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Re: Question about accessible screen sharing, being able to see whatothers share

Chris Hill
 

I am sure what is sent out is a picture of what is on there screen.  There would be no reason to send control information and text when a picture of it would be simpler.  No screen reader is going to be able to read it.




On 8/2/2020 18:50, Michael Walker wrote:
Hi Chris, what my coworkers are screen sharing is whatever is on their screen, such as what is being displayed in visual studio as they drive. It might be a video, as they screen share themselves programming in visual studios.

On Aug 2, 2020, at 6:34 PM, Chris Hill <hillco@...> wrote:



I doubt it.  The thing being shared is likely an image, and it would have to be ocr'ed and it wouldn't turn out well at all.



On 8/2/2020 18:09, Michael Walker wrote:
Hi John,

What I mean is that I work with people who can see. They run conferences where they share their screens. I wondered if there is a way I can see what they are sharing on their screens.

Thank you,
Mike

On Aug 2, 2020, at 5:33 PM, Jon Nixey <jon.ofhs5790@...> wrote:



Hi Michael,

 

I’m not quite sure what you mean, but I use Zoom frequently and share screens with other blind Zoom users.

Obviously, as the other users are also totally blind, then they can’t actually see what is displayed on the screen, but they can definitely hear any audio soundtrack of what I’m sharing.

Not sure if that helps or not?

 

Kind regards, Jon

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Michael Walker
Sent: 02 August 2020 18:34
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Question about accessible screen sharing, being able to see whatothers share

 

Hi, is it possible when using zoom or WebEx to set it up to where I can see what people are sharing through screen sharing as a jaws user? Thanks.

 

 

Re: can you set up a Gmail account on the same computer this a pop3 account too?

Bill White
 

Hi, Jim. I have a gmail account, and it is just another domain with email addresses. I tend to want to use my Internet Service Provider's email address, because, if anything goes wrong, I am paying for their service, and they will help me resolve problems. With a free gmail account, this is not true, and if something goes wrong, there is no one to call to help with a problem. There are lots of forums to which you can turn, and lots of information on Google.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 12:58 PM
To: blindtech@groups.io
Subject: can you set up a Gmail account on the same computer this a pop3 account too?

 

Hi all, for some reason outlook 2016 is acting weird today. All my mail that is supposed to be in my in box is in my deleted folder. Anyway, I have friends tell mee that a  Gmail account  is better. I supposed that is a matter of opinion, but I thought I would have both if possible. I am running outlook 2016, and jaws 2020, on a windows ten computer. Thanks for your help. Jim

Re: Question about accessible screen sharing, being able to see whatothers share

Abraham Sweiss
 

You are out of luck. I am not aware of any screen readers that can handle the videos that come across when using zoom or WebEx.

Thanks,abraham 

On Aug 2, 2020, at 7:50 PM, Michael Walker <michael.walker199014@...> wrote:


Hi Chris, what my coworkers are screen sharing is whatever is on their screen, such as what is being displayed in visual studio as they drive. It might be a video, as they screen share themselves programming in visual studios.

On Aug 2, 2020, at 6:34 PM, Chris Hill <hillco@...> wrote:



I doubt it.  The thing being shared is likely an image, and it would have to be ocr'ed and it wouldn't turn out well at all.



On 8/2/2020 18:09, Michael Walker wrote:
Hi John,

What I mean is that I work with people who can see. They run conferences where they share their screens. I wondered if there is a way I can see what they are sharing on their screens.

Thank you,
Mike

On Aug 2, 2020, at 5:33 PM, Jon Nixey <jon.ofhs5790@...> wrote:



Hi Michael,

 

I’m not quite sure what you mean, but I use Zoom frequently and share screens with other blind Zoom users.

Obviously, as the other users are also totally blind, then they can’t actually see what is displayed on the screen, but they can definitely hear any audio soundtrack of what I’m sharing.

Not sure if that helps or not?

 

Kind regards, Jon

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Michael Walker
Sent: 02 August 2020 18:34
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Question about accessible screen sharing, being able to see whatothers share

 

Hi, is it possible when using zoom or WebEx to set it up to where I can see what people are sharing through screen sharing as a jaws user? Thanks.

 

 

Re: JAWS freezes when I close Word

David Goldfield
 

For the record disabling UIA did not fix this issue for me, either.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 8/2/2020 6:11 PM, Rick Mladek wrote:

I am using Windows 10 latest update and Jaws 2019. The Office suite is 2019 single version, not 360. Happens when apps close, such as Windows, Excel and other apps as paint, etc.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 4:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS freezes when I close Word

 

Yes, this is same issue I believe.  JAWS either goes silent or crashes and restarts but takes up to 30 seconds.  This is with latest Windows 10 and JAWS installed.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 4:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS freezes when I close Word

 

Of late I’ve been having the same problem in outlook.  No sound at all, almost as if the computer is turned off. 

Re: Question about accessible screen sharing, being able to see whatothers share

Michael Walker
 

Hi Chris, what my coworkers are screen sharing is whatever is on their screen, such as what is being displayed in visual studio as they drive. It might be a video, as they screen share themselves programming in visual studios.

On Aug 2, 2020, at 6:34 PM, Chris Hill <hillco@...> wrote:



I doubt it.  The thing being shared is likely an image, and it would have to be ocr'ed and it wouldn't turn out well at all.



On 8/2/2020 18:09, Michael Walker wrote:
Hi John,

What I mean is that I work with people who can see. They run conferences where they share their screens. I wondered if there is a way I can see what they are sharing on their screens.

Thank you,
Mike

On Aug 2, 2020, at 5:33 PM, Jon Nixey <jon.ofhs5790@...> wrote:



Hi Michael,

 

I’m not quite sure what you mean, but I use Zoom frequently and share screens with other blind Zoom users.

Obviously, as the other users are also totally blind, then they can’t actually see what is displayed on the screen, but they can definitely hear any audio soundtrack of what I’m sharing.

Not sure if that helps or not?

 

Kind regards, Jon

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Michael Walker
Sent: 02 August 2020 18:34
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Question about accessible screen sharing, being able to see whatothers share

 

Hi, is it possible when using zoom or WebEx to set it up to where I can see what people are sharing through screen sharing as a jaws user? Thanks.

 

 

Re: Question about accessible screen sharing, being able to see whatothers share

Chris Hill
 

I doubt it.  The thing being shared is likely an image, and it would have to be ocr'ed and it wouldn't turn out well at all.



On 8/2/2020 18:09, Michael Walker wrote:
Hi John,

What I mean is that I work with people who can see. They run conferences where they share their screens. I wondered if there is a way I can see what they are sharing on their screens.

Thank you,
Mike

On Aug 2, 2020, at 5:33 PM, Jon Nixey <jon.ofhs5790@...> wrote:



Hi Michael,

 

I’m not quite sure what you mean, but I use Zoom frequently and share screens with other blind Zoom users.

Obviously, as the other users are also totally blind, then they can’t actually see what is displayed on the screen, but they can definitely hear any audio soundtrack of what I’m sharing.

Not sure if that helps or not?

 

Kind regards, Jon

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Michael Walker
Sent: 02 August 2020 18:34
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Question about accessible screen sharing, being able to see whatothers share

 

Hi, is it possible when using zoom or WebEx to set it up to where I can see what people are sharing through screen sharing as a jaws user? Thanks.

 

 

Re: Question about accessible screen sharing, being able to see whatothers share

Michael Walker
 

Hi John,

What I mean is that I work with people who can see. They run conferences where they share their screens. I wondered if there is a way I can see what they are sharing on their screens.

Thank you,
Mike

On Aug 2, 2020, at 5:33 PM, Jon Nixey <jon.ofhs5790@...> wrote:



Hi Michael,

 

I’m not quite sure what you mean, but I use Zoom frequently and share screens with other blind Zoom users.

Obviously, as the other users are also totally blind, then they can’t actually see what is displayed on the screen, but they can definitely hear any audio soundtrack of what I’m sharing.

Not sure if that helps or not?

 

Kind regards, Jon

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Michael Walker
Sent: 02 August 2020 18:34
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Question about accessible screen sharing, being able to see whatothers share

 

Hi, is it possible when using zoom or WebEx to set it up to where I can see what people are sharing through screen sharing as a jaws user? Thanks.

 

 

Re: Question about accessible screen sharing, being able to see whatothers share

Jon Nixey
 

Hi Michael,

 

I’m not quite sure what you mean, but I use Zoom frequently and share screens with other blind Zoom users.

Obviously, as the other users are also totally blind, then they can’t actually see what is displayed on the screen, but they can definitely hear any audio soundtrack of what I’m sharing.

Not sure if that helps or not?

 

Kind regards, Jon

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Michael Walker
Sent: 02 August 2020 18:34
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Question about accessible screen sharing, being able to see whatothers share

 

Hi, is it possible when using zoom or WebEx to set it up to where I can see what people are sharing through screen sharing as a jaws user? Thanks.

 

 

Re: JAWS freezes when I close Word

Rick Mladek
 

I am using Windows 10 latest update and Jaws 2019. The Office suite is 2019 single version, not 360. Happens when apps close, such as Windows, Excel and other apps as paint, etc.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 4:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS freezes when I close Word

 

Yes, this is same issue I believe.  JAWS either goes silent or crashes and restarts but takes up to 30 seconds.  This is with latest Windows 10 and JAWS installed.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 4:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS freezes when I close Word

 

Of late I’ve been having the same problem in outlook.  No sound at all, almost as if the computer is turned off. 

