Hi, Tom. You first have to make sure that your messages are sorted by date in the View Menu. ALT plus V, followed by A, then B, then D as in Date.

Hello, everyone.

I just installed the latest Jaws 2020 update on this Windows 10 computer.

I’m using Outlook e-mail in Microsoft 365.

In the list of improvements with this update, I know Jaws will now group messages according to date, which could be quite convenient when sorting through a large folder list view.

Here’s what the update notes say:

“JAWS can now indicate group changes, such as dates or conversations, as you navigate through message lists. For example, if your Outlook view settings
are set to show messages by date and you are navigating a folder containing messages covering multiple days, when you move to the first message in the
new date group, you will hear announcements such as "today," "yesterday," "last week," or "two weeks ago." To turn on this feature, open Quick Settings
(INSERT+V) while in Outlook and select the Announce Group Change in Lists check box.”

I checked the “announce group change” option, but my messages still do not appear to be grouped by date.

Am I missing a step here?

Thanks!

Tom Behler

Hi, Tom. You first have to make sure that your messages are sorted by date in the View Menu. ALT plus V, followed by A, then B, then D as in Date.

Hello, everyone.

I just installed the latest Jaws 2020 update on this Windows 10 computer.

I’m using Outlook e-mail in Microsoft 365.

In the list of improvements with this update, I know Jaws will now group messages according to date, which could be quite convenient when sorting through a large folder list view.

Here’s what the update notes say:

“JAWS can now indicate group changes, such as dates or conversations, as you navigate through message lists. For example, if your Outlook view settings
are set to show messages by date and you are navigating a folder containing messages covering multiple days, when you move to the first message in the
new date group, you will hear announcements such as "today," "yesterday," "last week," or "two weeks ago." To turn on this feature, open Quick Settings
(INSERT+V) while in Outlook and select the Announce Group Change in Lists check box.”

I checked the “announce group change” option, but my messages still do not appear to be grouped by date.

Am I missing a step here?

Thanks!

Tom Behler

Hello, everyone.

I just installed the latest Jaws 2020 update on this Windows 10 computer.

I’m using Outlook e-mail in Microsoft 365.

In the list of improvements with this update, I know Jaws will now group messages according to date, which could be quite convenient when sorting through a large folder list view.

Here’s what the update notes say:

“JAWS can now indicate group changes, such as dates or conversations, as you navigate through message lists. For example, if your Outlook view settings
are set to show messages by date and you are navigating a folder containing messages covering multiple days, when you move to the first message in the
new date group, you will hear announcements such as "today," "yesterday," "last week," or "two weeks ago." To turn on this feature, open Quick Settings
(INSERT+V) while in Outlook and select the Announce Group Change in Lists check box.”

I checked the “announce group change” option, but my messages still do not appear to be grouped by date.

Am I missing a step here?

Thanks!

Tom Behler

----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 3:19 PM

Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Hi Steve,

 

I respect that old saying, “to each his/her own.”

 

But,  I can’t imagine  going through all of the work and the down time to reinstall all of my complicated software and their individual settings.

 

An image backup, at least for me, is the only way.  So far, I haven’t ever had a problem with Image for Windows or even the very old Ghost backup software way back in the Windows 98 days failing to restore a perfect image of my drive.

 

Everyone Stay safe,

 

James B  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 7:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi Brian,

 

Personally, I wouldn’t restore or backup an image, too much to go wrong, even on the same hardware.

 

I usually reset my PC and reinstall apps.  I can back up my personal data just using Windows, but since resetting a Windows 10 PC is now accessible completely, that’s what I do.

 

All the best

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 03 May 2020 20:21
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I would suggest those really interested in what's being discussed also look at the following two recent topics on other groups:

https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/73315213

Windows PE ISO file with NVDA installed
, specifically message, https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/73144, if you're looking to source versions of WinPE with NVDA built in.  The EXE files were created using Rufus based on what the original poster said to me when I asked.

For myself, I would not rely on any ZIP utility as my primary system image backup.  There is a reason that system image backup and recovery utilities, and many of them, exist to make the process easier and far more foolproof.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 3:19 PM

Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

Hi Steve,

 

I respect that old saying, “to each his/her own.”

 

But,  I can’t imagine  going through all of the work and the down time to reinstall all of my complicated software and their individual settings.

 

An image backup, at least for me, is the only way.  So far, I haven’t ever had a problem with Image for Windows or even the very old Ghost backup software way back in the Windows 98 days failing to restore a perfect image of my drive.

 

Everyone Stay safe,

 

James B  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 7:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

Hi Brian,

 

Personally, I wouldn’t restore or backup an image, too much to go wrong, even on the same hardware.

 

I usually reset my PC and reinstall apps.  I can back up my personal data just using Windows, but since resetting a Windows 10 PC is now accessible completely, that’s what I do.

 

All the best

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 03 May 2020 20:21
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

 

I would suggest those really interested in what's being discussed also look at the following two recent topics on other groups:

https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/73315213

Windows PE ISO file with NVDA installed
, specifically message, https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/73144, if you're looking to source versions of WinPE with NVDA built in.  The EXE files were created using Rufus based on what the original poster said to me when I asked.

For myself, I would not rely on any ZIP utility as my primary system image backup.  There is a reason that system image backup and recovery utilities, and many of them, exist to make the process easier and far more foolproof.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

I don't know if getting rid of older restore points is deliberate

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

Hi Brian,

Personally, I wouldn’t restore or backup an image, too much to go wrong, even on the same hardware.

I usually reset my PC and reinstall apps.  I can back up my personal data just using Windows, but since resetting a Windows 10 PC is now accessible completely, that’s what I do.

All the best

Steve

I would suggest those really interested in what's being discussed also look at the following two recent topics on other groups:

https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/73315213

Windows PE ISO file with NVDA installed
, specifically message, https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/73144, if you're looking to source versions of WinPE with NVDA built in.  The EXE files were created using Rufus based on what the original poster said to me when I asked.

For myself, I would not rely on any ZIP utility as my primary system image backup.  There is a reason that system image backup and recovery utilities, and many of them, exist to make the process easier and far more foolproof.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 11:05 AM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Yeah, files copied to non-existence with the File Hitsory. Thanks but no thanks.

Please do not make nonsense assertions.  Thanks.

If you don't know how to use a versioned backup utility that's really no one's fault but your own, but File History is as close to bulletproof as I've ever found, and the fact that it does versioned backups seamlessly, without having to buy anything, is nothing short of a small miracle.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss



I don't know if it's different in windows 10, but I've noticed that in windows 7 that the operating system only keeps a few of the backup points and it bumps out older backup points.

Someone I know has tried using system restore only to find that he could not go back as far as he wanted to in restoring his system.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:45 AM

Subject: Re: Accessible System Backup Image software, (WAS) the latest update to jaws 2020 giving me a fit

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 08:00 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Personally, I wouldn’t restore or backup an image, too much to go wrong, even on the same hardware.

To each his or her own.  I'd rather gnaw off my own fingers than set myself up to have to reconfigure a machine and all its software after a drive failure.

I think I've had one restore in over 30 years not work, so your assertion about "too much to go wrong" just doesn't hold water in my professional experience.  If these suites were commonly problematic, they'd have died out long, long ago.  They're generally very slick, easy, and, most importantly, fast at getting a machine right back on its feet to precisely the state it was in when the full system image backup was taken.

That being said, you bring up another good point is that in addition to full system image backups, one should also be taking separate user data backups.  The File History utility in Windows 10 is an excellent tool for this.  Most backup & recovery suites also include a function strictly for user data rather than full system images as well.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss