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moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Jason White
 

When I last tried this, if I remember correctly, the drive needed to have an MBR partition table rather than a GPT partition table. Otherwise, the Media Creation Tool failed with an obscure error message while writing the operating system installer to it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 1:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

There should not be a need to do anything special regarding the USB drive's bootability. The Microsoft Media Creation Tool handles that just fine.


On 9/21/2019 1:36 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Hi Rick,
Probably your USB drive is not set to be a bootable drive.
I would install Universal USB installer on it and install Talking Win
PE and run the launcher that way.
Otherwise you may need to have someone set the flag on the USB drive
to be bootable.


moderated Test message please ignore

Morey Worthington
 

Thanks


moderated accurate item counts in file explorer windows

Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
 

It seems to me there was a solution to this little problem, but I can’t remember it. JAWS 2019 in Windows 10 gives inaccurate counts of files.  It will report that a given file is 1 of 25, when in fact there are many more than 25 files in the folder. I have changed the item type of the folder, to no avail. NVDA does this fine. The file is maximized. Is there a known fix?

 

 


moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

CJ &AA MAY
 

Well said Phil!

Alison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Phil Fitchett via Groups.Io
Sent: 22 September 2019 00:50
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

 

Hi, by and large this list is obviously very good at helping out jaws users with solving problems. But why, oh why on earth do certain list members insist on shoving their own protracted views on other members, as if they don’t know what they are talking about?

I personally use windows 7 to make use of sonar, which has had jaws scripts written for, but unfortunately can’t have scripts written for windows 10.

There are any number of reasons why users might need, or just want, to use windows 7, and quite honestly, it’s none of your business why.

They are asking for help on this list, and its’ not for you to strike up with personal opinions or know-it-all answers to their questions.

In future, trust what the original poster is asking, and answer in the best way you can. Please let’s end with this know-it-all snooty crap that certain posters insist on using. We are all jaws users and our choices are our own. Leave it alone.

Just my tuppence worth, and if it gets me banned, oh well

Phil

 


moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Marty Hutchings
 

Well said.
from a JAWS 18 and Windows 7 user
 
Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
 

Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install
 

Hi, by and large this list is obviously very good at helping out jaws users with solving problems. But why, oh why on earth do certain list members insist on shoving their own protracted views on other members, as if they don’t know what they are talking about?

I personally use windows 7 to make use of sonar, which has had jaws scripts written for, but unfortunately can’t have scripts written for windows 10.

There are any number of reasons why users might need, or just want, to use windows 7, and quite honestly, it’s none of your business why.

They are asking for help on this list, and its’ not for you to strike up with personal opinions or know-it-all answers to their questions.

In future, trust what the original poster is asking, and answer in the best way you can. Please let’s end with this know-it-all snooty crap that certain posters insist on using. We are all jaws users and our choices are our own. Leave it alone.

Just my tuppence worth, and if it gets me banned, oh well

Phil

 


moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Phil Fitchett <philipfitchett@...>
 

Hi, by and large this list is obviously very good at helping out jaws users with solving problems. But why, oh why on earth do certain list members insist on shoving their own protracted views on other members, as if they don’t know what they are talking about?

I personally use windows 7 to make use of sonar, which has had jaws scripts written for, but unfortunately can’t have scripts written for windows 10.

There are any number of reasons why users might need, or just want, to use windows 7, and quite honestly, it’s none of your business why.

They are asking for help on this list, and its’ not for you to strike up with personal opinions or know-it-all answers to their questions.

In future, trust what the original poster is asking, and answer in the best way you can. Please let’s end with this know-it-all snooty crap that certain posters insist on using. We are all jaws users and our choices are our own. Leave it alone.

Just my tuppence worth, and if it gets me banned, oh well

Phil

 


moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Glenn / Lenny
 

I had a laptop with Windows 7 on it, and I had 4GB of Ram in it, and Windows would only see two GB, but when I booted to Ubuntu (Linux) on the same computer, it saw all 4GB.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Mladek" <hmladek@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install


Learned something new regarding usb drives...

I purchased a usb flash drive and my computer, the one I am now using, could see the drive without a problem. The computer attempting to install the operating system could not. A neighbor that heads the computer department for a large local school district stopped by and let me borrow his "bootable usb drive". I had no idea there was such but the computer recognized this drive, the install went well and all in all, everything ended successfully.

Another thing regarding Dell laptops/computers. Talking to Dell, I told them I wanted to upgrade my ram/memory from 8 to 16 Gb. They told me my XPS 15Z laptop only could accept the 8 Gb as maximum. I read others being able to up their ram and I purchased the 16gb memory, 2x8Gb, and it recognized the memory and is working without a problem.

Thanks for all your comments/assistance...

Rick


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 1:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

There should not be a need to do anything special regarding the USB drive's bootability. The Microsoft Media Creation Tool handles that just fine.


On 9/21/2019 1:36 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Hi Rick,
Probably your USB drive is not set to be a bootable drive.
I would install Universal USB installer on it and install Talking Win
PE and run the launcher that way.
Otherwise you may need to have someone set the flag on the USB drive
to be bootable.


moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Rick Mladek
 

Some use what they can afford, don't forget this major point...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 1:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Don't let some on this list bully you into being afraid of using an older
system.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Annabelle Susan Morison" <foristnights@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install


1. It's the one that I'm used to after migrating from Windows XP which
had a bunch of blue screen errors.
2. I have JAWS 15 which is the latest one my Software Maintenance
Agreement supports.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan
Longmore
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Hi,
Narrator is not nearly as reliable with Windows 7. Is there a
particular reason you need 7?
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle
Susan Morison
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Out of curiosity, would this work to install Windows 7? If I was to
custom build a machine with 64-bit capability, I want to put Windows 7
on this new machine.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Yes, after the cd gbgoots up, you should be able to invoke narrator by
hitting control-windows-enter on most sound cards.

On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 10:23:18 -0400,
Rick Mladek wrote:

Hi all,

Is it possible to install Windows 10 into/onto a new not previously
used
hard drive, without sighted assistance?

Thank you,

Rick





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How do
you spend it?

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moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Rick Mladek
 

Hi,

Yes, that was exactly the problem... Thank you...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 1:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Hi Rick,
Probably your USB drive is not set to be a bootable drive.
I would install Universal USB installer on it and install Talking Win PE and
run the launcher that way.
Otherwise you may need to have someone set the flag on the USB drive to be
bootable.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Mladek" <hmladek@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install


Hey all,

I've gone and set up the install with the USB disk. I do not have a
large enough DVD to put Windows 10 on so to be able to boot from the dvd
drive.
When the boot begins, I go into the system with F12 and I go down to
the USB drive to boot from and I continuously am told no drive found.
Any/All ideas appreciated.

Rick


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan
Longmore
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Ok, as long as it works for you, good. Just know there are lots of
potential problems waiting in the wings as both JAWS and the OS's move
forward.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle
Susan Morison
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

1. It's the one that I'm used to after migrating from Windows XP which
had a bunch of blue screen errors.
2. I have JAWS 15 which is the latest one my Software Maintenance
Agreement supports.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan
Longmore
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Hi,
Narrator is not nearly as reliable with Windows 7. Is there a
particular reason you need 7?
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle
Susan Morison
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Out of curiosity, would this work to install Windows 7? If I was to
custom build a machine with 64-bit capability, I want to put Windows 7
on this new machine.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Yes, after the cd gbgoots up, you should be able to invoke narrator by
hitting control-windows-enter on most sound cards.

On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 10:23:18 -0400,
Rick Mladek wrote:

Hi all,

Is it possible to install Windows 10 into/onto a new not previously
used
hard drive, without sighted assistance?

Thank you,

Rick





--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

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covici@...























moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Rick Mladek
 

Learned something new regarding usb drives...

I purchased a usb flash drive and my computer, the one I am now using, could see the drive without a problem. The computer attempting to install the operating system could not. A neighbor that heads the computer department for a large local school district stopped by and let me borrow his "bootable usb drive". I had no idea there was such but the computer recognized this drive, the install went well and all in all, everything ended successfully.

Another thing regarding Dell laptops/computers. Talking to Dell, I told them I wanted to upgrade my ram/memory from 8 to 16 Gb. They told me my XPS 15Z laptop only could accept the 8 Gb as maximum. I read others being able to up their ram and I purchased the 16gb memory, 2x8Gb, and it recognized the memory and is working without a problem.

Thanks for all your comments/assistance...

Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 1:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

There should not be a need to do anything special regarding the USB drive's bootability. The Microsoft Media Creation Tool handles that just fine.


On 9/21/2019 1:36 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Hi Rick,
Probably your USB drive is not set to be a bootable drive.
I would install Universal USB installer on it and install Talking Win
PE and run the launcher that way.
Otherwise you may need to have someone set the flag on the USB drive
to be bootable.


moderated Re: unloading Chromevox

David Griffith
 

I  hit the same log jam  and simply turned it off. None of the keyboard shortcuts people said like control alt Z  etc. Worked for me.

In any case I am sure that I read  somewhere that Google are no longer developing Chrome Vox  apart from on their Chrome Book  models, advising people instead to use main stream screenreaders with Chrome.

 

I am no Chrome vox expert so someone else may correct me.

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Orlando Enrique Fiol via Groups.Io
Sent: 21 September 2019 17:39
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: unloading Chromevox

 

Hi all. Last night, I decided to play around with Chromevox. although

I got it going and was able to configure options, no hotkey actually

unloads it from running all the time with Chrome. For now, I've

disabled the extension, but that seems self-defeating, since I was

hoping to be able to unload whichever screen reader I was using and

use Chromevox on the fly. Is this possible?

 

 

Orlando Enrique Fiol

 

 

 

 


moderated Support for Windows 7 May ContinueBeyond January, After All

Gerald Levy
 

Well, for those of you who do not want to upgrade to Windows 10 just yet, there may be some good news.  A third-party company named 0 Patch plans to continue security updates for Windows 7 for home and business users after official MS support ends in January 2020:


https://www.ghacks.net/2019/09/21/0patch-to-support-windows-7-and-server-2008-r2-with-security-patches-after-official-support-end/


Gerald


moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Glenn / Lenny
 

Yeah, good example, and even XP is safe on-line if you go to sites you know are safe, like BARD for example, or a facebook page.
But unknown sites can run bad scripts that XP is not prepared to repel.
Also, some sites may not like the XP browsers.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon" <mt281820@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install


I guess it depends on what you want to do.
I have a machine using an old version of windows ten that Microsoft Disability screwed up, and can no longer be used online, but I do many things offline and so it works for all those things.
I also have a windows XP netbook which I still use when I travel to do simple documents but never goes online.
Again, I guess it just depends on what you are using it for.
Sharon


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 1:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Why would anyone want to deal with the crap of 10?
I've had it installed and I've used it, so I know about it.
If people don't do a lot of unknown sites, and just do eMail with caution, and just do things like BARD and DropBox for example, then why go through the pain of Microsoft's latest crap?
Some people still use XP carefully.
I'd say reckless mouse users are the most in danger with using an unsupported computer system.
click click click.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install


You don't want to do that. The short answer is no. Why would anyone want
to install an operating system that was released nearly ten years ago for
which it is next to impossible to get updates after the initial install?


On 9/21/2019 12:12 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
Out of curiosity, would this work to install Windows 7? If I was to
custom
build a machine with 64-bit capability, I want to put Windows 7 on this
new
machine.


moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Sharon
 

I guess it depends on what you want to do.
I have a machine using an old version of windows ten that Microsoft Disability screwed up, and can no longer be used online, but I do many things offline and so it works for all those things.
I also have a windows XP netbook which I still use when I travel to do simple documents but never goes online.
Again, I guess it just depends on what you are using it for.
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 1:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Why would anyone want to deal with the crap of 10?
I've had it installed and I've used it, so I know about it.
If people don't do a lot of unknown sites, and just do eMail with caution, and just do things like BARD and DropBox for example, then why go through the pain of Microsoft's latest crap?
Some people still use XP carefully.
I'd say reckless mouse users are the most in danger with using an unsupported computer system.
click click click.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install


You don't want to do that. The short answer is no. Why would anyone want
to install an operating system that was released nearly ten years ago for
which it is next to impossible to get updates after the initial install?


On 9/21/2019 12:12 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
Out of curiosity, would this work to install Windows 7? If I was to
custom
build a machine with 64-bit capability, I want to put Windows 7 on this
new
machine.


moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Steve Matzura
 

Ah, understood.

On 9/21/2019 1:44 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
One can't, that is at a BIOS-like level, it is by guess and by golly.
I have used it successfully, but you need to make educated guesses on the number of arrows to make before entering on the choice.
Glenn


moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Glenn / Lenny
 

One can't, that is at a BIOS-like level, it is by guess and by golly.
I have used it successfully, but you need to make educated guesses on the number of arrows to make before entering on the choice.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install


But how do you use it accessibly?


On 9/21/2019 1:38 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
That is the drive selection for boot options on most computers.


moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Steve Matzura
 

But how do you use it accessibly?

On 9/21/2019 1:38 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
That is the drive selection for boot options on most computers.


moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Steve Matzura
 

There should not be a need to do anything special regarding the USB drive's bootability. The Microsoft Media Creation Tool handles that just fine.

On 9/21/2019 1:36 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Hi Rick,
Probably your USB drive is not set to be a bootable drive.
I would install Universal USB installer on it and install Talking Win PE and run the launcher that way.
Otherwise you may need to have someone set the flag on the USB drive to be bootable.


moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Glenn / Lenny
 

That is the drive selection for boot options on most computers.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install


Go into the system with F12? What is *that*?


No drive found? Maybe try a different USB port.


On 9/21/2019 1:06 PM, Rick Mladek wrote:
Hey all,

I've gone and set up the install with the USB disk. I do not have a large
enough DVD to put Windows 10 on so to be able to boot from the dvd drive.
When the boot begins, I go into the system with F12 and I go down to the USB
drive to boot from and I continuously am told no drive found. Any/All ideas
appreciated.

Rick


moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Glenn / Lenny
 

Hi Rick,
Probably your USB drive is not set to be a bootable drive.
I would install Universal USB installer on it and install Talking Win PE and run the launcher that way.
Otherwise you may need to have someone set the flag on the USB drive to be bootable.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Mladek" <hmladek@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install


Hey all,

I've gone and set up the install with the USB disk. I do not have a large
enough DVD to put Windows 10 on so to be able to boot from the dvd drive.
When the boot begins, I go into the system with F12 and I go down to the USB
drive to boot from and I continuously am told no drive found. Any/All ideas
appreciated.

Rick


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Ok, as long as it works for you, good. Just know there are lots of
potential problems waiting in the wings as both JAWS and the OS's move
forward.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan
Morison
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

1. It's the one that I'm used to after migrating from Windows XP which had a
bunch of blue screen errors.
2. I have JAWS 15 which is the latest one my Software Maintenance Agreement
supports.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan
Longmore
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Hi,
Narrator is not nearly as reliable with Windows 7. Is there a particular
reason you need 7?
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan
Morison
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Out of curiosity, would this work to install Windows 7? If I was to custom
build a machine with 64-bit capability, I want to put Windows 7 on this new
machine.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

Yes, after the cd gbgoots up, you should be able to invoke narrator by
hitting control-windows-enter on most sound cards.

On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 10:23:18 -0400,
Rick Mladek wrote:

Hi all,

Is it possible to install Windows 10 into/onto a new not previously
used
hard drive, without sighted assistance?

Thank you,

Rick





--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...