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moderated Re: Research It Quit?

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

The first time you use Research It with Insert+spacebar then r, it will say that a feature needs to be installed. Hit yes to install.
Once tha tis done, when you press Insert+spacebar, then r, you will be in an edit field.
If you tab once, you will be in the list of sources available.
Arrow down to the one you want, and then shift+tab back and type your search term, or of course, type your search term, then tab into the list and pick the one you want.
Apparently, in the settings, you can set one of them as the primary, but I have not explored that.



Richard
"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

*I’m not the card shark

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ashleigh Piccinino
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 12:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Research It Quit?

I just tried This, and here’s what you need to do. According to JAWS speech history on "research it", You need to install something. However, the history doesn't say what Yet, after you install the program/application, "research it" should work as normal ... Mine does.
Hope this helps,
Ashleigh P
On Nov 22, 2020, at 6:00 PM, George Gray <blindtraveler2@gmail.com> wrote:

Hola!

Is anyone else finding their Research It isn't functioning over the
past few days?

It so happens that when I received notice that JAWS 2021 was now
available for download and that my SMAes had run out, so I needed to
pay again and upon my deciding to wait until after the New Year's to
do so my Research It function has failed. Is this due to my not
renewing, or to something else entirely different?

Gracias!

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HAVE A MAGNIFICENT DAY

GEORGE BURRELL GRAY

Los Cerros
Sosua
REPUBLICA DOMINICANA





moderated Re: Outlook Braille - was APH Mantis not displaying Braile in Outlook

John Gurd
 

That was very helpful, thanks: - pressing Insert+Space and Z fixed it, so Braille in Outlook works in the original settings mode. So I assume I need to reset JFW 2021 back to factory settings so I can start again. How would I do this?

Thank you

John

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shai
Sent: 20 November 2020 00:12
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Outlook Braille - was APH Mantis not displaying Braile in Outlook

Hello John,
I am using the Outlook app Office365 version installed on my computer with JAWS2021 and it is working just fine using Focus40 braille display fifth generation. I also tried it on my work computer and same result.
At this point, I think that there may be an issue with your locally installed copy of JAWS. Another way to test this is by first exiting Outlook pressing insert space followed by z this will place you in the JAWS default directory similar to how JAWS came from the factory. See if Outlook is still causing an issue with your braille display once you place JAWS in this mode this is a toggle so pressing insert space z will take you back to how JAWS had been configured before.

On 11/19/20, John Gurd via groups.io <j.gurd=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:
Actually it's working in the other apps I've tried including word -
just not Outlook. And in fact it's not just my Mantis, it's my Focus
40. So it appears it might be something to do with settings. I've
checked Structured mode is on and Braille Sleep is not enabled. It's
the same in Bluetooth and in the USB connection. I've loaded the
Outlook specific settings with Insert
6 and all looks okay as far as I can tell.



John





From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Mote
Sent: 19 November 2020 22:31
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: APH Mantis not displaying Braile in Outlook



Hi all. Just an observation. Have you verified that your Mantice is
being seen by the PC. Usually, when you install a braille display, you
can see the info in your device manager. Have you checked there? Also,
I'm wondering if the Narrator braille is blocking your access to
braille. If braille is installed there, it may be interfering with
JAWS and any other screen reader for that matter.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of John
Gurd via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 5:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: APH Mantis not displaying Braile in Outlook



Thanks Debbie,

I've checked, and I am in Structured Mode. I merged my settings from
earlier and I've checked. I'm using the USB connection. I'll try
Bluetooth on the off-chance, although I doubt it will make a
difference. This really is very strange.



John





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Debby
Hill
Sent: 19 November 2020 19:57
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: APH Mantis not displaying Braile in Outlook



Hi John,



Did you export your settings from JAWS 2020 to JAWS 2021? If not then
it could still be the structured mode issue. The reason I say this is
because I am typing this on my Mantis by using a Bluetooth connection
to my pc, JAWS 2021, and Outlook 2016 and all is working just fine.



Good luck!



Debby



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of John
Gurd via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 2:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: APH Mantis not displaying Braile in Outlook



Actually, I just tried my Focus 40, 4th gen, and it's doing the same thing.
I'm using Office 365. But when I load JFW 2020 it works perfectly. So
it is an issue connected with JFW 2021. I've just made certain the
Braille Sleep mode is not enabled for Outlook, and it is not.



