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moderated Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

James Homuth
 

You must have missed the part of the thread where I said I did that already to fix another issue.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 11:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

Still not buying the jaws restarting because the machine is slow.  I suspect you are having some other problem, but then again, I have not tried running jaws 2019 on a slow of a processor as that one is.  I’d either chuck it or reformat it.

Some things aren’t worth the diagnostic time required to figure out what the real problem is.  I’d back the thing up, put a fresh copy of windows on it and see if it works right.  If it doesn’t, at least you’d know you did all you could do.

 

 

 


On Jun 24, 2019, at 10:39, James Homuth <james@...> wrote:

Yeah, see, I’ve done that with this machine and it’s looked at me like okay, what else you got? That’s how I know it’s not the PC. I’ve also run VM’s on here with Exchange, SQL server and the like for school, and the thing wasn’t even breathing hard. You’re trying to tell me it can run a Windows Server 2012 VM with resource-hungry Exchange, but it can’t run latest JAWS? I’m not buying. LOL

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 10:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

 

Sad.  You really have to watch laptop processors.  I bought a "gaming" laptop that is about a year and a half old with a 7th generation core i5, and it is barely faster than this 5.5 year old desktop with an i5-4430.  If you want to keep a laptop a long time, buy the fastest processor available at that time. 

 

I don't really think being logged into multiple servers is going to push a processor all that hard.  Running ocr on a big batch job or using something to make the audio level consistent on a huge batch of mp3 files will really push a system.

 

 

On 6/24/2019 09:23, James Homuth wrote:

Eh. It’s just about 4 years old. I’ve had desktops acting as servers that have lasted longer (last one was 8 before the motherboard finally gave it up). It lets me log into multiple servers at once and doesn’t choke, which is probably a good benchmark for anything. At any given point the only casualty is JAWS, and only versions of JAWS that auto restart. Hand me a version that doesn’t have the auto restart functionality and it’ll run like a champ.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 10:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

 

 

Well, it is getting on in years.  I'm guessing it is in a laptop since my i5-4430 desktop is about three times faster even though it is a generation older.  Unfortunately, buying a laptop often means you get a nice looking box with a slow processor in it.

 

 

On 6/24/2019 09:01, James Homuth wrote:

Core i5-5200U at 2.20 GHZ. Pair that with 8 GB of RAM. It’s not screaming, but it takes a lot to make this machine sweat.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 9:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

Very interesting.  How slow is this computer?  What processor are we talking about here?

 

 

On 6/24/2019 07:57, James Homuth wrote:

I do this for a living. Trust me, my PC is very stable. Also I did say I can do the exact same things with JAWS 14 and the software doesn’t crash. JAWS has been repaired, uninstalled, reinstalled, upgraded, then reinstalled again just for amusement. To fix another issue the OS was reinstalled not all that long ago. Trust me. It’s not the PC.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

That's the strangest claim I've ever heard.  I suspect your pc is unstable, you might want to start with a check of the hard drive using chkdsk.  If that passes, scan it for viruses and malware then reinstall jaws if none of that helps. 

 

 

On 6/24/2019 05:46, James Homuth wrote:

Here’s the situation. My PC is not as fast as it could be. It’s also going to be replaced just as soon as I have the financial room to do it. But it’s not unstable, by any means—just sometimes it likes to take a couple seconds longer than it should to do certain things. The problem is, and I notice this fairly consistently, JAWS likes to assume it’s the problem when my PC does that, and so will kill itself, try and restart, and basically throw me off of whatever I’m working on. I was right in the middle of reading something tonight, the backup process kicked in, and JAWS committed suicide. Keep in mind, JAWS was perfectly stable. My system was perfectly stable. Just the CPU had run up above 50% for a few minutes.

 

I’d stuck with 14 for as long as I did because of that “feature” (for those with them disabled, the word “feature” is in quotes), but the list of currently available programs that 14 will still actually work with gets shorter on the daily. So I upgraded. Admittedly mostly for Office 365 (my work uses Exchange, and the newer versions of Exchange don’t work with Outlook 2003), but being perfectly honest the ability to use things like Chrome doesn’t hurt either.

 

My question: have they invented a way yet to tell JAWS not to have such an inferiority complex? I mean I get it—2019 isn’t exactly a bug free release, but the biggest reason if you’re me for JAWS taking a dive isn’t because it’s having a problem, but because it’s assuming it’s having a problem. It makes finding the actual problem slightly more annoying than it needs to be—I do have NVDA on here, but by the time I get that loaded whatever hung the system and tripped JAWS up has stopped hanging the system and JAWS has tripped for nothing. Any suggestions, or are we stuck waiting to see if FS realises that not every issue can be solved by restarting the program, particularly when the program being restarted isn’t the issue in the first place?

moderated Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

Chris Hill
 

Still not buying the jaws restarting because the machine is slow.  I suspect you are having some other problem, but then again, I have not tried running jaws 2019 on a slow of a processor as that one is.  I’d either chuck it or reformat it.
Some things aren’t worth the diagnostic time required to figure out what the real problem is.  I’d back the thing up, put a fresh copy of windows on it and see if it works right.  If it doesn’t, at least you’d know you did all you could do.





On Jun 24, 2019, at 10:39, James Homuth <james@...> wrote:

Yeah, see, I’ve done that with this machine and it’s looked at me like okay, what else you got? That’s how I know it’s not the PC. I’ve also run VM’s on here with Exchange, SQL server and the like for school, and the thing wasn’t even breathing hard. You’re trying to tell me it can run a Windows Server 2012 VM with resource-hungry Exchange, but it can’t run latest JAWS? I’m not buying. LOL

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 10:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

 

Sad.  You really have to watch laptop processors.  I bought a "gaming" laptop that is about a year and a half old with a 7th generation core i5, and it is barely faster than this 5.5 year old desktop with an i5-4430.  If you want to keep a laptop a long time, buy the fastest processor available at that time. 

 

I don't really think being logged into multiple servers is going to push a processor all that hard.  Running ocr on a big batch job or using something to make the audio level consistent on a huge batch of mp3 files will really push a system.

 

 

On 6/24/2019 09:23, James Homuth wrote:

Eh. It’s just about 4 years old. I’ve had desktops acting as servers that have lasted longer (last one was 8 before the motherboard finally gave it up). It lets me log into multiple servers at once and doesn’t choke, which is probably a good benchmark for anything. At any given point the only casualty is JAWS, and only versions of JAWS that auto restart. Hand me a version that doesn’t have the auto restart functionality and it’ll run like a champ.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 10:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

 

 

Well, it is getting on in years.  I'm guessing it is in a laptop since my i5-4430 desktop is about three times faster even though it is a generation older.  Unfortunately, buying a laptop often means you get a nice looking box with a slow processor in it.

