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moderated Re: Esoteric punctuation question.

Flor Lynch
 

I wish I had known that in 1998 when I was doing computer typing speed tests. <grin>.

-----Original Message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 10:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question.

Hi.

At the risk of going a bit off-topic for the list -- how long ago was your
keyboarding class?
The reason people used to put two spaces after periods had to do with manual
typewriters and the "monospace" font style they used. Every character took
up exactly the same amount of horizontal space on a piece of paper, so as a
result, it could sometimes be difficult to tell there was a space at all at
the end of some sentences unless the typist used two of them. This has
changed since the advent of electric typewriters, and, indeed, computers,
with their myriad numbers of proportional font styles. In fact though, the
so-called two space rule you would have learned in keyboarding class was
introduced *only* because of the typewriter. You would not have seen a
professionally typeset book done this way.

The tone is maybe a little bit strident, but this article from Slate
explains the history of it all pretty well.
https://slate.com/technology/2011/01/two-spaces-after-a-period-why-you-shoul
d-never-ever-do-it.html


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: August 19, 2019 4:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question.

I remember back in my keyboarding class that you are to put 2 spaces after a
period at the end of each sentence. I notice too many times lately in
things that I read that there is only 1 space after the period. this could
make some difference.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the
spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist
in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 1:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question.

It's not JAWS or NVDA, but the synthesiser you are using, I think, that
injects pauses where appropriate, or not, as the case may be.

Why would you end a sentence and not begin the next one with a capital
letter? That is proper. The synth has rules that it tries to follow, and
those rules should approximate actual grammar rules.

What synth are you using with NVDA? If you switch to the same synth using
JAWS, I bet you will find their behaviour will also be the same. I can't
guarantee it, because this isn't something I have thought about much. I like
a very short pause; the 1core voices from Microsoft drive me nuts with their
default setting of a pause of, I think, over a second after a period.
Eloquence is about right, for me.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: August 19, 2019 2:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question.

I just tried with NVDA and discovered that if a following sentence after a
period and space starts with a capitol letter, the pause is there. if this
is the correct way to have a pause before a new sentense is read, then why
does JAWS pause even if the first letter of a sentence following a period
and a space is not capitolized, is this wrong?

I'd still would like to know those tweaks Robin eluded too.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, August 19, 2019, 1:36 PM
Subject: Esoteric punctuation question.

if I may ask, what tweaks would that be? I find that using the Espeak NG
with NVDA, sometimes there is a pause after a period and sometimes there
isn't any pause. it's like two sentences spoken as one long one. it doesn't
make any difference which variant is tried. so it seems that it's an NVDA
issue? if not, what can I do about it?





-------- Original Message --------
From: Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
[mailto:Robin_Van_Lant=Key.com@groups.io]
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, August 19, 2019, 10:47 AM
Subject: Esoteric punctuation question.

I don't think Vocalizer is any better. Much of the time the pause is an
acceptable level, but there are enough times when it's almost as if there is
no pause at all. I'll go back to see if I forgot to type a period and find
one there, but Vocalizer doesn't pause as I would hope.
I'll play with the recommended tweaks someone posted.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 2:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question.

I think that a pause after a period is largely synthesiser dependent. So
some synths will insert longer ones, others won't. By default, the 1core
voices from Microsoft have what is, to me, an insanely lengthy pause between
both period and the next sentence and after a comma. You can adjust this in
a very well hidden and protected .ini file. I don't think Eloquence has
anything similar. Maybe reduce the general speech rate (although I know this
isn't exactly what you want), or try Vocalizer, or one of the Microsoft
voices.


From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of
fenderwal@...<mailto:fenderwal@...>
Sent: August 17, 2019 7:05 AM
To: jfw@groups.io<mailto:jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Esoteric punctuation question.

Hi, folks.

I decided to get serious about learning JFW. Lots of interesting
discoveries, and, a few puzzles.

Here is one. I noticed that with or without punctuation spoken, JAWS kind of
rushes past what I consider to be normal length punctuation pause intervals.
With Window-Eyes, I was able to put a period character after char.chr
dictionary entries, thereby increasing the pause interval. This does not
work with the JAWS Eloquence voice, however. To my question.

Is there a setting in JAWS to adjust punctuation pause intervals?

Thank you in advance for your help,
Lou N.



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moderated Re: Esoteric punctuation question.

Flor Lynch
 

You don't have to do that any more. The reason has to do with there now being proportional fonts and proportional spacing, whereas in the past, different types had differently proportioned spacing. . Leaving one space between sentences is more efficient, and the two spaces doesn't make any difference to JAWS' pausing or not pausing between sentences.

There is a pause with Eloquence between properly constructed sentences; but the pause is very small - and that's a matter of opinion or reader/listener's judgment.

-----Original Message-----
From: Marty Hutchings
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 9:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question.

I remember back in my keyboarding class that you are to put 2 spaces after a
period at the end of each sentence. I notice too many times lately in
things that I read that there is only 1 space after the period. this could
make some difference.



Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the
spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist
in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
-----Original Message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 1:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question.

It's not JAWS or NVDA, but the synthesiser you are using, I think, that
injects pauses where appropriate, or not, as the case may be.

Why would you end a sentence and not begin the next one with a capital
letter? That is proper. The synth has rules that it tries to follow, and
those rules should approximate actual grammar rules.

What synth are you using with NVDA? If you switch to the same synth using
JAWS, I bet you will find their behaviour will also be the same. I can't
guarantee it, because this isn't something I have thought about much. I like
a very short pause; the 1core voices from Microsoft drive me nuts with their
default setting of a pause of, I think, over a second after a period.
Eloquence is about right, for me.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: August 19, 2019 2:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question.

I just tried with NVDA and discovered that if a following sentence after a
period and space starts with a capitol letter, the pause is there. if this
is the correct way to have a pause before a new sentense is read, then why
does JAWS pause even if the first letter of a sentence following a period
and a space is not capitolized, is this wrong?

I'd still would like to know those tweaks Robin eluded too.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, August 19, 2019, 1:36 PM
Subject: Esoteric punctuation question.

if I may ask, what tweaks would that be? I find that using the Espeak NG
with NVDA, sometimes there is a pause after a period and sometimes there
isn't any pause. it's like two sentences spoken as one long one. it doesn't
make any difference which variant is tried. so it seems that it's an NVDA
issue? if not, what can I do about it?





-------- Original Message --------
From: Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
[mailto:Robin_Van_Lant=Key.com@groups.io]
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, August 19, 2019, 10:47 AM
Subject: Esoteric punctuation question.

I don't think Vocalizer is any better. Much of the time the pause is an
acceptable level, but there are enough times when it's almost as if there is
no pause at all. I'll go back to see if I forgot to type a period and find
one there, but Vocalizer doesn't pause as I would hope.
I'll play with the recommended tweaks someone posted.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 2:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question.

I think that a pause after a period is largely synthesiser dependent. So
some synths will insert longer ones, others won't. By default, the 1core
voices from Microsoft have what is, to me, an insanely lengthy pause between
both period and the next sentence and after a comma. You can adjust this in
a very well hidden and protected .ini file. I don't think Eloquence has
anything similar. Maybe reduce the general speech rate (although I know this
isn't exactly what you want), or try Vocalizer, or one of the Microsoft
voices.


From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of
fenderwal@...<mailto:fenderwal@...>
Sent: August 17, 2019 7:05 AM
To: jfw@groups.io<mailto:jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Esoteric punctuation question.

Hi, folks.

I decided to get serious about learning JFW. Lots of interesting
discoveries, and, a few puzzles.

Here is one. I noticed that with or without punctuation spoken, JAWS kind of
rushes past what I consider to be normal length punctuation pause intervals.
With Window-Eyes, I was able to put a period character after char.chr
dictionary entries, thereby increasing the pause interval. This does not
work with the JAWS Eloquence voice, however. To my question.

