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moderated Re: OT - Setting Up the "Guest" Account in Windows 10

 

I've never seen the point in the Guest account (as such) anyway.  You can set up a local account with standard privileges, and without a password unless that's changed very recently, and have the same thing.  I've created a local account named Visitor for that purpose on some machines.

Why go through a bunch of gyrations to get something you can create via the regular Accounts settings?
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Creating a local account under Windows 10 (Version 1903 used for steps)
 
1. Open Settings, Accounts, Family & Other Users Pane.
 
2. Navigate to the Add someone else to this PC button.  Activate it.  (It's under the Other users section)
 
3.  The Microsoft Account dialog will open, asking for an e-mail or phone number, but since you're trying to create a local account activate the I don't have this person's sign in information link instead.
 
4.  In the next screen of the dialog, Create Account, activate the Add a user without a Microsoft account link.
 
5.  In the next screen, Create an account for this PC, enter the user name you want in the edit box Who's going to use this PC?   If you wish to have a password, then in the two edit boxes under Make it secure, enter the password and enter it again.  If you don't want a password, leave those blank.
 
You're done.  The account will be created as a local account with standard privileges and should now appear on your login screen as one you can choose from.

This has been the method for a while now, though I can't remember which version I was using when I last created a local account before creating one now to get through the steps above.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

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         ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: OT - Setting Up the "Guest" Account in Windows 10

 

Why not call Microsoft Accessibility and get them to help you with it since I am almost 100% certain it can still be done just fine.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 12:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OT - Setting Up the "Guest" Account in Windows 10

 

Darn! MS wants to know everything we do on our PC's! I cant find any way to setup an offline account in v1903.

even with the command line method I used before I cant do it. The link for setup an offline account wont activate. No mention of an guest account anywhere.

On 9/24/2019 9:02 AM, Richard B. McDonald wrote:

Hi!

 

I am using JAWS 2019 on a Windows 10 PC.  I have read about four alternative ways to setup the “Guest” account in Windows 10.  Two of them involve doing it through the command prompt, one involves doing it through setting up “group policies” and the fourth one involves doing it through “computer management.”  From what I have read, all of the first three methods do not really work correctly and are problematic.  So, about the fourth method, does anyone have experience with it?  Is it the right way to do it?  Basically, I want a *real* “Guest” account that 1) appears on the sign-in screen, 2) requires no sign-in password, 3) and has more restrictions than does a traditional  “restricted” account among other of the “Guest” account’s limitations.  Note, from what I have read, those first three methods do not have the same level of limitations as does a real “Guest” account, among other problems with those methods.

 

Thanks,

Richard


moderated J2019.1909.28 Update + What's New In This Build

Mike B
 

Hi All,
 
Below is the download link and what's new in this J2019.1909.28 build.
 
32 & 64 bit:
 
 
What's new:
 
Enhancements in JAWS 2019.1909.28 (September 2019)
 
The following is a list of improvements made in JAWS 2019 between the August 2019 update and the September 2019 update.
 
list of 9 items
• For single-user perpetual licenses, JAWS, Fusion, and ZoomText 2019 now check to see if an update to your license is available when the software first
starts. For instance, you recently purchased or renewed a Software Maintenance Agreement (SMA). You will then have the option to update the license on
your local computer. This allows you to install major releases in the future you are licensed to run without having to go through the authorization process
after the install.
• While browsing the internet, JAWS will no longer announce "Clickable" by default as you move to various content.
• You should no longer hear the message "Press JAWS Key+ALT+R to hear descriptive text" as you navigate form controls and certain other elements on the
web.
• Resolved a reported issue where JAWS and Word would become unresponsive when attempting to edit a long comment.
• By default in Word and Outlook, JAWS will no longer announce "Alt SHIFT F10 to adjust Auto Correction" when you move to something that was auto corrected
previously.
• The AutoCorrect Detection option, previously only available in the Quick Settings for Word, can now also be changed in the Quick Settings for Outlook
(INSERT+V).
• JAWS and Fusion will no longer gather and announce the count of all the objects, misspellings, grammatical errors, and so on when a document is opened
in Word. This will enable documents to load much faster, including very large documents containing a lot of these items. You can always press INSERT+F1
for an overview of what the document contains.
• If the Table Display option located under the Braille group in Quick Settings is set to Current Row or Current Column, addressed a reported issue where
the current row or column was not being shown on the braille display as expected while navigating tables in Java applications.
• Resolved translation issues with the Hungarian Liblouis braille table.
list end
 
 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.


moderated Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

Randy Barnett
 

You may have to put up with this until you upgrade then. As win10 is upgraded every six months not having an MSA will be a bigger issue and at 5 dollars a month (120 over 24mos.) I wouldn't put up with the headaches of lagging behind Microsoft and it's constant major changes to the OS.