Re: JAWS freezes when I close Word

Rick Mladek
 

This happening when Excelclosing , as well.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 4:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS freezes when I close Word

 

Of late I’ve been having the same problem in outlook.  No sound at all, almost as if the computer is turned off. 

Re: JAWS freezes when I close Word

Dan Longmore
 

Yes, this is same issue I believe.  JAWS either goes silent or crashes and restarts but takes up to 30 seconds.  This is with latest Windows 10 and JAWS installed.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 4:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS freezes when I close Word

 

Of late I’ve been having the same problem in outlook.  No sound at all, almost as if the computer is turned off. 

Re: can you set up a Gmail account on the same computer this a pop3 account too?

Marty Hutchings
 

I have a Gmail and a Road runner account both running through Windows Live Mail and Windows 7 and it works fine.
 
Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020
 

Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2020 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: can you set up a Gmail account on the same computer this a pop3 account too?
 

Yes, I have my gmail account tied directly into Outlook but you can have a separate  way to get gmail either through web mail or using another mail program.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 3:58 PM
To: blindtech@groups.io
Subject: can you set up a Gmail account on the same computer this a pop3 account too?

 

Hi all, for some reason outlook 2016 is acting weird today. All my mail that is supposed to be in my in box is in my deleted folder. Anyway, I have friends tell mee that a  Gmail account  is better. I supposed that is a matter of opinion, but I thought I would have both if possible. I am running outlook 2016, and jaws 2020, on a windows ten computer. Thanks for your help. Jim

Re: JAWS freezes when I close Word

David Diamond
 

Of late I’ve been having the same problem in outlook.  No sound at all, almost as if the computer is turned off. 

Re: can you set up a Gmail account on the same computer this a pop3 account too?

David Diamond
 

May be not the answer you want to hear however, I use office 365 and with that, I can have a Microsoft exchange, Hotmail, Gmail and POP 3 accounts. 

Re: Question about accessible screen sharing, being able to see what others share

JOHN RIEHL
 

As far as I know it is not possible to see screen sharing with zoom and JAWS

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 3:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about accessible screen sharing, being able to see what others share

Is it not possible with Zoom either?

On Aug 2, 2020, at 2:09 PM, JOHN RIEHL via groups.io <REALMAN02=VERIZON.NET@groups.io> wrote:

I don't know about Webex. It is not possible to see what people are
sharing using JAWS.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Walker
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 1:34 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Question about accessible screen sharing, being able to see
what others share

Hi, is it possible when using zoom or WebEx to set it up to where I
can see what people are sharing through screen sharing as a jaws user? Thanks.




Re: can you set up a Gmail account on the same computer this a pop3 account too?

Dan Longmore
 

Yes, I have my gmail account tied directly into Outlook but you can have a separate  way to get gmail either through web mail or using another mail program.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 3:58 PM
To: blindtech@groups.io
Subject: can you set up a Gmail account on the same computer this a pop3 account too?

 

Hi all, for some reason outlook 2016 is acting weird today. All my mail that is supposed to be in my in box is in my deleted folder. Anyway, I have friends tell mee that a  Gmail account  is better. I supposed that is a matter of opinion, but I thought I would have both if possible. I am running outlook 2016, and jaws 2020, on a windows ten computer. Thanks for your help. Jim

Re: Question about accessible screen sharing, being able to see what others share

Michael Walker
 

Is it not possible with Zoom either?

On Aug 2, 2020, at 2:09 PM, JOHN RIEHL via groups.io <REALMAN02=VERIZON.NET@groups.io> wrote:

I don't know about Webex. It is not possible to see what people are sharing
using JAWS.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 1:34 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Question about accessible screen sharing, being able to see what
others share

Hi, is it possible when using zoom or WebEx to set it up to where I can see
what people are sharing through screen sharing as a jaws user? Thanks.




can you set up a Gmail account on the same computer this a pop3 account too?

Jim Rawls
 

Hi all, for some reason outlook 2016 is acting weird today. All my mail that is supposed to be in my in box is in my deleted folder. Anyway, I have friends tell mee that a  Gmail account  is better. I supposed that is a matter of opinion, but I thought I would have both if possible. I am running outlook 2016, and jaws 2020, on a windows ten computer. Thanks for your help. Jim

Re: JAWS freezes when I close Word

Dan Longmore
 

Yes, and if I tab away or shift tab around the same window then the focus comes back. For a while the focus issue had been better but of the last release of JAWS and updates from Microsoft seem to have made the problem worse.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 3:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS freezes when I close Word

Interesting. JAWS often says "unavailable" when I try to go into My documents. I didn't realize it was due to a lack of focus.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 3:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS freezes when I close Word

Hi,
Yes, issue continues with me as well at least in Outlook. Also I have noticed an increased loss of focus or what JAWS calls "unavailable" when I open new windows in Explorer. I realize that Microsoft continues to make significant changes and yet if JAWS wants to remain at the top of screen readers they must find a way to remedy these situations on a faster and more reliable basis.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of CJ &AA MAY
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 3:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS freezes when I close Word

I haven't re-started the computer, but re-started Word, and the problem hasn't gone away.
Alison


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: 02 August 2020 15:06
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS freezes when I close Word

Unfortunately, this is a known issue.

