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moderated Re: Issues with google chrome

Cristóbal
 

Having multiple windows open for every page can soon lead to alt+tab hell.
Probably more a tomato/tomotto thing at the end of the day though.
Depending on what I’m doing, I may have a cluster of tabs open in one window and if I'm researching a totally separate subject, I may have those tabs open in a different window entirely. I also take advantage of the virtual desktop feature and there's always the ability to have difference instances of Chrome with different accounts open as well.
Ultimately that sort of thing will depend on how best it fits into your workflow.
As far as the tabs thing, I also take advantage of the control+page down/page up commands to cycle through my various open tabs.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 11:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Issues with google chrome


What is the advantage of opening web pages in separate tabs vs. opening them in separate windows? I don't see any, especially for blind users who can't see the whole screen, anyway.


Gerald



On 9/24/2019 12:59 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
And there are also extensions which when installed won't allow for Chrome to be closed without a warning, but I tried one of them and didn't like it.
The Control + W method for closing individual tabs is best, may need a bit of getting used to until it's part of your muscle memory.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Orlando
Enrique Fiol via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 8:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Issues with google chrome

At 04:18 AM 9/24/2019, David Griffith wrote:
>I don't know why left alt is not working for you but you could try >using backspace.

Backspace does nothing in Chrome. When alt+left or right arrows aren't working, the best solution is to press F6 before trying to go back or forward a page. Once on the previous or next page, press tab, then escape. These commands all have to do with Chrome's focus.

>In relation to closing individual tabs the command for this is >control F4 rather than alt F4 which closes the entire program.

Control+W does the same thing.



Orlando Enrique Fiol








moderated Re: Issues with google chrome

Gerald Levy
 

What is the advantage of opening web pages in separate tabs vs. opening them in separate windows?  I don't see any, especially for blind users who can't see the whole screen, anyway.


Gerald

On 9/24/2019 12:59 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
And there are also extensions which when installed won't allow for Chrome to be closed without a warning, but I tried one of them and didn't like it.
The Control + W method for closing individual tabs is best, may need a bit of getting used to until it's part of your muscle memory.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Orlando Enrique Fiol via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 8:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Issues with google chrome

At 04:18 AM 9/24/2019, David Griffith wrote:
>I don't know why left alt is not working for you but you could try >using backspace.

Backspace does nothing in Chrome. When alt+left or right arrows aren't working, the best solution is to press F6 before trying to go back or forward a page. Once on the previous or next page, press tab, then escape. These commands all have to do with Chrome's focus.

>In relation to closing individual tabs the command for this is >control F4 rather than alt F4 which closes the entire program.

Control+W does the same thing.



Orlando Enrique Fiol







moderated Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

JM Casey
 

Huh.

Well, I’m using JAWS 2018 still (haven’t been able to justify paying for an upgrade, yet), and have never had any problems with the status line not being read when the appropriate command is issued. That definitely would be something to speak to FS about, because it really shouldn’t be happening – that command has been around forever and if it’s broken on some systems, something fundamental must have been screwed up somewhere.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: September 23, 2019 11:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

I made sure the status bar was enabled but Jaws wont read it with insert plus pgdn. I can see it with the Jaws cursor so it is there. and the count matches what Jaws and NVDA were telling me.

We all need to report this to FS if it is happening to you.

On 9/23/2019 8:03 PM, Randy Barnett via Groups.Io wrote:

I just went to my music folder and the count of 241 folders is correct and then I went to windows/system32 and the count of 4662 was correct also. I use the read line command and wait for the folder/file count which is the last thing to be read.

Win 10 v1903, Jaws 2019 and Jaws 2020 beta. Checked against NVDA 2019.2.

 

I came in late so did I miss something important?

On 9/23/2019 4:39 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Adrian…

Are you saying that the status line can either show the count of items on the screen or the count of items in a folder, depending on certain circumstances?

If so, what are those circumstances?

It very 8definitely* shows the complete count of items in the folder for me. I just verified again by opening a folder with over 4000 items. They are counted correctly. And, I’m a little skeptical because I honestly can’t really see the point in having a line that only shows the number of items displayed on the screen rather than the total count.

Maybe it depends on the view of the folder that’s set?