John





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Debby
Hill
Sent: 19 November 2020 19:27
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: APH Mantis not displaying Braile in Outlook



Hi John,



This sounds very strange. Just a couple of questions. How are you
connected to the PC, via usb or Bluetooth? Which version of office are
you using? In outlook do you have JAWS speech? What happens on the
Mantis display in Outlook-do you see the cursor blinking?



I just had a thought, are you in JAWS braille structured mode for Outlook?
That's one setting that I have missed in the past when setting up a
braille display. Outlook doesn't work well without it.



Good Luck! Take care and stay safe!



Debby

From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of John
Gurd via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 1:39 PM
To: jfw World List <jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io> >
Subject: APH Mantis not displaying Braile in Outlook



I've just connected an APH Mantis to my PC and it seems to work fine,
except when in Outlook where thee Braille display stops working. It
works fine in Word and Windows. I'm running JFW 2021 on Windows 10
version 2004.



There's no Braille as I write this and none anywhere else in Outlook.
If I Alt-Tab into Edge it starts working. Does anyone have a possible
explanation or are any other Mantis users experiencing this?



John









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(619)894-6587
Providing training to children and adults that empowers them to be productive and successful with their assistive technology/computing tasks.
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moderated Re: My documents have mysteriously inverted

Shirley Tracy
 

Thanks Richard. Until you and Ann responded, I didn’t know that. Sometimes I tune out information when I don’t have the need to use it—then suddenly I do need it. I may have accidentally pressed “names” at some point by mistake.

 

Thanks again.

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 11:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My documents have mysteriously inverted

 

A further note on how this happens; if you press control+o to open a document and shift+tab to get to your files, the first button you land on is Name…. If you accidentally press space or enter on that button, you will reverse the order of the files.

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 7:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My documents have mysteriously inverted

 

After pressing shift+f10, find sort by and right arrow.

You’ll find the following so you want to down arrow to ascending and press the spacebar.

:

Context Menu‑
S
View sub menu‑
v
Sort by sub menu‑
o
Name checked‑
n
Status
s
Date modified
D
Type
t
Size
s
Ascending checked‑
a
Descending
d
More...
m

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Cole via groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 7:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My documents have mysteriously inverted

 

Hi,

Go to the documents folder.

If a file is selected, press ctrl+Spacebar to deselect it.

Now press Shift+F10 to open the context menu.

Choose how you want to sort the files. 

Thanks,

Rob

 

On Nov 23, 2020, at 10:16 AM, Shirley Tracy <shirleytracy16@...> wrote:

 

Good morning:

 

I don’t know how this happened, but please help! I can’t get my list of folders and documents to turn back to listing from A-Z instead of Z-A. I know how to fix the desktop when that happens, but not file explorer.

 

Everything was fine last night when I shut down. Today, poof! They’re in reverse alphabetic order.

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Shirley Tracy

 

 

 


moderated Re: My documents have mysteriously inverted

Shirley Tracy
 

Thanks Ann. Easy trick. I got it straight again.

 

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 11:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My documents have mysteriously inverted

 

An easy way is when you are in the list of

documents, tab once.  It will say 'name, split

button'.  Press enter and the docs will turn

themselves right-side-up again.  Do it a second

time and the list will flip over the other way.

At 09:16 AM 11/23/2020, you wrote:

 

>Good morning:

>I don’t know how this happened, but please

>help! I can’t get my list of folders and

>documents to turn back to listing from A-Z

>instead of Z-A. I know how to fix the desktop

>when that happens, but not file explorer.

>Everything was fine last night when I shut down.

>Today, poof! They’re in reverse alphabetic order.

>Thanks for any help.

>Shirley Tracy

 

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: links on web pages

Don H
 

With default settings the sound goes away my sound skeem is classic.