Is there a setting in JAWS to adjust punctuation pause intervals?

Thank you in advance for your help,
Lou N.



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moderated Re: Esoteric punctuation question.

Flor Lynch
 

Several Pro’s demonstrating JAWS like to have punctuation set to ALL in the JAWS general settings, so that every coma, semicolon, period, exclamation mark, question mark, ... you get the drift ... is spoken aloud. This is to me very artificial: but it does make JAWS Eloquence etc speak the punctuation marks, and therefore ‘pause’ between phrases.
 
Another avenue to explore is the Customize Punctuation dialogue, where you can set JAWS to SILENCE the speaking of ‘None, Some, Most, All’ occurrences of a punctuation mark. And the most drastic solution I can think of is to set JAWS to read ALL Punctuation, but then make JAWS dictionary replacements for your None silencing of punctuation  entries you have set, replacing them with SPACE. (You can enter the Customize Punctuation Dialogue per Application Quick Settings or Default Quick Settings, then Search for ‘'Customize in the Edit field. It’ll be one of 5 results.
 
Maybe one could make all entries be treated like the semicolon? I recall reading somewhere that there’s a longer pauase there than at most other punctuation marks?
 
From: Mike B
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question.
Hi Lou,
 
Here are a couple of things you can try to see if they help.  It's the same setting change, but 1 changes the setting per application and the other makes the say all change across all applications.

For an individual application:
1. While in the application / program press, Insert + V, to open quick settings.
2. Navigate to the, Say All options, and right arrow to open if closed.
3. Arrow down to, Say all reads by..., and here you press the spacebar to toggle through your choices.  Below are your choices.
 
Line without pauses
1 of 4
Line with pauses
2 of 4
Sentence
3 of 4
Paragraph
4 of 4
4. After making your selection tab to, Okay, press enter to save and close.
 
For all applications:
1. Open the Settings Center in either of these 2 ways.
A. Press, Insert / Jaws Key + 6, on the number row above the main keyboard.
B. Press, Insert / Jaws Key + F2, to open the, Jaws Manager, arrow down, to Settings Center, & press enter.
With the Settings Center open press, control, shift , + D, to open the Settings Center Default All Applications.
2. Down arrow to, Say All options, and right arrow to open.
3. Down arrow 1 time and you will find the same thing as in step# 3 from above, so use the steps from above to make changes.  If you make any changes tab to, Apply, press the spacebar, tab to, Okay, press enter to save and close.
 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 4:04 AM
Subject: Esoteric punctuation question.
 
Hi, folks.
 
I decided to get serious about learning JFW. Lots of interesting discoveries, and, a few puzzles.
 
Here is one. I noticed that with or without punctuation spoken, JAWS kind of rushes past what I consider to be normal length punctuation pause intervals. With Window-Eyes, I was able to put a period character after char.chr dictionary entries, thereby increasing the pause interval. This does not work with the JAWS Eloquence voice, however. To my question.
 
Is there a setting in JAWS to adjust punctuation pause intervals?
 
Thank you in advance for your help,
Lou N.


moderated Re: Changing Jaws Key

Randy Barnett
 

Hi, press jaws key plus 6 then press ctrl plus shift plus D for the jaws default settings, then in the search field type jaws key Then tab once and down arrow once then press space bar until you get the key you want for the Jaws key.

On 8/22/2019 11:46 AM, Zel Iscel wrote:

Hi all,

 

By default, if you set the keyboard layout to desktop, you should be able to use the insert key. However, in desktop layout my PC still only allows me to use the capslock key as the Jaws key. I know you can manually change the Jaws key but can’t remember how to do it. Can anyone please remind me?