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: September 23, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

Tom,

 

If insert-pagedown is working for you, that’s what’s supposed to happen. However, for a lot of folders, that count measures only the number of files shown in a screen. It doesn’t show the number of files in the folder, which is often much larger. The method I described, which I learned from Rebecca on the closed JAWS list, enables JAWS users to get both the screen and the folder count.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 10:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

Adrian:

 

Unfortunately, I was unable to get an accurate file count by switching to Narrator, and then back to Jaws as you suggest.

 

For me, insert page down seems to be the best way to get an accurate file count, until this bug is fixed.

 

Of course, I’m always open to other suggestions.

 

By the way, I always check to be sure my screen is maximized.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 5:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

Dean,

 

Switch to Narrator, which gives counts for both the current screen and the entire file list in a folder. Switch back to JAWS, and JAWS is now likely to report the desired information.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 7:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

It seems to me there was a solution to this little problem, but I can’t remember it. JAWS 2019 in Windows 10 gives inaccurate counts of files.  It will report that a given file is 1 of 25, when in fact there are many more than 25 files in the folder. I have changed the item type of the folder, to no avail. NVDA does this fine. The file is maximized. Is there a known fix?

 

 


moderated Re: Issues with google chrome

 

And there are also extensions which when installed won't allow for Chrome to be closed without a warning, but I tried one of them and didn't like it.
The Control + W method for closing individual tabs is best, may need a bit of getting used to until it's part of your muscle memory.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Orlando Enrique Fiol via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 8:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Issues with google chrome

At 04:18 AM 9/24/2019, David Griffith wrote:
>I don't know why left alt is not working for you but you could try >using backspace.

Backspace does nothing in Chrome. When alt+left or right arrows aren't working, the best solution is to press F6 before trying to go back or forward a page. Once on the previous or next page, press tab, then escape. These commands all have to do with Chrome's focus.

>In relation to closing individual tabs the command for this is >control F4 rather than alt F4 which closes the entire program.

Control+W does the same thing.



Orlando Enrique Fiol


moderated OT - Setting Up the "Guest" Account in Windows 10

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi!

 

I am using JAWS 2019 on a Windows 10 PC.  I have read about four alternative ways to setup the “Guest” account in Windows 10.  Two of them involve doing it through the command prompt, one involves doing it through setting up “group policies” and the fourth one involves doing it through “computer management.”  From what I have read, all of the first three methods do not really work correctly and are problematic.  So, about the fourth method, does anyone have experience with it?  Is it the right way to do it?  Basically, I want a *real* “Guest” account that 1) appears on the sign-in screen, 2) requires no sign-in password, 3) and has more restrictions than does a traditional  “restricted” account among other of the “Guest” account’s limitations.  Note, from what I have read, those first three methods do not have the same level of limitations as does a real “Guest” account, among other problems with those methods.

 

Thanks,

Richard


moderated Re: Issues with google chrome

Orlando Enrique Fiol
 

At 04:18 AM 9/24/2019, David Griffith wrote:
I don't know why left alt is not working for you but you could try
using backspace.
Backspace does nothing in Chrome. When alt+left or right arrows aren't working, the best solution is to press F6 before trying to go back or forward a page. Once on the previous or next page, press tab, then escape. These commands all have to do with Chrome's focus.

In relation to closing individual tabs the command for this is
control F4 rather than alt F4 which closes the entire program.
Control+W does the same thing.



Orlando Enrique Fiol


moderated Re: help with narrator and Jaws

Ann Byrne
 

Capslock + escape??

At 04:15 AM 9/24/2019, you wrote:
Just for your info

left shift and escape did not close narrator for me

control insert and x did

I use Windows 7 home + jaws 2019 latest version

narrator gives me fits...I took it off my desktop, but wrote down the command to dismiss it.

Thanks,

George

From: <mailto:blindmansbluff09@...>Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 7:51 PM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: help with narrator and Jaws

Left Shift plus esc will also close Narrator.
On 9/23/2019 4:14 AM, G. Gray wrote:
Hello-

Thanks for the help! I finally got it shut off, but control windows key and enter did not work. I use Windows 7 home and JFW 2019 latest version, so maybe that command is different. for Windows 7 users It was really a frustrating situation!!!


George

From: <mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io>Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 5:32 AM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: help with narrator and Jaws




Press Control-Windows key-Enter to toggle off Narrator.



Gerald




On 9/23/2019 6:24 AM, G. Gray wrote:
I thought I’d try narrator to see if I could get Jaws to tell the number of files in a folder. Worked ok, but now I have Jaws + narrator. What is the key combo to shut off narrator??? Thanks

Regards,

George

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Today, they are 179th and their citizens are dying of starvation.
In just the last 10 years, Venezuela was destroyed by democratic socialism, and
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But President Trump was the onee investigated! (Proverbs 29:2)

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moderated Re: Issues with google chrome

Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
 

No, indeed, Chrome doesn't give any warning when you press alt+F4. So if you want to close one tab, press ctrl+W, and when you want to close the browser, press alt+F4. Keep in mind also that shift+ctrl+t reopens tabs you may have closed but now want open. It works like Ctrl+z, you can just keep pressing it to restore closed tabs.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of turab chimthanawala
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 2:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Issues with google chrome

Hi guys,
Thanks for your revert.
Sieghard that gesture worked.
Now, could someone pls help me withthe following two additional issues.
1. Getting rid of the requirement to select Basic HTMl view each time
I login to Gmail via chrome.
2. going back in web pages. The Alt + left arrow doesn't work. Also,
unlike IE where on pressing Alt + F4, one is given an option whether
to only close one tab or all tabs, chrome just shuts down everything.
Thanks
Best
Turab

On 9/23/19, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:
With Jaws and with Chrome open, bring up quick settings with Jaws Key + V,
type "copy" in the search box and tab once, you should hear this:

Select and Copy Full content using onscreen highlight

Press the spacebar and it should change to read like this:

Select and Copy from Virtual Cursor

Try this and see if it helps with copying from websites.

Regards,
Sieghard

Virtual Cursor Options
From Virtual Cursor

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of turab
chimthanawala
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 5:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Issues with google chrome

Hi Dean,
Thanks
Well yes I face the same trouble while copying in chrome while using NVDA.


On 9/23/19, Dean Martineau <topdot@...> wrote:
It would be enlightening to know if you have the same problems copying
from web pages if you tried it with NVDA or with a demo copy of JAWS
2019.

With Chrome open, you can hold down Insert and press F1 quickly to get
all that JAWS help has to offer about using Chrome, including lots of
keystrokes.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of turab
chimthanawala
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 7:01 AM
To: jfw <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Issues with google chrome

Hi all,
I use JAWS 2018, the latest google chrome and Win 10.
I face challenges:
1. Each time I login to Gmail, I am required to select "Basic HTML
view": In IE, once chosen, this doesn't have to be done everytime.
2. I can't seem to copy stuff from certain web pages: The same happens
in IE.
3. Any list of key commands to ensure better use of JAWS and Google
chrome.
Thanks
Best
Turab












moderated Re: help with narrator and Jaws

G. Gray
 

Just for your info 
 
left shift and escape did not close narrator for me
 
control insert and x did
 
I use Windows 7 home + jaws 2019 latest version
 
narrator gives me fits...I took it off my desktop, but wrote down the command to dismiss it. 
 
Thanks,
 
George
 

Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: help with narrator and Jaws
 
Left Shift plus esc will also close Narrator.
On 9/23/2019 4:14 AM, G. Gray wrote:
Hello-
 
Thanks for the help!  I finally got it shut off, but control windows key and enter did not work.  I use Windows 7 home and JFW 2019 latest version, so maybe that command is different. for Windows 7 users  It was really a frustrating situation!!!
 
 
George
 
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 5:32 AM
Subject: Re: help with narrator and Jaws
 

 

Press Control-Windows key-Enter to toggle off Narrator.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 9/23/2019 6:24 AM, G. Gray wrote:
I thought I’d try narrator to see if I could get Jaws to tell the number of files in a folder.  Worked ok, but now I have Jaws + narrator.  What is the key combo to shut off narrator???  Thanks
 
Regards,

George

Think about:
60 years ago, Venezuela was 4th on the world economic freedom index.
Today, they are 179th and their citizens are dying of starvation.
In just the last 10 years, Venezuela was destroyed by democratic socialism, and
Russia donated $0.00 to the Trump campaign; But Russia donated $145,600,000 to the Clinton Foundation (after Hillary sold them 20% of our uranium…illegally).
But President Trump was the one investigated! (Proverbs 29:2)

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moderated Re: Issues with google chrome

David Griffith
 

I don’t know why left alt is not working for you but you could try using backspace.

In relation to closing individual tabs the command for  this is control F4 rather than alt F4 which closes the entire program.