On 11/23/2020 1:51 PM, Mike B wrote:

Don,
Try running Jaws with the default settings and see if the links still play sounds on each link.  Steps below.  Also chec which scheme that's running with each browser.  To check what sound scheme is running press, Insert, Alt + S, to open the schemes list.
This will help with narrowing down where the problem might be.
Hold down the, Insert key, then press the, spacebar, to activate the layered keystroke feature then press the letter, Z.  This will temporarily bypass
your settings and put Jaws into it's factory default settings mode. This keystroke is a toggle so, press the key combination sequence again to go back
to your personal settings.
Temporary bypass using current User Settings and use JAWS factory default = Z.
Stay safe and take care. Mike.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Don H <mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 11:04 AM
*Subject:* Re: links on web pages
Happens both the latest versions of Google Chrome and Ms fEdge.  Happens
on all web sites when arrowing down a page.  But if you want one example
go to and use the arrow keys
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/d8a330c2daa945fca0c8eedeb6e1c409 <https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/d8a330c2daa945fca0c8eedeb6e1c409>
On 11/23/2020 12:59 PM, Mike B wrote:
> 
> Don,
> What browser are you running? I think I have an idea of what's
> happening but, I want to make sure we're on the same page. Also, what's
> the website?
>
> Stay safe and take care. Mike.
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Don H <mailto:lmddh50@adams.net <mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>>
> *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>>
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 9:06 AM
> *Subject:* Re: links on web pages
>
> I unchecked both Play jaws sounds
> and enable sound notifications and I still get the sound when landing on
> a web page link.
>
>
> On 11/23/2020 10:23 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
>  > Press insert+6 on the number row to open the settings center while on
> a web page for that browser's settings, or press control+shift+d for the
> default settings.
>  > Type sound in the search box and arrow down. You should hear:
>  > 1 of 9 Search Results
>  > There are options that have to do with forms mode sounds that you can
> deselect, or select different sounds....
>  >
>  > Richard
>  > "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject
> of flying.
>  > There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack
> lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
>  > --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
>  >
>  > Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
<http://www.turner42.com> <http://www.turner42.com <http://www.turner42.com>>
> >
>  > *I’m not the card shark
>  >
> > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>>
> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>>> On Behalf Of Don H
>  > Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 7:59 AM
>  > To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>>
> > Subject: links on web pages
>  >
>  > I am running Jaws 2021 on a win 10 system. I have forms mode set to
> manual. When I arrow down a web page Jaws makes a sound when I land on
> a link and other controls. Is there a way to stop this?
> >
>  >
>  >
>  >
> >
>  >
>  >
>  >
> >
>  >
>  >
>
>
>
>
>
>


moderated Re: links on web pages

Mike B.
 


Don,
 
Try running Jaws with the default settings and see if the links still play sounds on each link.  Steps below.  Also chec which scheme that's running with each browser.  To check what sound scheme is running press, Insert, Alt + S, to open the schemes list.
 
This will help with narrowing down where the problem might be.
 
Hold down the, Insert key, then press the, spacebar, to activate the layered keystroke feature then press the letter, Z.  This will temporarily bypass
your settings and put Jaws into it's factory default settings mode.  This keystroke is a toggle so, press the key combination sequence again to go back
to your personal settings.
 
 

 
Temporary bypass using current User Settings and use JAWS factory default = Z.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: links on web pages

Happens both the latest versions of Google Chrome and Ms fEdge.  Happens
on all web sites when arrowing down a page.  But if you want one example
go to and use the arrow keys
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/d8a330c2daa945fca0c8eedeb6e1c409

On 11/23/2020 12:59 PM, Mike B wrote:
> 
> Don,
> What browser are you running? I think I have an idea of what's
> happening but, I want to make sure we're on the same page. Also, what's
> the website?
>
> Stay safe and take care. Mike.
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Don H <mailto:lmddh50@...>
> *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 9:06 AM
> *Subject:* Re: links on web pages
>
> I unchecked both Play jaws sounds
> and enable sound notifications and I still get the sound when landing on
> a web page link.
>
>
> On 11/23/2020 10:23 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
>  > Press insert+6 on the number row to open the settings center while on
> a web page for that browser's settings, or press control+shift+d for the
> default settings.
>  > Type sound in the search box and arrow down. You should hear:
>  > 1 of 9 Search Results
>  > There are options that have to do with forms mode sounds that you can
> deselect, or select different sounds....
>  >
>  > Richard
>  > "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject
> of flying.
>  > There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack
> lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
>  > --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
>  >
>  > Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com <http://www.turner42.com>
>  >
>  > *I’m not the card shark
>  >
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Don H
>  > Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 7:59 AM
>  > To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
>  > Subject: links on web pages
>  >
>  > I am running Jaws 2021 on a win 10 system. I have forms mode set to
> manual. When I arrow down a web page Jaws makes a sound when I land on
> a link and other controls. Is there a way to stop this?
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>
>
>
>
>
>






moderated Re: links on web pages

Don H
 

Happens both the latest versions of Google Chrome and Ms fEdge. Happens on all web sites when arrowing down a page. But if you want one example go to and use the arrow keys
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/d8a330c2daa945fca0c8eedeb6e1c409

On 11/23/2020 12:59 PM, Mike B wrote:

Don,
What browser are you running?  I think I have an idea of what's happening but, I want to make sure we're on the same page.  Also, what's the website?
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Don H <mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 9:06 AM
*Subject:* Re: links on web pages
I unchecked both Play jaws sounds
and enable sound notifications and I still get the sound when landing on
a web page link.
On 11/23/2020 10:23 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
> Press insert+6 on the number row to open the settings center while on
a web page for that browser's settings, or press control+shift+d for the default settings.
> Type sound in the search box and arrow down. You should hear:
> 1 of 9 Search Results
> There are options that have to do with forms mode sounds that you can
deselect, or select different sounds....
>
> Richard
> "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject
of flying.
> There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack
lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
> --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
>
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com <http://www.turner42.com>
>
> *I’m not the card shark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Don H
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 7:59 AM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
> Subject: links on web pages
>
> I am running Jaws 2021 on a win 10 system.  I have forms mode set to
manual.  When I arrow down a web page Jaws makes a sound when I land on a link and other controls.  Is there a way to stop this?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


moderated Re: links on web pages

Mike B.
 


Don,
 
What browser are you running?  I think I have an idea of what's happening but, I want to make sure we're on the same page.  Also, what's the website?

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: links on web pages

I unchecked both Play jaws sounds
and enable sound notifications and I still get the sound when landing on
a web page link.


On 11/23/2020 10:23 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
> Press insert+6 on the number row to open the settings center while on a web page for that browser's settings, or press control+shift+d for the default settings.
> Type sound in the search box and arrow down. You should hear:
> 1 of 9 Search Results
> There are options that have to do with forms mode sounds that you can deselect, or select different sounds....
>
> Richard
> "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.
> There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
> --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
>
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
>
> *I’m not the card shark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 7:59 AM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: links on web pages
>
> I am running Jaws 2021 on a win 10 system.  I have forms mode set to manual.  When I arrow down a web page Jaws makes a sound when I land on a link and other controls.  Is there a way to stop this?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>






moderated Re: links on web pages

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Well, that is strange.
Have you talked with Freedom Scientific about this?
I find nothing in the settings that would account for this behavior.
Best of luck,


Richard
"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

*I’m not the card shark

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 9:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: links on web pages

I unchecked both Play jaws sounds
and enable sound notifications and I still get the sound when landing on
a web page link.


On 11/23/2020 10:23 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
Press insert+6 on the number row to open the settings center while on a web page for that browser's settings, or press control+shift+d for the default settings.
Type sound in the search box and arrow down. You should hear:
1 of 9 Search Results
There are options that have to do with forms mode sounds that you can deselect, or select different sounds....

Richard
"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

Check out my web site at:
https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.t
urner42.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C595e653af80d420d718108d88fd21a06%
7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637417479823537448%7CUnkn
own%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwi
LCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=S4vM0eXGyB2nPhOixbmAtcwrjkgjYNwK%2F%2F
7bBixfL9E%3D&amp;reserved=0

*I’m not the card shark

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 7:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: links on web pages

I am running Jaws 2021 on a win 10 system. I have forms mode set to manual. When I arrow down a web page Jaws makes a sound when I land on a link and other controls. Is there a way to stop this?











moderated Re: links on web pages

Don H
 

I unchecked both Play jaws sounds
and enable sound notifications and I still get the sound when landing on a web page link.