Kind regards

Zel


moderated Re: Language Detection Question

Mike B
 

Hi Robin,
 
I gave various ways of enabling / disabling the language detection only to show that there's more than 1 way.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: Language Detection Question

Mike,

I‘m curious why the instructions in Step 1 aren’t enough in your view.  When Bill White replied, he just had the first steps under Quick Settings.  It seems redundant to have to do change something in Quick Settings and also in Settings Center.  Do you find that doing it in one place doesn’t suffice? 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 3:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Language Detection Question

 

Hi Tom,

 

If you want to turn it off in an individual application:

Steps 1:

 

1. Open the application, invoke the, Insert + V, keystroke to open quick settings.

2. Navigate to, Language detect change, and uncheck this checkbox.

3. Tab to, Okay, and press enter to save and close.


Steps 2:

1. Open the Settings Center while in the application with, Insert + 6, on the number row.

2. Down arrow to, Text processing, right arrow to open, down arrow to, General, and right arrow to open.

3. Down arrow to, Detect languages and uncheck this checkbox.

4. Tab to, Okay, and press enter to save / close.

 

Steps 3 for all applications:

1. Open the Settings Center while in the application with, Insert + 6, on the number row, and press, Control, Shift + D, to open settings center  default all applications.

Now follow steps 2 thru 4 from above.

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

To: jfw list

Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 2:27 PM

Subject: Language Detection Question

 

Hello.

 

Since I did the most recent Jaws 2019 update, language detection has somehow gotten turned back on for me.

 

Now, Jaws reads parts of certain documents in other languages.

 

How can I turn language detection off, so that Jaws reads strictly in English?

 

Thank you!

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 



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moderated Re: Language Detection Question

 

JAWS, much like Windows, often offers multiple ways to accomplish the same end.

It seems to me that Mike's sets of steps in Steps 1 and Steps 2 are to turn off automatic language detection in any single application.  There appear to be at least these two ways to do it, if not more.

The Steps 3 set is to turn it off globally, regardless of application.
--

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         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: Language Detection Question

Van Lant, Robin
 

Mike,

I‘m curious why the instructions in Step 1 aren’t enough in your view.  When Bill White replied, he just had the first steps under Quick Settings.  It seems redundant to have to do change something in Quick Settings and also in Settings Center.  Do you find that doing it in one place doesn’t suffice? 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 3:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Language Detection Question

 

Hi Tom,

 

If you want to turn it off in an individual application:

Steps 1:

 

1. Open the application, invoke the, Insert + V, keystroke to open quick settings.

2. Navigate to, Language detect change, and uncheck this checkbox.

3. Tab to, Okay, and press enter to save and close.


Steps 2:

1. Open the Settings Center while in the application with, Insert + 6, on the number row.

2. Down arrow to, Text processing, right arrow to open, down arrow to, General, and right arrow to open.

3. Down arrow to, Detect languages and uncheck this checkbox.

4. Tab to, Okay, and press enter to save / close.

 

Steps 3 for all applications:

1. Open the Settings Center while in the application with, Insert + 6, on the number row, and press, Control, Shift + D, to open settings center  default all applications.

Now follow steps 2 thru 4 from above.

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

To: jfw list

Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 2:27 PM

Subject: Language Detection Question

 

Hello.

 

Since I did the most recent Jaws 2019 update, language detection has somehow gotten turned back on for me.

 

Now, Jaws reads parts of certain documents in other languages.

 

How can I turn language detection off, so that Jaws reads strictly in English?

 

Thank you!

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 



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moderated Re: The List

Maria Campbell
 

That's a good thing.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

On 8/23/2019 1:26 PM, Pastor Gil Pries wrote:

The list is sure quiet today.

 

Pastor Gil


moderated The List

Pastor Gilbert Pries
 

The list is sure quiet today.

 

Pastor Gil


moderated Making English The Default Language

Pastor Gilbert Pries
 

It’s for Jawsspeec.

 

Pastor Gilh


moderated Making English The Default Language

Pastor Gilbert Pries
 

Go in to jaws menu.

Go to basic and from there go to voice.

From there go to voice Adjustment.

Then tab until you hear set English as primary.

