claim I've ever heard.  I suspect your pc is unstable, you might want to start with a check of the hard drive using chkdsk.  If that passes, scan it for viruses and malware then reinstall jaws if none of that helps. 

 

 

On 6/24/2019 05:46, James Homuth wrote:

Here’s the situation. My PC is not as fast as it could be. It’s also going to be replaced just as soon as I have the financial room to do it. But it’s not unstable, by any means—just sometimes it likes to take a couple seconds longer than it should to do certain things. The problem is, and I notice this fairly consistently, JAWS likes to assume it’s the problem when my PC does that, and so will kill itself, try and restart, and basically throw me off of whatever I’m working on. I was right in the middle of reading something tonight, the backup process kicked in, and JAWS committed suicide. Keep in mind, JAWS was perfectly stable. My system was perfectly stable. Just the CPU had run up above 50% for a few minutes.

 

I’d stuck with 14 for as long as I did because of that “feature” (for those with them disabled, the word “feature” is in quotes), but the list of currently available programs that 14 will still actually work with gets shorter on the daily. So I upgraded. Admittedly mostly for Office 365 (my work uses Exchange, and the newer versions of Exchange don’t work with Outlook 2003), but being perfectly honest the ability to use things like Chrome doesn’t hurt either.

 

My question: have they invented a way yet to tell JAWS not to have such an inferiority complex? I mean I get it—2019 isn’t exactly a bug free release, but the biggest reason if you’re me for JAWS taking a dive isn’t because it’s having a problem, but because it’s assuming it’s having a problem. It makes finding the actual problem slightly more annoying than it needs to be—I do have NVDA on here, but by the time I get that loaded whatever hung the system and tripped JAWS up has stopped hanging the system and JAWS has tripped for nothing. Any suggestions, or are we stuck waiting to see if FS realises that not every issue can be solved by restarting the program, particularly when the program being restarted isn’t the issue in the first place?


moderated Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

James Homuth
 

You must have missed the part of the thread where I said I did that already to fix another issue.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 11:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

Still not buying the jaws restarting because the machine is slow.  I suspect you are having some other problem, but then again, I have not tried running jaws 2019 on a slow of a processor as that one is.  I’d either chuck it or reformat it.

Some things aren’t worth the diagnostic time required to figure out what the real problem is.  I’d back the thing up, put a fresh copy of windows on it and see if it works right.  If it doesn’t, at least you’d know you did all you could do.

 

 

 


On Jun 24, 2019, at 10:39, James Homuth <james@...> wrote:

Yeah, see, I’ve done that with this machine and it’s looked at me like okay, what else you got? That’s how I know it’s not the PC. I’ve also run VM’s on here with Exchange, SQL server and the like for school, and the thing wasn’t even breathing hard. You’re trying to tell me it can run a Windows Server 2012 VM with resource-hungry Exchange, but it can’t run latest JAWS? I’m not buying. LOL

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 10:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

 

Sad.  You really have to watch laptop processors.  I bought a "gaming" laptop that is about a year and a half old with a 7th generation core i5, and it is barely faster than this 5.5 year old desktop with an i5-4430.  If you want to keep a laptop a long time, buy the fastest processor available at that time. 

 

I don't really think being logged into multiple servers is going to push a processor all that hard.  Running ocr on a big batch job or using something to make the audio level consistent on a huge batch of mp3 files will really push a system.

 

 

On 6/24/2019 09:23, James Homuth wrote:

Eh. It’s just about 4 years old. I’ve had desktops acting as servers that have lasted longer (last one was 8 before the motherboard finally gave it up). It lets me log into multiple servers at once and doesn’t choke, which is probably a good benchmark for anything. At any given point the only casualty is JAWS, and only versions of JAWS that auto restart. Hand me a version that doesn’t have the auto restart functionality and it’ll run like a champ.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 10:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

 

 

Well, it is getting on in years.  I'm guessing it is in a laptop since my i5-4430 desktop is about three times faster even though it is a generation older.  Unfortunately, buying a laptop often means you get a nice looking box with a slow processor in it.