On 11/23/2020 10:23 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
Press insert+6 on the number row to open the settings center while on a web page for that browser's settings, or press control+shift+d for the default settings.
Type sound in the search box and arrow down. You should hear:
1 of 9 Search Results
There are options that have to do with forms mode sounds that you can deselect, or select different sounds....
Richard
"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 7:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: links on web pages
I am running Jaws 2021 on a win 10 system. I have forms mode set to manual. When I arrow down a web page Jaws makes a sound when I land on a link and other controls. Is there a way to stop this?


moderated Re: My documents have mysteriously inverted

Ann Byrne
 

An easy way is when you are in the list of documents, tab once. It will say 'name, split button'. Press enter and the docs will turn themselves right-side-up again. Do it a second time and the list will flip over the other way.

At 09:16 AM 11/23/2020, you wrote:

Good morning:



I don’t know how this happened, but please help! I can’t get my list of folders and documents to turn back to listing from A-Z instead of Z-A. I know how to fix the desktop when that happens, but not file explorer.

Â

Everything was fine last night when I shut down. Today, poof! They’re in reverse alphabetic order.



Thanks for any help.



Shirley Tracy



moderated Re: Additional info for my previous inquiry

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

You are probably right, that extra verbiage is annoying, but Jaws does say what you want after the unnecessary chatter about alert messages and chats …if you keep listening.

 

 

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Norma A. Boge
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 8:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Additional info for my previous inquiry

 

I’m expecting to hear Jaws telling me what element I am focused on.

And I am confident this is a problem with Jaws, not normal behavior.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 8:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Additional info for my previous inquiry

 

What are you expecting to hear with insert+tab?

The Jaws help says that command “JAWSKey+Tab Says the current window and the associated prompt label.”

 

I’m guessing that is the associated prompt.

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Norma A. Boge
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 3:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Additional info for my previous inquiry

 

The Jaws message is being spoken every time I use Insert + tab to check where I’m at. Thanks.

 


moderated Re: Additional info for my previous inquiry

Norma A. Boge
 

I’m expecting to hear Jaws telling me what element I am focused on.

And I am confident this is a problem with Jaws, not normal behavior.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 8:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Additional info for my previous inquiry

 

What are you expecting to hear with insert+tab?

The Jaws help says that command “JAWSKey+Tab Says the current window and the associated prompt label.”

 

I’m guessing that is the associated prompt.

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Norma A. Boge
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 3:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Additional info for my previous inquiry

 

The Jaws message is being spoken every time I use Insert + tab to check where I’m at. Thanks.

 


moderated Re: Jaws too verbose with Zoom

Norma A. Boge
 

I’ve changed berbosity settings. I am confident this is a problem with Jaws.  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ashleigh Piccinino
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2020 12:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws too verbose with Zoom

 

Did you try going into the verbosity settings for JAWS? That might help, but I'm not sure otherwise

Ashleigh Piccinino



On Nov 21, 2020, at 5:18 PM, Norma A. Boge <naboge@...> wrote:



Hi group,

 

I’m using Jaws 2020.2008.24 on my Win 10 PC. There are times, When tabbing around in Zoom, Jaws says “Alerts Enabled.
Chat Messages captured only”

before identifying what is currently in focus.

This has been happening since I began using Zoom in April. Would someone please let me know what I need to do to get rid of this message.

  

Thanks,

Norma

 


moderated Re: My documents have mysteriously inverted

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

A further note on how this happens; if you press control+o to open a document and shift+tab to get to your files, the first button you land on is Name…. If you accidentally press space or enter on that button, you will reverse the order of the files.

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 7:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My documents have mysteriously inverted

 

After pressing shift+f10, find sort by and right arrow.

You’ll find the following so you want to down arrow to ascending and press the spacebar.

:

Context Menu‑
S
View sub menu‑
v
Sort by sub menu‑
o
Name checked‑
n
Status
s
Date modified
D
Type
t
Size
s
Ascending checked‑
a
Descending
d
More...
m

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Cole via groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 7:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My documents have mysteriously inverted

 

Hi,

Go to the documents folder.

If a file is selected, press ctrl+Spacebar to deselect it.