I don’t use webmail so cannot help with your Gmail issue.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: turab chimthanawala
Sent: 24 September 2019 07:05
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Issues with google chrome

 

Hi guys,

Thanks for your revert.

Sieghard that gesture worked.

Now, could someone pls help me  withthe following two additional issues.

1. Getting rid of the requirement to select Basic HTMl view each time

I login to Gmail via chrome.

2. going back in web pages. The Alt + left arrow doesn't work. Also,

unlike IE where on pressing Alt + F4, one is given an option whether

to only close one tab or all tabs, chrome just shuts down everything.

Thanks

Best

Turab

 

On 9/23/19, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

> With Jaws and with Chrome open, bring up quick settings with Jaws Key + V,

> type "copy" in the search box and tab once, you should hear this:

> Select and Copy Full content using onscreen highlight

> Press the spacebar and it should change to read like this:

> Select and Copy from Virtual Cursor

> Try this and see if it helps with copying from websites.

> Regards,

> Sieghard

> Virtual Cursor Options

 

> From Virtual Cursor

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of turab

> chimthanawala

> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 5:11 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: Issues with google chrome

> Hi Dean,

> Thanks

> Well yes I face the same trouble while copying in chrome while using NVDA.

> On 9/23/19, Dean Martineau <topdot@...> wrote:

>> It would be enlightening to know if you have the same problems copying

>> from web pages if you tried it with NVDA or with a demo copy of JAWS

>> 2019.

>> 

>> With Chrome open, you can hold down Insert and press F1 quickly to get

>> all that JAWS help has to offer about using Chrome, including lots of

>> keystrokes.

>> 

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of turab

>> chimthanawala

>> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 7:01 AM

>> To: jfw <jfw@groups.io>

>> Subject: Issues with google chrome

>> 

>> Hi all,

>> I use JAWS 2018, the latest google chrome and Win 10.

>> I face challenges:

>> 1. Each time I login to Gmail, I am required to select "Basic HTML

>> view": In IE, once chosen, this doesn't have to be done everytime.

>> 2. I can't seem to copy stuff from certain web pages: The same happens

>> in IE.

>> 3. Any list of key commands to ensure better use of JAWS and Google

>> chrome.

>> Thanks

>> Best

>> Turab

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 


moderated Re: Issues with google chrome

turab chimthanawala
 

Hi guys,
Thanks for your revert.
Sieghard that gesture worked.
Now, could someone pls help me withthe following two additional issues.
1. Getting rid of the requirement to select Basic HTMl view each time
I login to Gmail via chrome.
2. going back in web pages. The Alt + left arrow doesn't work. Also,
unlike IE where on pressing Alt + F4, one is given an option whether
to only close one tab or all tabs, chrome just shuts down everything.
Thanks
Best
Turab

On 9/23/19, Sieghard Weitzel <@Sieghard> wrote:
With Jaws and with Chrome open, bring up quick settings with Jaws Key + V,
type "copy" in the search box and tab once, you should hear this:

Select and Copy Full content using onscreen highlight

Press the spacebar and it should change to read like this:

Select and Copy from Virtual Cursor

Try this and see if it helps with copying from websites.

Regards,
Sieghard

Virtual Cursor Options
From Virtual Cursor

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of turab
chimthanawala
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 5:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Issues with google chrome

Hi Dean,
Thanks
Well yes I face the same trouble while copying in chrome while using NVDA.


On 9/23/19, Dean Martineau <topdot@...> wrote:
It would be enlightening to know if you have the same problems copying
from web pages if you tried it with NVDA or with a demo copy of JAWS
2019.

With Chrome open, you can hold down Insert and press F1 quickly to get
all that JAWS help has to offer about using Chrome, including lots of
keystrokes.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of turab
chimthanawala
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 7:01 AM
To: jfw <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Issues with google chrome

Hi all,
I use JAWS 2018, the latest google chrome and Win 10.
I face challenges:
1. Each time I login to Gmail, I am required to select "Basic HTML
view": In IE, once chosen, this doesn't have to be done everytime.
2. I can't seem to copy stuff from certain web pages: The same happens
in IE.
3. Any list of key commands to ensure better use of JAWS and Google
chrome.
Thanks
Best
Turab












moderated Re: laptop and jaws in windows10 settings screen

 

This won’t work in his case, you can look for my other reply, but I have one computer where this is also an issue. Arrowing through Settings visually moves from category to category, but Jaws reads nothing, I mean absolutely nothing in PC cursor mode. You can use the touch cursor and that works and I assume for Nino as well it would work fine if he turned Jaws off and used Narrator.