 

 

On 6/24/2019 09:01, James Homuth wrote:

Core i5-5200U at 2.20 GHZ. Pair that with 8 GB of RAM. It’s not screaming, but it takes a lot to make this machine sweat.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 9:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

Very interesting.  How slow is this computer?  What processor are we talking about here?

 

 

On 6/24/2019 07:57, James Homuth wrote:

I do this for a living. Trust me, my PC is very stable. Also I did say I can do the exact same things with JAWS 14 and the software doesn’t crash. JAWS has been repaired, uninstalled, reinstalled, upgraded, then reinstalled again just for amusement. To fix another issue the OS was reinstalled not all that long ago. Trust me. It’s not the PC.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

That's the strangest claim I've ever heard.  I suspect your pc is unstable, you might want to start with a check of the hard drive using chkdsk.  If that passes, scan it for viruses and malware then reinstall jaws if none of that helps. 

 

 

On 6/24/2019 05:46, James Homuth wrote:

Here’s the situation. My PC is not as fast as it could be. It’s also going to be replaced just as soon as I have the financial room to do it. But it’s not unstable, by any means—just sometimes it likes to take a couple seconds longer than it should to do certain things. The problem is, and I notice this fairly consistently, JAWS likes to assume it’s the problem when my PC does that, and so will kill itself, try and restart, and basically throw me off of whatever I’m working on. I was right in the middle of reading something tonight, the backup process kicked in, and JAWS committed suicide. Keep in mind, JAWS was perfectly stable. My system was perfectly stable. Just the CPU had run up above 50% for a few minutes.

 

I’d stuck with 14 for as long as I did because of that “feature” (for those with them disabled, the word “feature” is in quotes), but the list of currently available programs that 14 will still actually work with gets shorter on the daily. So I upgraded. Admittedly mostly for Office 365 (my work uses Exchange, and the newer versions of Exchange don’t work with Outlook 2003), but being perfectly honest the ability to use things like Chrome doesn’t hurt either.

 

My question: have they invented a way yet to tell JAWS not to have such an inferiority complex? I mean I get it—2019 isn’t exactly a bug free release, but the biggest reason if you’re me for JAWS taking a dive isn’t because it’s having a problem, but because it’s assuming it’s having a problem. It makes finding the actual problem slightly more annoying than it needs to be—I do have NVDA on here, but by the time I get that loaded whatever hung the system and tripped JAWS up has stopped hanging the system and JAWS has tripped for nothing. Any suggestions, or are we stuck waiting to see if FS realises that not every issue can be solved by restarting the program, particularly when the program being restarted isn’t the issue in the first place?


moderated Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

Chris Hill
 

Still not buying the jaws restarting because the machine is slow.  I suspect you are having some other problem, but then again, I have not tried running jaws 2019 on a slow of a processor as that one is.  I’d either chuck it or reformat it.
Some things aren’t worth the diagnostic time required to figure out what the real problem is.  I’d back the thing up, put a fresh copy of windows on it and see if it works right.  If it doesn’t, at least you’d know you did all you could do.





On Jun 24, 2019, at 10:39, James Homuth <james@...> wrote:

Yeah, see, I’ve done that with this machine and it’s looked at me like okay, what else you got? That’s how I know it’s not the PC. I’ve also run VM’s on here with Exchange, SQL server and the like for school, and the thing wasn’t even breathing hard. You’re trying to tell me it can run a Windows Server 2012 VM with resource-hungry Exchange, but it can’t run latest JAWS? I’m not buying. LOL

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 10:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

 

Sad.  You really have to watch laptop processors.  I bought a "gaming" laptop that is about a year and a half old with a 7th generation core i5, and it is barely faster than this 5.5 year old desktop with an i5-4430.  If you want to keep a laptop a long time, buy the fastest processor available at that time. 