On 9/24/2019 11:15 AM, JM Casey wrote:

Huh.

Well, I’m using JAWS 2018 still (haven’t been able to justify paying for an upgrade, yet), and have never had any problems with the status line not being read when the appropriate command is issued. That definitely would be something to speak to FS about, because it really shouldn’t be happening – that command has been around forever and if it’s broken on some systems, something fundamental must have been screwed up somewhere.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: September 23, 2019 11:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

I made sure the status bar was enabled but Jaws wont read it with insert plus pgdn. I can see it with the Jaws cursor so it is there. and the count matches what Jaws and NVDA were telling me.

We all need to report this to FS if it is happening to you.

On 9/23/2019 8:03 PM, Randy Barnett via Groups.Io wrote:

I just went to my music folder and the count of 241 folders is correct and then I went to windows/system32 and the count of 4662 was correct also. I use the read line command and wait for the folder/file count which is the last thing to be read.

Win 10 v1903, Jaws 2019 and Jaws 2020 beta. Checked against NVDA 2019.2.

 

I came in late so did I miss something important?

On 9/23/2019 4:39 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Adrian…

Are you saying that the status line can either show the count of items on the screen or the count of items in a folder, depending on certain circumstances?

If so, what are those circumstances?

It very 8definitely* shows the complete count of items in the folder for me. I just verified again by opening a folder with over 4000 items. They are counted correctly. And, I’m a little skeptical because I honestly can’t really see the point in having a line that only shows the number of items displayed on the screen rather than the total count.

Maybe it depends on the view of the folder that’s set?

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: September 23, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

Tom,

 

If insert-pagedown is working for you, that’s what’s supposed to happen. However, for a lot of folders, that count measures only the number of files shown in a screen. It doesn’t show the number of files in the folder, which is often much larger. The method I described, which I learned from Rebecca on the closed JAWS list, enables JAWS users to get both the screen and the folder count.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 10:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

Adrian:

 

Unfortunately, I was unable to get an accurate file count by switching to Narrator, and then back to Jaws as you suggest.

 

For me, insert page down seems to be the best way to get an accurate file count, until this bug is fixed.

 

Of course, I’m always open to other suggestions.

 

By the way, I always check to be sure my screen is maximized.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 5:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

Dean,

 

Switch to Narrator, which gives counts for both the current screen and the entire file list in a folder. Switch back to JAWS, and JAWS is now likely to report the desired information.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 7:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: accurate item counts in file explorer windows

 

It seems to me there was a solution to this little problem, but I can’t remember it. JAWS 2019 in Windows 10 gives inaccurate counts of files.  It will report that a given file is 1 of 25, when in fact there are many more than 25 files in the folder. I have changed the item type of the folder, to no avail. NVDA does this fine. The file is maximized. Is there a known fix?

 

 


moderated Re: Two Questions re Outlook, JAWS and Windows-10

JOHN RIEHL
 

Thanks. That will work when sending attachments, but when saving attachments I get via e-mail I need another solution.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 11:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Two Questions re Outlook, JAWS and Windows-10

 

I’m not sure about reassigning the keystrokes to move around the panes, as this is a Microsoft keystroke, but I’ll point out that Shift F6 and F6 do the trick and require a bit less finger gymnastics from the key combo you mentioned.  I’ve put a few tactile bumps on my keyboard to help me quickly determine function keys.

 

As for attaching files, I’m still on Office 2016 and don’t have the issue you describe.  However, I’d like to suggest a solid method for adding attachments that I prefer.  Use the Windows File Explorer to find the files you want. Hit Control C to copy.  Then, when focus is in the message body of your email, just hit Control V to paste and your attachment is added. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...> On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 5:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Two Questions re Outlook, JAWS and Windows-10

 

Hi. I’m new to this particular group; I was on the other JAWS list until it was no more.

