Haha..interesting use of “vertiginous” there..I take it that was purposeful…

 

You don’t need to explain, I understand why someone *might* want to use such a thing. It’s not for me, but I am stubborn like that.

 

With the new mS Editor – what I can foresee is that in the beginning it will perhaps not be so accessible, but as screen-reader developers tend to work somewhat more closely with microsoft, it will probably become better over time.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Leo
Sent: March 31, 2020 6:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What's your thought on using Grammarly with Jaws

 

Well, now that I've tried the extension for Microsoft word, I can tell from my own experience that it's

not accessible, well, really to be more accurate, it's accesible to some degree, which isn't much, but the navigation through the grammarly pain is too clumsy. I had to use touch cursor, which seems the only way to get through the pain, but still I found some unlabeled buttons. I requested sighted assistance to see if there was some kind of marker on the words or structures in which grammarly purportedly singled out as mistaken, and apparently, those words were underlined, but jaws 2020 didn't report any.

As for explaining why one might need a grammar checker, in my case it's very simple, I'm not a native English speaker, and even though a good strategy to learn a new language is thoroughly memorizing grammar rules, a language learner will always find linguistic pitfalls that are extremely  difficult to sort out. I said that I could move through the grammarly pain with difficulty, well, the words that the extension underlined were all awkward expressions, not exactly grammar mistakes, this is one of the reasons I really like grammarly, and I wish it were fully accessible. Hopefully, this new Microsoft editor will  vertiginous improve through its self-proclaimed AI the detection of such graceless and unnatural expressions. 

 

Best,

   Leo

On 3/31/2020 1:51 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Grammarly is supposedly much more comprehensive and so forth than what MS Word currently offers. That said, stayed tuned – I just saw a press release from MS about all the new features that are coming, including a powerful grammar checking and editing utility called “Microsoft Editor” that will be  as powerful as Grammarly at least. I think it’s a mistake to use those programmes myself, or maybe it’s just a personal thing for me, but hey, I guess if you feel it’s what you need, go to it. Anyway, the new mS app will be available with new editions of Office 365 and also downloadable as an extension for Edge and Chrome.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: March 31, 2020 2:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What's your thought on using Grammarly with Jaws

 

I have office 365 with a built in spell checker which checks my spelling and grammar all the time when sending a message via email or even face book.  Subsequently, David why would you need Grammarly? Oh, I’m using JAWS 2020. With windows 10. I’ve not mastered using the iPhone to check my spelling, no matter what program I was using.    

Well, now that I've tried the extension for Microsoft word, I can tell from my own experience that it's

not accessible, well, really to be more accurate, it's accesible to some degree, which isn't much, but the navigation through the grammarly pain is too clumsy. I had to use touch cursor, which seems the only way to get through the pain, but still I found some unlabeled buttons. I requested sighted assistance to see if there was some kind of marker on the words or structures in which grammarly purportedly singled out as mistaken, and apparently, those words were underlined, but jaws 2020 didn't report any.

As for explaining why one might need a grammar checker, in my case it's very simple, I'm not a native English speaker, and even though a good strategy to learn a new language is thoroughly memorizing grammar rules, a language learner will always find linguistic pitfalls that are extremely  difficult to sort out. I said that I could move through the grammarly pain with difficulty, well, the words that the extension underlined were all awkward expressions, not exactly grammar mistakes, this is one of the reasons I really like grammarly, and I wish it were fully accessible. Hopefully, this new Microsoft editor will  vertiginous improve through its self-proclaimed AI the detection of such graceless and unnatural expressions. 

Best,

   Leo

Grammarly is supposedly much more comprehensive and so forth than what MS Word currently offers. That said, stayed tuned – I just saw a press release from MS about all the new features that are coming, including a powerful grammar checking and editing utility called “Microsoft Editor” that will be  as powerful as Grammarly at least. I think it’s a mistake to use those programmes myself, or maybe it’s just a personal thing for me, but hey, I guess if you feel it’s what you need, go to it. Anyway, the new mS app will be available with new editions of Office 365 and also downloadable as an extension for Edge and Chrome.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: March 31, 2020 2:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What's your thought on using Grammarly with Jaws

 

I have office 365 with a built in spell checker which checks my spelling and grammar all the time when sending a message via email or even face book.  Subsequently, David why would you need Grammarly? Oh, I’m using JAWS 2020. With windows 10. I’ve not mastered using the iPhone to check my spelling, no matter what program I was using.    

Grammarly is supposedly much more comprehensive and so forth than what MS Word currently offers. That said, stayed tuned – I just saw a press release from MS about all the new features that are coming, including a powerful grammar checking and editing utility called “Microsoft Editor” that will be  as powerful as Grammarly at least. I think it’s a mistake to use those programmes myself, or maybe it’s just a personal thing for me, but hey, I guess if you feel it’s what you need, go to it. Anyway, the new mS app will be available with new editions of Office 365 and also downloadable as an extension for Edge and Chrome.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: March 31, 2020 2:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What's your thought on using Grammarly with Jaws

 

I have office 365 with a built in spell checker which checks my spelling and grammar all the time when sending a message via email or even face book.  Subsequently, David why would you need Grammarly? Oh, I’m using JAWS 2020. With windows 10. I’ve not mastered using the iPhone to check my spelling, no matter what program I was using.    

On Mar 25, 2020, at 2:14 AM, Bill White <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com> wrote:

Hi, Anna Try Function key 6 (F6 a couple of times. This usually works when navigating between panes in a program.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Anna
Givens
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:11 PM
To: Jaws List; Jaws List
Subject: Getting out of the menu in docs

Still wondering why when I’m google docs, if I am in the menu but don’t want to select anything, but just want to get back to the document area, why doesn’t pressing escape do anything, and what should I do??

I have also tried taking through the menu (which I would hate to have to do every time) but that didn’t get me back to the document area.

Also tried alt tab to go to other window and then back and that didn’t do anything.

Also tried f5 to refresh page (although I don’t think it was an issue with the page, but who knows) but that didn’t do anything!

Any ideas would be appreciated!

Be well,
Anna

Hi. Using jaws 2020 , nvda 2019.3 windows 10 64 bit pro. On a assus laptop. Doing a network course from http://www.upskilled.edu.au. Got a free dedicated server for assignments  from http://www.heropa.com. But only for assignments and assessments. As their web tool is totally unuser friendly and not accessible. Looking to rebuild. So looking for a free vm. Did sign up for the vmware workstation education, but was rejected my application. Not sure. And also listening to videos from http://www.pluralsight.com and from http://www.linedinlearning.com. Vm ware player, asks for me to turn off credential guard manager and security settings, if people are familiar with that. Now, tried that and when trying to install windows server 2016 iso, could not turn that feature off. In vritual box, no way to turn the audio on, and it kept either crashing or powering off. Hyper v manager the same. So can any one doing a networking course, let me know. And Microsoft azure, trying to set up a free student account, would not recognize my landline voip phone. Don’t have a mobile phone, credit card, paypal. And now, any one got any good recommendations for a free, accessible vm, that will work with jaws, nvda, windows narrator. And able to then install such server os as windows server 2008 r2, 2012, 2016, docker, etc.

Any ideas or help. Want to get my hands dirty and learn how to install, configure and use networking. Any one got any ideas or in the same boat. My college does not have a dedicated online server. Doing this online and with about 11 other sighted students.

Any ideas. Help.

Thanks.

Tried all to no avail. "Page turn" is turned off; in “Tools/Options” I turned it on and back off with no change in use of Jaws keyboard commands able to read books. I have searched this list archives and Jaws support but have found no help to get Jaws keyboard commands to work with Kindle. Additional suggestions? J Edward Culpepper, PhD

Huntsville, Alabama

 

I found a very annoying problem in JAWS today. When I have selected
"Polish, literacy braille" as my braille input I could not type
anything on my Focus braille keyboard!! Only when I have selected the
computer braille I could type, but that should not be like that as
there are a lot of people who do prefer literacy braille.

I have office 365 with a built in spell checker which checks my spelling and grammar all the time when sending a message via email or even face book.  Subsequently, David why would you need Grammarly? Oh, I’m using JAWS 2020. With windows 10. I’ve not mastered using the iPhone to check my spelling, no matter what program I was using.    

As Dean pointed out, it is primarily useful in connection with the mouseover keystroke. If, for example, I log into my credit card processor’s portal I have items like “Administration”, “Terminal”, “Reports” etc.

These items are mouseover links which means that if a sighted person hovers over, for example, “Terminal” then they see a new menu pop up further down on the screen with things like “Purchase”, “Refund”, “Void” etc.

If I press enter on any of them nothing at all happens, but if I use the Jaws Key + Control + Enter keystroke to activate the mouseover link, Jaws will say “change at line 9”

I then immediately press “J” and follow this by 9 and enter, Jaws will go to line 9 and now if I down arrow I can see and access all the options which have appeared there.

I find many websites use such mouseover links and in some cases they are properly labelled and Jaws will announce them as mouseoever, in other cases it may just say “link” or possibly nothing at all to identify what it is, but if I press enter on something and nothing apparently happens I always try the mouseoever link keyboard shortcut.

Best regards,

Sieghard

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To: JFW List (jfw@groups.io)

Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 10:23 AM

Subject: use of Jump to Line feature in web pages

 

I’m curious how people use the Jump to line option in virtual view.   Do you see a benefit of this over setting a place marker?    It’s a new feature since moving to JAWS, so just wondering how to use it to my advantage.

 

Robin

Windows 10, JAWS 2020

 

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I found a very annoying problem in JAWS today. When I have selected
"Polish,
literacy braille" as my braille input I could not type anything on my Focus
braille keyboard!! Only when I have selected the computer braille I could
type, but that should not be like that as there are a lot of people who do
prefer literacy braille.

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Kingsbury
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 10:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What's your thought on using Grammarly with Jaws

Hello,
While it is easy to download, I would be very interested to know if it is accessible. Last time I checked, it was completely inaccessible.

David

So if I hit mouseover keystroke and I hear the line, I can jump to that line?

Or, can you rexplain that so I can understand how to use it.

Justin

As Dean pointed out, it is primarily useful in connection with the mouseover keystroke. If, for example, I log into my credit card processor’s portal I have items like “Administration”, “Terminal”, “Reports” etc.

These items are mouseover links which means that if a sighted person hovers over, for example, “Terminal” then they see a new menu pop up further down on the screen with things like “Purchase”, “Refund”, “Void” etc.

If I press enter on any of them nothing at all happens, but if I use the Jaws Key + Control + Enter keystroke to activate the mouseover link, Jaws will say “change at line 9”

I then immediately press “J” and follow this by 9 and enter, Jaws will go to line 9 and now if I down arrow I can see and access all the options which have appeared there.

I find many websites use such mouseover links and in some cases they are properly labelled and Jaws will announce them as mouseoever, in other cases it may just say “link” or possibly nothing at all to identify what it is, but if I press enter on something and nothing apparently happens I always try the mouseoever link keyboard shortcut.

Best regards,

Sieghard

----- Original Message -----

From: Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io

To: JFW List (jfw@groups.io)

Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 10:23 AM

Subject: use of Jump to Line feature in web pages

 

I’m curious how people use the Jump to line option in virtual view.   Do you see a benefit of this over setting a place marker?    It’s a new feature since moving to JAWS, so just wondering how to use it to my advantage.

 

Robin

Windows 10, JAWS 2020

 

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As Dean pointed out, it is primarily useful in connection with the mouseover keystroke. If, for example, I log into my credit card processor’s portal I have items like “Administration”, “Terminal”, “Reports” etc.

These items are mouseover links which means that if a sighted person hovers over, for example, “Terminal” then they see a new menu pop up further down on the screen with things like “Purchase”, “Refund”, “Void” etc.

If I press enter on any of them nothing at all happens, but if I use the Jaws Key + Control + Enter keystroke to activate the mouseover link, Jaws will say “change at line 9”

I then immediately press “J” and follow this by 9 and enter, Jaws will go to line 9 and now if I down arrow I can see and access all the options which have appeared there.

I find many websites use such mouseover links and in some cases they are properly labelled and Jaws will announce them as mouseoever, in other cases it may just say “link” or possibly nothing at all to identify what it is, but if I press enter on something and nothing apparently happens I always try the mouseoever link keyboard shortcut.

Best regards,

Sieghard

----- Original Message -----

From: Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io

To: JFW List (jfw@groups.io)

Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 10:23 AM

Subject: use of Jump to Line feature in web pages

 

I’m curious how people use the Jump to line option in virtual view.   Do you see a benefit of this over setting a place marker?    It’s a new feature since moving to JAWS, so just wondering how to use it to my advantage.

 

Robin

Windows 10, JAWS 2020

 

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As Dean pointed out, it is primarily useful in connection with the mouseover keystroke. If, for example, I log into my credit card processor’s portal I have items like “Administration”, “Terminal”, “Reports” etc.

These items are mouseover links which means that if a sighted person hovers over, for example, “Terminal” then they see a new menu pop up further down on the screen with things like “Purchase”, “Refund”, “Void” etc.

If I press enter on any of them nothing at all happens, but if I use the Jaws Key + Control + Enter keystroke to activate the mouseover link, Jaws will say “change at line 9”

I then immediately press “J” and follow this by 9 and enter, Jaws will go to line 9 and now if I down arrow I can see and access all the options which have appeared there.

I find many websites use such mouseover links and in some cases they are properly labelled and Jaws will announce them as mouseoever, in other cases it may just say “link” or possibly nothing at all to identify what it is, but if I press enter on something and nothing apparently happens I always try the mouseoever link keyboard shortcut.

Best regards,

Sieghard

----- Original Message -----

From: Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io

To: JFW List (jfw@groups.io)

Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 10:23 AM

Subject: use of Jump to Line feature in web pages

 

I’m curious how people use the Jump to line option in virtual view.   Do you see a benefit of this over setting a place marker?    It’s a new feature since moving to JAWS, so just wondering how to use it to my advantage.

 

Robin

Windows 10, JAWS 2020

 

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