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moderated Re: Jaws2019 Forward email with jaws

JM Casey
 

Hi Adison.

Fw means “forwarded”

Re means “reply” or “reference to”

It’s ok and it’sa  normal part of e-mail. I wouldn’t’ even worry about it if I were you.

If you really want to be  rid of the > symbols, I guess it might be possible – I find it helpful but, I guess not everyone does. Sorry, don’t know where to look, maybe I’ll check later.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: November 18, 2019 7:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws2019 Forward email with jaws

 

JM Casey  someone send when I hear the subject line say FW : RE : Why it’s have to happens?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 5:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws2019 Forward email with jaws

 

Hm. Could you be hearing the > (greater than) symbols that indicate a forwarded message or the original text of a replied-to message?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: November 18, 2019 5:16 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws2019 Forward email with jaws

 

Hello All  I have jaws2019 ,microsoft outlook office 2007 email clients and desktop computer window10  !!  I’m very curious about the jaws kind of acted up whenever I reply back from forward email from the person who send me ,when I typejaws sound little strange with the word and it’s not pronounced it correctly  so I had to backspace to erased it then type it again it pronounced right . Does anyone have this problem with forward email ? Sometime jaws use to stop and back on  while typing  too. What do I need to fix this forward email from jaws acts up?

I hope I’m making sense in here ,I’m not good of English typing to say it right !!

Addison  


moderated Re: Jaws2019 Forward email with jaws

O.Addison Gethers
 

OK and what am I looking for in the setting?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 5:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws2019 Forward email with jaws

 

I am not sure about outlook so you may have to look around in the settings for something that says put greater than in front of forwarded message or something. similar.

On 11/18/2019 2:16 PM, O.Addison Gethers wrote:

Hello All  I have jaws2019 ,microsoft outlook office 2007 email clients and desktop computer window10  !!  I’m very curious about the jaws kind of acted up whenever I reply back from forward email from the person who send me ,when I typejaws sound little strange with the word and it’s not pronounced it correctly  so I had to backspace to erased it then type it again it pronounced right . Does anyone have this problem with forward email ? Sometime jaws use to stop and back on  while typing  too. What do I need to fix this forward email from jaws acts up?

I hope I’m making sense in here ,I’m not good of English typing to say it right !!

Addison  


moderated Re: Jaws2019 Forward email with jaws

O.Addison Gethers
 

JM Casey  someone send when I hear the subject line say FW : RE : Why it’s have to happens?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 5:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws2019 Forward email with jaws

 

Hm. Could you be hearing the > (greater than) symbols that indicate a forwarded message or the original text of a replied-to message?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: November 18, 2019 5:16 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws2019 Forward email with jaws

 

Hello All  I have jaws2019 ,microsoft outlook office 2007 email clients and desktop computer window10  !!  I’m very curious about the jaws kind of acted up whenever I reply back from forward email from the person who send me ,when I typejaws sound little strange with the word and it’s not pronounced it correctly  so I had to backspace to erased it then type it again it pronounced right . Does anyone have this problem with forward email ? Sometime jaws use to stop and back on  while typing  too. What do I need to fix this forward email from jaws acts up?

I hope I’m making sense in here ,I’m not good of English typing to say it right !!

Addison  


moderated Re: help with correcting a misspelled word

Adrian Spratt
 

Hi, Denise.

 

I want to be sure I understand the problem. Did you add a word to the Word dictionary, only to realize you’d misspelled it? and now you want to remove that added spelling/word?

 

Word used to have a function that made such a fix easy. I think it was an “options” button. But it it’s no longer there in Word 2016. I don’t know about immediately preceding or later versions.

 

If this is a correct interpretation of your query, please give the list the version number of Word you’re using so that the answer can be responsive.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Denise J Moses
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 4:37 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: help with correcting a mispelled word

 

In a document I changed a word in spell check that I thought was correct.  I discovered later that I had misspelled that word.  I typed the correct spelling in my document & then opened spell check.  It only showed me the misspelled word from before & there was no option to delete or add the corrected spelling.  Where do I make this change?  I went into dictionary manager & it only showed me languages.  The example of the word I am describing is this; Zorumites is the word I changed but is misspelled.  Zoramites is the correct spelling.

Thanks for the help.

 

Denise


moderated Re: Jaws2019 Forward email with jaws

Randy Barnett
 

I am not sure about outlook so you may have to look around in the settings for something that says put greater than in front of forwarded message or something. similar.

On 11/18/2019 2:16 PM, O.Addison Gethers wrote:

Hello All  I have jaws2019 ,microsoft outlook office 2007 email clients and desktop computer window10  !!  I’m very curious about the jaws kind of acted up whenever I reply back from forward email from the person who send me ,when I typejaws sound little strange with the word and it’s not pronounced it correctly  so I had to backspace to erased it then type it again it pronounced right . Does anyone have this problem with forward email ? Sometime jaws use to stop and back on  while typing  too. What do I need to fix this forward email from jaws acts up?

I hope I’m making sense in here ,I’m not good of English typing to say it right !!

Addison  


moderated Re: Jaws2019 Forward email with jaws

JM Casey
 

Hm. Could you be hearing the > (greater than) symbols that indicate a forwarded message or the original text of a replied-to message?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of O.Addison Gethers
Sent: November 18, 2019 5:16 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws2019 Forward email with jaws

 

Hello All  I have jaws2019 ,microsoft outlook office 2007 email clients and desktop computer window10  !!  I’m very curious about the jaws kind of acted up whenever I reply back from forward email from the person who send me ,when I typejaws sound little strange with the word and it’s not pronounced it correctly  so I had to backspace to erased it then type it again it pronounced right . Does anyone have this problem with forward email ? Sometime jaws use to stop and back on  while typing  too. What do I need to fix this forward email from jaws acts up?

I hope I’m making sense in here ,I’m not good of English typing to say it right !!

Addison  


moderated Jaws2019 Forward email with jaws

O.Addison Gethers
 

Hello All  I have jaws2019 ,microsoft outlook office 2007 email clients and desktop computer window10  !!  I’m very curious about the jaws kind of acted up whenever I reply back from forward email from the person who send me ,when I typejaws sound little strange with the word and it’s not pronounced it correctly  so I had to backspace to erased it then type it again it pronounced right . Does anyone have this problem with forward email ? Sometime jaws use to stop and back on  while typing  too. What do I need to fix this forward email from jaws acts up?

I hope I’m making sense in here ,I’m not good of English typing to say it right !!

Addison  


moderated Re: help with correcting a misspelled word

Van Lant, Robin
 

I would type the word, then bring your cursor back into the word. Hit the application key to open the context menu.  If Word thinks you have it misspelled, one of thcontext options witll be spelling and a submenu option will be to add to dictionary. 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Denise J Moses
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 2:37 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: help with correcting a mispelled word

 

In a document I changed a word in spell check that I thought was correct.  I discovered later that I had misspelled that word.  I typed the correct spelling in my document & then opened spell check.  It only showed me the misspelled word from before & there was no option to delete or add the corrected spelling.  Where do I make this change?  I went into dictionary manager & it only showed me languages.  The example of the word I am describing is this; Zorumites is the word I changed but is misspelled.  Zoramites is the correct spelling.