I have two questions re Outlook 2019, the latest JAWS and Windows-10.

Is there any way to change the key that I use to move between panes in Outlook? It used to be you could press Shift-tab when in outlook to move between your  mailboxes and e-mails, etc. Now the key combo is control-shift-tab. I’d like to go back to the previous key combo. Is this possible?

 

My second issue is more serious. In Outlook 2019, whenever I want to save or send a file, the first time I try to do it JAWS is very very slow in bringing up the list of folders and files.  If I then save or send another file, the list of folders and files quickly appears. This is 100% repeatable and is highly annoying.

Does anyone have a fix for this?

Thanks.

John



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moderated Re: New feature in Edge Dev

Randy Barnett
 

Well, This was taken directly from my browsers you have been updated to the latest version page  after opening it. But like you I cant find it either.

On 9/24/2019 8:42 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Is this maybe still part of the Canary built? I had an Edge Dev update today and I'm now on "Version 79.0.279.0 (Official build) dev (64-bit)" and I can find no such feature in Settings > Site Permissions.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New feature in Edge Dev

The latest release of Edge Dev has introduced a feature we all can benefit from:

Prevent videos from playing automatically To address a top request we've heard in feedback, we have introduced a setting which allows you prevent media from playing automatically when you arrive on a site.To check this out, just open the Settings and more (...) menu, choose Settings and then Site permissions. Scroll down and click on Media autoplay.
You can choose from three options: Allow, Block, and Limit. Allow is the default and will place no autoplay restrictions on sites. The Block option will prevent media from playing automatically on all sites, and the Limit option will determine whether to block autoplay based on how you've used media on a given site in the past.Give this a try and let us know how it works for you. We'd be especially interested to know if this isn't working on a particular website.






moderated Re: OT - Setting Up the "Guest" Account in Windows 10

Randy Barnett
 

Darn! MS wants to know everything we do on our PC's! I cant find any way to setup an offline account in v1903.

even with the command line method I used before I cant do it. The link for setup an offline account wont activate. No mention of an guest account anywhere.

On 9/24/2019 9:02 AM, Richard B. McDonald wrote:

Hi!

 

I am using JAWS 2019 on a Windows 10 PC.  I have read about four alternative ways to setup the “Guest” account in Windows 10.  Two of them involve doing it through the command prompt, one involves doing it through setting up “group policies” and the fourth one involves doing it through “computer management.”  From what I have read, all of the first three methods do not really work correctly and are problematic.  So, about the fourth method, does anyone have experience with it?  Is it the right way to do it?  Basically, I want a *real* “Guest” account that 1) appears on the sign-in screen, 2) requires no sign-in password, 3) and has more restrictions than does a traditional  “restricted” account among other of the “Guest” account’s limitations.  Note, from what I have read, those first three methods do not have the same level of limitations as does a real “Guest” account, among other problems with those methods.

 

Thanks,

Richard


moderated Re: Two Questions re Outlook, JAWS and Windows-10

Van Lant, Robin
 

I’m not sure about reassigning the keystrokes to move around the panes, as this is a Microsoft keystroke, but I’ll point out that Shift F6 and F6 do the trick and require a bit less finger gymnastics from the key combo you mentioned.  I’ve put a few tactile bumps on my keyboard to help me quickly determine function keys.

 

As for attaching files, I’m still on Office 2016 and don’t have the issue you describe.  However, I’d like to suggest a solid method for adding attachments that I prefer.  Use the Windows File Explorer to find the files you want. Hit Control C to copy.  Then, when focus is in the message body of your email, just hit Control V to paste and your attachment is added. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 5:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Two Questions re Outlook, JAWS and Windows-10

 

Hi. I’m new to this particular group; I was on the other JAWS list until it was no more.

I have two questions re Outlook 2019, the latest JAWS and Windows-10.

Is there any way to change the key that I use to move between panes in Outlook? It used to be you could press Shift-tab when in outlook to move between your  mailboxes and e-mails, etc. Now the key combo is control-shift-tab. I’d like to go back to the previous key combo. Is this possible?