 

 

On 6/24/2019 09:01, James Homuth wrote:

Core i5-5200U at 2.20 GHZ. Pair that with 8 GB of RAM. It’s not screaming, but it takes a lot to make this machine sweat.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 9:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

Very interesting.  How slow is this computer?  What processor are we talking about here?

 

 

On 6/24/2019 07:57, James Homuth wrote:

I do this for a living. Trust me, my PC is very stable. Also I did say I can do the exact same things with JAWS 14 and the software doesn’t crash. JAWS has been repaired, uninstalled, reinstalled, upgraded, then reinstalled again just for amusement. To fix another issue the OS was reinstalled not all that long ago. Trust me. It’s not the PC.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

That's the strangest claim I've ever heard.  I suspect your pc is unstable, you might want to start with a check of the hard drive using chkdsk.  If that passes, scan it for viruses and malware then reinstall jaws if none of that helps. 

 

 

On 6/24/2019 05:46, James Homuth wrote:

Here’s the situation. My PC is not as fast as it could be. It’s also going to be replaced just as soon as I have the financial room to do it. But it’s not unstable, by any means—just sometimes it likes to take a couple seconds longer than it should to do certain things. The problem is, and I notice this fairly consistently, JAWS likes to assume it’s the problem when my PC does that, and so will kill itself, try and restart, and basically throw me off of whatever I’m working on. I was right in the middle of reading something tonight, the backup process kicked in, and JAWS committed suicide. Keep in mind, JAWS was perfectly stable. My system was perfectly stable. Just the CPU had run up above 50% for a few minutes.

 

I’d stuck with 14 for as long as I did because of that “feature” (for those with them disabled, the word “feature” is in quotes), but the list of currently available programs that 14 will still actually work with gets shorter on the daily. So I upgraded. Admittedly mostly for Office 365 (my work uses Exchange, and the newer versions of Exchange don’t work with Outlook 2003), but being perfectly honest the ability to use things like Chrome doesn’t hurt either.

 

My question: have they invented a way yet to tell JAWS not to have such an inferiority complex? I mean I get it—2019 isn’t exactly a bug free release, but the biggest reason if you’re me for JAWS taking a dive isn’t because it’s having a problem, but because it’s assuming it’s having a problem. It makes finding the actual problem slightly more annoying than it needs to be—I do have NVDA on here, but by the time I get that loaded whatever hung the system and tripped JAWS up has stopped hanging the system and JAWS has tripped for nothing. Any suggestions, or are we stuck waiting to see if FS realises that not every issue can be solved by restarting the program, particularly when the program being restarted isn’t the issue in the first place?

moderated Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

James Homuth
 

Yeah, see, I’ve done that with this machine and it’s looked at me like okay, what else you got? That’s how I know it’s not the PC. I’ve also run VM’s on here with Exchange, SQL server and the like for school, and the thing wasn’t even breathing hard. You’re trying to tell me it can run a Windows Server 2012 VM with resource-hungry Exchange, but it can’t run latest JAWS? I’m not buying. LOL

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 10:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

 

Sad.  You really have to watch laptop processors.  I bought a "gaming" laptop that is about a year and a half old with a 7th generation core i5, and it is barely faster than this 5.5 year old desktop with an i5-4430.  If you want to keep a laptop a long time, buy the fastest processor available at that time. 

 

I don't really think being logged into multiple servers is going to push a processor all that hard.  Running ocr on a big batch job or using something to make the audio level consistent on a huge batch of mp3 files will really push a system.

 

 

On 6/24/2019 09:23, James Homuth wrote:

Eh. It’s just about 4 years old. I’ve had desktops acting as servers that have lasted longer (last one was 8 before the motherboard finally gave it up). It lets me log into multiple servers at once and doesn’t choke, which is probably a good benchmark for anything. At any given point the only casualty is JAWS, and only versions of JAWS that auto restart. Hand me a version that doesn’t have the auto restart functionality and it’ll run like a champ.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 10:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

 

 

Well, it is getting on in years.  I'm guessing it is in a laptop since my i5-4430 desktop is about three times faster even though it is a generation older.  Unfortunately, buying a laptop often means you get a nice looking box with a slow processor in it.

 

 

On 6/24/2019 09:01, James Homuth wrote:

Core i5-5200U at 2.20 GHZ. Pair that with 8 GB of RAM. It’s not screaming, but it takes a lot to make this machine sweat.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 9:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

Very interesting.  How slow is this computer?  What processor are we talking about here?

 

 

On 6/24/2019 07:57, James Homuth wrote:

I do this for a living. Trust me, my PC is very stable. Also I did say I can do the exact same things with JAWS 14 and the software doesn’t crash. JAWS has been repaired, uninstalled, reinstalled, upgraded, then reinstalled again just for amusement. To fix another issue the OS was reinstalled not all that long ago. Trust me. It’s not the PC.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

That's the strangest claim I've ever heard.  I suspect your pc is unstable, you might want to start with a check of the hard drive using chkdsk.  If that passes, scan it for viruses and malware then reinstall jaws if none of that helps. 

 

 

On 6/24/2019 05:46, James Homuth wrote:

Here’s the situation. My PC is not as fast as it could be. It’s also going to be replaced just as soon as I have the financial room to do it. But it’s not unstable, by any means—just sometimes it likes to take a couple seconds longer than it should to do certain things. The problem is, and I notice this fairly consistently, JAWS likes to assume it’s the problem when my PC does that, and so will kill itself, try and restart, and basically throw me off of whatever I’m working on. I was right in the middle of reading something tonight, the backup process kicked in, and JAWS committed suicide. Keep in mind, JAWS was perfectly stable. My system was perfectly stable. Just the CPU had run up above 50% for a few minutes.

 

I’d stuck with 14 for as long as I did because of that “feature” (for those with them disabled, the word “feature” is in quotes), but the list of currently available programs that 14 will still actually work with gets shorter on the daily. So I upgraded. Admittedly mostly for Office 365 (my work uses Exchange, and the newer versions of Exchange don’t work with Outlook 2003), but being perfectly honest the ability to use things like Chrome doesn’t hurt either.

 

My question: have they invented a way yet to tell JAWS not to have such an inferiority complex? I mean I get it—2019 isn’t exactly a bug free release, but the biggest reason if you’re me for JAWS taking a dive isn’t because it’s having a problem, but because it’s assuming it’s having a problem. It makes finding the actual problem slightly more annoying than it needs to be—I do have NVDA on here, but by the time I get that loaded whatever hung the system and tripped JAWS up has stopped hanging the system and JAWS has tripped for nothing. Any suggestions, or are we stuck waiting to see if FS realises that not every issue can be solved by restarting the program, particularly when the program being restarted isn’t the issue in the first place?

moderated Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

Hi James,

 

Definitely not an age where I would be too concerned, I have an Intel NUC mini PC at my store which has an I5 4th generation processor and yes, laptops and the mini PC’s do use the CPU’s which are not as fast as the unlocked ones you can put in a desktop with a 500 or 600 Watt power supply, but then again for me at my business where I have 4 PC’s running all day every day it actually makes a noticeable difference in electricity use whether I have 4 desktop PC’s or 4 mini PC’s which at most use 60 or 65 Watts, in addition if the power goes out which sometimes happens up here in northern British Columbia, they run a lot longer on a simple, inexpensive 800 Watt UPC.