Now press Shift+F10 to open the context menu.

Choose how you want to sort the files. 

Thanks,

Rob

 

On Nov 23, 2020, at 10:16 AM, Shirley Tracy <shirleytracy16@...> wrote:

 

Good morning:

 

I don’t know how this happened, but please help! I can’t get my list of folders and documents to turn back to listing from A-Z instead of Z-A. I know how to fix the desktop when that happens, but not file explorer.

 

Everything was fine last night when I shut down. Today, poof! They’re in reverse alphabetic order.

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Shirley Tracy

 

 


moderated Re: links on web pages

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Press insert+6 on the number row to open the settings center while on a web page for that browser's settings, or press control+shift+d for the default settings.
Type sound in the search box and arrow down. You should hear:
1 of 9 Search Results
There are options that have to do with forms mode sounds that you can deselect, or select different sounds....

Richard
"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

*I’m not the card shark

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 7:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: links on web pages

I am running Jaws 2021 on a win 10 system. I have forms mode set to manual. When I arrow down a web page Jaws makes a sound when I land on a link and other controls. Is there a way to stop this?


moderated Re: Forms mode: your preferences

Van Lant, Robin
 

Like Mario, I have typically had mine on Manual for the same reasons. So many sites have search boxes and newsletter sign-up boxes and such and I want to just breeze by them without Forms mode triggering as I'm exploring. It's good every once in a while to change a setting, though, and see if my opinion on it has changed.



.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 10:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Forms mode: your preferences

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I have forms mode set to manual. it is just as easy to type e to navigate to an edit field and see if it's the one that's needed. I don't like the automatic setting for forms mode especially when just reviewing what's on a web page. semi automatic is ok but I still prefer manual.


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From: Mark [mailto:mweiler@alumni.sfu.ca]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Friday, November 20, 2020, 8:57 PM
Subject: Forms mode: your preferences
When it comes to forms mode, what are your preferences for settings:
manual, automatic, semi-automatic? And any particular reasons for your preference? Mine is set to automatic but I'm now wondering if there might be something better. I'd like to hear others have to say, while I experiment.







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moderated links on web pages

Don H
 

I am running Jaws 2021 on a win 10 system. I have forms mode set to manual. When I arrow down a web page Jaws makes a sound when I land on a link and other controls. Is there a way to stop this?


moderated Re: My documents have mysteriously inverted

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

After pressing shift+f10, find sort by and right arrow.

You’ll find the following so you want to down arrow to ascending and press the spacebar.

:

Context Menu‑
S
View sub menu‑
v
Sort by sub menu‑
o
Name checked‑
n
Status
s
Date modified
D
Type
t
Size
s
Ascending checked‑
a
Descending
d
More...
m

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Cole via groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 7:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My documents have mysteriously inverted

 

Hi,

Go to the documents folder.

If a file is selected, press ctrl+Spacebar to deselect it.

Now press Shift+F10 to open the context menu.

Choose how you want to sort the files. 

Thanks,

Rob



On Nov 23, 2020, at 10:16 AM, Shirley Tracy <shirleytracy16@...> wrote:

 

Good morning:

 

I don’t know how this happened, but please help! I can’t get my list of folders and documents to turn back to listing from A-Z instead of Z-A. I know how to fix the desktop when that happens, but not file explorer.

 

Everything was fine last night when I shut down. Today, poof! They’re in reverse alphabetic order.

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Shirley Tracy

 

 


moderated Re: excel with jaws

Chris Hill
 

Weird.  I've never had anything untoward happen with using the control key for silence in excel.  Navigation seems quite fast for me in excel, you may be suffering from an old computer.



On 11/23/2020 09:20, romance's prince via groups.io wrote:

hello dears
 
is any solution for excel conflict with screen reader CTRL shortcut ;
we usually use CTRL alone or with another keys to perform a function
many times I got data formatting toolbar pup up or in charts it shows chart toolbar
instead of do the needed function.
  is anyway to disable CTRL shortcut for showing toolbar?
 I'm using excel 2016.
 
another point, more than friend of mine noticed ms-excel (all versions) navigation slow with jaws 2019 and above on windows10, any solution for this matter?
 
   many thanks
 

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