 

I don't really think being logged into multiple servers is going to push a processor all that hard.  Running ocr on a big batch job or using something to make the audio level consistent on a huge batch of mp3 files will really push a system.

 

 

On 6/24/2019 09:23, James Homuth wrote:

Eh. It’s just about 4 years old. I’ve had desktops acting as servers that have lasted longer (last one was 8 before the motherboard finally gave it up). It lets me log into multiple servers at once and doesn’t choke, which is probably a good benchmark for anything. At any given point the only casualty is JAWS, and only versions of JAWS that auto restart. Hand me a version that doesn’t have the auto restart functionality and it’ll run like a champ.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 10:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

 

 

Well, it is getting on in years.  I'm guessing it is in a laptop since my i5-4430 desktop is about three times faster even though it is a generation older.  Unfortunately, buying a laptop often means you get a nice looking box with a slow processor in it.

 

 

On 6/24/2019 09:01, James Homuth wrote:

Core i5-5200U at 2.20 GHZ. Pair that with 8 GB of RAM. It’s not screaming, but it takes a lot to make this machine sweat.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 9:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

Very interesting.  How slow is this computer?  What processor are we talking about here?

 

 

On 6/24/2019 07:57, James Homuth wrote:

I do this for a living. Trust me, my PC is very stable. Also I did say I can do the exact same things with JAWS 14 and the software doesn’t crash. JAWS has been repaired, uninstalled, reinstalled, upgraded, then reinstalled again just for amusement. To fix another issue the OS was reinstalled not all that long ago. Trust me. It’s not the PC.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

That's the strangest claim I've ever heard.  I suspect your pc is unstable, you might want to start with a check of the hard drive using chkdsk.  If that passes, scan it for viruses and malware then reinstall jaws if none of that helps. 

 

 

On 6/24/2019 05:46, James Homuth wrote:

Here’s the situation. My PC is not as fast as it could be. It’s also going to be replaced just as soon as I have the financial room to do it. But it’s not unstable, by any means—just sometimes it likes to take a couple seconds longer than it should to do certain things. The problem is, and I notice this fairly consistently, JAWS likes to assume it’s the problem when my PC does that, and so will kill itself, try and restart, and basically throw me off of whatever I’m working on. I was right in the middle of reading something tonight, the backup process kicked in, and JAWS committed suicide. Keep in mind, JAWS was perfectly stable. My system was perfectly stable. Just the CPU had run up above 50% for a few minutes.

 

I’d stuck with 14 for as long as I did because of that “feature” (for those with them disabled, the word “feature” is in quotes), but the list of currently available programs that 14 will still actually work with gets shorter on the daily. So I upgraded. Admittedly mostly for Office 365 (my work uses Exchange, and the newer versions of Exchange don’t work with Outlook 2003), but being perfectly honest the ability to use things like Chrome doesn’t hurt either.

 

My question: have they invented a way yet to tell JAWS not to have such an inferiority complex? I mean I get it—2019 isn’t exactly a bug free release, but the biggest reason if you’re me for JAWS taking a dive isn’t because it’s having a problem, but because it’s assuming it’s having a problem. It makes finding the actual problem slightly more annoying than it needs to be—I do have NVDA on here, but by the time I get that loaded whatever hung the system and tripped JAWS up has stopped hanging the system and JAWS has tripped for nothing. Any suggestions, or are we stuck waiting to see if FS realises that not every issue can be solved by restarting the program, particularly when the program being restarted isn’t the issue in the first place?


moderated Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

James Homuth
 

Yeah, see, I’ve done that with this machine and it’s looked at me like okay, what else you got? That’s how I know it’s not the PC. I’ve also run VM’s on here with Exchange, SQL server and the like for school, and the thing wasn’t even breathing hard. You’re trying to tell me it can run a Windows Server 2012 VM with resource-hungry Exchange, but it can’t run latest JAWS? I’m not buying. LOL

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 10:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

 

Sad.  You really have to watch laptop processors.  I bought a "gaming" laptop that is about a year and a half old with a 7th generation core i5, and it is barely faster than this 5.5 year old desktop with an i5-4430.  If you want to keep a laptop a long time, buy the fastest processor available at that time. 

 

I don't really think being logged into multiple servers is going to push a processor all that hard.  Running ocr on a big batch job or using something to make the audio level consistent on a huge batch of mp3 files will really push a system.

 

 

On 6/24/2019 09:23, James Homuth wrote:

Eh. It’s just about 4 years old. I’ve had desktops acting as servers that have lasted longer (last one was 8 before the motherboard finally gave it up). It lets me log into multiple servers at once and doesn’t choke, which is probably a good benchmark for anything. At any given point the only casualty is JAWS, and only versions of JAWS that auto restart. Hand me a version that doesn’t have the auto restart functionality and it’ll run like a champ.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 10:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

 

 

Well, it is getting on in years.  I'm guessing it is in a laptop since my i5-4430 desktop is about three times faster even though it is a generation older.  Unfortunately, buying a laptop often means you get a nice looking box with a slow processor in it.

 

 

On 6/24/2019 09:01, James Homuth wrote:

Core i5-5200U at 2.20 GHZ. Pair that with 8 GB of RAM. It’s not screaming, but it takes a lot to make this machine sweat.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 9:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

Very interesting.  How slow is this computer?  What processor are we talking about here?

 

 

On 6/24/2019 07:57, James Homuth wrote:

I do this for a living. Trust me, my PC is very stable. Also I did say I can do the exact same things with JAWS 14 and the software doesn’t crash. JAWS has been repaired, uninstalled, reinstalled, upgraded, then reinstalled again just for amusement. To fix another issue the OS was reinstalled not all that long ago. Trust me. It’s not the PC.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

That's the strangest claim I've ever heard.  I suspect your pc is unstable, you might want to start with a check of the hard drive using chkdsk.  If that passes, scan it for viruses and malware then reinstall jaws if none of that helps. 

 

 

On 6/24/2019 05:46, James Homuth wrote:

Here’s the situation. My PC is not as fast as it could be. It’s also going to be replaced just as soon as I have the financial room to do it. But it’s not unstable, by any means—just sometimes it likes to take a couple seconds longer than it should to do certain things. The problem is, and I notice this fairly consistently, JAWS likes to assume it’s the problem when my PC does that, and so will kill itself, try and restart, and basically throw me off of whatever I’m working on. I was right in the middle of reading something tonight, the backup process kicked in, and JAWS committed suicide. Keep in mind, JAWS was perfectly stable. My system was perfectly stable. Just the CPU had run up above 50% for a few minutes.

 

I’d stuck with 14 for as long as I did because of that “feature” (for those with them disabled, the word “feature” is in quotes), but the list of currently available programs that 14 will still actually work with gets shorter on the daily. So I upgraded. Admittedly mostly for Office 365 (my work uses Exchange, and the newer versions of Exchange don’t work with Outlook 2003), but being perfectly honest the ability to use things like Chrome doesn’t hurt either.

 

My question: have they invented a way yet to tell JAWS not to have such an inferiority complex? I mean I get it—2019 isn’t exactly a bug free release, but the biggest reason if you’re me for JAWS taking a dive isn’t because it’s having a problem, but because it’s assuming it’s having a problem. It makes finding the actual problem slightly more annoying than it needs to be—I do have NVDA on here, but by the time I get that loaded whatever hung the system and tripped JAWS up has stopped hanging the system and JAWS has tripped for nothing. Any suggestions, or are we stuck waiting to see if FS realises that not every issue can be solved by restarting the program, particularly when the program being restarted isn’t the issue in the first place?