In any case, the point is that at least for me Jaws 2019 crashes or restarts itself extremely rarely, I found that about a year or 2 ago this problem almost disappeared under Windows 10 and with Jaws 2018 and 2019. I am not saying it never happens, but certainly a lot less often than before. I even still have an Intel NUC I3 and even though it’s a fifth gen so one generation newer than my i5, it’s super slow even for my sighted staff without Jaws. But this will not be an issue for much longer since I just purchased and received its replacement an HP EliteDesk 800 G4 mini PC which has an I7 8700T processor, 16 Gb of RAM and a 512 Gb SSD. This will become my new PC in the office and my current PC which is exactly the same but with an I7 sixth Gen CPU will go downstairs to replace the I3 Intel NUC. I must say that I am much more impressed with the HP mini PC’s than the Intel NUC systems, granted the HP is a bit bigger, but still very small and quiet. This new one even has again two 3.5mm front panel ports, one for headset/speaker and one for an external microphone, all the other ones I have just have a combo port. It also has a front panel USB-C port, two USB 3.1 ports and in the back 4 more USB 3.1 ports, dual monitor ports and a connector for an external WiFi antenna. These HP computers also have a built-in speaker although the quality is not great and I’d only use it in a pinch.

I do plan, however, to completely reinstall Windows 10 from scrap on it, I checked Apps and Features and there are an amazing 15 HP-related programs installed and I really don’t need all that junk. Just extracted the Windows 10 product key on Saturday and today I’ll reinstall Windows on it.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 7:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

Eh. It’s just about 4 years old. I’ve had desktops acting as servers that have lasted longer (last one was 8 before the motherboard finally gave it up). It lets me log into multiple servers at once and doesn’t choke, which is probably a good benchmark for anything. At any given point the only casualty is JAWS, and only versions of JAWS that auto restart. Hand me a version that doesn’t have the auto restart functionality and it’ll run like a champ.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 10:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

 

 

Well, it is getting on in years.  I'm guessing it is in a laptop since my i5-4430 desktop is about three times faster even though it is a generation older.  Unfortunately, buying a laptop often means you get a nice looking box with a slow processor in it.

 

 

On 6/24/2019 09:01, James Homuth wrote:

Core i5-5200U at 2.20 GHZ. Pair that with 8 GB of RAM. It’s not screaming, but it takes a lot to make this machine sweat.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 9:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

Very interesting.  How slow is this computer?  What processor are we talking about here?

 

 

On 6/24/2019 07:57, James Homuth wrote:

I do this for a living. Trust me, my PC is very stable. Also I did say I can do the exact same things with JAWS 14 and the software doesn’t crash. JAWS has been repaired, uninstalled, reinstalled, upgraded, then reinstalled again just for amusement. To fix another issue the OS was reinstalled not all that long ago. Trust me. It’s not the PC.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

That's the strangest claim I've ever heard.  I suspect your pc is unstable, you might want to start with a check of the hard drive using chkdsk.  If that passes, scan it for viruses and malware then reinstall jaws if none of that helps. 

 

 

On 6/24/2019 05:46, James Homuth wrote:

Here’s the situation. My PC is not as fast as it could be. It’s also going to be replaced just as soon as I have the financial room to do it. But it’s not unstable, by any means—just sometimes it likes to take a couple seconds longer than it should to do certain things. The problem is, and I notice this fairly consistently, JAWS likes to assume it’s the problem when my PC does that, and so will kill itself, try and restart, and basically throw me off of whatever I’m working on. I was right in the middle of reading something tonight, the backup process kicked in, and JAWS committed suicide. Keep in mind, JAWS was perfectly stable. My system was perfectly stable. Just the CPU had run up above 50% for a few minutes.

 

I’d stuck with 14 for as long as I did because of that “feature” (for those with them disabled, the word “feature” is in quotes), but the list of currently available programs that 14 will still actually work with gets shorter on the daily. So I upgraded. Admittedly mostly for Office 365 (my work uses Exchange, and the newer versions of Exchange don’t work with Outlook 2003), but being perfectly honest the ability to use things like Chrome doesn’t hurt either.

 

My question: have they invented a way yet to tell JAWS not to have such an inferiority complex? I mean I get it—2019 isn’t exactly a bug free release, but the biggest reason if you’re me for JAWS taking a dive isn’t because it’s having a problem, but because it’s assuming it’s having a problem. It makes finding the actual problem slightly more annoying than it needs to be—I do have NVDA on here, but by the time I get that loaded whatever hung the system and tripped JAWS up has stopped hanging the system and JAWS has tripped for nothing. Any suggestions, or are we stuck waiting to see if FS realises that not every issue can be solved by restarting the program, particularly when the program being restarted isn’t the issue in the first place?

moderated Re: windows mail keeps closing while using jaws

Russell Solowoniuk
 

Yes, this is happening to me too! Iam not even able to use Windows Mail as it closes immediately upon opening. Luckily, I use Outlook, but just wanted to see if I could open the Windows Mail program.

Thanks all.

Russell

On Jun 23, 2019, at 5:53 PM, Melissa Stott via Groups.Io <mstott69@...> wrote:

I’m also having this issue with the mail app closing.  I’ve had to reopen it a couple of times.
 
Melissa
 
From: marvin kotler
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 9:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: windows mail keeps closing while using jaws
 
Good morning listers; running jaws 2019 and windows 1903.  Windows mail keeps closing on me using jaws; nvda reads the mail fine.  If anyone knows what is going on and how to fix this, would appreciate hearing about it.
Marv
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 

 

moderated Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

Chris Hill
 


Sad.  You really have to watch laptop processors.  I bought a "gaming" laptop that is about a year and a half old with a 7th generation core i5, and it is barely faster than this 5.5 year old desktop with an i5-4430.  If you want to keep a laptop a long time, buy the fastest processor available at that time. 


I don't really think being logged into multiple servers is going to push a processor all that hard.  Running ocr on a big batch job or using something to make the audio level consistent on a huge batch of mp3 files will really push a system.