Thanks for the help.

 

Denise



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moderated Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

Mario
 

if this list is going to continue, at some point, the list is going to
get too long.

I thought a wiki is a webpage where members can contribute to a project
of some sort. the concern is that someone can unintentionally add
something that is inaccurate, not up to date, or misleading. so, that
creates the question, is someone going to be in charge of maintaining
the wiki to make sure the information is correct?

-------- Original Message --------
From: JM Casey [mailto:jmcasey@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 3:32 PM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
Well, the idea is interesting and, in response to Randy or someone else
who posted on this topic, I started writing a list of the stuff I have
on here.
But if not a wiki, or something along a similar concept, what do you
suggest?
I mean, the whole point would be that users could contribute, no?
otherwise, the project wouldn't really get off the ground -- it would
just be one or two guys' opinions on what programmes work well on their
homepage, and, as you say, "who wants that?" :P


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: November 18, 2019 2:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I agree there should be a central repository (website) where members or
non members who are blind or visually impaired could read about a
program and save it to their computer if they want to use a copy, but I
disagree it should be connected to a wiki page. I was participating in a
group discussion (a few years ago) and we decided to create a wiki page
with alot of information about our discussions but hardly anyone wanted
to spend the time to contribute to the wiki. plus, using a wiki where
members can post inaccurate information about a program or procedure,
and who wants that.



-------- Original Message --------
From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 10:18 AM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Many thanks

I have saved your additions and will create a master list.

I agree that a short description would be helpful.

Also eventually a download link or advice on how to get the application
would also be helpful I think,.

Someone suggested that a Wiki page may be available to this list which
may host this information.

I don’t know if anybody knows if this is true and whether or how we
could use it for such a purpose.

Thanks again

David Griffith

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* 18 November 2019 08:31
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

Thanks David, it’s a good start. It will also give us idea about using
various JAWS compatible programs which may be useful to us other than we
are currently using. Perhaps a small description can be added to those
which are not obvious in their use.I have added two extra –Cisco Jabber
& Oracle applications

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 3:37 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I followed my own advice and reproduce the list of programs on my system
that I have used at least once or twice with Jaws can think is
accessible. Some programs I have used more than others. I have used
MP3Direct cut hundreds of times but Audacity less so if people want any
clarification of the programs I use then the amount of feedback I will
be able to give will vary.

By the way in creating the application folder tip I gave earlier I
forgot to remember that you get more joy arrowing rightwards rather than
with the down arrow in reading what all your installed apps are.

Anyway here we go as a start list.

N.B rather than reproduce all these People could perhaps add programs
that they are using to this list and I can try and consolidate it all
into a master list.

Programs I am personally using with Jaws.

7-Zip

ABBYY FineReader 12

Audacity

Audible Manager and downloader

Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader)

BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie)

BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie)

Belarc Advisor (Diagnostics)

Brave Browser

Bookworm (eBook reader – only just installed)

Bulk Rename Utility

CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)

CD Burner XP (CD Burner – have only used to limited extent)

CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications running)

Clock2 (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Copy file Names

Copy Path

Codex eBook Converter.

Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on Cisco
website

Daisy Book Generator

DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory.

Dropbox

DVD Audio Extractor

Eloquence

Excel

Explorer ++

Firefox Portable

Format Factory (File Conversion)

FreeM4B to Mp3 converter

FSReader 3

GoldWave

Google Chrome

Humanware Companion (For Victor reader Devices)

Internet Explorer

Inaudible Audible book Converter

iCloud (for transfer to iPone and iPad)

iTunes

IrfanView (image viewer- now only use to Jaws OCR on)

Jarte +(Wordpad Replacement with spellchecker and other features)

Jaws 2019

JAWS 2020

Kindle Accessible Version

Kurzweil 1000 v. 14

NVDA

Mail

Master Seeker (Fast file finder)

Microsoft Edge

Mp3Directcut (easy editing of mp3 files)

MP3Gain(increase volume of mp3 files)

MP3Tag (edit and quickly create mp3 ags)

Narrator

Notepad

Office

OneDrive

Outlook

Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing and
saving of contacts)

Open Book

Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance module
which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)

QCast (Podcast downloader)

QRead (eBook Reader)

OverDrive for Windows

People

Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader)

Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)

RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Sendspace Wizard

Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard)

Speak On Media Suite (For accessing RNIB Newspapers etc)

Spotify

SyncBack Free (Back up utility)

Switch (Media Converter)

Task Manager

Tapin Radio

TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books)

Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing)

TWBlue (Twitter Client)

Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)

VLC media player

Windows Media Player

Waterfox Portable

Word

WordPad

Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound car)

Hope we can start something here.

of

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*From: *David Griffith via Groups.Io
<mailto:daj.griffith=gmail.com@groups.io>
*Sent: *15 November 2019 14:12
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I changed the subject line to reflect the new discussion.

As a starting point on this list it would be useful if people could list
the programs they know work well on their system with Jaws.

I can offer one tip to make it easier to establish which app people
have on their system. Someone might have a better idea.

If you type or copy and paste the following command into the windows R
run dialogue,

shell:AppsFolder command

and press enter

This will open a list view with all the apps you have on your system.

You can simply arrow down to review then all.

Here you can press enter to run the app or perhaps more usefully use the
context key to create a shortcut .

For our purposes here you simply have to cursor down the list of aps,
after about 10 apps open the Jaws speech history with insert space ,
then H and you should see the list of apps you have arrowed down in a
form that you can copy and paste into a notepad file by pressing control
a and then control c.

Alt tab back to your apps folder and continue cursoring down for about
10 app, open speech history history again and copy the resulting apps
into your notepad file.

Continue until you have a file list of all the apps on your system.

As I say someone else might have a more elegant solution.

In any case edit the Notepad file to delete all the apps you know don’t
work with Jaws.

Also you should probably delete any app that you don’t know if they work
with Jaws or if you don’t want anybody else to know you have this app on
your system.

I’ll try and do this as a starter list and others can then add or
criticise the resulting list I have.

David Griffith

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Windows 10

*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@...>
*Sent: *15 November 2019 13:24
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Yes David, even I was delighted to find that JAWS works on this as it
didn’t work on other apps I tried.

As for having a resource which could provide us with the list of JAWS
accessible program, I think it will be immensely useful. Perhaps we can
put the programs/Apps names in an excel and share it. May be we can give
it versions so if any one wishes to add any list of programs or apps
names, they can add these to the existing list and save it to the next
version and share it in this group.

Perhaps it would work at least for the interim untill such a resource is
available through Vispero.

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 12:33 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Very glad it worked– I did see this option on the Microsoft Store but I
was not sure you would be able to use it. I am especially pleased it is
accessible with Jaws. Not all apps are though I think the situation is
improving.

We need an Apple Vis type website with category lists of programs and
Microsoft Store Apps Which are confirmed to work with Jaws.

There is something called NVDA Road tested Programs on Accessibility
Net which is pretty much guaranteed to provide options for Jaws as well
but somethings are accessible with Jaws and not NVDA and vice versa.

There used to be a Programs page on the old Jaws User Mailing list
website but this seems defunct now and will not load here. Tom
Lorimore’s White Stick website will not be update given his recent sad
death. I don’t know if anybody else knows of a similar resource?

