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moderated Re: Used computer

Glenn / Lenny
 

You can boot to Win PE and copy out a user folder with all its files.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marty Hutchings" <mhutchings152730@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Glenn, Not to sound ungrateful, but if you remember my original post, the machine that I am dealing with is a Windows 7 desktop computer. I know that after January, I would not be wise to continue using Windows 7, but if I was to upgrade to Windows 10, I would still have to get rid of the files that are behind the passwords.
Thanks for your help.


Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

Marty,
I put the Windows 10 Win PE in my Open Drive.
Here's a download link:
https://od.lk/d/N18xNjQyNDQ5Mjdf/Win10PE_x86.ISO
It is a version of windows that loads into RAM and you can even remove the
boot media after it starts.
With this you can do repairs or install Windows, get on-line and even listen
to audio.
It also has a network scanner in this version to help you get on-line.
You just cannot install to it because it will be gone on next boot-up.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marty Hutchings" <mhutchings152730@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Please pardon my ignorance here, but what is talking Win PE and how do I get it?



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

If you burn the talking Win PE to disk or USB and boot up, you can detect
all the passwords on your computer with a tool that is on it.
That is the Win PE with eSpeak, not the one with Eloquence.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <@Sieghard>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Yes, no password can be bypassed by taking out a small piece.
I still would like to know about Windows passwords and if they can really be
discovered as easily as Glen and some others here say they can.
As for Apple, what was said is correct. This case was when those two people
shot and killed a bunch of people during this Christmas party I think in
California and I think it was now 2 years ago or maybe even 3.
Apple said they can't get into the iPhone which, by the way, was not as
secure as today's iPhones are, and I think the FBI hired some Israeli
company who tried to get in, millions were spent and I honestly can't
remember if they succeeded or not.
As for the Face Id thing and a thief pointing it at you that is only correct
to some degree. If somebody snatched your iPhone and stuck around all you
would have to do is cover your Face with your hands if you are worried. At
the same time if a thief stuck around they could just as easily grab your
hand and put your finger on the Touch Id home button or, even better, ask
you for the passcode. If somebody is that callus I doubt a lot of people
would keep their passcode to themselves after a few slaps or punches or
being shoved to the ground and kicked a few times which some such thieves
probably have few scruples to do.
The fact is that even if he can unlock your phone once with Face Id, he has
to make sure it doesn't lock and having unlocked it with Face Id or Touch Id
won't do them any good if they want to reset the phone to sell it or even if
they want to get into it and disable or change the Face Id/Touch Id/PIN
option. As soon as you go to Settings > Passcode you have to enter you
passcode. Apple security is indeed very good, even if your phone was stolen
and they have your PIN, you could wipe the phone and permanently disable it
if you quickly log into iCloud and Find My iPhone also cannot be disabled
without the passcode, the only way to stop it from working is to turn off
the phone.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

So would I.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the
spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist
in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

I would love to know what that computer tech meant by taking out a small
piece!
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


This entire security thing seems as farcical as face I D on iPhones. In
order to get into your iPhone all the thief needs to do is point the device
at you and poof he or she can use your device. I'm sure I am wrong but a
computer tech told me years ago all one needs to do to use a password
protected computer is take out a small piece and then anyone can use it
after that.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ratshtron
Sent: November 16, 2019 8:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

try looking for a software called konboot that should allow you to log in to
those accounts with a password and remove them I think.
otherwise you may have to re--install windows thus removing everything on
the system and starting from scratch.


Legend has it that on Friday 11/15/2019 10:23 PM, Marty Hutchings said:
----------------------------------------
I have a used computer that a neighbor gave me. It is a Windows7 OS.
It has 3 password protected user accounts on it that are using
2/3 of the hard drive space. I don't know the passwords. Is there any
way that I can remove these accounts? Can this computer be restored to
factory fresh without a Windows 7 disk?
----------------------------------------


























moderated Re: Used computer

Glenn / Lenny
 

I forget his last name, I am pretty sure that he passed away some time back.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mario" <mrb620@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Glenn, is the ISO from Carlos Navario or is it from someone else?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Glenn / Lenny [mailto:glennervin@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Sunday, November 17, 2019, 4:59 PM
Subject: Used computer
Marty,
I put the Windows 10 Win PE in my Open Drive.
Here's a download link:
https://od.lk/d/N18xNjQyNDQ5Mjdf/Win10PE_x86.ISO
It is a version of windows that loads into RAM and you can even remove
the boot media after it starts.
With this you can do repairs or install Windows, get on-line and even
listen to audio.
It also has a network scanner in this version to help you get on-line.
You just cannot install to it because it will be gone on next boot-up.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: "Marty Hutchings"
<mhutchings152730@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Please pardon my ignorance here, but what is talking Win PE and how do
I get it?



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the
rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness,
against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to
resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message----- From: Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

If you burn the talking Win PE to disk or USB and boot up, you can detect
all the passwords on your computer with a tool that is on it.
That is the Win PE with eSpeak, not the one with Eloquence.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <@Sieghard>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Yes, no password can be bypassed by taking out a small piece.
I still would like to know about Windows passwords and if they can
really be
discovered as easily as Glen and some others here say they can.
As for Apple, what was said is correct. This case was when those two
people
shot and killed a bunch of people during this Christmas party I think in
California and I think it was now 2 years ago or maybe even 3.
Apple said they can't get into the iPhone which, by the way, was not as
secure as today's iPhones are, and I think the FBI hired some Israeli
company who tried to get in, millions were spent and I honestly can't
remember if they succeeded or not.
As for the Face Id thing and a thief pointing it at you that is only
correct
to some degree. If somebody snatched your iPhone and stuck around all you
would have to do is cover your Face with your hands if you are
worried. At
the same time if a thief stuck around they could just as easily grab your
hand and put your finger on the Touch Id home button or, even better, ask
you for the passcode. If somebody is that callus I doubt a lot of people
would keep their passcode to themselves after a few slaps or punches or
being shoved to the ground and kicked a few times which some such thieves
probably have few scruples to do.
The fact is that even if he can unlock your phone once with Face Id,
he has
to make sure it doesn't lock and having unlocked it with Face Id or
Touch Id
won't do them any good if they want to reset the phone to sell it or
even if
they want to get into it and disable or change the Face Id/Touch Id/PIN
option. As soon as you go to Settings > Passcode you have to enter you
passcode. Apple security is indeed very good, even if your phone was
stolen
and they have your PIN, you could wipe the phone and permanently
disable it
if you quickly log into iCloud and Find My iPhone also cannot be disabled
without the passcode, the only way to stop it from working is to turn off
the phone.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty
Hutchings
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

So would I.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against
the
spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to
resist
in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

I would love to know what that computer tech meant by taking out a small
piece!
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


This entire security thing seems as farcical as face I D on iPhones. In
order to get into your iPhone all the thief needs to do is point the
device
at you and poof he or she can use your device. I'm sure I am wrong but a
computer tech told me years ago all one needs to do to use a password
protected computer is take out a small piece and then anyone can use it
after that.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ratshtron
Sent: November 16, 2019 8:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

try looking for a software called konboot that should allow you to log
in to
those accounts with a password and remove them I think.
otherwise you may have to re--install windows thus removing everything on
the system and starting from scratch.


Legend has it that on Friday 11/15/2019 10:23 PM, Marty Hutchings said:
----------------------------------------
I have a used computer that a neighbor gave me. It is a Windows7 OS.
It has 3 password protected user accounts on it that are using
2/3 of the hard drive space. I don't know the passwords. Is there any
way that I can remove these accounts? Can this computer be restored to
factory fresh without a Windows 7 disk?

----------------------------------------

























.




moderated Re: Used computer

netbat66
 

true for windows passwords. but not for the motherboard bios password if it is enabled.
this is what one poster was talking about with removing a pece from the computer.
this would not remove the windows password.
all you do is either remove the motherboard battery or move a jumper to another terminal to short it out for a few seconds with the power off and everything in the bios would be erased. includeing the motherboard password.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

Yes, no password can be bypassed by taking out a small piece.
I still would like to know about Windows passwords and if they can really be discovered as easily as Glen and some others here say they can.
As for Apple, what was said is correct. This case was when those two people shot and killed a bunch of people during this Christmas party I think in California and I think it was now 2 years ago or maybe even 3.
Apple said they can't get into the iPhone which, by the way, was not as secure as today's iPhones are, and I think the FBI hired some Israeli company who tried to get in, millions were spent and I honestly can't remember if they succeeded or not.
As for the Face Id thing and a thief pointing it at you that is only correct to some degree. If somebody snatched your iPhone and stuck around all you would have to do is cover your Face with your hands if you are worried. At the same time if a thief stuck around they could just as easily grab your hand and put your finger on the Touch Id home button or, even better, ask you for the passcode. If somebody is that callus I doubt a lot of people would keep their passcode to themselves after a few slaps or punches or being shoved to the ground and kicked a few times which some such thieves probably have few scruples to do.
The fact is that even if he can unlock your phone once with Face Id, he has to make sure it doesn't lock and having unlocked it with Face Id or Touch Id won't do them any good if they want to reset the phone to sell it or even if they want to get into it and disable or change the Face Id/Touch Id/PIN option. As soon as you go to Settings > Passcode you have to enter you passcode. Apple security is indeed very good, even if your phone was stolen and they have your PIN, you could wipe the phone and permanently disable it if you quickly log into iCloud and Find My iPhone also cannot be disabled without the passcode, the only way to stop it from working is to turn off the phone.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

So would I.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

I would love to know what that computer tech meant by taking out a small piece!
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


This entire security thing seems as farcical as face I D on iPhones. In
order to get into your iPhone all the thief needs to do is point the device
at you and poof he or she can use your device. I'm sure I am wrong but a
computer tech told me years ago all one needs to do to use a password
protected computer is take out a small piece and then anyone can use it
after that.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ratshtron
Sent: November 16, 2019 8:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

try looking for a software called konboot that should allow you to log in to
those accounts with a password and remove them I think.
otherwise you may have to re--install windows thus removing everything on
the system and starting from scratch.


Legend has it that on Friday 11/15/2019 10:23 PM, Marty Hutchings said:
----------------------------------------
I have a used computer that a neighbor gave me. It is a Windows7 OS.
It has 3 password protected user accounts on it that are using
2/3 of the hard drive space. I don't know the passwords. Is there any
way that I can remove these accounts? Can this computer be restored to
factory fresh without a Windows 7 disk?
----------------------------------------


moderated Re: Used computer

Marty Hutchings
 

Glenn, Not to sound ungrateful, but if you remember my original post, the machine that I am dealing with is a Windows 7 desktop computer. I know that after January, I would not be wise to continue using Windows 7, but if I was to upgrade to Windows 10, I would still have to get rid of the files that are behind the passwords.
Thanks for your help.


Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

Marty,
I put the Windows 10 Win PE in my Open Drive.
Here's a download link:
https://od.lk/d/N18xNjQyNDQ5Mjdf/Win10PE_x86.ISO
It is a version of windows that loads into RAM and you can even remove the
boot media after it starts.
With this you can do repairs or install Windows, get on-line and even listen
to audio.
It also has a network scanner in this version to help you get on-line.
You just cannot install to it because it will be gone on next boot-up.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marty Hutchings" <mhutchings152730@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Please pardon my ignorance here, but what is talking Win PE and how do I get it?



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

If you burn the talking Win PE to disk or USB and boot up, you can detect
all the passwords on your computer with a tool that is on it.
That is the Win PE with eSpeak, not the one with Eloquence.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <@Sieghard>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Yes, no password can be bypassed by taking out a small piece.
I still would like to know about Windows passwords and if they can really be
discovered as easily as Glen and some others here say they can.
As for Apple, what was said is correct. This case was when those two people
shot and killed a bunch of people during this Christmas party I think in
California and I think it was now 2 years ago or maybe even 3.
Apple said they can't get into the iPhone which, by the way, was not as
secure as today's iPhones are, and I think the FBI hired some Israeli
company who tried to get in, millions were spent and I honestly can't
remember if they succeeded or not.
As for the Face Id thing and a thief pointing it at you that is only correct
to some degree. If somebody snatched your iPhone and stuck around all you
would have to do is cover your Face with your hands if you are worried. At
the same time if a thief stuck around they could just as easily grab your
hand and put your finger on the Touch Id home button or, even better, ask
you for the passcode. If somebody is that callus I doubt a lot of people
would keep their passcode to themselves after a few slaps or punches or
being shoved to the ground and kicked a few times which some such thieves
probably have few scruples to do.
The fact is that even if he can unlock your phone once with Face Id, he has
to make sure it doesn't lock and having unlocked it with Face Id or Touch Id
won't do them any good if they want to reset the phone to sell it or even if
they want to get into it and disable or change the Face Id/Touch Id/PIN
option. As soon as you go to Settings > Passcode you have to enter you
passcode. Apple security is indeed very good, even if your phone was stolen
and they have your PIN, you could wipe the phone and permanently disable it
if you quickly log into iCloud and Find My iPhone also cannot be disabled
without the passcode, the only way to stop it from working is to turn off
the phone.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

So would I.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the
spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist
in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

I would love to know what that computer tech meant by taking out a small
piece!
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


This entire security thing seems as farcical as face I D on iPhones. In
order to get into your iPhone all the thief needs to do is point the device
at you and poof he or she can use your device. I'm sure I am wrong but a
computer tech told me years ago all one needs to do to use a password
protected computer is take out a small piece and then anyone can use it
after that.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ratshtron
Sent: November 16, 2019 8:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

try looking for a software called konboot that should allow you to log in to
those accounts with a password and remove them I think.
otherwise you may have to re--install windows thus removing everything on
the system and starting from scratch.


Legend has it that on Friday 11/15/2019 10:23 PM, Marty Hutchings said:
----------------------------------------
I have a used computer that a neighbor gave me. It is a Windows7 OS.
It has 3 password protected user accounts on it that are using
2/3 of the hard drive space. I don't know the passwords. Is there any
way that I can remove these accounts? Can this computer be restored to
factory fresh without a Windows 7 disk?
----------------------------------------






















moderated Re: Used computer

Mario
 

Glenn, is the ISO from Carlos Navario or is it from someone else?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Glenn / Lenny [mailto:glennervin@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Sunday, November 17, 2019, 4:59 PM
Subject: Used computer
Marty,
I put the Windows 10 Win PE in my Open Drive.
Here's a download link:
https://od.lk/d/N18xNjQyNDQ5Mjdf/Win10PE_x86.ISO
It is a version of windows that loads into RAM and you can even remove
the boot media after it starts.
With this you can do repairs or install Windows, get on-line and even
listen to audio.
It also has a network scanner in this version to help you get on-line.
You just cannot install to it because it will be gone on next boot-up.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: "Marty Hutchings"
<mhutchings152730@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Please pardon my ignorance here, but what is talking Win PE and how do
I get it?



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the
rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness,
against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to
resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message----- From: Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

If you burn the talking Win PE to disk or USB and boot up, you can detect
all the passwords on your computer with a tool that is on it.
That is the Win PE with eSpeak, not the one with Eloquence.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <@Sieghard>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Yes, no password can be bypassed by taking out a small piece.
I still would like to know about Windows passwords and if they can
really be
discovered as easily as Glen and some others here say they can.
As for Apple, what was said is correct. This case was when those two
people
shot and killed a bunch of people during this Christmas party I think in
California and I think it was now 2 years ago or maybe even 3.
Apple said they can't get into the iPhone which, by the way, was not as
secure as today's iPhones are, and I think the FBI hired some Israeli
company who tried to get in, millions were spent and I honestly can't
remember if they succeeded or not.
As for the Face Id thing and a thief pointing it at you that is only
correct
to some degree. If somebody snatched your iPhone and stuck around all you
would have to do is cover your Face with your hands if you are
worried. At
the same time if a thief stuck around they could just as easily grab your
hand and put your finger on the Touch Id home button or, even better, ask
you for the passcode. If somebody is that callus I doubt a lot of people
would keep their passcode to themselves after a few slaps or punches or
being shoved to the ground and kicked a few times which some such thieves
probably have few scruples to do.
The fact is that even if he can unlock your phone once with Face Id,
he has
to make sure it doesn't lock and having unlocked it with Face Id or
Touch Id
won't do them any good if they want to reset the phone to sell it or
even if
they want to get into it and disable or change the Face Id/Touch Id/PIN
option. As soon as you go to Settings > Passcode you have to enter you
passcode. Apple security is indeed very good, even if your phone was
stolen
and they have your PIN, you could wipe the phone and permanently
disable it
if you quickly log into iCloud and Find My iPhone also cannot be disabled
without the passcode, the only way to stop it from working is to turn off
the phone.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty
Hutchings
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

So would I.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against
the
spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to
resist
in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

I would love to know what that computer tech meant by taking out a small
piece!
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


This entire security thing seems as farcical as face I D on iPhones.  In
order to get into your iPhone all the thief needs to do is point the
device
at you and poof he or she can use your device. I'm sure I am wrong but a
computer tech told me years ago all one needs to do to use a password
protected computer is take out a small piece and then anyone can use it
after that.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ratshtron
Sent: November 16, 2019 8:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

try looking for a software called konboot that should allow you to log
in to
those accounts with a password and remove them I think.
otherwise you may have to re--install windows thus removing everything on
the system and starting from scratch.


Legend has it that on Friday 11/15/2019 10:23 PM, Marty Hutchings said:
----------------------------------------
I have a used computer that a neighbor gave me.  It is a Windows7 OS.
It has 3 password protected user accounts on it that are using
2/3 of the hard drive space.  I don't know the passwords.  Is there any
way that I can remove these accounts?  Can this computer be restored to
factory fresh without a Windows 7 disk?

----------------------------------------

























.


moderated Re: Used computer

Glenn / Lenny
 

Marty,
I put the Windows 10 Win PE in my Open Drive.
Here's a download link:
https://od.lk/d/N18xNjQyNDQ5Mjdf/Win10PE_x86.ISO
It is a version of windows that loads into RAM and you can even remove the boot media after it starts.
With this you can do repairs or install Windows, get on-line and even listen to audio.
It also has a network scanner in this version to help you get on-line.
You just cannot install to it because it will be gone on next boot-up.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marty Hutchings" <mhutchings152730@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Please pardon my ignorance here, but what is talking Win PE and how do I get it?



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

If you burn the talking Win PE to disk or USB and boot up, you can detect
all the passwords on your computer with a tool that is on it.
That is the Win PE with eSpeak, not the one with Eloquence.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <@Sieghard>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Yes, no password can be bypassed by taking out a small piece.
I still would like to know about Windows passwords and if they can really be
discovered as easily as Glen and some others here say they can.
As for Apple, what was said is correct. This case was when those two people
shot and killed a bunch of people during this Christmas party I think in
California and I think it was now 2 years ago or maybe even 3.
Apple said they can't get into the iPhone which, by the way, was not as
secure as today's iPhones are, and I think the FBI hired some Israeli
company who tried to get in, millions were spent and I honestly can't
remember if they succeeded or not.
As for the Face Id thing and a thief pointing it at you that is only correct
to some degree. If somebody snatched your iPhone and stuck around all you
would have to do is cover your Face with your hands if you are worried. At
the same time if a thief stuck around they could just as easily grab your
hand and put your finger on the Touch Id home button or, even better, ask
you for the passcode. If somebody is that callus I doubt a lot of people
would keep their passcode to themselves after a few slaps or punches or
being shoved to the ground and kicked a few times which some such thieves
probably have few scruples to do.
The fact is that even if he can unlock your phone once with Face Id, he has
to make sure it doesn't lock and having unlocked it with Face Id or Touch Id
won't do them any good if they want to reset the phone to sell it or even if
they want to get into it and disable or change the Face Id/Touch Id/PIN
option. As soon as you go to Settings > Passcode you have to enter you
passcode. Apple security is indeed very good, even if your phone was stolen
and they have your PIN, you could wipe the phone and permanently disable it
if you quickly log into iCloud and Find My iPhone also cannot be disabled
without the passcode, the only way to stop it from working is to turn off
the phone.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

So would I.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the
spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist
in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

I would love to know what that computer tech meant by taking out a small
piece!
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


This entire security thing seems as farcical as face I D on iPhones. In
order to get into your iPhone all the thief needs to do is point the device
at you and poof he or she can use your device. I'm sure I am wrong but a
computer tech told me years ago all one needs to do to use a password
protected computer is take out a small piece and then anyone can use it
after that.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ratshtron
Sent: November 16, 2019 8:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

try looking for a software called konboot that should allow you to log in to
those accounts with a password and remove them I think.
otherwise you may have to re--install windows thus removing everything on
the system and starting from scratch.


Legend has it that on Friday 11/15/2019 10:23 PM, Marty Hutchings said:
----------------------------------------
I have a used computer that a neighbor gave me. It is a Windows7 OS.
It has 3 password protected user accounts on it that are using
2/3 of the hard drive space. I don't know the passwords. Is there any
way that I can remove these accounts? Can this computer be restored to
factory fresh without a Windows 7 disk?
----------------------------------------





















moderated Re: FScast?

 

I tried asking both Alexa and my Google Home Mini to play “FS Cast Podcast” and both got it wrong.

Then I asked Google to play “Freedom Scientific Podcast” and it worked fine and it started playing the latest episode.

I asked Alexa the exact same thing “Play Freedom Scientific Podcast” and it said “Sorry, I don’t know that one”.

This confirms my experience before, when it comes to Podcasts and such the Google Home Mini is much better at it than Alexa.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 8:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: FScast?

 

If you have software that supports XML feeds you can get it froem here:

http://fscast.libsyn.com/rss

 

OZ0TE Jacob

 

On 2019-11-16 at 16:53 ken lawrence via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi jaws users does the FS cast still come out regularly and is there any way to listen on an echo?  Have tried asking different ways but coming up with other things

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


moderated Re: Used computer

Glenn / Lenny
 

I also forgot about a utility that I have used in Linux for Windows passwords and I think this may be on the Win PE disk I referenced as well, it is called chntpw
The letters stand for change NT Password
Glenn
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer

I did this on Windows 10, and I could have done this on Windows 10 with a Windows 7 Win PE disk.
When Win PE loads, it is a separate operating system, and it is accessing the hard drive as though it was a drive just plugged into the computer.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer

My sister had a Windows seven HP computer when she tried to update it it would not except the update to Windows 10. Thus I think secret is right even if it could be restored who’s to say it would work with windows 10 installed.


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 1:17:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Cc: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Used computer
 
And then the question remains that if you did this a few years ago when Windows 10 first came out whether it it still possible today since every update brings security changes and enhancements.
I really would have been surprised if a password was stored somewhere in clear text where it could easily be retrieved.
I CC the Win 10 list here because there are some very good people on there including some from Microsoft and maybe they can clarify this. The question is:
If somebody was given a Windows 10 computer, let's assume it has a fairly recent version of Windows 10 like 1903 or at least 1809, are they utilities which can be easily obtained which would allow for the password to be retrieved or even changed to something new and by that I mean could I change the password on the main account without knowing the original?
I think this might be something joseph or Brian might be able to comment on.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

Now that I remember it, it's been a while since I've had to do this for someone who didn't have their password, I think the tool that comes on Win PE only allows you to change it, not retrieve it.
I believe passwords are encrypted into the registry and it would take some heavy duty encryption software to crack the encryption.
But whenever I change the password for someone, that is as good as knowing the original, as you then log into that account with the password you created and the original password is no longer valid.
It is all the product keys that you can display as well with that Win PE and that is what I recalled one of the utilities showing .
I had one friend who let her sister use her computer and that was around the time when Microsoft released Windows 10 as an update which pissed off lots of people, her sister thought that she was just updating my friend's computer and she actually upgraded it to 10 and when it rebooted, it needed to create an account with a password, and her sister forgot what she put in, so my friend could not get into her own computer any more.
I've gotten the passwords on a couple other computers as well, for myself and for other friends.
There I go again, I didn't get the passwords, I changed them, but like I mentioned, affectively the same thing.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn / Lenny" <glennervin@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


> Any one of them that Carlos made that come up talking with NVDA, 10
> included.
> Glenn
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Majid Hussain" <mhussaincov93@...>
> To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:34 PM
> Subject: Re: Used computer
>
>
>> would you be talking about the talking windows 10 pe?
>> ??
>> Majid
>>
>> On 17/11/2019, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:
>>> If you burn the talking Win PE to disk or USB and boot up, you can
>>> detect all the passwords on your computer with a tool that is on it.
>>> That is the Win PE with eSpeak, not the one with Eloquence.
>>> Glenn
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@...>
>>> To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Used computer
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, no password can be bypassed by taking out a small piece.
>>> I still would like to know about Windows passwords and if they can
>>> really be
>>>
>>> discovered as easily as Glen and some others here say they can.
>>> As for Apple, what was said is correct. This case was when those two
>>> people
>>>
>>> shot and killed a bunch of people during this Christmas party I think in
>>> California and I think it was now 2 years ago or maybe even 3.
>>> Apple said they can't get into the iPhone which, by the way, was not as
>>> secure as today's iPhones are, and I think the FBI hired some Israeli
>>> company who tried to get in, millions were spent and I honestly can't
>>> remember if they succeeded or not.
>>> As for the Face Id thing and a thief pointing it at you that is only
>>> correct
>>>
>>> to some degree. If somebody snatched your iPhone and stuck around all
>>> you
>>> would have to do is cover your Face with your hands if you are worried.
>>> At
>>> the same time if a thief stuck around they could just as easily grab
>>> your
>>> hand and put your finger on the Touch Id home button or, even better,
>>> ask
>>> you for the passcode. If somebody is that callus I doubt a lot of people
>>> would keep their passcode to themselves after a few slaps or punches or
>>> being shoved to the ground and kicked a few times which some such
>>> thieves
>>> probably have few scruples to do.
>>> The fact is that even if he can unlock your phone once with Face Id, he
>>> has
>>>
>>> to make sure it doesn't lock and having unlocked it with Face Id or
>>> Touch Id
>>>
>>> won't do them any good if they want to reset the phone to sell it or
>>> even if
>>>
>>> they want to get into it and disable or change the Face Id/Touch Id/PIN
>>> option. As soon as you go to Settings > Passcode you have to enter you
>>> passcode. Apple security is indeed very good, even if your phone was
>>> stolen
>>>
>>> and they have your PIN, you could wipe the phone and permanently disable
>>> it
>>>
>>> if you quickly log into iCloud and Find My iPhone also cannot be
>>> disabled
>>> without the passcode, the only way to stop it from working is to turn
>>> off
>>> the phone.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty
>>> Hutchings
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:09 PM
>>> To: main@jfw.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: Used computer
>>>
>>> So would I.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Love in Christ
>>> Marty
>>> For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
>>> against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against
>>> the
>>> spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
>>> Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to
>>> resist
>>>
>>> in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
>>> Ephesians 6:12, 13
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dave Durber
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:19 AM
>>> To: main@jfw.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: Used computer
>>>
>>> I would love to know what that computer tech meant by taking out a small
>>> piece!
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@...>
>>> To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 6:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Used computer
>>>
>>>
>>> This entire security thing seems as farcical as face I D on iPhones.  In
>>> order to get into your iPhone all the thief needs to do is point the
>>> device
>>> at you and poof he or she can use your device. I'm sure I am wrong but a
>>> computer tech told me years ago all one needs to do to use a password
>>> protected computer is take out a small piece and then anyone can use it
>>> after that.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ratshtron
>>> Sent: November 16, 2019 8:17 AM
>>> To: main@jfw.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: Used computer
>>>
>>> try looking for a software called konboot that should allow you to log
>>> in
>>> to
>>> those accounts with a password and remove them I think.
>>> otherwise you may have to re--install windows thus removing everything
>>> on
>>> the system and starting from scratch.
>>>
>>>
>>> Legend has it that on Friday 11/15/2019 10:23 PM, Marty Hutchings said:
>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>>I have a used computer that a neighbor gave me.  It is a Windows7 OS.
>>>>It has 3 password protected user accounts on it that are using
>>>>2/3 of the hard drive space.  I don't know the passwords.  Is there any
>>>>way that I can remove these accounts?  Can this computer be restored to
>>>>factory fresh without a Windows 7 disk?
>>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> kind regards,
>> Majid Hussain
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>








moderated Re: Used computer

Marty Hutchings
 

Please pardon my ignorance here, but what is talking Win PE and how do I get it?



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

If you burn the talking Win PE to disk or USB and boot up, you can detect
all the passwords on your computer with a tool that is on it.
That is the Win PE with eSpeak, not the one with Eloquence.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <@Sieghard>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Yes, no password can be bypassed by taking out a small piece.
I still would like to know about Windows passwords and if they can really be
discovered as easily as Glen and some others here say they can.
As for Apple, what was said is correct. This case was when those two people
shot and killed a bunch of people during this Christmas party I think in
California and I think it was now 2 years ago or maybe even 3.
Apple said they can't get into the iPhone which, by the way, was not as
secure as today's iPhones are, and I think the FBI hired some Israeli
company who tried to get in, millions were spent and I honestly can't
remember if they succeeded or not.
As for the Face Id thing and a thief pointing it at you that is only correct
to some degree. If somebody snatched your iPhone and stuck around all you
would have to do is cover your Face with your hands if you are worried. At
the same time if a thief stuck around they could just as easily grab your
hand and put your finger on the Touch Id home button or, even better, ask
you for the passcode. If somebody is that callus I doubt a lot of people
would keep their passcode to themselves after a few slaps or punches or
being shoved to the ground and kicked a few times which some such thieves
probably have few scruples to do.
The fact is that even if he can unlock your phone once with Face Id, he has
to make sure it doesn't lock and having unlocked it with Face Id or Touch Id
won't do them any good if they want to reset the phone to sell it or even if
they want to get into it and disable or change the Face Id/Touch Id/PIN
option. As soon as you go to Settings > Passcode you have to enter you
passcode. Apple security is indeed very good, even if your phone was stolen
and they have your PIN, you could wipe the phone and permanently disable it
if you quickly log into iCloud and Find My iPhone also cannot be disabled
without the passcode, the only way to stop it from working is to turn off
the phone.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

So would I.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the
spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist
in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

I would love to know what that computer tech meant by taking out a small
piece!
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


This entire security thing seems as farcical as face I D on iPhones. In
order to get into your iPhone all the thief needs to do is point the device
at you and poof he or she can use your device. I'm sure I am wrong but a
computer tech told me years ago all one needs to do to use a password
protected computer is take out a small piece and then anyone can use it
after that.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ratshtron
Sent: November 16, 2019 8:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

try looking for a software called konboot that should allow you to log in to
those accounts with a password and remove them I think.
otherwise you may have to re--install windows thus removing everything on
the system and starting from scratch.


Legend has it that on Friday 11/15/2019 10:23 PM, Marty Hutchings said:
----------------------------------------
I have a used computer that a neighbor gave me. It is a Windows7 OS.
It has 3 password protected user accounts on it that are using
2/3 of the hard drive space. I don't know the passwords. Is there any
way that I can remove these accounts? Can this computer be restored to
factory fresh without a Windows 7 disk?
----------------------------------------


moderated Re: Used computer

Glenn / Lenny
 

I did this on Windows 10, and I could have done this on Windows 10 with a Windows 7 Win PE disk.
When Win PE loads, it is a separate operating system, and it is accessing the hard drive as though it was a drive just plugged into the computer.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer

My sister had a Windows seven HP computer when she tried to update it it would not except the update to Windows 10. Thus I think secret is right even if it could be restored who’s to say it would work with windows 10 installed.


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 1:17:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Cc: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Used computer
 
And then the question remains that if you did this a few years ago when Windows 10 first came out whether it it still possible today since every update brings security changes and enhancements.
I really would have been surprised if a password was stored somewhere in clear text where it could easily be retrieved.
I CC the Win 10 list here because there are some very good people on there including some from Microsoft and maybe they can clarify this. The question is:
If somebody was given a Windows 10 computer, let's assume it has a fairly recent version of Windows 10 like 1903 or at least 1809, are they utilities which can be easily obtained which would allow for the password to be retrieved or even changed to something new and by that I mean could I change the password on the main account without knowing the original?
I think this might be something joseph or Brian might be able to comment on.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

Now that I remember it, it's been a while since I've had to do this for someone who didn't have their password, I think the tool that comes on Win PE only allows you to change it, not retrieve it.
I believe passwords are encrypted into the registry and it would take some heavy duty encryption software to crack the encryption.
But whenever I change the password for someone, that is as good as knowing the original, as you then log into that account with the password you created and the original password is no longer valid.
It is all the product keys that you can display as well with that Win PE and that is what I recalled one of the utilities showing .
I had one friend who let her sister use her computer and that was around the time when Microsoft released Windows 10 as an update which pissed off lots of people, her sister thought that she was just updating my friend's computer and she actually upgraded it to 10 and when it rebooted, it needed to create an account with a password, and her sister forgot what she put in, so my friend could not get into her own computer any more.
I've gotten the passwords on a couple other computers as well, for myself and for other friends.
There I go again, I didn't get the passwords, I changed them, but like I mentioned, affectively the same thing.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn / Lenny" <glennervin@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


> Any one of them that Carlos made that come up talking with NVDA, 10
> included.
> Glenn
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Majid Hussain" <mhussaincov93@...>
> To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:34 PM
> Subject: Re: Used computer
>
>
>> would you be talking about the talking windows 10 pe?
>> ??
>> Majid
>>
>> On 17/11/2019, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:
>>> If you burn the talking Win PE to disk or USB and boot up, you can
>>> detect all the passwords on your computer with a tool that is on it.
>>> That is the Win PE with eSpeak, not the one with Eloquence.
>>> Glenn
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@...>
>>> To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Used computer
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, no password can be bypassed by taking out a small piece.
>>> I still would like to know about Windows passwords and if they can
>>> really be
>>>
>>> discovered as easily as Glen and some others here say they can.
>>> As for Apple, what was said is correct. This case was when those two
>>> people
>>>
>>> shot and killed a bunch of people during this Christmas party I think in
>>> California and I think it was now 2 years ago or maybe even 3.
>>> Apple said they can't get into the iPhone which, by the way, was not as
>>> secure as today's iPhones are, and I think the FBI hired some Israeli
>>> company who tried to get in, millions were spent and I honestly can't
>>> remember if they succeeded or not.
>>> As for the Face Id thing and a thief pointing it at you that is only
>>> correct
>>>
>>> to some degree. If somebody snatched your iPhone and stuck around all
>>> you
>>> would have to do is cover your Face with your hands if you are worried.
>>> At
>>> the same time if a thief stuck around they could just as easily grab
>>> your
>>> hand and put your finger on the Touch Id home button or, even better,
>>> ask
>>> you for the passcode. If somebody is that callus I doubt a lot of people
>>> would keep their passcode to themselves after a few slaps or punches or
>>> being shoved to the ground and kicked a few times which some such
>>> thieves
>>> probably have few scruples to do.
>>> The fact is that even if he can unlock your phone once with Face Id, he
>>> has
>>>
>>> to make sure it doesn't lock and having unlocked it with Face Id or
>>> Touch Id
>>>
>>> won't do them any good if they want to reset the phone to sell it or
>>> even if
>>>
>>> they want to get into it and disable or change the Face Id/Touch Id/PIN
>>> option. As soon as you go to Settings > Passcode you have to enter you
>>> passcode. Apple security is indeed very good, even if your phone was
>>> stolen
>>>
>>> and they have your PIN, you could wipe the phone and permanently disable
>>> it
>>>
>>> if you quickly log into iCloud and Find My iPhone also cannot be
>>> disabled
>>> without the passcode, the only way to stop it from working is to turn
>>> off
>>> the phone.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty
>>> Hutchings
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:09 PM
>>> To: main@jfw.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: Used computer
>>>
>>> So would I.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Love in Christ
>>> Marty
>>> For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
>>> against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against
>>> the
>>> spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
>>> Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to
>>> resist
>>>
>>> in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
>>> Ephesians 6:12, 13
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dave Durber
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:19 AM
>>> To: main@jfw.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: Used computer
>>>
>>> I would love to know what that computer tech meant by taking out a small
>>> piece!
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@...>
>>> To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 6:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Used computer
>>>
>>>
>>> This entire security thing seems as farcical as face I D on iPhones.  In
>>> order to get into your iPhone all the thief needs to do is point the
>>> device
>>> at you and poof he or she can use your device. I'm sure I am wrong but a
>>> computer tech told me years ago all one needs to do to use a password
>>> protected computer is take out a small piece and then anyone can use it
>>> after that.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ratshtron
>>> Sent: November 16, 2019 8:17 AM
>>> To: main@jfw.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: Used computer
>>>
>>> try looking for a software called konboot that should allow you to log
>>> in
>>> to
>>> those accounts with a password and remove them I think.
>>> otherwise you may have to re--install windows thus removing everything
>>> on
>>> the system and starting from scratch.
>>>
>>>
>>> Legend has it that on Friday 11/15/2019 10:23 PM, Marty Hutchings said:
>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>>I have a used computer that a neighbor gave me.  It is a Windows7 OS.
>>>>It has 3 password protected user accounts on it that are using
>>>>2/3 of the hard drive space.  I don't know the passwords.  Is there any
>>>>way that I can remove these accounts?  Can this computer be restored to
>>>>factory fresh without a Windows 7 disk?
>>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> kind regards,
>> Majid Hussain
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>








moderated Re: Used computer

Glenn / Lenny
 

Sieghard,
Windows passwords will always be able to be changed in this manner.
It is the nature of this information being in the registry for the system to make use of.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <@Sieghard>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Cc: <win10@win10.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


And then the question remains that if you did this a few years ago when Windows 10 first came out whether it it still possible today since every update brings security changes and enhancements.
I really would have been surprised if a password was stored somewhere in clear text where it could easily be retrieved.
I CC the Win 10 list here because there are some very good people on there including some from Microsoft and maybe they can clarify this. The question is:
If somebody was given a Windows 10 computer, let's assume it has a fairly recent version of Windows 10 like 1903 or at least 1809, are they utilities which can be easily obtained which would allow for the password to be retrieved or even changed to something new and by that I mean could I change the password on the main account without knowing the original?
I think this might be something joseph or Brian might be able to comment on.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

Now that I remember it, it's been a while since I've had to do this for someone who didn't have their password, I think the tool that comes on Win PE only allows you to change it, not retrieve it.
I believe passwords are encrypted into the registry and it would take some heavy duty encryption software to crack the encryption.
But whenever I change the password for someone, that is as good as knowing the original, as you then log into that account with the password you created and the original password is no longer valid.
It is all the product keys that you can display as well with that Win PE and that is what I recalled one of the utilities showing .
I had one friend who let her sister use her computer and that was around the time when Microsoft released Windows 10 as an update which pissed off lots of people, her sister thought that she was just updating my friend's computer and she actually upgraded it to 10 and when it rebooted, it needed to create an account with a password, and her sister forgot what she put in, so my friend could not get into her own computer any more.
I've gotten the passwords on a couple other computers as well, for myself and for other friends.
There I go again, I didn't get the passwords, I changed them, but like I mentioned, affectively the same thing.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn / Lenny" <glennervin@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Any one of them that Carlos made that come up talking with NVDA, 10
included.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Majid Hussain" <mhussaincov93@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


would you be talking about the talking windows 10 pe?
??
Majid

On 17/11/2019, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:
If you burn the talking Win PE to disk or USB and boot up, you can
detect all the passwords on your computer with a tool that is on it.
That is the Win PE with eSpeak, not the one with Eloquence.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <@Sieghard>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Yes, no password can be bypassed by taking out a small piece.
I still would like to know about Windows passwords and if they can
really be

discovered as easily as Glen and some others here say they can.
As for Apple, what was said is correct. This case was when those two
people

shot and killed a bunch of people during this Christmas party I think in
California and I think it was now 2 years ago or maybe even 3.
Apple said they can't get into the iPhone which, by the way, was not as
secure as today's iPhones are, and I think the FBI hired some Israeli
company who tried to get in, millions were spent and I honestly can't
remember if they succeeded or not.
As for the Face Id thing and a thief pointing it at you that is only
correct

to some degree. If somebody snatched your iPhone and stuck around all
you
would have to do is cover your Face with your hands if you are worried.
At
the same time if a thief stuck around they could just as easily grab
your
hand and put your finger on the Touch Id home button or, even better,
ask
you for the passcode. If somebody is that callus I doubt a lot of people
would keep their passcode to themselves after a few slaps or punches or
being shoved to the ground and kicked a few times which some such
thieves
probably have few scruples to do.
The fact is that even if he can unlock your phone once with Face Id, he
has

to make sure it doesn't lock and having unlocked it with Face Id or
Touch Id

won't do them any good if they want to reset the phone to sell it or
even if

they want to get into it and disable or change the Face Id/Touch Id/PIN
option. As soon as you go to Settings > Passcode you have to enter you
passcode. Apple security is indeed very good, even if your phone was
stolen

and they have your PIN, you could wipe the phone and permanently disable
it

if you quickly log into iCloud and Find My iPhone also cannot be
disabled
without the passcode, the only way to stop it from working is to turn
off
the phone.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty
Hutchings
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

So would I.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against
the
spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to
resist

in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

I would love to know what that computer tech meant by taking out a small
piece!
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


This entire security thing seems as farcical as face I D on iPhones. In
order to get into your iPhone all the thief needs to do is point the
device
at you and poof he or she can use your device. I'm sure I am wrong but a
computer tech told me years ago all one needs to do to use a password
protected computer is take out a small piece and then anyone can use it
after that.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ratshtron
Sent: November 16, 2019 8:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

try looking for a software called konboot that should allow you to log
in
to
those accounts with a password and remove them I think.
otherwise you may have to re--install windows thus removing everything
on
the system and starting from scratch.


Legend has it that on Friday 11/15/2019 10:23 PM, Marty Hutchings said:
----------------------------------------
I have a used computer that a neighbor gave me. It is a Windows7 OS.
It has 3 password protected user accounts on it that are using
2/3 of the hard drive space. I don't know the passwords. Is there any
way that I can remove these accounts? Can this computer be restored to
factory fresh without a Windows 7 disk?
----------------------------------------




















--
kind regards,
Majid Hussain










moderated Re: Used computer

David Diamond
 

My sister had a Windows seven HP computer when she tried to update it it would not except the update to Windows 10. Thus I think secret is right even if it could be restored who’s to say it would work with windows 10 installed.


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 1:17:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Cc: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Used computer
 
And then the question remains that if you did this a few years ago when Windows 10 first came out whether it it still possible today since every update brings security changes and enhancements.
I really would have been surprised if a password was stored somewhere in clear text where it could easily be retrieved.
I CC the Win 10 list here because there are some very good people on there including some from Microsoft and maybe they can clarify this. The question is:
If somebody was given a Windows 10 computer, let's assume it has a fairly recent version of Windows 10 like 1903 or at least 1809, are they utilities which can be easily obtained which would allow for the password to be retrieved or even changed to something new and by that I mean could I change the password on the main account without knowing the original?
I think this might be something joseph or Brian might be able to comment on.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

Now that I remember it, it's been a while since I've had to do this for someone who didn't have their password, I think the tool that comes on Win PE only allows you to change it, not retrieve it.
I believe passwords are encrypted into the registry and it would take some heavy duty encryption software to crack the encryption.
But whenever I change the password for someone, that is as good as knowing the original, as you then log into that account with the password you created and the original password is no longer valid.
It is all the product keys that you can display as well with that Win PE and that is what I recalled one of the utilities showing .
I had one friend who let her sister use her computer and that was around the time when Microsoft released Windows 10 as an update which pissed off lots of people, her sister thought that she was just updating my friend's computer and she actually upgraded it to 10 and when it rebooted, it needed to create an account with a password, and her sister forgot what she put in, so my friend could not get into her own computer any more.
I've gotten the passwords on a couple other computers as well, for myself and for other friends.
There I go again, I didn't get the passwords, I changed them, but like I mentioned, affectively the same thing.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn / Lenny" <glennervin@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