On 6/24/2019 09:23, James Homuth wrote:

Eh. It’s just about 4 years old. I’ve had desktops acting as servers that have lasted longer (last one was 8 before the motherboard finally gave it up). It lets me log into multiple servers at once and doesn’t choke, which is probably a good benchmark for anything. At any given point the only casualty is JAWS, and only versions of JAWS that auto restart. Hand me a version that doesn’t have the auto restart functionality and it’ll run like a champ.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 10:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

 

 

Well, it is getting on in years.  I'm guessing it is in a laptop since my i5-4430 desktop is about three times faster even though it is a generation older.  Unfortunately, buying a laptop often means you get a nice looking box with a slow processor in it.

 

 

On 6/24/2019 09:01, James Homuth wrote:

Core i5-5200U at 2.20 GHZ. Pair that with 8 GB of RAM. It’s not screaming, but it takes a lot to make this machine sweat.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 9:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

Very interesting.  How slow is this computer?  What processor are we talking about here?

 

 

On 6/24/2019 07:57, James Homuth wrote:

I do this for a living. Trust me, my PC is very stable. Also I did say I can do the exact same things with JAWS 14 and the software doesn’t crash. JAWS has been repaired, uninstalled, reinstalled, upgraded, then reinstalled again just for amusement. To fix another issue the OS was reinstalled not all that long ago. Trust me. It’s not the PC.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

That's the strangest claim I've ever heard.  I suspect your pc is unstable, you might want to start with a check of the hard drive using chkdsk.  If that passes, scan it for viruses and malware then reinstall jaws if none of that helps. 

 

 

On 6/24/2019 05:46, James Homuth wrote:

Here’s the situation. My PC is not as fast as it could be. It’s also going to be replaced just as soon as I have the financial room to do it. But it’s not unstable, by any means—just sometimes it likes to take a couple seconds longer than it should to do certain things. The problem is, and I notice this fairly consistently, JAWS likes to assume it’s the problem when my PC does that, and so will kill itself, try and restart, and basically throw me off of whatever I’m working on. I was right in the middle of reading something tonight, the backup process kicked in, and JAWS committed suicide. Keep in mind, JAWS was perfectly stable. My system was perfectly stable. Just the CPU had run up above 50% for a few minutes.

 

I’d stuck with 14 for as long as I did because of that “feature” (for those with them disabled, the word “feature” is in quotes), but the list of currently available programs that 14 will still actually work with gets shorter on the daily. So I upgraded. Admittedly mostly for Office 365 (my work uses Exchange, and the newer versions of Exchange don’t work with Outlook 2003), but being perfectly honest the ability to use things like Chrome doesn’t hurt either.

 

My question: have they invented a way yet to tell JAWS not to have such an inferiority complex? I mean I get it—2019 isn’t exactly a bug free release, but the biggest reason if you’re me for JAWS taking a dive isn’t because it’s having a problem, but because it’s assuming it’s having a problem. It makes finding the actual problem slightly more annoying than it needs to be—I do have NVDA on here, but by the time I get that loaded whatever hung the system and tripped JAWS up has stopped hanging the system and JAWS has tripped for nothing. Any suggestions, or are we stuck waiting to see if FS realises that not every issue can be solved by restarting the program, particularly when the program being restarted isn’t the issue in the first place?

moderated Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

James Homuth
 

Eh. It’s just about 4 years old. I’ve had desktops acting as servers that have lasted longer (last one was 8 before the motherboard finally gave it up). It lets me log into multiple servers at once and doesn’t choke, which is probably a good benchmark for anything. At any given point the only casualty is JAWS, and only versions of JAWS that auto restart. Hand me a version that doesn’t have the auto restart functionality and it’ll run like a champ.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 10:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

 

 

Well, it is getting on in years.  I'm guessing it is in a laptop since my i5-4430 desktop is about three times faster even though it is a generation older.  Unfortunately, buying a laptop often means you get a nice looking box with a slow processor in it.

 

 

On 6/24/2019 09:01, James Homuth wrote:

Core i5-5200U at 2.20 GHZ. Pair that with 8 GB of RAM. It’s not screaming, but it takes a lot to make this machine sweat.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 9:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

Very interesting.  How slow is this computer?  What processor are we talking about here?

 

 

On 6/24/2019 07:57, James Homuth wrote:

I do this for a living. Trust me, my PC is very stable. Also I did say I can do the exact same things with JAWS 14 and the software doesn’t crash. JAWS has been repaired, uninstalled, reinstalled, upgraded, then reinstalled again just for amusement. To fix another issue the OS was reinstalled not all that long ago. Trust me. It’s not the PC.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

That's the strangest claim I've ever heard.  I suspect your pc is unstable, you might want to start with a check of the hard drive using chkdsk.  If that passes, scan it for viruses and malware then reinstall jaws if none of that helps. 

 

 

On 6/24/2019 05:46, James Homuth wrote:

Here’s the situation. My PC is not as fast as it could be. It’s also going to be replaced just as soon as I have the financial room to do it. But it’s not unstable, by any means—just sometimes it likes to take a couple seconds longer than it should to do certain things. The problem is, and I notice this fairly consistently, JAWS likes to assume it’s the problem when my PC does that, and so will kill itself, try and restart, and basically throw me off of whatever I’m working on. I was right in the middle of reading something tonight, the backup process kicked in, and JAWS committed suicide. Keep in mind, JAWS was perfectly stable. My system was perfectly stable. Just the CPU had run up above 50% for a few minutes.

 

I’d stuck with 14 for as long as I did because of that “feature” (for those with them disabled, the word “feature” is in quotes), but the list of currently available programs that 14 will still actually work with gets shorter on the daily. So I upgraded. Admittedly mostly for Office 365 (my work uses Exchange, and the newer versions of Exchange don’t work with Outlook 2003), but being perfectly honest the ability to use things like Chrome doesn’t hurt either.

 

My question: have they invented a way yet to tell JAWS not to have such an inferiority complex? I mean I get it—2019 isn’t exactly a bug free release, but the biggest reason if you’re me for JAWS taking a dive isn’t because it’s having a problem, but because it’s assuming it’s having a problem. It makes finding the actual problem slightly more annoying than it needs to be—I do have NVDA on here, but by the time I get that loaded whatever hung the system and tripped JAWS up has stopped hanging the system and JAWS has tripped for nothing. Any suggestions, or are we stuck waiting to see if FS realises that not every issue can be solved by restarting the program, particularly when the program being restarted isn’t the issue in the first place?

moderated Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

Chris Hill
 



Well, it is getting on in years.  I'm guessing it is in a laptop since my i5-4430 desktop is about three times faster even though it is a generation older.  Unfortunately, buying a laptop often means you get a nice looking box with a slow processor in it.



On 6/24/2019 09:01, James Homuth wrote:

Core i5-5200U at 2.20 GHZ. Pair that with 8 GB of RAM. It’s not screaming, but it takes a lot to make this machine sweat.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 9:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

Very interesting.  How slow is this computer?  What processor are we talking about here?