 

My second issue is more serious. In Outlook 2019, whenever I want to save or send a file, the first time I try to do it JAWS is very very slow in bringing up the list of folders and files.  If I then save or send another file, the list of folders and files quickly appears. This is 100% repeatable and is highly annoying.

Does anyone have a fix for this?

Thanks.

John



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moderated goto cell in google sheets with mosilla firefox

William Windels
 

Hello,

 

I use jaws 19 and google sheets (works better in firefox then chrome).

To go to a cell, I have found 2 keystrokes:

Scroll to active cell          Ctrl + Backspace

Or  I found the letter g in the menu’s.

Ctrl+\ does nothing and the command g, gives my a kind of prompt but when I type there e.g. c20 and enter, I don’t go to cell c20.

 

Any idea’s?

 

Kind regards,

William Windels

 

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moderated Re: New feature in Edge Dev

 

Is this maybe still part of the Canary built? I had an Edge Dev update today and I'm now on "Version 79.0.279.0 (Official build) dev (64-bit)" and I can find no such feature in Settings > Site Permissions.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New feature in Edge Dev

The latest release of Edge Dev has introduced a feature we all can benefit from:

Prevent videos from playing automatically To address a top request we've heard in feedback, we have introduced a setting which allows you prevent media from playing automatically when you arrive on a site.To check this out, just open the Settings and more (...) menu, choose Settings and then Site permissions. Scroll down and click on Media autoplay.
You can choose from three options: Allow, Block, and Limit. Allow is the default and will place no autoplay restrictions on sites. The Block option will prevent media from playing automatically on all sites, and the Limit option will determine whether to block autoplay based on how you've used media on a given site in the past.Give this a try and let us know how it works for you. We'd be especially interested to know if this isn't working on a particular website.


moderated Two Questions re Outlook, JAWS and Windows-10

JOHN RIEHL
 

Hi. I’m new to this particular group; I was on the other JAWS list until it was no more.

I have two questions re Outlook 2019, the latest JAWS and Windows-10.

Is there any way to change the key that I use to move between panes in Outlook? It used to be you could press Shift-tab when in outlook to move between your  mailboxes and e-mails, etc. Now the key combo is control-shift-tab. I’d like to go back to the previous key combo. Is this possible?

 

My second issue is more serious. In Outlook 2019, whenever I want to save or send a file, the first time I try to do it JAWS is very very slow in bringing up the list of folders and files.  If I then save or send another file, the list of folders and files quickly appears. This is 100% repeatable and is highly annoying.

Does anyone have a fix for this?

Thanks.

John


moderated Re: Operating System unassisted install

Dan Longmore
 

Hi,

  While, you are correct, in that subjectivity does come into play Windows 10 is more stable, reliable and responsive and less crash prone.  These are most likely why many claim it is better.  Some prefer older OS’s and that’s fine but Windows 10 , for most, is a better platform.

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 3:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

 

Sieghard,

You state that Windows 10 is a better operating system.

That is totally subjective, and only true to those who believe that.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 2:20 PM

Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

 

Hi Phil,

 

If somebody uses Windows 7 because they rely on an application which doesn’t work under Windows 10 then that is perfectly fine, but it is not difficult to mention this so that those of us who recommend Windows 10 because it simply is a better OS than Windows 7 understand the reasoning.

There are a lot of people who want to stick with the old simply because it’s familiar, I experienced my share of issues with some older applications which I absolutely need to run my business, but while some of the issues are frustrating I am prepared to deal with and try to find solutions or at least work-arounds for them. I certainly don’t miss the many crashes of Jaws and other applications under Windows 7 which have almost completely disappeared in Windows 10. I always find some people who point out how great Windows XP or Windows 7 were are like the person who knows they need new shoes, but they find the old ones with all the scuffs and holes just oh so comfortable yet it’s just a matter of time because they fall apart completely.