VFO Should really host this for the community I guess but if anybody
has a web page that could be used I would be happy to provide some
program suggestions and comments.

David Griffith

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* 15 November 2019 08:26
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Good Idea David, I tried a world clock app on the Microsoft store and it
is accessible with JAWS and it groups different time zones although I
have to navigate few times to reach it. Good part is that I can add more
than five, not that I need that manyJ

Thanks for the suggestion.

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:22 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

As a workaround have you tried separate World Clock applications or
Website?

For example

https://greenwichmeantime.com/timepiece/world-clock/

Once you have set a website like this up to your desired time zone you
can set it up as a shortcut on your desktop or even, with a bit of
further fiddling and editing of the shortcut, put it on the windows 10
Taskbar. Let me know if you want instructions on this.

In terms of apps rather than websites I think you will need to search
for World Clock apps rather than clock apps as normal clock
applications will just provide the standard feedback from the system time.

David Griffith

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*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@...>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 07:35
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Yes I did try to go to the clock after pressing Windows B and then
navigating to the system clock however it only provides feedback for one
clock and not the other one.

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Van
Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:06 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

You probably cannot do it with the JAWS F12 keystroke to check time, but
if both clocks appear on your System tray in the bottom right of your
screen, then you can try using Windows key B to get to the system tray,
then arrowing left or right to hear the clocks. I usually find focus is
at the far left of the icons in the system tray, so it is fastest to
arrow left and focus will quickly circle around to the far right of the
icons where the standard system clock is.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:01 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Hi members,

Can I check time for two time zones simultaneously using JAWS?

I have added two clocks however JAWS just provides feedback for one of
it so not sure how to access time for the other one.

Thanks,

Meesha



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moderated Re: Is anyone else having jaws loosing focus?

Maria Campbell
 

I'll have to try this.


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On 11/18/2019 12:29 PM, Panagiotis Antonopoulos wrote:
Hi Maria/all,
If I get a strange effect on such situations, I turn speech on which I usually have on demand, and if alt appears pressed, I press it again. The problem often vanishes, but it has become really annoying too. Still with j2019. Take care, Takis

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 7:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having jaws loosing focus?

I ask, does anyone have the problem that when they switch from or close
an app, they get the alt key in combination with any other key pressed,
i.e. alt down arrow, alt tab, etc. That's what I get a very annoying
lot now. To get rid of it I have to fiddle with going to desktop then
back to the app I was working with.



Maria Campbell

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On 11/18/2019 11:18 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I don't use Outlook and still have that problem.
I think something else is the unknown factor.
Glenn
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Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having jaws loosing focus?


I think Outlook could be the problem.
I use Outlook here at work. When working in other applications like
Excel or Chrome, when a message comes into Outlook I get disrupted by
losing speech or focus of the Window or within the Window.

HTH,



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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 10:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having jaws loosing focus?

I would think that a common element, if it is not just Jaws, could be
in settings, like the particular desktop chosen or maybe the display
driver in use, but it is a Jaws issue not working in certain situations.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Hill" <hillco@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having jaws loosing focus?


I haven't been following this too closely, but I've never had the
problem.
One possible common denominator here may be the use of outlook. I've
never used it, and very seldom used any other MS email client, and have
never had the problem. Maybe that is a clue.



On 11/18/2019 09:34, Marty Hutchings wrote:
I have also experienced this starting with JAWS 18. In fact, it
happened just before composing this message. I am running JAWS 2019.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the
rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this
darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the
heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to
resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message----- From: Sandra Streeter
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 9:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having jaws loosing focus?

I skipped from JAWS 2016 to 2019; not a problem until 2019, at least
for me.
Annoying!


Sandra

The gift of mental energy comes from God, the supreme being and if we
concentrate our thoughts on this truth we get into harmony with this
great power.
(Nikola Tesla)

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 4:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having jaws loosing focus?

This has been a problem with every version of JFW I have used.

Tony


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having jaws loosing focus?

I get worse. I get the alt key spoken with any other key when
switching screens, such as alt down arrow, alt tab, etc.

.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do
nothing.

On 11/17/2019 5:37 PM, Ron Kolesar wrote:
Hi to all.
Every time I turn around I'm hearing jaws lost focus.
I hope that this is going to be fixed in the December upgrade.
Or, would someone have a fix for this?
Many Thanks.
Ron Emergency Communication Station and Ham Radio Station KR3DOG In
the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and
or Best Whishes, From Ron U.S. Ham Radio Station KR3DOG





















moderated help with correcting a mispelled word

Denise J Moses
 

In a document I changed a word in spell check that I thought was correct.  I discovered later that I had misspelled that word.  I typed the correct spelling in my document & then opened spell check.  It only showed me the misspelled word from before & there was no option to delete or add the corrected spelling.  Where do I make this change?  I went into dictionary manager & it only showed me languages.  The example of the word I am describing is this; Zorumites is the word I changed but is misspelled.  Zoramites is the correct spelling.

Thanks for the help.

 

Denise


moderated Re: Used computer

Randy Barnett
 

Yes it can be done very easily. My ex girlfriend did it all on her own just by doing a google search. You too can find out how easy it is with Google. It does require haveing the pc for at least half an hour and most are pre windows Dos based requiring a sighted person. so you can get into a windows 10 PaPC even if you dont know the user info for any account.

On 11/17/2019 12:28 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Yes, no password can be bypassed by taking out a small piece.
I still would like to know about Windows passwords and if they can really be discovered as easily as Glen and some others here say they can.
As for Apple, what was said is correct. This case was when those two people shot and killed a bunch of people during this Christmas party I think in California and I think it was now 2 years ago or maybe even 3.
Apple said they can't get into the iPhone which, by the way, was not as secure as today's iPhones are, and I think the FBI hired some Israeli company who tried to get in, millions were spent and I honestly can't remember if they succeeded or not.
As for the Face Id thing and a thief pointing it at you that is only correct to some degree. If somebody snatched your iPhone and stuck around all you would have to do is cover your Face with your hands if you are worried. At the same time if a thief stuck around they could just as easily grab your hand and put your finger on the Touch Id home button or, even better, ask you for the passcode. If somebody is that callus I doubt a lot of people would keep their passcode to themselves after a few slaps or punches or being shoved to the ground and kicked a few times which some such thieves probably have few scruples to do.
The fact is that even if he can unlock your phone once with Face Id, he has to make sure it doesn't lock and having unlocked it with Face Id or Touch Id won't do them any good if they want to reset the phone to sell it or even if they want to get into it and disable or change the Face Id/Touch Id/PIN option. As soon as you go to Settings > Passcode you have to enter you passcode. Apple security is indeed very good, even if your phone was stolen and they have your PIN, you could wipe the phone and permanently disable it if you quickly log into iCloud and Find My iPhone also cannot be disabled without the passcode, the only way to stop it from working is to turn off the phone.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

So would I.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

I would love to know what that computer tech meant by taking out a small piece!
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Used computer


This entire security thing seems as farcical as face I D on iPhones. In
order to get into your iPhone all the thief needs to do is point the device
at you and poof he or she can use your device. I'm sure I am wrong but a
computer tech told me years ago all one needs to do to use a password
protected computer is take out a small piece and then anyone can use it
after that.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ratshtron
Sent: November 16, 2019 8:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Used computer

try looking for a software called konboot that should allow you to log in to
those accounts with a password and remove them I think.
otherwise you may have to re--install windows thus removing everything on
the system and starting from scratch.