 

 

On 6/24/2019 07:57, James Homuth wrote:

I do this for a living. Trust me, my PC is very stable. Also I did say I can do the exact same things with JAWS 14 and the software doesn’t crash. JAWS has been repaired, uninstalled, reinstalled, upgraded, then reinstalled again just for amusement. To fix another issue the OS was reinstalled not all that long ago. Trust me. It’s not the PC.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

That's the strangest claim I've ever heard.  I suspect your pc is unstable, you might want to start with a check of the hard drive using chkdsk.  If that passes, scan it for viruses and malware then reinstall jaws if none of that helps. 

 

 

On 6/24/2019 05:46, James Homuth wrote:

Here’s the situation. My PC is not as fast as it could be. It’s also going to be replaced just as soon as I have the financial room to do it. But it’s not unstable, by any means—just sometimes it likes to take a couple seconds longer than it should to do certain things. The problem is, and I notice this fairly consistently, JAWS likes to assume it’s the problem when my PC does that, and so will kill itself, try and restart, and basically throw me off of whatever I’m working on. I was right in the middle of reading something tonight, the backup process kicked in, and JAWS committed suicide. Keep in mind, JAWS was perfectly stable. My system was perfectly stable. Just the CPU had run up above 50% for a few minutes.

 

I’d stuck with 14 for as long as I did because of that “feature” (for those with them disabled, the word “feature” is in quotes), but the list of currently available programs that 14 will still actually work with gets shorter on the daily. So I upgraded. Admittedly mostly for Office 365 (my work uses Exchange, and the newer versions of Exchange don’t work with Outlook 2003), but being perfectly honest the ability to use things like Chrome doesn’t hurt either.

 

My question: have they invented a way yet to tell JAWS not to have such an inferiority complex? I mean I get it—2019 isn’t exactly a bug free release, but the biggest reason if you’re me for JAWS taking a dive isn’t because it’s having a problem, but because it’s assuming it’s having a problem. It makes finding the actual problem slightly more annoying than it needs to be—I do have NVDA on here, but by the time I get that loaded whatever hung the system and tripped JAWS up has stopped hanging the system and JAWS has tripped for nothing. Any suggestions, or are we stuck waiting to see if FS realises that not every issue can be solved by restarting the program, particularly when the program being restarted isn’t the issue in the first place?

moderated Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

James Homuth
 

Eh. Yes and no. sometimes it reboots, sometimes it says to hell with it and I have to kick it a couple times. Annoying, but if it irritates me too much I do have NVDA.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: June-24-19 9:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

Rt you’re right on it’s not your PC. It’s the latest version of JAWS 2019. FS does not seem to have any answers. But at least it reboots as annoying as it is. 

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io on behalf of James Homuth <james@...>
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 8:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

I do this for a living. Trust me, my PC is very stable. Also I did say I can do the exact same things with JAWS 14 and the software doesn’t crash. JAWS has been repaired, uninstalled, reinstalled, upgraded, then reinstalled again just for amusement. To fix another issue the OS was reinstalled not all that long ago. Trust me. It’s not the PC.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

That's the strangest claim I've ever heard.  I suspect your pc is unstable, you might want to start with a check of the hard drive using chkdsk.  If that passes, scan it for viruses and malware then reinstall jaws if none of that helps. 

 

 

On 6/24/2019 05:46, James Homuth wrote:

Here’s the situation. My PC is not as fast as it could be. It’s also going to be replaced just as soon as I have the financial room to do it. But it’s not unstable, by any means—just sometimes it likes to take a couple seconds longer than it should to do certain things. The problem is, and I notice this fairly consistently, JAWS likes to assume it’s the problem when my PC does that, and so will kill itself, try and restart, and basically throw me off of whatever I’m working on. I was right in the middle of reading something tonight, the backup process kicked in, and JAWS committed suicide. Keep in mind, JAWS was perfectly stable. My system was perfectly stable. Just the CPU had run up above 50% for a few minutes.

 

I’d stuck with 14 for as long as I did because of that “feature” (for those with them disabled, the word “feature” is in quotes), but the list of currently available programs that 14 will still actually work with gets shorter on the daily. So I upgraded. Admittedly mostly for Office 365 (my work uses Exchange, and the newer versions of Exchange don’t work with Outlook 2003), but being perfectly honest the ability to use things like Chrome doesn’t hurt either.

 

My question: have they invented a way yet to tell JAWS not to have such an inferiority complex? I mean I get it—2019 isn’t exactly a bug free release, but the biggest reason if you’re me for JAWS taking a dive isn’t because it’s having a problem, but because it’s assuming it’s having a problem. It makes finding the actual problem slightly more annoying than it needs to be—I do have NVDA on here, but by the time I get that loaded whatever hung the system and tripped JAWS up has stopped hanging the system and JAWS has tripped for nothing. Any suggestions, or are we stuck waiting to see if FS realises that not every issue can be solved by restarting the program, particularly when the program being restarted isn’t the issue in the first place?

moderated Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

James Homuth
 

Core i5-5200U at 2.20 GHZ. Pair that with 8 GB of RAM. It’s not screaming, but it takes a lot to make this machine sweat.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 9:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

Very interesting.  How slow is this computer?  What processor are we talking about here?

 

 

On 6/24/2019 07:57, James Homuth wrote:

I do this for a living. Trust me, my PC is very stable. Also I did say I can do the exact same things with JAWS 14 and the software doesn’t crash. JAWS has been repaired, uninstalled, reinstalled, upgraded, then reinstalled again just for amusement. To fix another issue the OS was reinstalled not all that long ago. Trust me. It’s not the PC.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

That's the strangest claim I've ever heard.  I suspect your pc is unstable, you might want to start with a check of the hard drive using chkdsk.  If that passes, scan it for viruses and malware then reinstall jaws if none of that helps. 

 

 

On 6/24/2019 05:46, James Homuth wrote:

Here’s the situation. My PC is not as fast as it could be. It’s also going to be replaced just as soon as I have the financial room to do it. But it’s not unstable, by any means—just sometimes it likes to take a couple seconds longer than it should to do certain things. The problem is, and I notice this fairly consistently, JAWS likes to assume it’s the problem when my PC does that, and so will kill itself, try and restart, and basically throw me off of whatever I’m working on. I was right in the middle of reading something tonight, the backup process kicked in, and JAWS committed suicide. Keep in mind, JAWS was perfectly stable. My system was perfectly stable. Just the CPU had run up above 50% for a few minutes.

 

I’d stuck with 14 for as long as I did because of that “feature” (for those with them disabled, the word “feature” is in quotes), but the list of currently available programs that 14 will still actually work with gets shorter on the daily. So I upgraded. Admittedly mostly for Office 365 (my work uses Exchange, and the newer versions of Exchange don’t work with Outlook 2003), but being perfectly honest the ability to use things like Chrome doesn’t hurt either.