 

Pastor Gil


moderated Test

Pastor Gilbert Pries
 

Test

 


moderated Re: How to use English as the default language with JAWS

Cohn, Jonathan
 

Hello,
Install JAWS with the English option.
You will still be able to red  passages in other languages if:
1. An appropriate synthesizer for that language is installed.
2. The passage is appropriately marked up so that JAWS can recognize the language changes.
3. You have auto-detect languages option enabled in JAWS.
One slight disadvantage would be that JAWS information about Heading levels and lists will still be in the English  language. 


moderated How to use English as the default language with JAWS

khalfan.bindhaher@...
 

Hi there.
I installed the latest offline version of JAWS 2019 on my Surface Pro 6 and added Arabic from the options menu during installation as I wanted to have both Arabic and English multilingual support. After restarting my computer, I found that the JAWS UI language was switched to Arabic. I changed JAWS language back to English and things were ok during that time.
I restarted the computer again and JAWS language was changed to Arabic for an unknown reason. Is there a way to select English as the default and primary language for JAWS?
Regards.
Khalfan.


moderated Re: Jaws and iTunes

Margaret Thomas <iluvtoread@...>
 

Kevin,

You might want to take a look at "Get iTuned Into Audio" from Hartgen Consultancy.

http://www.hartgen.org/itunes

It is not free and costs about $52.00 U. S. I did not see what version of JAWS is used, but you could contact Brian if interested.

I haven't used it and know nothing about iTunes, but remembered seeing it listed when I was looking for a tutorial on something else.

Hope this helps,

Margaret

On 8/22/2019 10:14 PM, Kevin Meyers wrote:
Hello, I’m using windows10, most recent version of Jaws and itunes. I looked on the internet for a tutorial on using Jaws and Itunes. I couldn’t find anything other than using Jaws12. Does anyone know of a tutorial that is more recent? Thanks, Kevin


moderated Jaws and iTunes

Kevin Meyers <kevinmeyers@...>
 

Hello, I’m using windows10, most recent version of Jaws and itunes. I looked on the internet for a tutorial on using Jaws and Itunes. I couldn’t find anything other than using Jaws12. Does anyone know of a tutorial that is more recent? Thanks, Kevin


moderated Re: Esoteric punctuation question.

Don Walls
 

Did you ever read the lower-case peotry/prose of Don (Marquis?) who wrote about Archy and Mehitabel and only used lower case?

-----Original Message-----
From: netbat66
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 9:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question.

this old dog has been useing all lower case for 30 years. ever since i was
ripped up one side and down the other for yelling at everyone. back then the
artic vision scsi synthisizer didnt change pitch so i didn't know i left the
caps lock on when i composed a message.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 8:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question.


Hi Net bat,

Only capitalizing all the letters in a word is considered yelling or strong
emphasis on that particular word. Capitalizing the first letter of a sentence,
names or wherever else capital letters are normally used is just plain correct
punctuation. Now, how's that for improper English?! LOL

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that
somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
From: netbat66
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question.

i stopped useing capital letters years ago because this is considered yelling
at the readers. grin

-----Original Message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 11:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question.

Yes, that's what I just said. If a capital letter is not seen after a period,
it "assumes" that the period is present for some other purpose besides ending a
sentence, and thus does not pause.\
See, it's encouraging us to follow proper grammar/language rules. A good thing,
surely! 8grins*


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: August 19, 2019 1:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question.

i know sighted people would complain about puntuation. But the only way i can
get the vocalizer voices to pause at the end of a sentence is to use a comma
instead of a period.
BTW.
i noticed that this message did pause on sentences.
so i investigated. grin. If you don't capatalize the first letter of the
sentence jaws will not pause with the vocalizer voices.

-----Original Message-----
From: Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: monday, August 19, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question.



I don’t think Vocalizer is any better. Much of the time the pause is an
acceptable level, but there are enough times when it’s almost as if there is no
pause at all. I’ll go back to see if I forgot to type a period and find one
there, but Vocalizer doesn’t pause as I would hope. I’ll play with the
recommended tweaks someone posted.













From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 2:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Esoteric punctuation question.