Legend has it that on Friday 11/15/2019 10:23 PM, Marty Hutchings said:
----------------------------------------
I have a used computer that a neighbor gave me. It is a Windows7 OS.
It has 3 password protected user accounts on it that are using
2/3 of the hard drive space. I don't know the passwords. Is there any
way that I can remove these accounts? Can this computer be restored to
factory fresh without a Windows 7 disk?
----------------------------------------















moderated Re: Is anyone else having jaws loosing focus?

Norma A. Boge
 

When I restart my PC, Jaws starts and then the first thing I hear is "lost focus." Impressive.I'm currently using 2019 but this goes back at least a couple versions. Also bad focus problems using Firefox and at least one other browser, I don't recall which one. I have to set place markers or use the find command to get back to where I need to be. All the new features are nice, but I'd prefer Jaws just do the basic things with reliability.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Onwardbob
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 12:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having jaws loosing focus?

Hi there, when this happens to me and because at least lately it frequently does here's what I do. When leaving the computer I hit the "Windows" key, leaving me on the start page. It This at least stops the annoying message.e

BOB SOUTAR…ONWARD THRU THE FOG

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 8:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having jaws loosing focus?

I would think that a common element, if it is not just Jaws, could be in settings, like the particular desktop chosen or maybe the display driver in use, but it is a Jaws issue not working in certain situations.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Hill" <hillco@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having jaws loosing focus?


I haven't been following this too closely, but I've never had the problem.
One possible common denominator here may be the use of outlook. I've
never used it, and very seldom used any other MS email client, and have
never had the problem. Maybe that is a clue.



On 11/18/2019 09:34, Marty Hutchings wrote:
I have also experienced this starting with JAWS 18. In fact, it
happened just before composing this message. I am running JAWS 2019.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the
rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this
darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to
resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message----- From: Sandra Streeter
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 9:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having jaws loosing focus?

I skipped from JAWS 2016 to 2019; not a problem until 2019, at least
for me.
Annoying!


Sandra

The gift of mental energy comes from God, the supreme being and if we
concentrate our thoughts on this truth we get into harmony with this
great power.
(Nikola Tesla)

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 4:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having jaws loosing focus?

This has been a problem with every version of JFW I have used.

Tony


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having jaws loosing focus?

I get worse. I get the alt key spoken with any other key when
switching screens, such as alt down arrow, alt tab, etc.

.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do
nothing.

On 11/17/2019 5:37 PM, Ron Kolesar wrote:
Hi to all.
Every time I turn around I'm hearing jaws lost focus.
I hope that this is going to be fixed in the December upgrade.
Or, would someone have a fix for this?
Many Thanks.
Ron Emergency Communication Station and Ham Radio Station KR3DOG In
the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and
or Best Whishes, From Ron U.S. Ham Radio Station KR3DOG














moderated Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

JM Casey
 

Well, the idea is interesting and, in response to Randy or someone else who posted on this topic, I started writing a list of the stuff I have on here.
But if not a wiki, or something along a similar concept, what do you suggest?
I mean, the whole point would be that users could contribute, no? otherwise, the project wouldn't really get off the ground -- it would just be one or two guys' opinions on what programmes work well on their homepage, and, as you say, "who wants that?" :P

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: November 18, 2019 2:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I agree there should be a central repository (website) where members or non members who are blind or visually impaired could read about a program and save it to their computer if they want to use a copy, but I disagree it should be connected to a wiki page. I was participating in a group discussion (a few years ago) and we decided to create a wiki page with alot of information about our discussions but hardly anyone wanted to spend the time to contribute to the wiki. plus, using a wiki where members can post inaccurate information about a program or procedure, and who wants that.



-------- Original Message --------
From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 10:18 AM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Many thanks

I have saved your additions and will create a master list.

I agree that a short description would be helpful.

Also eventually a download link or advice on how to get the application would also be helpful I think,.

Someone suggested that a Wiki page may be available to this list which may host this information.

I don’t know if anybody knows if this is true and whether or how we could use it for such a purpose.

Thanks again

David Griffith

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* 18 November 2019 08:31
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

Thanks David, it’s a good start. It will also give us idea about using various JAWS compatible programs which may be useful to us other than we are currently using. Perhaps a small description can be added to those which are not obvious in their use.I have added two extra –Cisco Jabber & Oracle applications

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 3:37 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I followed my own advice and reproduce the list of programs on my system that I have used at least once or twice with Jaws can think is accessible. Some programs I have used more than others. I have used MP3Direct cut hundreds of times but Audacity less so if people want any clarification of the programs I use then the amount of feedback I will be able to give will vary.

By the way in creating the application folder tip I gave earlier I forgot to remember that you get more joy arrowing rightwards rather than with the down arrow in reading what all your installed apps are.

Anyway here we go as a start list.

N.B rather than reproduce all these People could perhaps add programs that they are using to this list and I can try and consolidate it all into a master list.

Programs I am personally using with Jaws.

7-Zip

ABBYY FineReader 12

Audacity

Audible Manager and downloader

Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader)

BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie)

BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie)

Belarc Advisor (Diagnostics)

Brave Browser

Bookworm (eBook reader – only just installed)

Bulk Rename Utility

CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)

CD Burner XP (CD Burner – have only used to limited extent)

CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications running)

Clock2 (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Copy file Names

Copy Path

Codex eBook Converter.

Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on Cisco website

Daisy Book Generator

DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory.

Dropbox

DVD Audio Extractor

Eloquence

Excel

Explorer ++

Firefox Portable

Format Factory (File Conversion)

FreeM4B to Mp3 converter

FSReader 3

GoldWave

Google Chrome

Humanware Companion (For Victor reader Devices)

Internet Explorer

Inaudible Audible book Converter

iCloud (for transfer to iPone and iPad)

iTunes

IrfanView (image viewer- now only use to Jaws OCR on)

Jarte +(Wordpad Replacement with spellchecker and other features)

Jaws 2019

JAWS 2020

Kindle Accessible Version

Kurzweil 1000 v. 14

NVDA

Mail

Master Seeker (Fast file finder)

Microsoft Edge

Mp3Directcut (easy editing of mp3 files)

MP3Gain(increase volume of mp3 files)

MP3Tag (edit and quickly create mp3 ags)

Narrator

Notepad

Office

OneDrive

Outlook

Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing and saving of contacts)

Open Book

Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance module which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)

QCast (Podcast downloader)

QRead (eBook Reader)

OverDrive for Windows

People

Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader)

Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)

RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Sendspace Wizard

Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard)

Speak On Media Suite (For accessing RNIB Newspapers etc)

Spotify

SyncBack Free (Back up utility)

Switch (Media Converter)

Task Manager

Tapin Radio

TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books)

Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing)

TWBlue (Twitter Client)

Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)

VLC media player

Windows Media Player

Waterfox Portable

Word

WordPad

Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound car)

Hope we can start something here.

of

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*From: *David Griffith via Groups.Io
<mailto:daj.griffith=gmail.com@groups.io>
*Sent: *15 November 2019 14:12
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I changed the subject line to reflect the new discussion.

As a starting point on this list it would be useful if people could list the programs they know work well on their system with Jaws.

I can offer one tip to make it easier to establish which app people have on their system. Someone might have a better idea.

If you type or copy and paste the following command into the windows R run dialogue,

shell:AppsFolder command

and press enter

This will open a list view with all the apps you have on your system.

You can simply arrow down to review then all.

Here you can press enter to run the app or perhaps more usefully use the context key to create a shortcut .

For our purposes here you simply have to cursor down the list of aps, after about 10 apps open the Jaws speech history with insert space , then H and you should see the list of apps you have arrowed down in a form that you can copy and paste into a notepad file by pressing control a and then control c.

Alt tab back to your apps folder and continue cursoring down for about
10 app, open speech history history again and copy the resulting apps into your notepad file.

Continue until you have a file list of all the apps on your system.

As I say someone else might have a more elegant solution.

In any case edit the Notepad file to delete all the apps you know don’t work with Jaws.

Also you should probably delete any app that you don’t know if they work with Jaws or if you don’t want anybody else to know you have this app on your system.

I’ll try and do this as a starter list and others can then add or criticise the resulting list I have.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@...>
*Sent: *15 November 2019 13:24
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Yes David, even I was delighted to find that JAWS works on this as it didn’t work on other apps I tried.

As for having a resource which could provide us with the list of JAWS accessible program, I think it will be immensely useful. Perhaps we can put the programs/Apps names in an excel and share it. May be we can give it versions so if any one wishes to add any list of programs or apps names, they can add these to the existing list and save it to the next version and share it in this group.

Perhaps it would work at least for the interim untill such a resource is available through Vispero.

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 12:33 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Very glad it worked– I did see this option on the Microsoft Store but I was not sure you would be able to use it. I am especially pleased it is accessible with Jaws. Not all apps are though I think the situation is improving.

We need an Apple Vis type website with category lists of programs and Microsoft Store Apps Which are confirmed to work with Jaws.

There is something called NVDA Road tested Programs on Accessibility Net which is pretty much guaranteed to provide options for Jaws as well but somethings are accessible with Jaws and not NVDA and vice versa.

There used to be a Programs page on the old Jaws User Mailing list website but this seems defunct now and will not load here. Tom Lorimore’s White Stick website will not be update given his recent sad death. I don’t know if anybody else knows of a similar resource?

VFO Should really host this for the community I guess but if anybody has a web page that could be used I would be happy to provide some program suggestions and comments.

David Griffith

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* 15 November 2019 08:26
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Good Idea David, I tried a world clock app on the Microsoft store and it is accessible with JAWS and it groups different time zones although I have to navigate few times to reach it. Good part is that I can add more
than five, not that I need that manyJ

Thanks for the suggestion.

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:22 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

As a workaround have you tried separate World Clock applications or Website?

For example

https://greenwichmeantime.com/timepiece/world-clock/

Once you have set a website like this up to your desired time zone you can set it up as a shortcut on your desktop or even, with a bit of further fiddling and editing of the shortcut, put it on the windows 10 Taskbar. Let me know if you want instructions on this.

In terms of apps rather than websites I think you will need to search for World Clock apps rather than clock apps as normal clock applications will just provide the standard feedback from the system time.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@...>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 07:35
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Yes I did try to go to the clock after pressing Windows B and then navigating to the system clock however it only provides feedback for one clock and not the other one.

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:06 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

You probably cannot do it with the JAWS F12 keystroke to check time, but if both clocks appear on your System tray in the bottom right of your screen, then you can try using Windows key B to get to the system tray, then arrowing left or right to hear the clocks. I usually find focus is at the far left of the icons in the system tray, so it is fastest to arrow left and focus will quickly circle around to the far right of the icons where the standard system clock is.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:01 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Hi members,

Can I check time for two time zones simultaneously using JAWS?

I have added two clocks however JAWS just provides feedback for one of it so not sure how to access time for the other one.

Thanks,

Meesha



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moderated Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

David Griffith
 

OK does anybody have any other ideas for a repository site?
I have approached the British Computer Association of the Blind ( Now Technology Assistance for VIP ) and they have agreed to discuss whether they can help with a page on their website at their Board Meeting on Thursday but an alternative back up plan might also be useful.
David Griffith

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: 18 November 2019 19:53
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I agree there should be a central repository (website) where members or non members who are blind or visually impaired could read about a program and save it to their computer if they want to use a copy, but I disagree it should be connected to a wiki page. I was participating in a group discussion (a few years ago) and we decided to create a wiki page with alot of information about our discussions but hardly anyone wanted to spend the time to contribute to the wiki. plus, using a wiki where members can post inaccurate information about a program or procedure, and who wants that.



-------- Original Message --------
From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 10:18 AM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Many thanks

I have saved your additions and will create a master list.

I agree that a short description would be helpful.

Also eventually a download link or advice on how to get the application would also be helpful I think,.

Someone suggested that a Wiki page may be available to this list which may host this information.

I don’t know if anybody knows if this is true and whether or how we could use it for such a purpose.

Thanks again

David Griffith

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* 18 November 2019 08:31
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

Thanks David, it’s a good start. It will also give us idea about using various JAWS compatible programs which may be useful to us other than we are currently using. Perhaps a small description can be added to those which are not obvious in their use.I have added two extra –Cisco Jabber & Oracle applications

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 3:37 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I followed my own advice and reproduce the list of programs on my system that I have used at least once or twice with Jaws can think is accessible. Some programs I have used more than others. I have used MP3Direct cut hundreds of times but Audacity less so if people want any clarification of the programs I use then the amount of feedback I will be able to give will vary.

By the way in creating the application folder tip I gave earlier I forgot to remember that you get more joy arrowing rightwards rather than with the down arrow in reading what all your installed apps are.

Anyway here we go as a start list.

N.B rather than reproduce all these People could perhaps add programs that they are using to this list and I can try and consolidate it all into a master list.

Programs I am personally using with Jaws.

7-Zip

ABBYY FineReader 12

Audacity

Audible Manager and downloader

Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader)

BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie)

BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie)

Belarc Advisor (Diagnostics)

Brave Browser

Bookworm (eBook reader – only just installed)

Bulk Rename Utility

CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)

CD Burner XP (CD Burner – have only used to limited extent)

CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications running)

Clock2 (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Copy file Names

Copy Path

Codex eBook Converter.

Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on Cisco website

Daisy Book Generator

DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory.

Dropbox

DVD Audio Extractor

Eloquence

Excel

Explorer ++

Firefox Portable

Format Factory (File Conversion)

FreeM4B to Mp3 converter

FSReader 3

GoldWave

Google Chrome

Humanware Companion (For Victor reader Devices)

Internet Explorer

Inaudible Audible book Converter

iCloud (for transfer to iPone and iPad)

iTunes

IrfanView (image viewer- now only use to Jaws OCR on)

Jarte +(Wordpad Replacement with spellchecker and other features)

Jaws 2019

JAWS 2020

Kindle Accessible Version

Kurzweil 1000 v. 14

NVDA

Mail

Master Seeker (Fast file finder)

Microsoft Edge

Mp3Directcut (easy editing of mp3 files)

MP3Gain(increase volume of mp3 files)

MP3Tag (edit and quickly create mp3 ags)

Narrator

Notepad

Office

OneDrive

Outlook

Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing and saving of contacts)

Open Book

Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance module which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)

QCast (Podcast downloader)

QRead (eBook Reader)

OverDrive for Windows

People

Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader)

Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)

RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Sendspace Wizard

Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard)

Speak On Media Suite (For accessing RNIB Newspapers etc)

Spotify

SyncBack Free (Back up utility)

Switch (Media Converter)

Task Manager

Tapin Radio

TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books)

Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing)

TWBlue (Twitter Client)

Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)

VLC media player

Windows Media Player

Waterfox Portable

Word

WordPad

Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound car)

Hope we can start something here.

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*From: *David Griffith via Groups.Io
<mailto:daj.griffith=gmail.com@groups.io>
*Sent: *15 November 2019 14:12
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I changed the subject line to reflect the new discussion.

As a starting point on this list it would be useful if people could list the programs they know work well on their system with Jaws.

I can offer one tip to make it easier to establish which app people have on their system. Someone might have a better idea.

If you type or copy and paste the following command into the windows R run dialogue,

shell:AppsFolder command

and press enter

This will open a list view with all the apps you have on your system.

You can simply arrow down to review then all.

Here you can press enter to run the app or perhaps more usefully use the context key to create a shortcut .

For our purposes here you simply have to cursor down the list of aps, after about 10 apps open the Jaws speech history with insert space , then H and you should see the list of apps you have arrowed down in a form that you can copy and paste into a notepad file by pressing control a and then control c.

Alt tab back to your apps folder and continue cursoring down for about
10 app, open speech history history again and copy the resulting apps into your notepad file.

Continue until you have a file list of all the apps on your system.

As I say someone else might have a more elegant solution.

In any case edit the Notepad file to delete all the apps you know don’t work with Jaws.

Also you should probably delete any app that you don’t know if they work with Jaws or if you don’t want anybody else to know you have this app on your system.

I’ll try and do this as a starter list and others can then add or criticise the resulting list I have.

David Griffith

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*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@...>
*Sent: *15 November 2019 13:24
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Yes David, even I was delighted to find that JAWS works on this as it didn’t work on other apps I tried.

As for having a resource which could provide us with the list of JAWS accessible program, I think it will be immensely useful. Perhaps we can put the programs/Apps names in an excel and share it. May be we can give it versions so if any one wishes to add any list of programs or apps names, they can add these to the existing list and save it to the next version and share it in this group.

Perhaps it would work at least for the interim untill such a resource is available through Vispero.

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 12:33 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Very glad it worked– I did see this option on the Microsoft Store but I was not sure you would be able to use it. I am especially pleased it is accessible with Jaws. Not all apps are though I think the situation is improving.

We need an Apple Vis type website with category lists of programs and Microsoft Store Apps Which are confirmed to work with Jaws.

There is something called NVDA Road tested Programs on Accessibility Net which is pretty much guaranteed to provide options for Jaws as well but somethings are accessible with Jaws and not NVDA and vice versa.

There used to be a Programs page on the old Jaws User Mailing list website but this seems defunct now and will not load here. Tom Lorimore’s White Stick website will not be update given his recent sad death. I don’t know if anybody else knows of a similar resource?

VFO Should really host this for the community I guess but if anybody has a web page that could be used I would be happy to provide some program suggestions and comments.

David Griffith

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* 15 November 2019 08:26
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Good Idea David, I tried a world clock app on the Microsoft store and it is accessible with JAWS and it groups different time zones although I have to navigate few times to reach it. Good part is that I can add more
than five, not that I need that manyJ

Thanks for the suggestion.

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:22 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

As a workaround have you tried separate World Clock applications or Website?

For example

https://greenwichmeantime.com/timepiece/world-clock/

Once you have set a website like this up to your desired time zone you can set it up as a shortcut on your desktop or even, with a bit of further fiddling and editing of the shortcut, put it on the windows 10 Taskbar. Let me know if you want instructions on this.

In terms of apps rather than websites I think you will need to search for World Clock apps rather than clock apps as normal clock applications will just provide the standard feedback from the system time.

David Griffith

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*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@...>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 07:35
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Yes I did try to go to the clock after pressing Windows B and then navigating to the system clock however it only provides feedback for one clock and not the other one.

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:06 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

You probably cannot do it with the JAWS F12 keystroke to check time, but if both clocks appear on your System tray in the bottom right of your screen, then you can try using Windows key B to get to the system tray, then arrowing left or right to hear the clocks. I usually find focus is at the far left of the icons in the system tray, so it is fastest to arrow left and focus will quickly circle around to the far right of the icons where the standard system clock is.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:01 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Hi members,

Can I check time for two time zones simultaneously using JAWS?

I have added two clocks however JAWS just provides feedback for one of it so not sure how to access time for the other one.

Thanks,

Meesha



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moderated Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

Mario
 

I agree there should be a central repository (website) where members or
non members who are blind or visually impaired could read about a
program and save it to their computer if they want to use a copy, but I
disagree it should be connected to a wiki page. I was participating in a
group discussion (a few years ago) and we decided to create a wiki page
with alot of information about our discussions but hardly anyone wanted
to spend the time to contribute to the wiki. plus, using a wiki where
members can post inaccurate information about a program or procedure,
and who wants that.

-------- Original Message --------
From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 10:18 AM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
Many thanks

I have saved your additions and will create a master list.

I agree that a short description would be helpful.

Also eventually a download link or advice on how to get the application
would also be helpful I think,.

Someone suggested that a Wiki page may be available to this list which
may host this information.

I don’t know if  anybody knows if this is true and whether  or how we
could  use it for such a purpose.

Thanks again

David Griffith

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* 18 November 2019 08:31
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

Thanks David, it’s a good start. It will also give us idea about using
various JAWS compatible programs which may be useful to us other than we
are currently using. Perhaps a small description can be added to those
which are not obvious in their use.I have added two extra –Cisco Jabber
& Oracle applications

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 3:37 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I followed my own advice and reproduce the list of programs on my system
that I have used at least once or twice with Jaws  can think is
accessible. Some programs I have used more than others. I have used
MP3Direct cut hundreds of times but Audacity less so if people want any
clarification of the programs I use then the amount of feedback I will
be able to give  will vary.

By the way in creating the application folder tip I gave earlier I
forgot to remember that you get more joy arrowing rightwards rather than
with the down arrow in reading what all your installed apps are.

Anyway here we go as a start list.

N.B rather than reproduce all these People could perhaps add programs
that they are using to this list and I can try and consolidate it all
into a master list.

Programs I am personally using with Jaws.

7-Zip

ABBYY FineReader 12

Audacity

Audible Manager and downloader

Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader)

BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie)

BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie)

Belarc Advisor (Diagnostics)

Brave Browser

Bookworm (eBook reader – only just installed)

Bulk Rename Utility

CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)

CD Burner XP (CD Burner – have only used to limited extent)

CloseAll  (Closes all windows and applications running)

Clock2 (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Copy file Names

Copy Path

Codex eBook Converter.

Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on Cisco
website

Daisy Book Generator

DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory.

Dropbox

DVD Audio Extractor

Eloquence

Excel

Explorer ++

Firefox Portable

Format Factory (File Conversion)

FreeM4B to Mp3 converter

FSReader 3

GoldWave

Google Chrome

Humanware Companion  (For Victor reader Devices)

Internet Explorer

Inaudible Audible book Converter

iCloud  (for transfer to iPone and iPad)

iTunes

IrfanView  (image viewer- now only use to Jaws OCR on)

Jarte +(Wordpad Replacement with spellchecker and other features)

Jaws 2019

JAWS 2020

Kindle Accessible Version

Kurzweil 1000 v. 14

NVDA

Mail

Master Seeker (Fast file finder)

Microsoft Edge

Mp3Directcut (easy editing of mp3 files)

MP3Gain(increase volume of mp3 files)

MP3Tag (edit and quickly create  mp3 ags)

Narrator

Notepad

Office

OneDrive

Outlook

Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing  and
saving of contacts)

Open Book

Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance module
which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)

QCast (Podcast downloader)

QRead (eBook Reader)

OverDrive for Windows

People

Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader)

Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)

RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Sendspace Wizard

Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard)

Speak On Media Suite (For accessing RNIB Newspapers etc)

Spotify

SyncBack Free (Back up utility)

Switch  (Media Converter)

Task Manager

Tapin Radio

TextAloud  3 (Creates TTS Audio Books)

Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing)

TWBlue  (Twitter Client)

Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)

VLC media player

Windows Media Player

Waterfox Portable

Word

WordPad

Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound car)

Hope we can start something here.

of

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *David Griffith via Groups.Io
<mailto:daj.griffith=gmail.com@groups.io>
*Sent: *15 November 2019 14:12
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I changed the subject line to reflect the new discussion.

As a starting point on this list it would be useful if people could list
the programs they know work well on their system with Jaws.

I can offer one tip  to make it easier to establish which app people
have on their system. Someone might have a better idea.

If you type or copy and paste the following command into the windows R
run dialogue,

shell:AppsFolder command

and press enter

This will open a list view with  all the apps you have on your system.

You can simply arrow down to review then all.

Here you can press enter to run the app or perhaps more usefully use the
context key to create a shortcut .

For our purposes here you simply have to cursor down the list of aps,
after about 10 apps open the Jaws speech history with insert space ,
then H and you should see the list  of apps you have arrowed down in a
form that you can copy and paste into a notepad file by pressing control
a and then control c.

Alt tab back to your apps folder and continue cursoring down for about
10 app, open speech history history again and copy the resulting apps
into your notepad file.

Continue until you have a file list of all the apps on your system.

As I say someone else might have a more elegant solution.

In any case edit the Notepad file to delete all the apps you know don’t
work with Jaws.

Also you should probably delete any app that you don’t know if they work
with Jaws or if you don’t want anybody else to know you have this app on
your system.

I’ll try and do this as a starter list and others can then add or
criticise the resulting list I have.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@...>
*Sent: *15 November 2019 13:24
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Yes David, even I was delighted to find that JAWS works on this as it
didn’t work on other apps I tried.

As for having a resource which could provide us with the list of JAWS
accessible program, I think it will be immensely useful. Perhaps we can
put the programs/Apps names in an excel and share it. May be we can give
it versions so if any one wishes to add any list of programs or apps
names, they can add these to the existing list and save it to the next
version and share it in this group.

Perhaps it would work at least for the interim untill such a resource is
available through Vispero.

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 12:33 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Very glad it worked– I did see this option on the Microsoft Store  but I
was not sure you would be able to use it.  I am especially pleased it is
accessible with Jaws. Not all apps are though I think the situation is
improving.

We need an Apple Vis type website with category lists of programs and
Microsoft Store Apps Which are confirmed  to work with Jaws.

There is something  called NVDA Road tested Programs on Accessibility
Net which is pretty much guaranteed to provide options for Jaws as well
but somethings are accessible with Jaws and not NVDA and vice versa.

There used to be a Programs page on the old Jaws User Mailing list
website but this seems defunct now and will not load here.  Tom
Lorimore’s White Stick website will not be update given his recent sad
death. I don’t know if anybody else knows of a similar resource?

VFO Should really host this  for the community I guess but if anybody
has a web page that could be used I would be happy to provide some
program suggestions and comments.

David Griffith

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* 15 November 2019 08:26
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Good Idea David, I tried a world clock app on the Microsoft store and it
is accessible with JAWS and it groups different time zones although I
have to navigate few times to reach it. Good part is that I can add more
 than five, not that I need that manyJ

Thanks for the suggestion.

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:22 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

As a workaround have you tried separate World Clock  applications or
Website?

For example

https://greenwichmeantime.com/timepiece/world-clock/

Once you have set  a website like this up to your desired time zone you
can set it up as a shortcut on your desktop or even, with a bit of
further fiddling and editing of the shortcut, put it on the windows 10
Taskbar. Let me know if you want instructions on this.

In terms of apps rather than websites I think you will need to search
for World Clock  apps rather than clock apps as normal clock
applications will just provide the standard feedback from the system time.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@...>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 07:35
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Yes I did try to go to the clock after pressing Windows B and then
navigating to the system clock however it only provides feedback for one
clock and not the other one.

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Van
Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:06 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

You probably cannot do it with the JAWS F12 keystroke to check time, but
if both clocks appear on your System tray in the bottom right of your
screen, then you can try using Windows key B to get to the system tray,
then arrowing left or right to hear the clocks.  I usually find focus is
at the far left of the icons in the system tray, so it is fastest to
arrow left and focus will quickly circle around to the far right of the
icons where the standard system clock is.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:01 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Hi members,

Can I check time for two time zones simultaneously using JAWS?

I have added two clocks however JAWS just provides feedback for one of
it so not sure how to access time for the other one.

Thanks,

Meesha



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moderated Re: Is anyone else having jaws loosing focus?

Onwardbob
 

Hi there, when this happens to me and because at least lately it frequently does here's what I do. When leaving the computer I hit the "Windows" key, leaving me on the start page. It This at least stops the annoying message.e

BOB SOUTAR…ONWARD THRU THE FOG

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 8:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having jaws loosing focus?

I would think that a common element, if it is not just Jaws, could be in
settings, like the particular desktop chosen or maybe the display driver in
use, but it is a Jaws issue not working in certain situations.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Hill" <hillco@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having jaws loosing focus?


I haven't been following this too closely, but I've never had the problem.
One possible common denominator here may be the use of outlook. I've never
used it, and very seldom used any other MS email client, and have never had
the problem. Maybe that is a clue.



On 11/18/2019 09:34, Marty Hutchings wrote:
I have also experienced this starting with JAWS 18. In fact, it happened
just before composing this message. I am running JAWS 2019.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against
the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to
resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message----- From: Sandra Streeter
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 9:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having jaws loosing focus?

I skipped from JAWS 2016 to 2019; not a problem until 2019, at least for
me.
Annoying!


Sandra

The gift of mental energy comes from God, the supreme being and if we
concentrate our thoughts on this truth we get into harmony with this
great
power.
(Nikola Tesla)

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 4:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having jaws loosing focus?

This has been a problem with every version of JFW I have used.

Tony


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having jaws loosing focus?

I get worse. I get the alt key spoken with any other key when switching
screens, such as alt down arrow, alt tab, etc.

.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do
nothing.

On 11/17/2019 5:37 PM, Ron Kolesar wrote:
Hi to all.
Every time I turn around I'm hearing jaws lost focus.
I hope that this is going to be fixed in the December upgrade.
Or, would someone have a fix for this?
Many Thanks.
Ron Emergency Communication Station and Ham Radio Station KR3DOG
In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards
and or Best Whishes,
From Ron U.S. Ham Radio Station KR3DOG














moderated Mechanical Keyboard

David Griffith
 

I realised that there had been thread drift away from the actual focus issue so I have resubmitted my post with an amended subject. See below.

I bought a mechanical "gamers" keyboard from Amazon and it is one of my best ever purchases. Apparently it has various LED lights on it which I cannot see but apart from that it feels just an old fashioned big ergonomic beast which has large, noisy clickable keys, spaced out numpad and 6 pack, plus functions keys in blocks of4 keys which makes identifying them easy. The only tactile dots I have added my self is on the 5 and the 0 keys on the number row.
Amazon describes my keyboard as follows.
Mechanical Keyboard, [High Quality]Pictek Gaming Keyboard 105-Key LED with Multi-color 9 Backlight and USB Cable Attached Key Cap Puller Fit for Gamer PICTEKSold by: YongTop

David Griffith

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: 18 November 2019 17:32
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having jaws loosing focus?

I have mechanical keyboards at work and this Alt key thing is never an issue any more for me.
I happens occasionally on my Logitech K780 which I use at home, but I would say it's once a month or even less often.
This is with Jaws 2020 now although I don't recall it being worse in 2019. The losing focus issue happens a bit more often, but it certainly sounds like some people experience this a lot more often as well, I can typically Alt Tab between a bunch of open applications without any problems. Sometimes if I close an application I do lose focus and then pressing either Windows + M to minimize to the desktop works or pressing Alt Tab to go to another open application.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of CJ &AA MAY
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 1:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having jaws loosing focus?

I am so pleased you have mentioned this as I was going to buy a new keyboard, thinking that my keyboard might be at fault.
Almost everytime I use a combination of keys like alt/tab or windows key/d to get to the desktop, the computer behaves as though the alt or windows key is still depressed - it isn't, but that is how it behaves. In fact it happens for that little group of three keys, alt, windows key and the control key, but it is the alt which is particularly nuisancesome.
Alison


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: 17 November 2019 23:41
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having jaws loosing focus?

I get worse. I get the alt key spoken with any other key when switching screens, such as alt down arrow, alt tab, etc.

.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

On 11/17/2019 5:37 PM, Ron Kolesar wrote:
Hi to all.
Every time I turn around I'm hearing jaws lost focus.
I hope that this is going to be fixed in the December upgrade.
Or, would someone have a fix for this?
Many Thanks.
Ron Emergency Communication Station and Ham Radio Station KR3DOG In
the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and
or Best Whishes, From Ron U.S. Ham Radio Station KR3DOG


moderated Re: Is anyone else having jaws loosing focus?

David Griffith
 

I bought a mechanical "gamers" keyboard from Amazon and it is one of my best ever purchases. Apparently it has various LED lights on it which I cannot see but apart from that it feels just an old fashioned big ergonomic beast which has large, noisy clickable keys, spaced out numpad and 6 pack, plus functions keys in blocks of4 keys which makes identifying them easy. The only tactile dots I have added my self is on the 5 and the 0 keys on the number row.
Amazon describes my keyboard as follows.
Mechanical Keyboard, [High Quality]Pictek Gaming Keyboard 105-Key LED with Multi-color 9 Backlight and USB Cable Attached Key Cap Puller Fit for Gamer
PICTEKSold by: YongTop

David Griffith

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: 18 November 2019 17:32
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having jaws loosing focus?

I have mechanical keyboards at work and this Alt key thing is never an issue any more for me.
I happens occasionally on my Logitech K780 which I use at home, but I would say it's once a month or even less often.
This is with Jaws 2020 now although I don't recall it being worse in 2019. The losing focus issue happens a bit more often, but it certainly sounds like some people experience this a lot more often as well, I can typically Alt Tab between a bunch of open applications without any problems. Sometimes if I close an application I do lose focus and then pressing either Windows + M to minimize to the desktop works or pressing Alt Tab to go to another open application.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of CJ &AA MAY
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 1:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having jaws loosing focus?

I am so pleased you have mentioned this as I was going to buy a new keyboard, thinking that my keyboard might be at fault.
Almost everytime I use a combination of keys like alt/tab or windows key/d to get to the desktop, the computer behaves as though the alt or windows key is still depressed - it isn't, but that is how it behaves. In fact it happens for that little group of three keys, alt, windows key and the control key, but it is the alt which is particularly nuisancesome.
Alison


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: 17 November 2019 23:41
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having jaws loosing focus?

I get worse. I get the alt key spoken with any other key when switching screens, such as alt down arrow, alt tab, etc.

.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

On 11/17/2019 5:37 PM, Ron Kolesar wrote:
Hi to all.
Every time I turn around I'm hearing jaws lost focus.
I hope that this is going to be fixed in the December upgrade.
Or, would someone have a fix for this?
Many Thanks.
Ron Emergency Communication Station and Ham Radio Station KR3DOG In
the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and
or Best Whishes, From Ron U.S. Ham Radio Station KR3DOG


moderated Re: Is anyone else having jaws loosing focus?

Marty Hutchings
 

I am using Windows Live Mail and it happens to me. It is like JAWS doesn't know what open program to throw focus on to. It leaves the choice up to you as to which program you want to go to.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

-----Original Message-----
From: Marty Hutchings via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 9:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having jaws loosing focus?

I have also experienced this starting with JAWS 18. In fact, it happened
just before composing this message. I am running JAWS 2019.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the
spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist
in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message-----
From: Sandra Streeter
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 9:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having jaws loosing focus?

I skipped from JAWS 2016 to 2019; not a problem until 2019, at least for me.
Annoying!


Sandra

The gift of mental energy comes from God, the supreme being and if we
concentrate our thoughts on this truth we get into harmony with this great
power.
(Nikola Tesla)

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 4:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having jaws loosing focus?

This has been a problem with every version of JFW I have used.

Tony


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is anyone else having jaws loosing focus?

I get worse. I get the alt key spoken with any other key when switching
screens, such as alt down arrow, alt tab, etc.

.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

On 11/17/2019 5:37 PM, Ron Kolesar wrote:
Hi to all.
Every time I turn around I'm hearing jaws lost focus.
I hope that this is going to be fixed in the December upgrade.
Or, would someone have a fix for this?
Many Thanks.
Ron Emergency Communication Station and Ham Radio Station KR3DOG
In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards
and or Best Whishes,
From Ron U.S. Ham Radio Station KR3DOG