 

My question: have they invented a way yet to tell JAWS not to have such an inferiority complex? I mean I get it—2019 isn’t exactly a bug free release, but the biggest reason if you’re me for JAWS taking a dive isn’t because it’s having a problem, but because it’s assuming it’s having a problem. It makes finding the actual problem slightly more annoying than it needs to be—I do have NVDA on here, but by the time I get that loaded whatever hung the system and tripped JAWS up has stopped hanging the system and JAWS has tripped for nothing. Any suggestions, or are we stuck waiting to see if FS realises that not every issue can be solved by restarting the program, particularly when the program being restarted isn’t the issue in the first place?

moderated Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

Dan Longmore
 

Rt you’re right on it’s not your PC. It’s the latest version of JAWS 2019. FS does not seem to have any answers. But at least it reboots as annoying as it is. 
 


From: main@jfw.groups.io on behalf of James Homuth <james@...>
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 8:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?
 

I do this for a living. Trust me, my PC is very stable. Also I did say I can do the exact same things with JAWS 14 and the software doesn’t crash. JAWS has been repaired, uninstalled, reinstalled, upgraded, then reinstalled again just for amusement. To fix another issue the OS was reinstalled not all that long ago. Trust me. It’s not the PC.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

That's the strangest claim I've ever heard.  I suspect your pc is unstable, you might want to start with a check of the hard drive using chkdsk.  If that passes, scan it for viruses and malware then reinstall jaws if none of that helps. 

 

 

On 6/24/2019 05:46, James Homuth wrote:

Here’s the situation. My PC is not as fast as it could be. It’s also going to be replaced just as soon as I have the financial room to do it. But it’s not unstable, by any means—just sometimes it likes to take a couple seconds longer than it should to do certain things. The problem is, and I notice this fairly consistently, JAWS likes to assume it’s the problem when my PC does that, and so will kill itself, try and restart, and basically throw me off of whatever I’m working on. I was right in the middle of reading something tonight, the backup process kicked in, and JAWS committed suicide. Keep in mind, JAWS was perfectly stable. My system was perfectly stable. Just the CPU had run up above 50% for a few minutes.

 

I’d stuck with 14 for as long as I did because of that “feature” (for those with them disabled, the word “feature” is in quotes), but the list of currently available programs that 14 will still actually work with gets shorter on the daily. So I upgraded. Admittedly mostly for Office 365 (my work uses Exchange, and the newer versions of Exchange don’t work with Outlook 2003), but being perfectly honest the ability to use things like Chrome doesn’t hurt either.

 

My question: have they invented a way yet to tell JAWS not to have such an inferiority complex? I mean I get it—2019 isn’t exactly a bug free release, but the biggest reason if you’re me for JAWS taking a dive isn’t because it’s having a problem, but because it’s assuming it’s having a problem. It makes finding the actual problem slightly more annoying than it needs to be—I do have NVDA on here, but by the time I get that loaded whatever hung the system and tripped JAWS up has stopped hanging the system and JAWS has tripped for nothing. Any suggestions, or are we stuck waiting to see if FS realises that not every issue can be solved by restarting the program, particularly when the program being restarted isn’t the issue in the first place?

moderated Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

Chris Hill
 

Very interesting.  How slow is this computer?  What processor are we talking about here?



On 6/24/2019 07:57, James Homuth wrote:

I do this for a living. Trust me, my PC is very stable. Also I did say I can do the exact same things with JAWS 14 and the software doesn’t crash. JAWS has been repaired, uninstalled, reinstalled, upgraded, then reinstalled again just for amusement. To fix another issue the OS was reinstalled not all that long ago. Trust me. It’s not the PC.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

That's the strangest claim I've ever heard.  I suspect your pc is unstable, you might want to start with a check of the hard drive using chkdsk.  If that passes, scan it for viruses and malware then reinstall jaws if none of that helps. 

 

 

On 6/24/2019 05:46, James Homuth wrote:

Here’s the situation. My PC is not as fast as it could be. It’s also going to be replaced just as soon as I have the financial room to do it. But it’s not unstable, by any means—just sometimes it likes to take a couple seconds longer than it should to do certain things. The problem is, and I notice this fairly consistently, JAWS likes to assume it’s the problem when my PC does that, and so will kill itself, try and restart, and basically throw me off of whatever I’m working on. I was right in the middle of reading something tonight, the backup process kicked in, and JAWS committed suicide. Keep in mind, JAWS was perfectly stable. My system was perfectly stable. Just the CPU had run up above 50% for a few minutes.

 

I’d stuck with 14 for as long as I did because of that “feature” (for those with them disabled, the word “feature” is in quotes), but the list of currently available programs that 14 will still actually work with gets shorter on the daily. So I upgraded. Admittedly mostly for Office 365 (my work uses Exchange, and the newer versions of Exchange don’t work with Outlook 2003), but being perfectly honest the ability to use things like Chrome doesn’t hurt either.

 

My question: have they invented a way yet to tell JAWS not to have such an inferiority complex? I mean I get it—2019 isn’t exactly a bug free release, but the biggest reason if you’re me for JAWS taking a dive isn’t because it’s having a problem, but because it’s assuming it’s having a problem. It makes finding the actual problem slightly more annoying than it needs to be—I do have NVDA on here, but by the time I get that loaded whatever hung the system and tripped JAWS up has stopped hanging the system and JAWS has tripped for nothing. Any suggestions, or are we stuck waiting to see if FS realises that not every issue can be solved by restarting the program, particularly when the program being restarted isn’t the issue in the first place?

moderated Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

James Homuth
 

Well hell. I suppose if that’s my only complaint it could be worse, but man is that going to annoy me.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Munawar Bijani
Sent: June-24-19 7:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

No, there is no way to disable the auto restart thing.


On Jun 24, 2019, at 7:32 AM, Chris Hill <hillco@...> wrote:

That's the strangest claim I've ever heard.  I suspect your pc is unstable, you might want to start with a check of the hard drive using chkdsk.  If that passes, scan it for viruses and malware then reinstall jaws if none of that helps. 

 

 

On 6/24/2019 05:46, James Homuth wrote:

Here’s the situation. My PC is not as fast as it could be. It’s also going to be replaced just as soon as I have the financial room to do it. But it’s not unstable, by any means—just sometimes it likes to take a couple seconds longer than it should to do certain things. The problem is, and I notice this fairly consistently, JAWS likes to assume it’s the problem when my PC does that, and so will kill itself, try and restart, and basically throw me off of whatever I’m working on. I was right in the middle of reading something tonight, the backup process kicked in, and JAWS committed suicide. Keep in mind, JAWS was perfectly stable. My system was perfectly stable. Just the CPU had run up above 50% for a few minutes.