I think that a pause after a period is largely synthesiser dependent. So some
synths will insert longer ones, others won’t. By default, the 1core voices from
Microsoft have what is, to me, an insanely lengthy pause between both period
and the next sentence and after a comma. You can adjust this in a very well
hidden and protected .ini file. I don’t think Eloquence has anything similar.
Maybe reduce the general speech rate (although I know this isn’t exactly what
you want), or try Vocalizer, or one of the Microsoft voices.







From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
fenderwal@...
Sent: August 17, 2019 7:05 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Esoteric punctuation question.







Hi, folks.







I decided to get serious about learning JFW. Lots of interesting discoveries,
and, a few puzzles.







Here is one. I noticed that with or without punctuation spoken, JAWS kind of
rushes past what I consider to be normal length punctuation pause intervals.
With Window-Eyes, I was able to put a period character after char.chr
dictionary entries, thereby increasing the pause interval. This does not work
with the JAWS Eloquence voice, however. To my question.







Is there a setting in JAWS to adjust punctuation pause intervals?







Thank you in advance for your help,



Lou N.







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moderated Re: JAWS guide for MS Word?

Janet George
 

Thanks David for responding to this question. I want to order your book and had forgotten the name of it.
Thanks for putting together such a comprehensive manual on formatting a word document.



Janet
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John 3: 16

On Aug 22, 2019, at 8:29 AM, David Kingsbury <davidkingsbury77@...> wrote:

Hello,

 

With the risk of sounding self-promoting, you could check out the book I wrote entitled “Format Your Word Documents with JAWS and NVDA: A Guide for Students and Professionals.” Depending on format chosen, you can purchase it for between 18 and 20 dollars at:

http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/WORD-FORMAT.html

 

Regards,

David

 


moderated Re: Language Detection Question

Tom Behler
 

Mike:

 

I just un-checked language detection for all applications.

 

Once again, I’ll save your instructions if needed again.

 

Thanks!

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 5:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Language Detection Question

 

Hi Tom,

 

If you want to turn it off in an individual application:

Steps 1:

 

1. Open the application, invoke the, Insert + V, keystroke to open quick settings.

2. Navigate to, Language detect change, and uncheck this checkbox.

3. Tab to, Okay, and press enter to save and close.


Steps 2:

1. Open the Settings Center while in the application with, Insert + 6, on the number row.

2. Down arrow to, Text processing, right arrow to open, down arrow to, General, and right arrow to open.

3. Down arrow to, Detect languages and uncheck this checkbox.

4. Tab to, Okay, and press enter to save / close.

 

Steps 3 for all applications:

1. Open the Settings Center while in the application with, Insert + 6, on the number row, and press, Control, Shift + D, to open settings center  default all applications.

Now follow steps 2 thru 4 from above.

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
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----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 2:27 PM

Subject: Language Detection Question

 

Hello.

 

Since I did the most recent Jaws 2019 update, language detection has somehow gotten turned back on for me.

 

Now, Jaws reads parts of certain documents in other languages.

 

How can I turn language detection off, so that Jaws reads strictly in English?

 

Thank you!

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 


moderated Re: Language Detection Question

Tom Behler
 

Well, that was simple enough, Bill.

 

I have saved these instructions in case they are needed again.

 

Thanks much!

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 5:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Language Detection Question

 

Hi, Tom.

1. Open the application that is reading your documents (EG) Microsoft Word.

2. Press INSERT plus V for Quick Settings.

3. In the search box, type the word language. You will see three results.

4. Arrow down to the third result, and if it says “language detect, checked, press SPACE to uncheck it.

5. TAB to OK, and press ENTER.

 

Now, when you read a document, it should not read parts in other languages.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 2:27 PM
To: jfw list
Subject: Language Detection Question

 

Hello.

 

Since I did the most recent Jaws 2019 update, language detection has somehow gotten turned back on for me.

 

Now, Jaws reads parts of certain documents in other languages.

 

How can I turn language detection off, so that Jaws reads strictly in English?

 

Thank you!

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan