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moderated Re: Using Slack with JAWS

Abraham Sweiss
 

Use control plus K. This will give you a list of all your channels including direct messages which have unread messages.

Thanks,abraham

On Apr 26, 2020, at 2:38 PM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND <pamela.a.ekstrand.-nd@disney.com> wrote:

Hi All,

If anyone uses Slack with JAWS, I have a question. When someone direct messages me in Slack, I get a notification sound, but I don't hear who contacted me in Slack. Is there any way to have JAWS announce who pinged me? I eventually get an email because I have notifications turned on, but I need to know sooner who tried to contact me.

Thanks for any help.

Pam
moderated Using Slack with JAWS

Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
 

Hi All,

If anyone uses Slack with JAWS, I have a question. When someone direct messages me in Slack, I get a notification sound, but I don't hear who contacted me in Slack. Is there any way to have JAWS announce who pinged me? I eventually get an email because I have notifications turned on, but I need to know sooner who tried to contact me.

Thanks for any help.

Pam
moderated Re: what is the keystroke to bring up the emojis pannel in jaws 18?

Brian Vogel
 

On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 11:02 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
It is Windows Key + Period
I can't speak to what earlier versions of JAWS will or will not do with the Emoji panel, but that shortcut is a Windows 10 shortcut, and it will bring it up.  So will Windows Key + Semicolon.  Keyboard Shortcuts in Windows.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss
moderated Re: what is the keystroke to bring up the emojis pannel in jaws 18?

Mario
 

it's not in 2018 or 18.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Sieghard Weitzel [mailto:sieghard@live.ca]
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Sunday, April 26, 2020, 11:01 AM
Subject: what is the keystroke to bring up the emojis pannel in jaws 18?
It is Windows Key + Period, but I am not sure if this is supported in
Jaws 2018, I am almost certain it is not and definitely not in Jaws 18.
I believe you need at least Jaws 2019 for this to work.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Mich Verrier
*Sent:* Saturday, April 25, 2020 10:27 PM
*To:* jfw@groups.io
*Subject:* what is the keystroke to bring up the emojis pannel in jaws 18?

Hi all. I just was trying to bring up the emojis panel I am running jaws
2018 as well as I have jaws 18 on my pc. I don’t have jaws 19 but I am
wondering what the keystroke to bring up emojis like red hart, face
blowing a kiss, smiley etc would be?  from Mich.
moderated Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Andrew Summers
 

Pat,
Have you gone to the JAWS help and come down to License sub menu and then
pressed enter on Update Activation...
If not please try that!

Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: 26 April 2020 13:49
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi Andrew,

There is no jaws window when jaws 2020 starts up. I have to exit it and
start it again in order to gain access to anything.
I tried your suggestion some time ago. The remove authorization option will
not remove the ilm key.
Pat


ent from my gmail account

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrew
Summers via groups.io
Sent: Sunday 26 April 2020 11:44
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi Pat,
If you go to the JAWS window, and then press the menu bar and go to the
Utilities menu, you will find in there Explore Utilities Folder.
Press enter on that.
In there is an option to Remove JAWS Activation, press enter.
HTH

Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: 26 April 2020 08:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi Dave,

Yes, i am on the last version of jaws 2018 which is all i am entitled to.
I did use the jaws import wizard to copy my shared settings.
I have a 90 day ilm key just to try out jaws 2020.
Jaws2020 and jaws2018 are now both authorized using the same 90 day key for
some reason.
With regards to settings etc, i uninstalled both, reinstalled both, removed
both again with all settings and shared components, reinstalled jaws2020,
but still the problem exists.
One peculiar thing though, i started up my computer yesterday from a
shutdown, and everything with jaws2020 worked fine.
I did the exact same thing just now, and the problem came back.
I am convinced at this stage, that it does have something to do with the new
"grace period" authorization function introduced in jaws 2019.
I think it is loading before it knows for certain whether or not you have a
valid key. Sometimes the check works, and sometimes it doesn't and jaws half
loads with no actual jaws window.
I also think, that it might have something to do with the ilm key, as this
is a very old type of authorization for a pc, as against the internet
activation method. However, i am not paying for an upgrade until i can get a
definite sort-out for this problem. As i said in another post, there is
always nvda, but i would rather stay with jaws.

Regards,

Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Saturday 25 April 2020 10:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hello Pat:

Question 1: With JAWS 18, are you on the last upgrade for your current SMA?
Which is why you are using the temporary license for JAWS 2020, so you can
try its new and upgraded features?

Question 2: did you use the JAWS function, which copies the settings you set

in JAWS 18 to JAWS 2020?

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Murphy" <murphy.patrick42@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.


Hi Sieghard,

Thanks for that. I am actually in Ireland, but i will try this and see
what response i get.
Do you have their skype number?

Pat


Sent from my gmail account.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday 25 April 2020 05:01
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Patrick, are you in the UK? What number do you call? I can see how an
email could take several days to receive a reply, but if you call
their regular US number (if you are in the UK an duse Skype you can
even call their toll free
number) you should get somebody on the line right away.
The regular number is +1 727-803-8600.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick
Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi,

I too agree with bill.
I sent two emails about jaws 2020 not starting correctly, and got
nothing back but "thanks for your email".


Sent from my gmail account.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 18:52
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi, Merv. I don't understand, then, why they didn't get back to me the
other day, when I put in my callback number.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Merv
Keck
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Vispero is not closed due to COVID-19. Everyone is working as usual.
If you need technical, customer, or sales support call vispero as
usual. Vispero has not ever closed due to the virus. They are
continuing to support their customers as usual.
Merv


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 1:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi, Patrick. Even if JAWS starts before Windows starts, eventually you
should get to the desktop, as JAWS is made to start before many
programs, and after they load, JAWS still provides voicing, screen
content and navigation. If you wish, since Vispero is temporarily
closed due to COVID-19, you may give me a call at,

714-835-6295,
and I will stay on the phone with you to see what is happening.

I hope I may be able to help you.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Patrick Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 8:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi,

Yes, latest version of windows 10 home edition with all necessary and
optional updates installed.
Checked yesterday, and there is no further updates needed.
Downloaded the latest version of jaws from freedom scientific and used it.
All apps in startup are turned off, apart from the necessary ones such
as the audio drivers etc that are actually necessary.
There is an application file for jaws set to "on". I set this to "off"
just
in case, but no difference.
Pat


Sent from my gmail account.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Abraham Sweiss
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 16:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Is windows fully patched.
Are you installing the latest version of jaws. I think It is the March
release I believe.

Thanks,abraham

On Apr 24, 2020, at 11:12 AM, Patrick Murphy
<murphy.patrick42@gmail.com>
wrote:

I did this, but no results.
I disabled both start at logon screen and start for this user always
in
jaws
2018.
I then set them for jaws 2020.
Only one should load.
However, i did notice one peculiar thing.
When i set either of them to "always start for this user", the option
changes for both versions. I cannot set 2018 to "never" and 2020 to
"always". No matter where i change it (20158 or 2020), it defaults to
the same thing in both versions. The only independant thing is "start
at the logon screen". This is different when set in both versions.


Sent from my gmail account.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rick Mladek
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 16:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

The problem may be as I had. Both versions, 18 and 20 are fighting to
load at same time. Go into whatever version you do not want to load
and correct this and be sure the version you want to load is properly
set. Then I do believe this will be better...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick
Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi,

I wasn't aware of this feature, but you could be right. Now that i
think
of
it, it started right after i installed the temporary authorization
(90
days)
that i was given to try it out.
That could explain why 2018 works and 2020 doesn't. If it checks
while windows is loading, it could be a problem. When i stop and
restart it, it
is
fine, but then windows is fully up at that time.
Any way to disable/check/change this or something?

Pat


Sent from my gmail account.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann
Byrne
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 14:34
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

might that be the JAWS feature touted as new in either 2019 or 2020,
saying
that JAWS will speak before checking your authorization, so you don't
have to wait so long to hear that it is running. However, it doesn't
do
anything
till it makes internal checks and decides what context you are
running in.
So in my opinion it is a totally useless change which FS calls an
improvement.
At 07:59 AM 4/24/2020, you wrote:
Hi Mike,

I have tried all this, I tried to post a full message about
everything last night, but it was not approved. I think it was too big.
Regardless of what I do with jaws2020 (login screen etc), the first
time it starts up, there is no window to go to.
Insert+j brings you nowhere whether it is running from system tray
Insert+or
not.
If you shut it down (insert+f4) and then restart it, everything is ok.
If you don't start it at the login screen, it still produces no window.
Pat


Sent from my gmail account.

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike B
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 13:37
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

It sounds like J2020 is set to start on the log-in screen. If
you're saying that there's no Jaws window when you, Alt + tab, you
probably have J2020 running from the system tray. To find the
settings for both these items press, Insert + J, to open the Jaws
context menu, press the letter, O, to open, Options, and press the
letter, B, to open,
Basic.
Now tab to Automatically start Jaws...
button and press the spacebar to find your Jaws start settings and
tab to Okay and press the spacebar when you're through in here. Now
tab 3 times or so to, Run Jaws from system tray, and uncheck this if
you want the Jaws window to be in the, Alt + Tab, order, then tab to
Okay and press enter to save / close.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
*My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that
when I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:murphy.patrick42@gmail.com>Patrick Murphy
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 2:37 AM
Subject: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi,

I am new to this group, so i hope i am doing this right.
I have jaws2018 and 2020. 2018 works fine, but when 2020 starts,
there is no jaws window.
It seems to be starting before windows 10 has loaded.
I uninstalled and reinstalled it, but there was no change.

Any ideas?

Regards,

Pat


Sent from my gmail account.
moderated Re: what is the keystroke to bring up the emojis pannel in jaws 18?

Sieghard Weitzel
 

It is Windows Key + Period, but I am not sure if this is supported in Jaws 2018, I am almost certain it is not and definitely not in Jaws 18. I believe you need at least Jaws 2019 for this to work.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mich Verrier
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 10:27 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: what is the keystroke to bring up the emojis pannel in jaws 18?

 

Hi all. I just was trying to bring up the emojis panel I am running jaws 2018 as well as I have jaws 18 on my pc. I don’t have jaws 19 but I am wondering what the keystroke to bring up emojis like red hart, face blowing a kiss, smiley etc would be?  from Mich.
moderated Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Ann Byrne
 

<https://support.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS/JAWSWhatsNew?version=2019>https://support.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS/JAWSWhatsNew?version=2019


JAWS 2019 Features




Faster JAWS Startup with Grace Period Authorization

JAWS 2019 introduces a new concept to help ease the delay in response when JAWS first launches and looks for authorization. In prior versions, JAWS would not fully start until proper authorization was found. Since Authorization can include searching for a network license, the amount of time before JAWS started speaking could be significant. While it is not possible to speed up this period directly, the authorization process will now be completed simultaneously to startup. As JAWS searches for authorization, it enters a new "grace period" authorization state which provides limited functionality, similar to what is available on the logon screen, so you can use speech and braille while authorization discovery takes place. Once the authorization check has finished, JAWS then uses the correct feature set based on the license.
moderated what is the keystroke to bring up the emojis pannel in jaws 18?

Mich Verrier
 

Hi all. I just was trying to bring up the emojis panel I am running jaws 2018 as well as I have jaws 18 on my pc. I don’t have jaws 19 but I am wondering what the keystroke to bring up emojis like red hart, face blowing a kiss, smiley etc would be?  from Mich.
moderated Re: Docusign

tina sohl
 

I still use it for much of bookshare right now and much of my scanning.

On 4/25/20, Tina Sohl <tinabir80@gmail.com> wrote:
DocuScan, yes, it's aand works with screen readers. It's. accessible.
When it was developed the developer was blind.

On 4/25/20, Mark Fisher <fishsilv@iinet.net.au> wrote:
Hi
I have found it really easy to use but would echo that it is easier to
download the doucments and read them offline especially large documents
as
the product does seem to jump around a  bit when moving through them ie
long
legal contracts. Signing them with Docusign however is very easy.

Mark
moderated Re: Docusign

tina sohl
 

DocuScan, yes, it's aand works with screen readers. It's. accessible.
When it was developed the developer was blind.

On 4/25/20, Mark Fisher <fishsilv@iinet.net.au> wrote:
Hi
I have found it really easy to use but would echo that it is easier to
download the doucments and read them offline especially large documents as
the product does seem to jump around a  bit when moving through them ie long
legal contracts. Signing them with Docusign however is very easy.

Mark
moderated Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Patrick Murphy
 

Hi Nermin,

No, fast start is not enabled. Regardless of any problems, i always like to
start windows cold anyway. I would have disabled this anyway.
Pat


Sent from my gmail account.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nermin via
groups.io
Sent: Sunday 26 April 2020 11:46
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi Pat,

is the Windows quickstart feature enabled on this machine?

Regards,
Nermin
moderated Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Patrick Murphy
 

Hi Andrew,

There is no jaws window when jaws 2020 starts up. I have to exit it and
start it again in order to gain access to anything.
I tried your suggestion some time ago. The remove authorization option will
not remove the ilm key.
Pat


ent from my gmail account

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrew
Summers via groups.io
Sent: Sunday 26 April 2020 11:44
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi Pat,
If you go to the JAWS window, and then press the menu bar and go to the
Utilities menu, you will find in there Explore Utilities Folder.
Press enter on that.
In there is an option to Remove JAWS Activation, press enter.
HTH

Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: 26 April 2020 08:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi Dave,

Yes, i am on the last version of jaws 2018 which is all i am entitled to.
I did use the jaws import wizard to copy my shared settings.
I have a 90 day ilm key just to try out jaws 2020.
Jaws2020 and jaws2018 are now both authorized using the same 90 day key for
some reason.
With regards to settings etc, i uninstalled both, reinstalled both, removed
both again with all settings and shared components, reinstalled jaws2020,
but still the problem exists.
One peculiar thing though, i started up my computer yesterday from a
shutdown, and everything with jaws2020 worked fine.
I did the exact same thing just now, and the problem came back.
I am convinced at this stage, that it does have something to do with the new
"grace period" authorization function introduced in jaws 2019.
I think it is loading before it knows for certain whether or not you have a
valid key. Sometimes the check works, and sometimes it doesn't and jaws half
loads with no actual jaws window.
I also think, that it might have something to do with the ilm key, as this
is a very old type of authorization for a pc, as against the internet
activation method. However, i am not paying for an upgrade until i can get a
definite sort-out for this problem. As i said in another post, there is
always nvda, but i would rather stay with jaws.

Regards,

Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Saturday 25 April 2020 10:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hello Pat:

Question 1: With JAWS 18, are you on the last upgrade for your current SMA?
Which is why you are using the temporary license for JAWS 2020, so you can
try its new and upgraded features?

Question 2: did you use the JAWS function, which copies the settings you set

in JAWS 18 to JAWS 2020?

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Murphy" <murphy.patrick42@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.


Hi Sieghard,

Thanks for that. I am actually in Ireland, but i will try this and see
what
response i get.
Do you have their skype number?

Pat


Sent from my gmail account.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday 25 April 2020 05:01
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Patrick, are you in the UK? What number do you call? I can see how an
email
could take several days to receive a reply, but if you call their regular
US
number (if you are in the UK an duse Skype you can even call their toll
free
number) you should get somebody on the line right away.
The regular number is +1 727-803-8600.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi,

I too agree with bill.
I sent two emails about jaws 2020 not starting correctly, and got nothing
back but "thanks for your email".


Sent from my gmail account.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 18:52
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi, Merv. I don't understand, then, why they didn't get back to me the
other
day, when I put in my callback number.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Merv
Keck
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Vispero is not closed due to COVID-19. Everyone is working as usual. If
you
need technical, customer, or sales support call vispero as usual. Vispero
has not ever closed due to the virus. They are continuing to support their
customers as usual.
Merv


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 1:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi, Patrick. Even if JAWS starts before Windows starts, eventually you
should get to the desktop, as JAWS is made to start before many programs,
and after they load, JAWS still provides voicing, screen content and
navigation. If you wish, since Vispero is temporarily closed due to
COVID-19, you may give me a call at,

714-835-6295,
and I will stay on the phone with you to see what is happening.

I hope I may be able to help you.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Patrick
Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 8:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi,

Yes, latest version of windows 10 home edition with all necessary and
optional updates installed.
Checked yesterday, and there is no further updates needed.
Downloaded the latest version of jaws from freedom scientific and used it.
All apps in startup are turned off, apart from the necessary ones such as
the audio drivers etc that are actually necessary.
There is an application file for jaws set to "on". I set this to "off"
just
in case, but no difference.
Pat


Sent from my gmail account.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Abraham
Sweiss
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 16:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Is windows fully patched.
Are you installing the latest version of jaws. I think It is the March
release I believe.

Thanks,abraham

On Apr 24, 2020, at 11:12 AM, Patrick Murphy
<murphy.patrick42@gmail.com>
wrote:

I did this, but no results.
I disabled both start at logon screen and start for this user always
in
jaws
2018.
I then set them for jaws 2020.
Only one should load.
However, i did notice one peculiar thing.
When i set either of them to "always start for this user", the option
changes for both versions. I cannot set 2018 to "never" and 2020 to
"always". No matter where i change it (20158 or 2020), it defaults to
the same thing in both versions. The only independant thing is "start
at the logon screen". This is different when set in both versions.


Sent from my gmail account.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick
Mladek
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 16:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

The problem may be as I had. Both versions, 18 and 20 are fighting to
load at same time. Go into whatever version you do not want to load
and correct this and be sure the version you want to load is properly
set. Then I do believe this will be better...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick
Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi,

I wasn't aware of this feature, but you could be right. Now that i
think
of
it, it started right after i installed the temporary authorization (90
days)
that i was given to try it out.
That could explain why 2018 works and 2020 doesn't. If it checks while
windows is loading, it could be a problem. When i stop and restart it,
it
is
fine, but then windows is fully up at that time.
Any way to disable/check/change this or something?

Pat


Sent from my gmail account.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann
Byrne
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 14:34
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

might that be the JAWS feature touted as new in either 2019 or 2020,
saying
that JAWS will speak before checking your authorization, so you don't
have to wait so long to hear that it is running. However, it doesn't
do
anything
till it makes internal checks and decides what context you are running
in.
So in my opinion it is a totally useless change which FS calls an
improvement.
At 07:59 AM 4/24/2020, you wrote:
Hi Mike,

I have tried all this, I tried to post a full message about
everything last night, but it was not approved. I think it was too big.
Regardless of what I do with jaws2020 (login screen etc), the first
time it starts up, there is no window to go to.
Insert+j brings you nowhere whether it is running from system tray or
not.
If you shut it down (insert+f4) and then restart it, everything is ok.
If you don't start it at the login screen, it still produces no window.
Pat


Sent from my gmail account.

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike B
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 13:37
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

It sounds like J2020 is set to start on the log-in screen. If you're
saying that there's no Jaws window when you, Alt + tab, you probably
have J2020 running from the system tray. To find the settings for
both these items press, Insert + J, to open the Jaws context menu,
press the letter, O, to open, Options, and press the letter, B, to
open,
Basic.
Now tab to Automatically start Jaws...
button and press the spacebar to find your Jaws start settings and
tab to Okay and press the spacebar when you're through in here. Now
tab 3 times or so to, Run Jaws from system tray, and uncheck this if
you want the Jaws window to be in the, Alt + Tab, order, then tab to
Okay and press enter to save / close.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
*My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when
I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:murphy.patrick42@gmail.com>Patrick Murphy
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 2:37 AM
Subject: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi,

I am new to this group, so i hope i am doing this right.
I have jaws2018 and 2020. 2018 works fine, but when 2020 starts,
there is no jaws window.
It seems to be starting before windows 10 has loaded.
I uninstalled and reinstalled it, but there was no change.

Any ideas?

Regards,

Pat


Sent from my gmail account.
moderated Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Nermin
 

Hi Pat,

is the Windows quickstart feature enabled on this machine?

Regards,
Nermin
moderated Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Andrew Summers
 

Hi Pat,
If you go to the JAWS window, and then press the menu bar and go to the
Utilities menu, you will find in there Explore Utilities Folder.
Press enter on that.
In there is an option to Remove JAWS Activation, press enter.
HTH

Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: 26 April 2020 08:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi Dave,

Yes, i am on the last version of jaws 2018 which is all i am entitled to.
I did use the jaws import wizard to copy my shared settings.
I have a 90 day ilm key just to try out jaws 2020.
Jaws2020 and jaws2018 are now both authorized using the same 90 day key for
some reason.
With regards to settings etc, i uninstalled both, reinstalled both, removed
both again with all settings and shared components, reinstalled jaws2020,
but still the problem exists.
One peculiar thing though, i started up my computer yesterday from a
shutdown, and everything with jaws2020 worked fine.
I did the exact same thing just now, and the problem came back.
I am convinced at this stage, that it does have something to do with the new
"grace period" authorization function introduced in jaws 2019.
I think it is loading before it knows for certain whether or not you have a
valid key. Sometimes the check works, and sometimes it doesn't and jaws half
loads with no actual jaws window.
I also think, that it might have something to do with the ilm key, as this
is a very old type of authorization for a pc, as against the internet
activation method. However, i am not paying for an upgrade until i can get a
definite sort-out for this problem. As i said in another post, there is
always nvda, but i would rather stay with jaws.

Regards,

Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Saturday 25 April 2020 10:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hello Pat:

Question 1: With JAWS 18, are you on the last upgrade for your current SMA?
Which is why you are using the temporary license for JAWS 2020, so you can
try its new and upgraded features?

Question 2: did you use the JAWS function, which copies the settings you set

in JAWS 18 to JAWS 2020?

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Murphy" <murphy.patrick42@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.


Hi Sieghard,

Thanks for that. I am actually in Ireland, but i will try this and see
what
response i get.
Do you have their skype number?

Pat


Sent from my gmail account.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday 25 April 2020 05:01
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Patrick, are you in the UK? What number do you call? I can see how an
email
could take several days to receive a reply, but if you call their regular
US
number (if you are in the UK an duse Skype you can even call their toll
free
number) you should get somebody on the line right away.
The regular number is +1 727-803-8600.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi,

I too agree with bill.
I sent two emails about jaws 2020 not starting correctly, and got nothing
back but "thanks for your email".


Sent from my gmail account.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 18:52
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi, Merv. I don't understand, then, why they didn't get back to me the
other
day, when I put in my callback number.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Merv
Keck
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Vispero is not closed due to COVID-19. Everyone is working as usual. If
you
need technical, customer, or sales support call vispero as usual. Vispero
has not ever closed due to the virus. They are continuing to support their
customers as usual.
Merv


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 1:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi, Patrick. Even if JAWS starts before Windows starts, eventually you
should get to the desktop, as JAWS is made to start before many programs,
and after they load, JAWS still provides voicing, screen content and
navigation. If you wish, since Vispero is temporarily closed due to
COVID-19, you may give me a call at,

714-835-6295,
and I will stay on the phone with you to see what is happening.

I hope I may be able to help you.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Patrick
Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 8:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi,

Yes, latest version of windows 10 home edition with all necessary and
optional updates installed.
Checked yesterday, and there is no further updates needed.
Downloaded the latest version of jaws from freedom scientific and used it.
All apps in startup are turned off, apart from the necessary ones such as
the audio drivers etc that are actually necessary.
There is an application file for jaws set to "on". I set this to "off"
just
in case, but no difference.
Pat


Sent from my gmail account.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Abraham
Sweiss
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 16:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Is windows fully patched.
Are you installing the latest version of jaws. I think It is the March
release I believe.

Thanks,abraham

On Apr 24, 2020, at 11:12 AM, Patrick Murphy
<murphy.patrick42@gmail.com>
wrote:

I did this, but no results.
I disabled both start at logon screen and start for this user always
in
jaws
2018.
I then set them for jaws 2020.
Only one should load.
However, i did notice one peculiar thing.
When i set either of them to "always start for this user", the option
changes for both versions. I cannot set 2018 to "never" and 2020 to
"always". No matter where i change it (20158 or 2020), it defaults to
the same thing in both versions. The only independant thing is "start
at the logon screen". This is different when set in both versions.


Sent from my gmail account.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick
Mladek
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 16:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

The problem may be as I had. Both versions, 18 and 20 are fighting to
load at same time. Go into whatever version you do not want to load
and correct this and be sure the version you want to load is properly
set. Then I do believe this will be better...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick
Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi,

I wasn't aware of this feature, but you could be right. Now that i
think
of
it, it started right after i installed the temporary authorization (90
days)
that i was given to try it out.
That could explain why 2018 works and 2020 doesn't. If it checks while
windows is loading, it could be a problem. When i stop and restart it,
it
is
fine, but then windows is fully up at that time.
Any way to disable/check/change this or something?

Pat


Sent from my gmail account.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann
Byrne
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 14:34
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

might that be the JAWS feature touted as new in either 2019 or 2020,
saying
that JAWS will speak before checking your authorization, so you don't
have to wait so long to hear that it is running. However, it doesn't
do
anything
till it makes internal checks and decides what context you are running
in.
So in my opinion it is a totally useless change which FS calls an
improvement.
At 07:59 AM 4/24/2020, you wrote:
Hi Mike,

I have tried all this, I tried to post a full message about
everything last night, but it was not approved. I think it was too big.
Regardless of what I do with jaws2020 (login screen etc), the first
time it starts up, there is no window to go to.
Insert+j brings you nowhere whether it is running from system tray or
not.
If you shut it down (insert+f4) and then restart it, everything is ok.
If you don't start it at the login screen, it still produces no window.
Pat


Sent from my gmail account.

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike B
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 13:37
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

It sounds like J2020 is set to start on the log-in screen. If you're
saying that there's no Jaws window when you, Alt + tab, you probably
have J2020 running from the system tray. To find the settings for
both these items press, Insert + J, to open the Jaws context menu,
press the letter, O, to open, Options, and press the letter, B, to
open,
Basic.
Now tab to Automatically start Jaws...
button and press the spacebar to find your Jaws start settings and
tab to Okay and press the spacebar when you're through in here. Now
tab 3 times or so to, Run Jaws from system tray, and uncheck this if
you want the Jaws window to be in the, Alt + Tab, order, then tab to
Okay and press enter to save / close.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
*My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when
I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:murphy.patrick42@gmail.com>Patrick Murphy
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 2:37 AM
Subject: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi,

I am new to this group, so i hope i am doing this right.
I have jaws2018 and 2020. 2018 works fine, but when 2020 starts,
there is no jaws window.
It seems to be starting before windows 10 has loaded.
I uninstalled and reinstalled it, but there was no change.

Any ideas?

Regards,

Pat


Sent from my gmail account.
moderated Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

Sean Murphy
 

Let me go into more depth.

Tabindex is the attribute which effects tab order. If this is set to 0, then
the way in which the page is loaded into the browser is the tab order. If a
positive value is used which is a WCAG 2.1 failure. Then the focus order
will change. If a button is activated and this shows new content. Depending
on how the developer has developed the page. The content could appear at the
bottom of the virtual buffer (been inserted at the end of the dom) or
inserted after the button. So the next item Jaws sees is the new content
which is correct behaviour. The page should never use a positive value to
achieve tab order as it breaks things very quickly.

The difference between simple and document mode for Jaws is if the link and
other elements are presented on their own lines or not. The default document
view you will have links and other elements on different lines when using
the down arrow. In document view, the link will be a part of the paragraph
text. The tab order is still the same.

A lot of web sites use a tabindex -1 to change the tab order of items
depending on what you have done on the page.

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Sunday, 26 April 2020 6:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

I don't think any of these settings effect tab order, Jaws gives this to the
browser no matter what -- they only effect navigating by arrow keys. Jaws
does not interfere with what the browser does with tab.

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 02:39:54 -0400,
Sean Murphy wrote:

[1 <text/plain; UTF-8 (quoted-printable)>] All,



If you are talking about moving between elements. It depends on how the
document object model has been built. The Document Object model is the way
in which the browser stores all the information you are reviewing. There is
the styling piece that comes into as well which is called the CSS. Not sure
if this would effect the tab order.



If you have to links on the same line, they should navigate from left to
right. Starting with the first link. This is of course assuming there is
nothing changing the tab order.



The document view will show you ho the page is structured on the page. For
example. If you have a line of text with a link in it. Jaws will read the
whole line and announces the link as part of it. In simple layout, the first
part of the line is spoken, then the link, then the remaining part of the
line.



I hope the above helps.



Sean





From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Sunday, 26 April 2020 1:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List



Hi Judy & Bill,



From what I've been told after learning more about Jaws is that when you,
Tab, you are going vertical on the page. This surprised me since I had been
pictureing tabbing as going horizontally across a page, like with the old
school typewriters. This comes from being pretty much self taught and
having a lot of questions like this and not having any real teaching about
computers or Jaws until I found the Jaws-Users group.



So, now let me ask, is the Documents Presentation feature supposed to
change the default Jaws navigation from vertical to horizontal when tabbing?
I don't have any sight at all so I can't tell.


Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
*My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I
pee it cleans the toilet.

----- Original Message -----

From: Judy <mailto:bunchkinbear@sbcglobal.net>

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 3:07 PM

Subject: Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List



Bill, I tried it both with google chrome and internet explorer and found
the same results as you did. We must be missing something. Judy & Libby



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 2:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List



Hi again, Judy. I just tried switching to Google Chrome, setting Document
Presentation to either Simple or Screen Layout, and I get the same
horizontal traversal with TAB, no matter how this setting is set. Either I'm
missing something about this setting, or it is not working properly.



Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com <mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 11:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List



What do you call it if you want to read the links vertically? I went to
the settings and thought I chose what I should with simple view and the
choice for vertical and saved it but things are still read horizontally.
What did I miss? Judy & Libby



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 1:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List



Original Message

From: Frank Ventura <mailto:frank.ventura@littlebreezes.com>

Hi all, there is a setting in JAWS that allows a person to read links on a
web page left to right as they are viewed by a sighted person, instead of
the normal up and down. It has been in for a few versions of JAWS. Can
anyone think of the name of that feature?

Thanks

Frank Ventura



From: Randy
PRESS JAWS KEY PLUS 6 THEN TYPE IN DOCUMENT PRESENTATION AND YOU WILL SEE
THE SETTING.
Randy



From: Norma A. Boge
Hi Frank,
I?m pretty sure it?s Document Presentation Mode. Apologies in advance if I
send you down the wrong path.

HTH

Norma



From: Mike B.

Document Presentation Mode is in the Settings Center

Document Presentation Mode is here, Web / HTML / PDFs / Navigation

Mike








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moderated cisco accessibility of their forum

Marvin Hunkin
 

Hi. Able to login into the cisco forums. But when I try to post, a topic, they have a stupid select a board link, then a mouse over tree view / combo box. So how to then select that with jaws, or nvda. Not able to post, keeps telling me to select a board to continue.

Any one come across this one and how to fix.

Not able to post a topic. Have tried jaws, nvda, windows narrator, tried chrome, edge, ie, firefox and the same or similar issues when I login. Have notified cisco, and the forums, see if they will fix this issue if not, how to get them to make this more accessible. One of the more serious or poor combo box issues with a form or a forum.

Marvin.

 
moderated Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

John Covici
 

I don't think any of these settings effect tab order, Jaws gives this
to the browser no matter what -- they only effect navigating by arrow
keys. Jaws does not interfere with what the browser does with tab.

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 02:39:54 -0400,
Sean Murphy wrote:

[1 <text/plain; UTF-8 (quoted-printable)>]
All,



If you are talking about moving between elements. It depends on how the document object model has been built. The Document Object model is the way in which the browser stores all the information you are reviewing. There is the styling piece that comes into as well which is called the CSS. Not sure if this would effect the tab order.



If you have to links on the same line, they should navigate from left to right. Starting with the first link. This is of course assuming there is nothing changing the tab order.



The document view will show you ho the page is structured on the page. For example. If you have a line of text with a link in it. Jaws will read the whole line and announces the link as part of it. In simple layout, the first part of the line is spoken, then the link, then the remaining part of the line.



I hope the above helps.



Sean





From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Sunday, 26 April 2020 1:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List



Hi Judy & Bill,



From what I've been told after learning more about Jaws is that when you, Tab, you are going vertical on the page. This surprised me since I had been pictureing tabbing as going horizontally across a page, like with the old school typewriters. This comes from being pretty much self taught and having a lot of questions like this and not having any real teaching about computers or Jaws until I found the Jaws-Users group.



So, now let me ask, is the Documents Presentation feature supposed to change the default Jaws navigation from vertical to horizontal when tabbing? I don't have any sight at all so I can't tell.


Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
*My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

----- Original Message -----

From: Judy <mailto:bunchkinbear@sbcglobal.net>

To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 3:07 PM

Subject: Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List



Bill, I tried it both with google chrome and internet explorer and found the same results as you did. We must be missing something. Judy & Libby



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 2:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List



Hi again, Judy. I just tried switching to Google Chrome, setting Document Presentation to either Simple or Screen Layout, and I get the same horizontal traversal with TAB, no matter how this setting is set. Either I'm missing something about this setting, or it is not working properly.



Bill White

billwhite92701@dslextreme.com <mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 11:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List



What do you call it if you want to read the links vertically? I went to the settings and thought I chose what I should with simple view and the choice for vertical and saved it but things are still read horizontally. What did I miss? Judy & Libby



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 1:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List



Original Message

From: Frank Ventura <mailto:frank.ventura@littlebreezes.com>

Hi all, there is a setting in JAWS that allows a person to read links on a web page left to right as they are viewed by a sighted person, instead of the normal up and down. It has been in for a few versions of JAWS. Can anyone think of the name of that feature?

Thanks

Frank Ventura



From: Randy
PRESS JAWS KEY PLUS 6 THEN TYPE IN DOCUMENT PRESENTATION AND YOU WILL SEE THE SETTING.
Randy



From: Norma A. Boge
Hi Frank,
I’m pretty sure it’s Document Presentation Mode. Apologies in advance if I send you down the wrong path.

HTH

Norma



From: Mike B.

Document Presentation Mode is in the Settings Center

Document Presentation Mode is here, Web / HTML / PDFs / Navigation

Mike








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moderated Re: Docusign

John Covici
 

OK, thanks, what do I click on to do that?

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 00:20:21 -0400,
Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

John,

Drawing your signature is just one option, you can also select from some preexisting styles in which case you just type your name and it makes it into a signature.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Docusign

I was never able to use docusign unassisted, it wanted me to draw the signature and in my case it did not have a screen reader mode anywhere I saw.

On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 01:13:37 -0400,
Zel Iscel wrote:

[1 <text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>] Docusign works very
well for me. You can download the document, read it and then sign each page that needs signing, but signatures are done via the internet. So, you can read your docs in Adobe Acrobat and then sign through your internet browser.
I use Docusign with Brave and Google Chrome and both work well with it.

Cheers
Zel


image001.jpg

Zel Iscel
Disability Specialist
Inclusive World
Mobile: 0413813885
Email: zel@inclusiveworld.com.au<mailto:zel@inclusiveworld.com.au>

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richele
Pennock
Sent: Saturday, 25 April 2020 2:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Docusign

Hello there,
We are looking at using Docusign. Does anyone have any experience to know if this is accessible with screen reader software? Thank you!




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moderated Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Patrick Murphy
 

Hi Dave,

Yes, i am on the last version of jaws 2018 which is all i am entitled to.
I did use the jaws import wizard to copy my shared settings.
I have a 90 day ilm key just to try out jaws 2020.
Jaws2020 and jaws2018 are now both authorized using the same 90 day key for
some reason.
With regards to settings etc, i uninstalled both, reinstalled both, removed
both again with all settings and shared components, reinstalled jaws2020,
but still the problem exists.
One peculiar thing though, i started up my computer yesterday from a
shutdown, and everything with jaws2020 worked fine.
I did the exact same thing just now, and the problem came back.
I am convinced at this stage, that it does have something to do with the new
"grace period" authorization function introduced in jaws 2019.
I think it is loading before it knows for certain whether or not you have a
valid key. Sometimes the check works, and sometimes it doesn't and jaws half
loads with no actual jaws window.
I also think, that it might have something to do with the ilm key, as this
is a very old type of authorization for a pc, as against the internet
activation method. However, i am not paying for an upgrade until i can get a
definite sort-out for this problem. As i said in another post, there is
always nvda, but i would rather stay with jaws.

Regards,

Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Saturday 25 April 2020 10:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hello Pat:

Question 1: With JAWS 18, are you on the last upgrade for your current SMA?
Which is why you are using the temporary license for JAWS 2020, so you can
try its new and upgraded features?

Question 2: did you use the JAWS function, which copies the settings you set

in JAWS 18 to JAWS 2020?

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Murphy" <murphy.patrick42@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.


Hi Sieghard,

Thanks for that. I am actually in Ireland, but i will try this and see
what
response i get.
Do you have their skype number?

Pat


Sent from my gmail account.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday 25 April 2020 05:01
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Patrick, are you in the UK? What number do you call? I can see how an
email
could take several days to receive a reply, but if you call their regular
US
number (if you are in the UK an duse Skype you can even call their toll
free
number) you should get somebody on the line right away.
The regular number is +1 727-803-8600.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi,

I too agree with bill.
I sent two emails about jaws 2020 not starting correctly, and got nothing
back but "thanks for your email".


Sent from my gmail account.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 18:52
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi, Merv. I don't understand, then, why they didn't get back to me the
other
day, when I put in my callback number.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Merv
Keck
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Vispero is not closed due to COVID-19. Everyone is working as usual. If
you
need technical, customer, or sales support call vispero as usual. Vispero
has not ever closed due to the virus. They are continuing to support their
customers as usual.
Merv


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 1:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi, Patrick. Even if JAWS starts before Windows starts, eventually you
should get to the desktop, as JAWS is made to start before many programs,
and after they load, JAWS still provides voicing, screen content and
navigation. If you wish, since Vispero is temporarily closed due to
COVID-19, you may give me a call at,

714-835-6295,
and I will stay on the phone with you to see what is happening.

I hope I may be able to help you.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Patrick
Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 8:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi,

Yes, latest version of windows 10 home edition with all necessary and
optional updates installed.
Checked yesterday, and there is no further updates needed.
Downloaded the latest version of jaws from freedom scientific and used it.
All apps in startup are turned off, apart from the necessary ones such as
the audio drivers etc that are actually necessary.
There is an application file for jaws set to "on". I set this to "off"
just
in case, but no difference.
Pat


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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Abraham
Sweiss
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 16:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Is windows fully patched.
Are you installing the latest version of jaws. I think It is the March
release I believe.

Thanks,abraham

On Apr 24, 2020, at 11:12 AM, Patrick Murphy
<murphy.patrick42@gmail.com>
wrote:

I did this, but no results.
I disabled both start at logon screen and start for this user always
in
jaws
2018.
I then set them for jaws 2020.
Only one should load.
However, i did notice one peculiar thing.
When i set either of them to "always start for this user", the option
changes for both versions. I cannot set 2018 to "never" and 2020 to
"always". No matter where i change it (20158 or 2020), it defaults to
the same thing in both versions. The only independant thing is "start
at the logon screen". This is different when set in both versions.


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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick
Mladek
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 16:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

The problem may be as I had. Both versions, 18 and 20 are fighting to
load at same time. Go into whatever version you do not want to load
and correct this and be sure the version you want to load is properly
set. Then I do believe this will be better...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick
Murphy
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi,

I wasn't aware of this feature, but you could be right. Now that i
think
of
it, it started right after i installed the temporary authorization (90
days)
that i was given to try it out.
That could explain why 2018 works and 2020 doesn't. If it checks while
windows is loading, it could be a problem. When i stop and restart it,
it
is
fine, but then windows is fully up at that time.
Any way to disable/check/change this or something?

Pat


Sent from my gmail account.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann
Byrne
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 14:34
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

might that be the JAWS feature touted as new in either 2019 or 2020,
saying
that JAWS will speak before checking your authorization, so you don't
have to wait so long to hear that it is running. However, it doesn't
do
anything
till it makes internal checks and decides what context you are running
in.
So in my opinion it is a totally useless change which FS calls an
improvement.
At 07:59 AM 4/24/2020, you wrote:
Hi Mike,

I have tried all this, I tried to post a full message about
everything last night, but it was not approved. I think it was too big.
Regardless of what I do with jaws2020 (login screen etc), the first
time it starts up, there is no window to go to.
Insert+j brings you nowhere whether it is running from system tray or
not.
If you shut it down (insert+f4) and then restart it, everything is ok.
If you don't start it at the login screen, it still produces no window.
Pat


Sent from my gmail account.

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike B
Sent: Friday 24 April 2020 13:37
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

It sounds like J2020 is set to start on the log-in screen. If you're
saying that there's no Jaws window when you, Alt + tab, you probably
have J2020 running from the system tray. To find the settings for
both these items press, Insert + J, to open the Jaws context menu,
press the letter, O, to open, Options, and press the letter, B, to
open,
Basic.
Now tab to Automatically start Jaws...
button and press the spacebar to find your Jaws start settings and
tab to Okay and press the spacebar when you're through in here. Now
tab 3 times or so to, Run Jaws from system tray, and uncheck this if
you want the Jaws window to be in the, Alt + Tab, order, then tab to
Okay and press enter to save / close.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
*My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when
I pee it cleans the toilet.
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:murphy.patrick42@gmail.com>Patrick Murphy
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 2:37 AM
Subject: jaws 2020 not starting correctly.

Hi,

I am new to this group, so i hope i am doing this right.
I have jaws2018 and 2020. 2018 works fine, but when 2020 starts,
there is no jaws window.
It seems to be starting before windows 10 has loaded.
I uninstalled and reinstalled it, but there was no change.

Any ideas?

Regards,

Pat


Sent from my gmail account.
moderated Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

Sean Murphy
 

All,

 

If you are talking about moving between elements. It depends on how the document object model has been built. The Document Object model is the way in which the browser stores all the information you are reviewing. There is the styling piece that comes into as well which is called the CSS. Not sure if this would effect the tab order.

 

If you have to links on the same line, they should navigate from left to right. Starting with the first link. This is of course assuming there is nothing changing the tab order.

 

The document view will show you ho the page is structured on the page. For example. If you have a line of text with a link in it. Jaws will read the whole line and announces the link as part of it. In simple layout, the first part of the line is spoken, then the link, then the remaining part of the line.

 

I hope the above helps.

 

Sean

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Sunday, 26 April 2020 1:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

 

Hi Judy & Bill,

 

From what I've been told after learning more about Jaws is that when you, Tab, you are going vertical on the page.  This surprised me since I had been pictureing tabbing as going horizontally across a page, like with the old school typewriters.  This comes from being pretty much self taught and having a lot of questions like this and not having any real teaching about computers or Jaws until I found the Jaws-Users group.

 

So, now let me ask, is the Documents Presentation feature supposed to change the default Jaws navigation from vertical to horizontal when tabbing?  I don't have any sight at all so I can't tell.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

----- Original Message -----

From: Judy

Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 3:07 PM

Subject: Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

 

Bill, I tried it both with google chrome and internet explorer and found the same results as you did. We must be missing something. Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 2:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

 

Hi again, Judy. I just tried switching to Google Chrome, setting Document Presentation to either Simple or Screen Layout, and I get the same horizontal traversal with TAB, no matter how this setting is set. Either I'm missing something about this setting, or it is not working properly.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 11:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

 

What do you call it if you want to read the links vertically? I went to the settings and thought I chose what I should with simple view and the choice for vertical and saved it but things are still read horizontally. What did I miss? Judy & Libby

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 1:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Links, Feature To Read Links Across Verses In a List

 

 Original Message 

Hi all, there is a setting in JAWS that allows a person to read links on a web page left to right as they are viewed by a sighted person, instead of the normal up and down. It has been in for a few versions of JAWS. Can anyone think of the name of that feature?

Thanks

Frank Ventura

 

From: Randy
PRESS JAWS KEY PLUS 6 THEN TYPE IN DOCUMENT PRESENTATION  AND YOU WILL SEE THE SETTING.
Randy

 

From: Norma A. Boge
Hi Frank,
I’m pretty sure it’s Document Presentation Mode. Apologies in advance if I send you down the wrong path.

HTH

Norma

 

From: Mike B.

Document Presentation Mode is in the Settings Center

Document Presentation Mode is here, Web / HTML / PDFs / Navigation

Mike

 
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