 

I’d stuck with 14 for as long as I did because of that “feature” (for those with them disabled, the word “feature” is in quotes), but the list of currently available programs that 14 will still actually work with gets shorter on the daily. So I upgraded. Admittedly mostly for Office 365 (my work uses Exchange, and the newer versions of Exchange don’t work with Outlook 2003), but being perfectly honest the ability to use things like Chrome doesn’t hurt either.

 

My question: have they invented a way yet to tell JAWS not to have such an inferiority complex? I mean I get it—2019 isn’t exactly a bug free release, but the biggest reason if you’re me for JAWS taking a dive isn’t because it’s having a problem, but because it’s assuming it’s having a problem. It makes finding the actual problem slightly more annoying than it needs to be—I do have NVDA on here, but by the time I get that loaded whatever hung the system and tripped JAWS up has stopped hanging the system and JAWS has tripped for nothing. Any suggestions, or are we stuck waiting to see if FS realises that not every issue can be solved by restarting the program, particularly when the program being restarted isn’t the issue in the first place?

moderated Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

James Homuth
 

I do this for a living. Trust me, my PC is very stable. Also I did say I can do the exact same things with JAWS 14 and the software doesn’t crash. JAWS has been repaired, uninstalled, reinstalled, upgraded, then reinstalled again just for amusement. To fix another issue the OS was reinstalled not all that long ago. Trust me. It’s not the PC.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June-24-19 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

 

That's the strangest claim I've ever heard.  I suspect your pc is unstable, you might want to start with a check of the hard drive using chkdsk.  If that passes, scan it for viruses and malware then reinstall jaws if none of that helps. 

 

 

On 6/24/2019 05:46, James Homuth wrote:

Here’s the situation. My PC is not as fast as it could be. It’s also going to be replaced just as soon as I have the financial room to do it. But it’s not unstable, by any means—just sometimes it likes to take a couple seconds longer than it should to do certain things. The problem is, and I notice this fairly consistently, JAWS likes to assume it’s the problem when my PC does that, and so will kill itself, try and restart, and basically throw me off of whatever I’m working on. I was right in the middle of reading something tonight, the backup process kicked in, and JAWS committed suicide. Keep in mind, JAWS was perfectly stable. My system was perfectly stable. Just the CPU had run up above 50% for a few minutes.

 

I’d stuck with 14 for as long as I did because of that “feature” (for those with them disabled, the word “feature” is in quotes), but the list of currently available programs that 14 will still actually work with gets shorter on the daily. So I upgraded. Admittedly mostly for Office 365 (my work uses Exchange, and the newer versions of Exchange don’t work with Outlook 2003), but being perfectly honest the ability to use things like Chrome doesn’t hurt either.

 

My question: have they invented a way yet to tell JAWS not to have such an inferiority complex? I mean I get it—2019 isn’t exactly a bug free release, but the biggest reason if you’re me for JAWS taking a dive isn’t because it’s having a problem, but because it’s assuming it’s having a problem. It makes finding the actual problem slightly more annoying than it needs to be—I do have NVDA on here, but by the time I get that loaded whatever hung the system and tripped JAWS up has stopped hanging the system and JAWS has tripped for nothing. Any suggestions, or are we stuck waiting to see if FS realises that not every issue can be solved by restarting the program, particularly when the program being restarted isn’t the issue in the first place?

moderated Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

Munawar Bijani <munawarb@...>
 

No, there is no way to disable the auto restart thing.

On Jun 24, 2019, at 7:32 AM, Chris Hill <hillco@...> wrote:

That's the strangest claim I've ever heard.  I suspect your pc is unstable, you might want to start with a check of the hard drive using chkdsk.  If that passes, scan it for viruses and malware then reinstall jaws if none of that helps. 



On 6/24/2019 05:46, James Homuth wrote:

Here’s the situation. My PC is not as fast as it could be. It’s also going to be replaced just as soon as I have the financial room to do it. But it’s not unstable, by any means—just sometimes it likes to take a couple seconds longer than it should to do certain things. The problem is, and I notice this fairly consistently, JAWS likes to assume it’s the problem when my PC does that, and so will kill itself, try and restart, and basically throw me off of whatever I’m working on. I was right in the middle of reading something tonight, the backup process kicked in, and JAWS committed suicide. Keep in mind, JAWS was perfectly stable. My system was perfectly stable. Just the CPU had run up above 50% for a few minutes.

 

I’d stuck with 14 for as long as I did because of that “feature” (for those with them disabled, the word “feature” is in quotes), but the list of currently available programs that 14 will still actually work with gets shorter on the daily. So I upgraded. Admittedly mostly for Office 365 (my work uses Exchange, and the newer versions of Exchange don’t work with Outlook 2003), but being perfectly honest the ability to use things like Chrome doesn’t hurt either.

 

My question: have they invented a way yet to tell JAWS not to have such an inferiority complex? I mean I get it—2019 isn’t exactly a bug free release, but the biggest reason if you’re me for JAWS taking a dive isn’t because it’s having a problem, but because it’s assuming it’s having a problem. It makes finding the actual problem slightly more annoying than it needs to be—I do have NVDA on here, but by the time I get that loaded whatever hung the system and tripped JAWS up has stopped hanging the system and JAWS has tripped for nothing. Any suggestions, or are we stuck waiting to see if FS realises that not every issue can be solved by restarting the program, particularly when the program being restarted isn’t the issue in the first place?

moderated Re: Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

Chris Hill
 

That's the strangest claim I've ever heard.  I suspect your pc is unstable, you might want to start with a check of the hard drive using chkdsk.  If that passes, scan it for viruses and malware then reinstall jaws if none of that helps. 



On 6/24/2019 05:46, James Homuth wrote:

Here’s the situation. My PC is not as fast as it could be. It’s also going to be replaced just as soon as I have the financial room to do it. But it’s not unstable, by any means—just sometimes it likes to take a couple seconds longer than it should to do certain things. The problem is, and I notice this fairly consistently, JAWS likes to assume it’s the problem when my PC does that, and so will kill itself, try and restart, and basically throw me off of whatever I’m working on. I was right in the middle of reading something tonight, the backup process kicked in, and JAWS committed suicide. Keep in mind, JAWS was perfectly stable. My system was perfectly stable. Just the CPU had run up above 50% for a few minutes.

 

I’d stuck with 14 for as long as I did because of that “feature” (for those with them disabled, the word “feature” is in quotes), but the list of currently available programs that 14 will still actually work with gets shorter on the daily. So I upgraded. Admittedly mostly for Office 365 (my work uses Exchange, and the newer versions of Exchange don’t work with Outlook 2003), but being perfectly honest the ability to use things like Chrome doesn’t hurt either.

 

My question: have they invented a way yet to tell JAWS not to have such an inferiority complex? I mean I get it—2019 isn’t exactly a bug free release, but the biggest reason if you’re me for JAWS taking a dive isn’t because it’s having a problem, but because it’s assuming it’s having a problem. It makes finding the actual problem slightly more annoying than it needs to be—I do have NVDA on here, but by the time I get that loaded whatever hung the system and tripped JAWS up has stopped hanging the system and JAWS has tripped for nothing. Any suggestions, or are we stuck waiting to see if FS realises that not every issue can be solved by restarting the program, particularly when the program being restarted isn’t the issue in the first place?

moderated Have they implemented an option to tell JAWS to stop restarting itself yet?

James Homuth
 

Here’s the situation. My PC is not as fast as it could be. It’s also going to be replaced just as soon as I have the financial room to do it. But it’s not unstable, by any means—just sometimes it likes to take a couple seconds longer than it should to do certain things. The problem is, and I notice this fairly consistently, JAWS likes to assume it’s the problem when my PC does that, and so will kill itself, try and restart, and basically throw me off of whatever I’m working on. I was right in the middle of reading something tonight, the backup process kicked in, and JAWS committed suicide. Keep in mind, JAWS was perfectly stable. My system was perfectly stable. Just the CPU had run up above 50% for a few minutes.

 

I’d stuck with 14 for as long as I did because of that “feature” (for those with them disabled, the word “feature” is in quotes), but the list of currently available programs that 14 will still actually work with gets shorter on the daily. So I upgraded. Admittedly mostly for Office 365 (my work uses Exchange, and the newer versions of Exchange don’t work with Outlook 2003), but being perfectly honest the ability to use things like Chrome doesn’t hurt either.

 

My question: have they invented a way yet to tell JAWS not to have such an inferiority complex? I mean I get it—2019 isn’t exactly a bug free release, but the biggest reason if you’re me for JAWS taking a dive isn’t because it’s having a problem, but because it’s assuming it’s having a problem. It makes finding the actual problem slightly more annoying than it needs to be—I do have NVDA on here, but by the time I get that loaded whatever hung the system and tripped JAWS up has stopped hanging the system and JAWS has tripped for nothing. Any suggestions, or are we stuck waiting to see if FS realises that not every issue can be solved by restarting the program, particularly when the program being restarted isn’t the issue in the first place?

moderated Re: Using Skype

 

You definitely want the desktop version, current  is Skype 8.46.

Jaws has pretty good support for Skype without third party scripts and in the “What’s new in Jaws 2019” there is a section about Skype support which lists some of the keyboard shortcuts you get with the Jaws scripts.

Just do a virtual find for “Skype” or go through the sections with the quick nav key for heading level 3.

 

Furthermore, Brian Hartgen has done a Skype course and you can purchase a recorded version which includes additional scripts for approx. $42 US.

For this you get three 60 minute or so sessions as well as the scripts.

The course is called “Reach for the Skype.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Mcdevitt
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 6:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Using Skype

 

Hello list-members,

 

Over the past 7-8 years, I have only had 3-4 occasions where I used Skype. I will be working with a trainer remotely beginning later this week and would like to use Skype for our sessions.

 

I have read that Skype and Windows 10 using a screenreader program has some accessibility issues. There are also two download options: Skype for Windows 10 and Skype for Desktop. As I will be using my PC for this training, the latter would have the most direct application.

 

In a large binder where I keep braille notes on various programs, I have some basic Skype commands from some years ago  using JAWS. Have any of these commands changed? Are there any new commands?

 

I would appreciate any input and direction.

 

Best, Justin

moderated Re: Using Skype

The Iowa Gal <iowagal728@...>
 

Hi Justin,

 

If you  are using Jaws, I encourage you to read the info about Skype in the Jaws help. It will tell you what version of Skype to get to work best with Jaws and I believe also has keystrokes for basic commands.

If you’re not using Jaws, I would advise you download and install Skype for Desktop. This is what Jaws recommends and I would think it would be the version best suited for use with screen readers.

 

HTH

Norma

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of inamuddin khan
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 8:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using Skype

 

Dear friend, first of all, there is no accessibility issue using Skype Electron with screen readers.

For more information, feel free to visit:

www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skypeelectron.htm

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1

 

 

arguing with a woman is just like reading software’s lisence agreement.

At the end you ignore Her everything  and click I agree button.

You can contact me via gmail:

inamuddin09@...

outlook:

inam092@...

yahoo:

inamuddin2010@...

AOL:

charlsdarwin1969@...

Join me with my Skype ID:

charlsdarwin1

See me on facebook:

www.facebook.com/inamuddin786

Follow me on my twitter:

www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1

Mobile phone:

+92-334-3348409

Google voice:

+1-631-5335683

 

 

From: Justin Mcdevitt
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 6:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Using Skype

 

Hello list-members,

 

Over the past 7-8 years, I have only had 3-4 occasions where I used Skype. I will be working with a trainer remotely beginning later this week and would like to use Skype for our sessions.

 

I have read that Skype and Windows 10 using a screenreader program has some accessibility issues. There are also two download options: Skype for Windows 10 and Skype for Desktop. As I will be using my PC for this training, the latter would have the most direct application.

 

In a large binder where I keep braille notes on various programs, I have some basic Skype commands from some years ago  using JAWS. Have any of these commands changed? Are there any new commands?

 

I would appreciate any input and direction.

 

Best, Justin

 

moderated Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

 

That is not how I understood it. I know this may not be the original message, but at one point he said :

At least with version 1809, jfw will not read anything in the command window if run as administrator.
If I virtualize the window, I see the text, but other wise nothing -- jaws cursor reads nothing

He says "Jaws cursor reads nothing" and that is not my experience or that of many others.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Munawar Bijani
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 3:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

The original question was why isn't it reading it automatically...

On Jun 23, 2019, at 4:29 PM, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:

It will, but you might not want to listen to it like that, especially if the output is long. I know I don't. The JAWS cursor gives finer control over the output.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Munawar
Bijani
Sent: June 23, 2019 4:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

You shouldn't have to use the JAWS Cursor; JAWS will read it automatically.

On 6/23/2019 3:27 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I just opened Power Shell (Admin) from the Windows + X menu and typed ipconfig to display my computer's IP configuration and I can read this with the Jaws cursor.

----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 12:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

I want to be able to use powershell, so I am not sure what you mean, the only thing I see in properties (using powershell) is one checkbox to toggle legacy console features. However, my problem appears in both powershell and regular cmd.

On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 14:52:07 -0400,
Steve Nutt wrote:
You may have to set the command prompt to be legacy instead of using
PowerShell.

You can do this in CMD properties.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: 22 June 2019 19:52
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: jaws does not work properly in admin command window

Hi. At least with version 1809, jfw will not read anything in the
command window if run as administrator. If I virtualize the window,
I see the text, but other wise nothing -- jaws cursor reads nothing
as well. Tech support says its not supported, but that makes no
sense to me and Narrator reads it fine.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

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