Again, you can all read my other message since I don’t want to repeat everything.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 2:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: laptop and jaws in windows10 settings screen

 

Hi Nino,

 

After pressing, Windows key + I, tab 1 time to, System, now try using the right arrow key or the touch cursor.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 1:48 PM

Subject: Re: laptop and jaws in windows10 settings screen

 

When you do a windows key i.

None of those settings will speek.

Thanks.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 4:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: laptop and jaws in windows10 settings screen

 

Which settings app are you referring to?

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 3:09 PM

Subject: laptop and jaws in windows10 settings screen

 

Jaws will not read the screens in the settings app on my laptop computer.

Any help would be appreciated.

 

 


moderated Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

Adrian Spratt
 

Dean,

 

It used to work, but now I see it doesn’t. Unfortunately, I made the assumption that it still did instead of my usual practice of testing before posting.

 

One thing I observed just now as I belatedly did the test: Before, JAWS was counting only the files in a screen. After I opened Narrator on the files list and then closed it, even though Narrator gave me no numbers report, JAWS started doing so. With insert-pagedown, I now get the files list total. With insert-tab, I get both the total number list and the position of the file in focus.

 

Perhaps it’s coincidental, but there may still be some kind of relationship between the two programs.

 

In any event, sorry for a distracting post.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 6:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

Unfortunately, that technique didn’t work for me either. I was sort of looking forward to it. I’m not sure why it should have worked, and it didn’t.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

Tom,

 

If insert-pagedown is working for you, that’s what’s supposed to happen. However, for a lot of folders, that count measures only the number of files shown in a screen. It doesn’t show the number of files in the folder, which is often much larger. The method I described, which I learned from Rebecca on the closed JAWS list, enables JAWS users to get both the screen and the folder count.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 10:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

Adrian:

 

Unfortunately, I was unable to get an accurate file count by switching to Narrator, and then back to Jaws as you suggest.

 

For me, insert page down seems to be the best way to get an accurate file count, until this bug is fixed.

 

Of course, I’m always open to other suggestions.

 

By the way, I always check to be sure my screen is maximized.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 5:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

Dean,

 

Switch to Narrator, which gives counts for both the current screen and the entire file list in a folder. Switch back to JAWS, and JAWS is now likely to report the desired information.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 7:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

It seems to me there was a solution to this little problem, but I can’t remember it. JAWS 2019 in Windows 10 gives inaccurate counts of files.  It will report that a given file is 1 of 25, when in fact there are many more than 25 files in the folder. I have changed the item type of the folder, to no avail. NVDA does this fine. The file is maximized. Is there a known fix?

 

 


moderated Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

Randy Barnett
 

I made sure the status bar was enabled but Jaws wont read it with insert plus pgdn. I can see it with the Jaws cursor so it is there. and the count matches what Jaws and NVDA were telling me.

We all need to report this to FS if it is happening to you.

On 9/23/2019 8:03 PM, Randy Barnett via Groups.Io wrote:

I just went to my music folder and the count of 241 folders is correct and then I went to windows/system32 and the count of 4662 was correct also. I use the read line command and wait for the folder/file count which is the last thing to be read.

Win 10 v1903, Jaws 2019 and Jaws 2020 beta. Checked against NVDA 2019.2.


I came in late so did I miss something important?

On 9/23/2019 4:39 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Adrian…

Are you saying that the status line can either show the count of items on the screen or the count of items in a folder, depending on certain circumstances?

If so, what are those circumstances?

It very 8definitely* shows the complete count of items in the folder for me. I just verified again by opening a folder with over 4000 items. They are counted correctly. And, I’m a little skeptical because I honestly can’t really see the point in having a line that only shows the number of items displayed on the screen rather than the total count.

Maybe it depends on the view of the folder that’s set?

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: September 23, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

Tom,

 

If insert-pagedown is working for you, that’s what’s supposed to happen. However, for a lot of folders, that count measures only the number of files shown in a screen. It doesn’t show the number of files in the folder, which is often much larger. The method I described, which I learned from Rebecca on the closed JAWS list, enables JAWS users to get both the screen and the folder count.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 10:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

Adrian:

 

Unfortunately, I was unable to get an accurate file count by switching to Narrator, and then back to Jaws as you suggest.

 

For me, insert page down seems to be the best way to get an accurate file count, until this bug is fixed.

 

Of course, I’m always open to other suggestions.

 

By the way, I always check to be sure my screen is maximized.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 5:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

Dean,

 

Switch to Narrator, which gives counts for both the current screen and the entire file list in a folder. Switch back to JAWS, and JAWS is now likely to report the desired information.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 7:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

It seems to me there was a solution to this little problem, but I can’t remember it. JAWS 2019 in Windows 10 gives inaccurate counts of files.  It will report that a given file is 1 of 25, when in fact there are many more than 25 files in the folder. I have changed the item type of the folder, to no avail. NVDA does this fine. The file is maximized. Is there a known fix?

 

 


moderated Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

Randy Barnett
 

I just went to my music folder and the count of 241 folders is correct and then I went to windows/system32 and the count of 4662 was correct also. I use the read line command and wait for the folder/file count which is the last thing to be read.

Win 10 v1903, Jaws 2019 and Jaws 2020 beta. Checked against NVDA 2019.2.


I came in late so did I miss something important?

On 9/23/2019 4:39 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Adrian…

Are you saying that the status line can either show the count of items on the screen or the count of items in a folder, depending on certain circumstances?

If so, what are those circumstances?

It very 8definitely* shows the complete count of items in the folder for me. I just verified again by opening a folder with over 4000 items. They are counted correctly. And, I’m a little skeptical because I honestly can’t really see the point in having a line that only shows the number of items displayed on the screen rather than the total count.

Maybe it depends on the view of the folder that’s set?

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: September 23, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

Tom,

 

If insert-pagedown is working for you, that’s what’s supposed to happen. However, for a lot of folders, that count measures only the number of files shown in a screen. It doesn’t show the number of files in the folder, which is often much larger. The method I described, which I learned from Rebecca on the closed JAWS list, enables JAWS users to get both the screen and the folder count.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 10:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

Adrian:

 

Unfortunately, I was unable to get an accurate file count by switching to Narrator, and then back to Jaws as you suggest.

 

For me, insert page down seems to be the best way to get an accurate file count, until this bug is fixed.

 

Of course, I’m always open to other suggestions.

 

By the way, I always check to be sure my screen is maximized.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 5:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

Dean,

 

Switch to Narrator, which gives counts for both the current screen and the entire file list in a folder. Switch back to JAWS, and JAWS is now likely to report the desired information.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 7:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

It seems to me there was a solution to this little problem, but I can’t remember it. JAWS 2019 in Windows 10 gives inaccurate counts of files.  It will report that a given file is 1 of 25, when in fact there are many more than 25 files in the folder. I have changed the item type of the folder, to no avail. NVDA does this fine. The file is maximized. Is there a known fix?

 

 


moderated Re: Audible webpage.

Randy Barnett
 

Edge Dev or regular Edge? I get the text with Edge Dev, Chrome, Brave  and Firefox but not IE 11. I dont use Regular Edge at all so dont know if it does it too.

On 9/23/2019 9:16 AM, Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io wrote:

On the link you gave, I hear it when in Google Chrome, but not when using IE or Edge.  I’m on JAWS 2019 April or May release.   I tried to isolate what it is, but couldn’t. 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 8:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Audible webpage.

 

Yes, 'segart prompted me to use IE it Seems to render this site without all the extra text.

I use what works and if that is IE then I will use it. I use win 10 and win 7 as well as 4 web  browsers. They all have there place and blindly leaving tools behind is foolish. 😁

Just noticed if you left or right arrow over the smiley jaws wont read it... But up or down arrow or any other reading command will.

 

On 9/22/2019 5:13 PM, clarence carter via Groups.Io wrote:

I have noticed when in Firefox, and Sometimes in Chrome. It is not consistant, so it is hard to pin down what JAWS is looking at. I also notice extra text along with the book titles when in Chrome. Anybody else notice this?



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moderated Re: help with narrator and Jaws

Randy Barnett
 

Left Shift plus esc will also close Narrator.

On 9/23/2019 4:14 AM, G. Gray wrote:
Hello-
 
Thanks for the help!  I finally got it shut off, but control windows key and enter did not work.  I use Windows 7 home and JFW 2019 latest version, so maybe that command is different. for Windows 7 users  It was really a frustrating situation!!!
 
 
George
 
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 5:32 AM
Subject: Re: help with narrator and Jaws
 

 

Press Control-Windows key-Enter to toggle off Narrator.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 9/23/2019 6:24 AM, G. Gray wrote:
I thought I’d try narrator to see if I could get Jaws to tell the number of files in a folder.  Worked ok, but now I have Jaws + narrator.  What is the key combo to shut off narrator???  Thanks
 
Regards,

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moderated Re: help with narrator and Jaws

Ann Byrne
 

In Narrator settings there is an item that says 'enable shortcut key' or some such thing. Without that checked, the shortcut doesn't work.

At 07:28 AM 9/23/2019, you wrote:
Thanks, but that didn’t work either. Well I tried that combo...did not work, it looks like the command to stop Narrator in Win. 7 home + JFW is

insert + control + home

I had it on my desktop....but it is gone now!!!!



Regards,

George

From: <mailto:topdot@...>Dean Martineau
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 6:24 AM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: help with narrator and Jaws

In Windows 7, I believe the keystroke is Windows+Enter.



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of G. Gray
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 7:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: help with narrator and Jaws

Hello-

Thanks for the help! I finally got it shut off, but control windows key and enter did not work. I use Windows 7 home and JFW 2019 latest version, so maybe that command is different. for Windows 7 users It was really a frustrating situation!!!


George

From: <mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io>Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 5:32 AM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: help with narrator and Jaws




Press Control-Windows key-Enter to toggle off Narrator.



Gerald




On 9/23/2019 6:24 AM, G. Gray wrote:
I thought I’d try narrator to see if I could get Jaws to tell the number of files in a folder. Worked ok, but now I have Jaws + narrator. What is the key combo to shut off narrator??? Thanks

Regards,

George

Think about:
60 years ago, Venezuela was 4th on the world economic freedom index.
Today, they are 179th and their citizens are dying of starvation.
In just the last 10 years, Venezuela was destroyed by democratic socialism, and
Russia donated $0.00 to the Trump campaign; But Russia donated $145,600,000 to the Clinton Foundation (after Hillary sold them 20% of our uranium…illegally).
But President Trump was the one investiggated! (Proverbs 29:2)

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moderated Re: Do I need JAVA?

JM Casey
 

One offline product that requires the Java Runtime Environment to run properly is the database software component of OpenOffice (and, I imagine, libre as well).

 

 

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Sent: September 23, 2019 5:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Do I need JAVA?

 

There's no way anyone can really answer this, as it depends entirely on whether you use any online apps or websites that use Java.

I would uninstall the Java Runtime Environment from Control Panel, Programs & Features then see how things go.  If you do end up needing Java for something you can just download and reinstall it again, which is what you'll do anyway if you wish to try to resolve this issue.

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moderated Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

JM Casey
 

Adrian…

Are you saying that the status line can either show the count of items on the screen or the count of items in a folder, depending on certain circumstances?

If so, what are those circumstances?

It very 8definitely* shows the complete count of items in the folder for me. I just verified again by opening a folder with over 4000 items. They are counted correctly. And, I’m a little skeptical because I honestly can’t really see the point in having a line that only shows the number of items displayed on the screen rather than the total count.

Maybe it depends on the view of the folder that’s set?

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: September 23, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

Tom,

 

If insert-pagedown is working for you, that’s what’s supposed to happen. However, for a lot of folders, that count measures only the number of files shown in a screen. It doesn’t show the number of files in the folder, which is often much larger. The method I described, which I learned from Rebecca on the closed JAWS list, enables JAWS users to get both the screen and the folder count.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 10:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

Adrian:

 

Unfortunately, I was unable to get an accurate file count by switching to Narrator, and then back to Jaws as you suggest.

 

For me, insert page down seems to be the best way to get an accurate file count, until this bug is fixed.

 

Of course, I’m always open to other suggestions.

 

By the way, I always check to be sure my screen is maximized.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 5:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

Dean,

 

Switch to Narrator, which gives counts for both the current screen and the entire file list in a folder. Switch back to JAWS, and JAWS is now likely to report the desired information.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 7:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

It seems to me there was a solution to this little problem, but I can’t remember it. JAWS 2019 in Windows 10 gives inaccurate counts of files.  It will report that a given file is 1 of 25, when in fact there are many more than 25 files in the folder. I have changed the item type of the folder, to no avail. NVDA does this fine. The file is maximized. Is there a known fix?