> Any one of them that Carlos made that come up talking with NVDA, 10
> included.
> Glenn
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Majid Hussain" <mhussaincov93@...>
> To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:34 PM
> Subject: Re: Used computer
>
>
>> would you be talking about the talking windows 10 pe?
>> ??
>> Majid
>>
>> On 17/11/2019, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:
>>> If you burn the talking Win PE to disk or USB and boot up, you can
>>> detect all the passwords on your computer with a tool that is on it.
>>> That is the Win PE with eSpeak, not the one with Eloquence.
>>> Glenn
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <sieghard@...>
>>> To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Used computer
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, no password can be bypassed by taking out a small piece.
>>> I still would like to know about Windows passwords and if they can
>>> really be
>>>
>>> discovered as easily as Glen and some others here say they can.
>>> As for Apple, what was said is correct. This case was when those two
>>> people
>>>
>>> shot and killed a bunch of people during this Christmas party I think in
>>> California and I think it was now 2 years ago or maybe even 3.
>>> Apple said they can't get into the iPhone which, by the way, was not as
>>> secure as today's iPhones are, and I think the FBI hired some Israeli
>>> company who tried to get in, millions were spent and I honestly can't
>>> remember if they succeeded or not.
>>> As for the Face Id thing and a thief pointing it at you that is only
>>> correct
>>>
>>> to some degree. If somebody snatched your iPhone and stuck around all
>>> you
>>> would have to do is cover your Face with your hands if you are worried.
>>> At
>>> the same time if a thief stuck around they could just as easily grab
>>> your
>>> hand and put your finger on the Touch Id home button or, even better,
>>> ask
>>> you for the passcode. If somebody is that callus I doubt a lot of people
>>> would keep their passcode to themselves after a few slaps or punches or
>>> being shoved to the ground and kicked a few times which some such
>>> thieves
>>> probably have few scruples to do.
>>> The fact is that even if he can unlock your phone once with Face Id, he
>>> has
>>>
>>> to make sure it doesn't lock and having unlocked it with Face Id or
>>> Touch Id
>>>
>>> won't do them any good if they want to reset the phone to sell it or
>>> even if
>>>
>>> they want to get into it and disable or change the Face Id/Touch Id/PIN
>>> option. As soon as you go to Settings > Passcode you have to enter you
>>> passcode. Apple security is indeed very good, even if your phone was
>>> stolen
>>>
>>> and they have your PIN, you could wipe the phone and permanently disable
>>> it
>>>
>>> if you quickly log into iCloud and Find My iPhone also cannot be
>>> disabled
>>> without the passcode, the only way to stop it from working is to turn
>>> off
>>> the phone.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty
>>> Hutchings
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:09 PM
>>> To: main@jfw.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: Used computer
>>>
>>> So would I.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Love in Christ
>>> Marty
>>> For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
>>> against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against
>>> the
>>> spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
>>> Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to
>>> resist
>>>
>>> in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
>>> Ephesians 6:12, 13
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dave Durber
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:19 AM
>>> To: main@jfw.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: Used computer
>>>
>>> I would love to know what that computer tech meant by taking out a small
>>> piece!
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@...>
>>> To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 6:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Used computer
>>>
>>>
>>> This entire security thing seems as farcical as face I D on iPhones.  In
>>> order to get into your iPhone all the thief needs to do is point the
>>> device
>>> at you and poof he or she can use your device. I'm sure I am wrong but a
>>> computer tech told me years ago all one needs to do to use a password
>>> protected computer is take out a small piece and then anyone can use it
>>> after that.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ratshtron
>>> Sent: November 16, 2019 8:17 AM
>>> To: main@jfw.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: Used computer
>>>
>>> try looking for a software called konboot that should allow you to log
>>> in
>>> to
>>> those accounts with a password and remove them I think.
>>> otherwise you may have to re--install windows thus removing everything
>>> on
>>> the system and starting from scratch.
>>>
>>>
>>> Legend has it that on Friday 11/15/2019 10:23 PM, Marty Hutchings said:
>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>>I have a used computer that a neighbor gave me.  It is a Windows7 OS.
>>>>It has 3 password protected user accounts on it that are using
>>>>2/3 of the hard drive space.  I don't know the passwords.  Is there any
>>>>way that I can remove these accounts?  Can this computer be restored to
>>>>factory fresh without a Windows 7 disk?
>>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> kind regards,
>> Majid Hussain
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>








moderated Re: Used computer

 

And then the question remains that if you did this a few years ago when Windows 10 first came out whether it it still possible today since every update brings security changes and enhancements.
I really would have been surprised if a password was stored somewhere in clear text where it could easily be retrieved.
I CC the Win 10 list here because there are some very good people on there including some from Microsoft and maybe they can clarify this. The question is:
If somebody was given a Windows 10 computer, let's assume it has a fairly recent version of Windows 10 like 1903 or at least 1809, are they utilities which can be easily obtained which would allow for the password to be retrieved or even changed to something new and by that I mean could I change the password on the main account without knowing the original?
I think this might be something joseph or Brian might be able to comment on.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

Now that I remember it, it's been a while since I've had to do this for someone who didn't have their password, I think the tool that comes on Win PE only allows you to change it, not retrieve it.
I believe passwords are encrypted into the registry and it would take some heavy duty encryption software to crack the encryption.
But whenever I change the password for someone, that is as good as knowing the original, as you then log into that account with the password you created and the original password is no longer valid.
It is all the product keys that you can display as well with that Win PE and that is what I recalled one of the utilities showing .
I had one friend who let her sister use her computer and that was around the time when Microsoft released Windows 10 as an update which pissed off lots of people, her sister thought that she was just updating my friend's computer and she actually upgraded it to 10 and when it rebooted, it needed to create an account with a password, and her sister forgot what she put in, so my friend could not get into her own computer any more.
I've gotten the passwords on a couple other computers as well, for myself and for other friends.
There I go again, I didn't get the passwords, I changed them, but like I mentioned, affectively the same thing.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn / Lenny" <glennervin@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Any one of them that Carlos made that come up talking with NVDA, 10
included.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Majid Hussain" <mhussaincov93@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


would you be talking about the talking windows 10 pe?
??
Majid

On 17/11/2019, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:
If you burn the talking Win PE to disk or USB and boot up, you can
detect all the passwords on your computer with a tool that is on it.
That is the Win PE with eSpeak, not the one with Eloquence.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <@Sieghard>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Yes, no password can be bypassed by taking out a small piece.
I still would like to know about Windows passwords and if they can
really be

discovered as easily as Glen and some others here say they can.
As for Apple, what was said is correct. This case was when those two
people

shot and killed a bunch of people during this Christmas party I think in
California and I think it was now 2 years ago or maybe even 3.
Apple said they can't get into the iPhone which, by the way, was not as
secure as today's iPhones are, and I think the FBI hired some Israeli
company who tried to get in, millions were spent and I honestly can't
remember if they succeeded or not.
As for the Face Id thing and a thief pointing it at you that is only
correct

to some degree. If somebody snatched your iPhone and stuck around all
you
would have to do is cover your Face with your hands if you are worried.
At
the same time if a thief stuck around they could just as easily grab
your
hand and put your finger on the Touch Id home button or, even better,
ask
you for the passcode. If somebody is that callus I doubt a lot of people
would keep their passcode to themselves after a few slaps or punches or
being shoved to the ground and kicked a few times which some such
thieves
probably have few scruples to do.
The fact is that even if he can unlock your phone once with Face Id, he
has

to make sure it doesn't lock and having unlocked it with Face Id or
Touch Id

won't do them any good if they want to reset the phone to sell it or
even if

they want to get into it and disable or change the Face Id/Touch Id/PIN
option. As soon as you go to Settings > Passcode you have to enter you
passcode. Apple security is indeed very good, even if your phone was
stolen

and they have your PIN, you could wipe the phone and permanently disable
it

if you quickly log into iCloud and Find My iPhone also cannot be
disabled
without the passcode, the only way to stop it from working is to turn
off
the phone.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty
Hutchings
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

So would I.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against
the
spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to
resist

in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

I would love to know what that computer tech meant by taking out a small
piece!
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


This entire security thing seems as farcical as face I D on iPhones. In
order to get into your iPhone all the thief needs to do is point the
device
at you and poof he or she can use your device. I'm sure I am wrong but a
computer tech told me years ago all one needs to do to use a password
protected computer is take out a small piece and then anyone can use it
after that.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ratshtron
Sent: November 16, 2019 8:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

try looking for a software called konboot that should allow you to log
in
to
those accounts with a password and remove them I think.
otherwise you may have to re--install windows thus removing everything
on
the system and starting from scratch.


Legend has it that on Friday 11/15/2019 10:23 PM, Marty Hutchings said:
----------------------------------------
I have a used computer that a neighbor gave me. It is a Windows7 OS.
It has 3 password protected user accounts on it that are using
2/3 of the hard drive space. I don't know the passwords. Is there any
way that I can remove these accounts? Can this computer be restored to
factory fresh without a Windows 7 disk?
----------------------------------------




















--
kind regards,
Majid Hussain





moderated Re: Used computer

Glenn / Lenny
 

Now that I remember it, it's been a while since I've had to do this for someone who didn't have their password, I think the tool that comes on Win PE only allows you to change it, not retrieve it.
I believe passwords are encrypted into the registry and it would take some heavy duty encryption software to crack the encryption.
But whenever I change the password for someone, that is as good as knowing the original, as you then log into that account with the password you created and the original password is no longer valid.
It is all the product keys that you can display as well with that Win PE and that is what I recalled one of the utilities showing .
I had one friend who let her sister use her computer and that was around the time when Microsoft released Windows 10 as an update which pissed off lots of people, her sister thought that she was just updating my friend's computer and she actually upgraded it to 10 and when it rebooted, it needed to create an account with a password, and her sister forgot what she put in, so my friend could not get into her own computer any more.
I've gotten the passwords on a couple other computers as well, for myself and for other friends.
There I go again, I didn't get the passwords, I changed them, but like I mentioned, affectively the same thing.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn / Lenny" <glennervin@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Any one of them that Carlos made that come up talking with NVDA, 10 included.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Majid Hussain" <mhussaincov93@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


would you be talking about the talking windows 10 pe?
??
Majid

On 17/11/2019, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:
If you burn the talking Win PE to disk or USB and boot up, you can detect
all the passwords on your computer with a tool that is on it.
That is the Win PE with eSpeak, not the one with Eloquence.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <@Sieghard>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Yes, no password can be bypassed by taking out a small piece.
I still would like to know about Windows passwords and if they can really be

discovered as easily as Glen and some others here say they can.
As for Apple, what was said is correct. This case was when those two people

shot and killed a bunch of people during this Christmas party I think in
California and I think it was now 2 years ago or maybe even 3.
Apple said they can't get into the iPhone which, by the way, was not as
secure as today's iPhones are, and I think the FBI hired some Israeli
company who tried to get in, millions were spent and I honestly can't
remember if they succeeded or not.
As for the Face Id thing and a thief pointing it at you that is only correct

to some degree. If somebody snatched your iPhone and stuck around all you
would have to do is cover your Face with your hands if you are worried. At
the same time if a thief stuck around they could just as easily grab your
hand and put your finger on the Touch Id home button or, even better, ask
you for the passcode. If somebody is that callus I doubt a lot of people
would keep their passcode to themselves after a few slaps or punches or
being shoved to the ground and kicked a few times which some such thieves
probably have few scruples to do.
The fact is that even if he can unlock your phone once with Face Id, he has

to make sure it doesn't lock and having unlocked it with Face Id or Touch Id

won't do them any good if they want to reset the phone to sell it or even if

they want to get into it and disable or change the Face Id/Touch Id/PIN
option. As soon as you go to Settings > Passcode you have to enter you
passcode. Apple security is indeed very good, even if your phone was stolen

and they have your PIN, you could wipe the phone and permanently disable it

if you quickly log into iCloud and Find My iPhone also cannot be disabled
without the passcode, the only way to stop it from working is to turn off
the phone.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

So would I.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the
spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist

in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

I would love to know what that computer tech meant by taking out a small
piece!
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


This entire security thing seems as farcical as face I D on iPhones. In
order to get into your iPhone all the thief needs to do is point the device
at you and poof he or she can use your device. I'm sure I am wrong but a
computer tech told me years ago all one needs to do to use a password
protected computer is take out a small piece and then anyone can use it
after that.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ratshtron
Sent: November 16, 2019 8:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

try looking for a software called konboot that should allow you to log in
to
those accounts with a password and remove them I think.
otherwise you may have to re--install windows thus removing everything on
the system and starting from scratch.


Legend has it that on Friday 11/15/2019 10:23 PM, Marty Hutchings said:
----------------------------------------
I have a used computer that a neighbor gave me. It is a Windows7 OS.
It has 3 password protected user accounts on it that are using
2/3 of the hard drive space. I don't know the passwords. Is there any
way that I can remove these accounts? Can this computer be restored to
factory fresh without a Windows 7 disk?
----------------------------------------




















--
kind regards,
Majid Hussain




moderated Re: Synthesizers Missing after Installation

 

And if you are using Windows 10 I don't even want to know how many features such an old version of NVDA doesn't support.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 10:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Synthesizers Missing after Installation

That's Dectalk Access, the software version, right? Not the external Dectalk Express synthesizer. Dectalk USB, another synth but sadly not as good, may also be available, but not from Vispero.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Samuel Villa
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Synthesizers Missing after Installation

JAWS does support the DecTalk
Synthesizer. However, you have to purchase it from FreedomScientific. Hope this helps.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 8:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Synthesizers Missing after Installation

i don't think jaws supports the dectalk synth anymore. and if it does, isn't the dectalk a sapi4 synth?
----Original Message-----
From: Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 8:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Synthesizers Missing after Installation


Hi Annabelle,
It's been a while, but it seems like you need to select SAPI 5 and then select Eloquence.
It's been a while, so perhaps I'm wrong, but give that a try.
I also tried the dectalk once and it didn't show up for me either.
If my Elloquence suggestion does not work, you might need to try a different Eloquence.
I could send you one.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Annabelle Susan Morison
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 10:08 PM
Subject: NVDA: Synthesizers Missing after Installation

Hi, it's Annabelle.
I know this might be a bit off topic, but I've installed some synthesizers for NVDA, but it seems the "Eloquence" and "Dectalk" synthesizers don't show up in the list, despite the fact that NVDA says they're installed. What do I do next?
Have I forgotten something?


moderated Re: Used computer

Glenn / Lenny
 

Any one of them that Carlos made that come up talking with NVDA, 10 included.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Majid Hussain" <mhussaincov93@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


would you be talking about the talking windows 10 pe?
??
Majid

On 17/11/2019, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:
If you burn the talking Win PE to disk or USB and boot up, you can detect
all the passwords on your computer with a tool that is on it.
That is the Win PE with eSpeak, not the one with Eloquence.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <@Sieghard>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Yes, no password can be bypassed by taking out a small piece.
I still would like to know about Windows passwords and if they can really be

discovered as easily as Glen and some others here say they can.
As for Apple, what was said is correct. This case was when those two people

shot and killed a bunch of people during this Christmas party I think in
California and I think it was now 2 years ago or maybe even 3.
Apple said they can't get into the iPhone which, by the way, was not as
secure as today's iPhones are, and I think the FBI hired some Israeli
company who tried to get in, millions were spent and I honestly can't
remember if they succeeded or not.
As for the Face Id thing and a thief pointing it at you that is only correct

to some degree. If somebody snatched your iPhone and stuck around all you
would have to do is cover your Face with your hands if you are worried. At
the same time if a thief stuck around they could just as easily grab your
hand and put your finger on the Touch Id home button or, even better, ask
you for the passcode. If somebody is that callus I doubt a lot of people
would keep their passcode to themselves after a few slaps or punches or
being shoved to the ground and kicked a few times which some such thieves
probably have few scruples to do.
The fact is that even if he can unlock your phone once with Face Id, he has

to make sure it doesn't lock and having unlocked it with Face Id or Touch Id

won't do them any good if they want to reset the phone to sell it or even if

they want to get into it and disable or change the Face Id/Touch Id/PIN
option. As soon as you go to Settings > Passcode you have to enter you
passcode. Apple security is indeed very good, even if your phone was stolen

and they have your PIN, you could wipe the phone and permanently disable it

if you quickly log into iCloud and Find My iPhone also cannot be disabled
without the passcode, the only way to stop it from working is to turn off
the phone.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

So would I.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the
spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist

in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

I would love to know what that computer tech meant by taking out a small
piece!
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


This entire security thing seems as farcical as face I D on iPhones. In
order to get into your iPhone all the thief needs to do is point the device
at you and poof he or she can use your device. I'm sure I am wrong but a
computer tech told me years ago all one needs to do to use a password
protected computer is take out a small piece and then anyone can use it
after that.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ratshtron
Sent: November 16, 2019 8:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

try looking for a software called konboot that should allow you to log in
to
those accounts with a password and remove them I think.
otherwise you may have to re--install windows thus removing everything on
the system and starting from scratch.


Legend has it that on Friday 11/15/2019 10:23 PM, Marty Hutchings said:
----------------------------------------
I have a used computer that a neighbor gave me. It is a Windows7 OS.
It has 3 password protected user accounts on it that are using
2/3 of the hard drive space. I don't know the passwords. Is there any
way that I can remove these accounts? Can this computer be restored to
factory fresh without a Windows 7 disk?
----------------------------------------




















--
kind regards,
Majid Hussain


moderated Re: Used computer

Majid Hussain
 

would you be talking about the talking windows 10 pe?
??
Majid

On 17/11/2019, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:
If you burn the talking Win PE to disk or USB and boot up, you can detect
all the passwords on your computer with a tool that is on it.
That is the Win PE with eSpeak, not the one with Eloquence.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <@Sieghard>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Yes, no password can be bypassed by taking out a small piece.
I still would like to know about Windows passwords and if they can really be

discovered as easily as Glen and some others here say they can.
As for Apple, what was said is correct. This case was when those two people

shot and killed a bunch of people during this Christmas party I think in
California and I think it was now 2 years ago or maybe even 3.
Apple said they can't get into the iPhone which, by the way, was not as
secure as today's iPhones are, and I think the FBI hired some Israeli
company who tried to get in, millions were spent and I honestly can't
remember if they succeeded or not.
As for the Face Id thing and a thief pointing it at you that is only correct

to some degree. If somebody snatched your iPhone and stuck around all you
would have to do is cover your Face with your hands if you are worried. At
the same time if a thief stuck around they could just as easily grab your
hand and put your finger on the Touch Id home button or, even better, ask
you for the passcode. If somebody is that callus I doubt a lot of people
would keep their passcode to themselves after a few slaps or punches or
being shoved to the ground and kicked a few times which some such thieves
probably have few scruples to do.
The fact is that even if he can unlock your phone once with Face Id, he has

to make sure it doesn't lock and having unlocked it with Face Id or Touch Id

won't do them any good if they want to reset the phone to sell it or even if

they want to get into it and disable or change the Face Id/Touch Id/PIN
option. As soon as you go to Settings > Passcode you have to enter you
passcode. Apple security is indeed very good, even if your phone was stolen

and they have your PIN, you could wipe the phone and permanently disable it

if you quickly log into iCloud and Find My iPhone also cannot be disabled
without the passcode, the only way to stop it from working is to turn off
the phone.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

So would I.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the
spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist

in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

I would love to know what that computer tech meant by taking out a small
piece!
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


This entire security thing seems as farcical as face I D on iPhones. In
order to get into your iPhone all the thief needs to do is point the device
at you and poof he or she can use your device. I'm sure I am wrong but a
computer tech told me years ago all one needs to do to use a password
protected computer is take out a small piece and then anyone can use it
after that.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ratshtron
Sent: November 16, 2019 8:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

try looking for a software called konboot that should allow you to log in
to
those accounts with a password and remove them I think.
otherwise you may have to re--install windows thus removing everything on
the system and starting from scratch.


Legend has it that on Friday 11/15/2019 10:23 PM, Marty Hutchings said:
----------------------------------------
I have a used computer that a neighbor gave me. It is a Windows7 OS.
It has 3 password protected user accounts on it that are using
2/3 of the hard drive space. I don't know the passwords. Is there any
way that I can remove these accounts? Can this computer be restored to
factory fresh without a Windows 7 disk?
----------------------------------------



















--
kind regards,
Majid Hussain


moderated Re: Used computer

Glenn / Lenny
 

If you burn the talking Win PE to disk or USB and boot up, you can detect all the passwords on your computer with a tool that is on it.
That is the Win PE with eSpeak, not the one with Eloquence.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <@Sieghard>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


Yes, no password can be bypassed by taking out a small piece.
I still would like to know about Windows passwords and if they can really be discovered as easily as Glen and some others here say they can.
As for Apple, what was said is correct. This case was when those two people shot and killed a bunch of people during this Christmas party I think in California and I think it was now 2 years ago or maybe even 3.
Apple said they can't get into the iPhone which, by the way, was not as secure as today's iPhones are, and I think the FBI hired some Israeli company who tried to get in, millions were spent and I honestly can't remember if they succeeded or not.
As for the Face Id thing and a thief pointing it at you that is only correct to some degree. If somebody snatched your iPhone and stuck around all you would have to do is cover your Face with your hands if you are worried. At the same time if a thief stuck around they could just as easily grab your hand and put your finger on the Touch Id home button or, even better, ask you for the passcode. If somebody is that callus I doubt a lot of people would keep their passcode to themselves after a few slaps or punches or being shoved to the ground and kicked a few times which some such thieves probably have few scruples to do.
The fact is that even if he can unlock your phone once with Face Id, he has to make sure it doesn't lock and having unlocked it with Face Id or Touch Id won't do them any good if they want to reset the phone to sell it or even if they want to get into it and disable or change the Face Id/Touch Id/PIN option. As soon as you go to Settings > Passcode you have to enter you passcode. Apple security is indeed very good, even if your phone was stolen and they have your PIN, you could wipe the phone and permanently disable it if you quickly log into iCloud and Find My iPhone also cannot be disabled without the passcode, the only way to stop it from working is to turn off the phone.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

So would I.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

I would love to know what that computer tech meant by taking out a small piece!
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


This entire security thing seems as farcical as face I D on iPhones. In
order to get into your iPhone all the thief needs to do is point the device
at you and poof he or she can use your device. I'm sure I am wrong but a
computer tech told me years ago all one needs to do to use a password
protected computer is take out a small piece and then anyone can use it
after that.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ratshtron
Sent: November 16, 2019 8:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

try looking for a software called konboot that should allow you to log in to
those accounts with a password and remove them I think.
otherwise you may have to re--install windows thus removing everything on
the system and starting from scratch.


Legend has it that on Friday 11/15/2019 10:23 PM, Marty Hutchings said:
----------------------------------------
I have a used computer that a neighbor gave me. It is a Windows7 OS.
It has 3 password protected user accounts on it that are using
2/3 of the hard drive space. I don't know the passwords. Is there any
way that I can remove these accounts? Can this computer be restored to
factory fresh without a Windows 7 disk?
----------------------------------------


moderated Re: Used computer

 

Yes, no password can be bypassed by taking out a small piece.
I still would like to know about Windows passwords and if they can really be discovered as easily as Glen and some others here say they can.
As for Apple, what was said is correct. This case was when those two people shot and killed a bunch of people during this Christmas party I think in California and I think it was now 2 years ago or maybe even 3.
Apple said they can't get into the iPhone which, by the way, was not as secure as today's iPhones are, and I think the FBI hired some Israeli company who tried to get in, millions were spent and I honestly can't remember if they succeeded or not.
As for the Face Id thing and a thief pointing it at you that is only correct to some degree. If somebody snatched your iPhone and stuck around all you would have to do is cover your Face with your hands if you are worried. At the same time if a thief stuck around they could just as easily grab your hand and put your finger on the Touch Id home button or, even better, ask you for the passcode. If somebody is that callus I doubt a lot of people would keep their passcode to themselves after a few slaps or punches or being shoved to the ground and kicked a few times which some such thieves probably have few scruples to do.
The fact is that even if he can unlock your phone once with Face Id, he has to make sure it doesn't lock and having unlocked it with Face Id or Touch Id won't do them any good if they want to reset the phone to sell it or even if they want to get into it and disable or change the Face Id/Touch Id/PIN option. As soon as you go to Settings > Passcode you have to enter you passcode. Apple security is indeed very good, even if your phone was stolen and they have your PIN, you could wipe the phone and permanently disable it if you quickly log into iCloud and Find My iPhone also cannot be disabled without the passcode, the only way to stop it from working is to turn off the phone.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

So would I.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

I would love to know what that computer tech meant by taking out a small piece!
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


This entire security thing seems as farcical as face I D on iPhones. In
order to get into your iPhone all the thief needs to do is point the device
at you and poof he or she can use your device. I'm sure I am wrong but a
computer tech told me years ago all one needs to do to use a password
protected computer is take out a small piece and then anyone can use it
after that.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ratshtron
Sent: November 16, 2019 8:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

try looking for a software called konboot that should allow you to log in to
those accounts with a password and remove them I think.
otherwise you may have to re--install windows thus removing everything on
the system and starting from scratch.


Legend has it that on Friday 11/15/2019 10:23 PM, Marty Hutchings said:
----------------------------------------
I have a used computer that a neighbor gave me. It is a Windows7 OS.
It has 3 password protected user accounts on it that are using
2/3 of the hard drive space. I don't know the passwords. Is there any
way that I can remove these accounts? Can this computer be restored to
factory fresh without a Windows 7 disk?
----------------------------------------


moderated Re: Used computer

Marty Hutchings
 

So would I.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

I would love to know what that computer tech meant by taking out a small
piece!
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


This entire security thing seems as farcical as face I D on iPhones. In
order to get into your iPhone all the thief needs to do is point the device
at you and poof he or she can use your device. I'm sure I am wrong but a
computer tech told me years ago all one needs to do to use a password
protected computer is take out a small piece and then anyone can use it
after that.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ratshtron
Sent: November 16, 2019 8:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

try looking for a software called konboot that should allow you to log in to
those accounts with a password and remove them I think.
otherwise you may have to re--install windows thus removing everything on
the system and starting from scratch.


Legend has it that on Friday 11/15/2019 10:23 PM, Marty Hutchings said:
----------------------------------------
I have a used computer that a neighbor gave me. It is a Windows7 OS.
It has 3 password protected user accounts on it that are using
2/3 of the hard drive space. I don't know the passwords. Is there any
way that I can remove these accounts? Can this computer be restored to
factory fresh without a Windows 7 disk?
----------------------------------------