I have read that the following workaround should remedy this problem.

1. From within Word press insert+v to bring up the JAWS options dialog.

2. In the edit field type "UIA" without the quotes.

3. Look for the option "USE UIA in Word 365 Documents" and uncheck this option.

4. Press enter twice to close the dialog and to save this change.

Here is the relevant help text pertaining to this feature.

Since Office 2013, JAWS has started to rely on UI Automation (UIA) provided by Microsoft, in order to provide the most robust solution for documents in Office.
Microsoft is making significant changes in UIA in the ongoing development of Office 365 and this control, when unchecked, gives users an opportunity to rely only on the Document Object Model rather than UIA. This could be useful for users who are using Office 365 and run into any issues that might have been introduced by recent changes in UIA.
Restart Word after changing this setting for your changes to take effect.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 8/2/2020 9:51 AM, Sameer wrote:

Dear List members,

Whenever I close Word using Alt+F4, JAWS will freeze for about 30
seconds & automatically resume speech afterwards. But all keystrokes
typed by me during the 30-second interval (For example, moving to the
desktop, launching another program using hotkeys) will be executed
even if JAWS is silent. Also, if I close the Word document using
CTRL+F4 instead of closing Word entirely, this freezing of JAWS does
not happen. The freezing does not happen if I close other Office
programs like Excel or Powerpoint.

This behaviour has been observed for the past couple of weeks with
both JAWS 2019 & JAWS 2020. My OS is Windows 10 version 1909 build
18363.959 & Office
version is 2016 subscription version.

Kindly suggest me how I can stop the freezing of JAWS whenever I close
Word.

Thanking all in advance for any & all suggestions.

Re: JAWS freezes when I close Word

JOHN RIEHL
 

Interesting. JAWS often says "unavailable" when I try to go into My documents. I didn't realize it was due to a lack of focus.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 3:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS freezes when I close Word

Hi,
Yes, issue continues with me as well at least in Outlook. Also I have noticed an increased loss of focus or what JAWS calls "unavailable" when I open new windows in Explorer. I realize that Microsoft continues to make significant changes and yet if JAWS wants to remain at the top of screen readers they must find a way to remedy these situations on a faster and more reliable basis.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of CJ &AA MAY
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 3:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS freezes when I close Word

I haven't re-started the computer, but re-started Word, and the problem hasn't gone away.
Alison


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: 02 August 2020 15:06
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS freezes when I close Word

Unfortunately, this is a known issue.

I have read that the following workaround should remedy this problem.

1. From within Word press insert+v to bring up the JAWS options dialog.

2. In the edit field type "UIA" without the quotes.

3. Look for the option "USE UIA in Word 365 Documents" and uncheck this option.

4. Press enter twice to close the dialog and to save this change.

Here is the relevant help text pertaining to this feature.

Since Office 2013, JAWS has started to rely on UI Automation (UIA) provided by Microsoft, in order to provide the most robust solution for documents in Office.
Microsoft is making significant changes in UIA in the ongoing development of Office 365 and this control, when unchecked, gives users an opportunity to rely only on the Document Object Model rather than UIA. This could be useful for users who are using Office 365 and run into any issues that might have been introduced by recent changes in UIA.
Restart Word after changing this setting for your changes to take effect.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 8/2/2020 9:51 AM, Sameer wrote:

Dear List members,

Whenever I close Word using Alt+F4, JAWS will freeze for about 30
seconds & automatically resume speech afterwards. But all keystrokes
typed by me during the 30-second interval (For example, moving to the
desktop, launching another program using hotkeys) will be executed
even if JAWS is silent. Also, if I close the Word document using
CTRL+F4 instead of closing Word entirely, this freezing of JAWS does
not happen. The freezing does not happen if I close other Office
programs like Excel or Powerpoint.

This behaviour has been observed for the past couple of weeks with
both JAWS 2019 & JAWS 2020. My OS is Windows 10 version 1909 build
18363.959 & Office
version is 2016 subscription version.

Kindly suggest me how I can stop the freezing of JAWS whenever I close
Word.

Thanking all in advance for any & all suggestions.