I will continue to recommend people upgrade to Windows 10 and the latest versions of Jaws (or other screenreader, but this is a Jaws list), if somebody has a valid reason why for now they need to stick with Windows 7 that is fine, but of course we all know that ultimately this won’t be possible any more and if somebody asks for help with whatever issue and they use Jaws 17 or Jaws 18 I’ll simply leave it up to others to answer because you can’t expect a 3 or 4 year old screenreader which doesn’t get updates any more to work perfectly with everything out there which is changing.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Phil Fitchett via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 4:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Operating System unassisted install

 

Hi, by and large this list is obviously very good at helping out jaws users with solving problems. But why, oh why on earth do certain list members insist on shoving their own protracted views on other members, as if they don’t know what they are talking about?

I personally use windows 7 to make use of sonar, which has had jaws scripts written for, but unfortunately can’t have scripts written for windows 10.

There are any number of reasons why users might need, or just want, to use windows 7, and quite honestly, it’s none of your business why.

They are asking for help on this list, and its’ not for you to strike up with personal opinions or know-it-all answers to their questions.

In future, trust what the original poster is asking, and answer in the best way you can. Please let’s end with this know-it-all snooty crap that certain posters insist on using. We are all jaws users and our choices are our own. Leave it alone.

Just my tuppence worth, and if it gets me banned, oh well

Phil

 


moderated New feature in Edge Dev

Randy Barnett
 

The latest release of Edge Dev has introduced a feature we all can benefit from:

Prevent videos from playing automatically
To address a top request we've heard in feedback, we have introduced a setting which allows you prevent media from playing automatically when you arrive
on a site.To check this out, just open the Settings and more (...) menu, choose Settings and then Site permissions. Scroll down and click on Media autoplay.
You can choose from three options: Allow, Block, and Limit. Allow is the default and will place no autoplay restrictions on sites. The Block option will
prevent media from playing automatically on all sites, and the Limit option will determine whether to block autoplay based on how you've used media on
a given site in the past.Give this a try and let us know how it works for you. We'd be especially interested to know if this isn't working on a particular
website.


moderated Re: help with narrator and Jaws

Randy Barnett
 

Sorry I meant caps lock plus escape

Randy Barnett owner of soundtique

On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:15 AM, G. Gray <geogray@...> wrote:


Just for your info 
 
left shift and escape did not close narrator for me
 
control insert and x did
 
I use Windows 7 home + jaws 2019 latest version
 
narrator gives me fits...I took it off my desktop, but wrote down the command to dismiss it. 
 
Thanks,
 
George
 
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: help with narrator and Jaws
 
Left Shift plus esc will also close Narrator.
On 9/23/2019 4:14 AM, G. Gray wrote:
Hello-
 
Thanks for the help!  I finally got it shut off, but control windows key and enter did not work.  I use Windows 7 home and JFW 2019 latest version, so maybe that command is different. for Windows 7 users  It was really a frustrating situation!!!
 
 
George
 
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 5:32 AM
Subject: Re: help with narrator and Jaws
 

 

Press Control-Windows key-Enter to toggle off Narrator.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 9/23/2019 6:24 AM, G. Gray wrote:
I thought I’d try narrator to see if I could get Jaws to tell the number of files in a folder.  Worked ok, but now I have Jaws + narrator.  What is the key combo to shut off narrator???  Thanks
 
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George

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moderated Re: Issues with google chrome

Glenn / Lenny
 

Also,
if it is in another window, you have to alt tab to get back to the window you were in before, where control w allows you to close the window without leaving the browser.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mario" <mrb620@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: Issues with google chrome


I recall that opening a link in separate windows uses a bit more memory
than opening the links in tabs, but either are memory hogs according to
the amount of content from the website it is referencing.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Dean Martineau [mailto:topdot@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, September 24, 2019, 2:51 PM
Subject: Issues with google chrome
There may not be much of an advantage between multiple tabs and multiple
windows. Having several tabs open at once is known to slow down the
system, and I don't know if multiple windows is any worse. In terms of
keyboard access, if you use the task bar well, having pages open in
multiple windows will let you use first-letter navigation to switch
pages. But if you are just alt+tabbing, then having several Chrome
windows open could slow you down.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 2:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Issues with google chrome


What is the advantage of opening web pages in separate tabs vs. opening
them in separate windows? I don't see any, especially for blind users
who can't see the whole screen, anyway.


Gerald



On 9/24/2019 12:59 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
And there are also extensions which when installed won't allow for
Chrome to be closed without a warning, but I tried one of them and
didn't like it.
The Control + W method for closing individual tabs is best, may need a
bit of getting used to until it's part of your muscle memory.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Orlando
Enrique Fiol via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 8:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Issues with google chrome

At 04:18 AM 9/24/2019, David Griffith wrote:
>I don't know why left alt is not working for you but you could try
using backspace.
Backspace does nothing in Chrome. When alt+left or right arrows aren't
working, the best solution is to press F6 before trying to go back or
forward a page. Once on the previous or next page, press tab, then
escape. These commands all have to do with Chrome's focus.

>In relation to closing individual tabs the command for this is
control F4 rather than alt F4 which closes the entire program.
Control+W does the same thing.



Orlando Enrique Fiol















.





moderated Re: Issues with google chrome

Mario
 

I recall that opening a link in separate windows uses a bit more memory
than opening the links in tabs, but either are memory hogs according to
the amount of content from the website it is referencing.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Dean Martineau [mailto:topdot@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, September 24, 2019, 2:51 PM
Subject: Issues with google chrome
There may not be much of an advantage between multiple tabs and multiple
windows. Having several tabs open at once is known to slow down the
system, and I don't know if multiple windows is any worse. In terms of
keyboard access, if you use the task bar well, having pages open in
multiple windows will let you use first-letter navigation to switch
pages. But if you are just alt+tabbing, then having several Chrome
windows open could slow you down.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 2:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Issues with google chrome


What is the advantage of opening web pages in separate tabs vs. opening
them in separate windows? I don't see any, especially for blind users
who can't see the whole screen, anyway.


Gerald



On 9/24/2019 12:59 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
And there are also extensions which when installed won't allow for
Chrome to be closed without a warning, but I tried one of them and
didn't like it.
The Control + W method for closing individual tabs is best, may need a
bit of getting used to until it's part of your muscle memory.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Orlando
Enrique Fiol via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 8:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Issues with google chrome

At 04:18 AM 9/24/2019, David Griffith wrote:
>I don't know why left alt is not working for you but you could try
>using backspace.

Backspace does nothing in Chrome. When alt+left or right arrows aren't
working, the best solution is to press F6 before trying to go back or
forward a page. Once on the previous or next page, press tab, then
escape. These commands all have to do with Chrome's focus.

>In relation to closing individual tabs the command for this is
>control F4 rather than alt F4 which closes the entire program.

Control+W does the same thing.



Orlando Enrique Fiol















.


moderated Re: Issues with google chrome

Mario
 

additionally, if the sound effects extension is installed, you'll get a
distinctive sound when a link opens in a new tab or a separate window,
letting you know what to press to close the page; either control+w or
alt+f4 (or should that be control+f4?).

-------- Original Message --------
From: Glenn / Lenny [mailto:glennervin@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, September 24, 2019, 2:48 PM
Subject: Issues with google chrome
Hi Gerald,
The nice thing about separate tabs is that you can do control + W and
close them without closing the entire browser.
For example, when I hear it say
opening in a new tab, I know that I can close that tab/window and not
close the previous page.
Glenn

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Levy via Groups.Io"
<bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: Issues with google chrome



What is the advantage of opening web pages in separate tabs vs. opening
them in separate windows? I don't see any, especially for blind users
who can't see the whole screen, anyway.


Gerald



On 9/24/2019 12:59 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
And there are also extensions which when installed won't allow for
Chrome to be closed without a warning, but I tried one of them and
didn't like it.
The Control + W method for closing individual tabs is best, may need a
bit of getting used to until it's part of your muscle memory.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Orlando
Enrique Fiol via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 8:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Issues with google chrome

At 04:18 AM 9/24/2019, David Griffith wrote:
  >I don't know why left alt is not working for you but you could try
 >using backspace.

Backspace does nothing in Chrome. When alt+left or right arrows aren't
working, the best solution is to press F6 before trying to go back or
forward a page. Once on the previous or next page, press tab, then
escape. These commands all have to do with Chrome's focus.

  >In relation to closing individual tabs the command for  this is
 >control F4 rather than alt F4 which closes the entire program.

Control+W does the same thing.



Orlando Enrique Fiol















.


moderated Re: Issues with google chrome

Gerald Levy
 

You can close separate windows with Control-F4 without closing the browser.  Same difference. The advantage of opening web pages in separate windows is that you can choose to open them in incognito windows, which I have found to be faster and less prone to crashes, especially with sites like Amazon.com.


Gerald

On 9/24/2019 2:48 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Hi Gerald,
The nice thing about separate tabs is that you can do control + W and close them without closing the entire browser.
For example, when I hear it say
opening in a new tab, I know that I can close that tab/window and not close the previous page.
Glenn

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Levy via Groups.Io" <bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: Issues with google chrome



What is the advantage of opening web pages in separate tabs vs. opening
them in separate windows? I don't see any, especially for blind users
who can't see the whole screen, anyway.


Gerald



On 9/24/2019 12:59 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
And there are also extensions which when installed won't allow for Chrome to be closed without a warning, but I tried one of them and didn't like it.
The Control + W method for closing individual tabs is best, may need a bit of getting used to until it's part of your muscle memory.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Orlando Enrique Fiol via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 8:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Issues with google chrome

At 04:18 AM 9/24/2019, David Griffith wrote:
  >I don't know why left alt is not working for you but you could try  >using backspace.

Backspace does nothing in Chrome. When alt+left or right arrows aren't working, the best solution is to press F6 before trying to go back or forward a page. Once on the previous or next page, press tab, then escape. These commands all have to do with Chrome's focus.

  >In relation to closing individual tabs the command for this is  >control F4 rather than alt F4 which closes the entire program.

Control+W does the same thing.



Orlando Enrique Fiol













moderated Re: Issues with google chrome

Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
 

There may not be much of an advantage between multiple tabs and multiple windows. Having several tabs open at once is known to slow down the system, and I don't know if multiple windows is any worse. In terms of keyboard access, if you use the task bar well, having pages open in multiple windows will let you use first-letter navigation to switch pages. But if you are just alt+tabbing, then having several Chrome windows open could slow you down.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 2:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Issues with google chrome


What is the advantage of opening web pages in separate tabs vs. opening
them in separate windows? I don't see any, especially for blind users
who can't see the whole screen, anyway.


Gerald



On 9/24/2019 12:59 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
And there are also extensions which when installed won't allow for Chrome to be closed without a warning, but I tried one of them and didn't like it.
The Control + W method for closing individual tabs is best, may need a bit of getting used to until it's part of your muscle memory.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Orlando Enrique Fiol via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 8:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Issues with google chrome

At 04:18 AM 9/24/2019, David Griffith wrote:
>I don't know why left alt is not working for you but you could try >using backspace.

Backspace does nothing in Chrome. When alt+left or right arrows aren't working, the best solution is to press F6 before trying to go back or forward a page. Once on the previous or next page, press tab, then escape. These commands all have to do with Chrome's focus.

>In relation to closing individual tabs the command for this is >control F4 rather than alt F4 which closes the entire program.

Control+W does the same thing.



Orlando Enrique Fiol








moderated Re: Issues with google chrome

Glenn / Lenny
 

Hi Gerald,
The nice thing about separate tabs is that you can do control + W and close them without closing the entire browser.
For example, when I hear it say
opening in a new tab, I know that I can close that tab/window and not close the previous page.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy via Groups.Io" <bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: Issues with google chrome



What is the advantage of opening web pages in separate tabs vs. opening
them in separate windows? I don't see any, especially for blind users
who can't see the whole screen, anyway.


Gerald



On 9/24/2019 12:59 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
And there are also extensions which when installed won't allow for Chrome to be closed without a warning, but I tried one of them and didn't like it.
The Control + W method for closing individual tabs is best, may need a bit of getting used to until it's part of your muscle memory.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Orlando Enrique Fiol via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 8:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Issues with google chrome

At 04:18 AM 9/24/2019, David Griffith wrote:
>I don't know why left alt is not working for you but you could try using backspace.

Backspace does nothing in Chrome. When alt+left or right arrows aren't working, the best solution is to press F6 before trying to go back or forward a page. Once on the previous or next page, press tab, then escape. These commands all have to do with Chrome's focus.

>In relation to closing individual tabs the command for this is control F4 rather than alt F4 which closes the entire program.

Control+W does the same thing.



Orlando Enrique Fiol