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moderated Re: jaws on a different audio device

Kevin Minor
 

Hi Daniel.

I don’t have access to JAWS now, but I think I still can point you in the right direction. You can indeed set JAWS to use a different sound card then the Windows default one. Here’s what to look for. Before I tell you what to do, however, you need to be careful, because you could accidentally set JAWS to where you can’t hear it, so try to learn the keyboard shortcuts to get it back to the Windows default sound card if necessary.

Go into the JAWS windeaow, or the menu if you have it in your system tray.

Now, look for the Utilities menu. This may be under the options menu, I don't remember, but it's either there or in the main menu.

Once there, look for sound card, or something like that.

Under this menu, you will find the different sound card that JAWS can use. Select the one you want. Once selected, it may take a few seconds to take, so don't panic if you don't hear any speech for a little bit. If it seems to be real long, and you still don't hear anything, get JAWS back to the default card and try again. This is why it's important to memorize the keyboard shortcuts to get speech back in case of this situation happening.

Eventually, you will get speech out of the card you want, so long as it's one that JAWS recognizes. Here's another thing to keep in mind. Sometimes the sound card may have a bit of a cryptic label in JAWS, so you might have to guess at it, especially if you have multiple cards, and if one of them has more than one entry in the list.

That's all there is to it. A nice feature that I wish JAWS had is to hit a shortcut key to get sound back where it was last working. Maybe it does now, but it didn't when I did this a few years ago.

Hope this is helpful for you.

Kevin and Jilly

On Aug 22, 2019, at 3:40 PM, Daniel Wolak <danielwolak97@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I'm using jaws on a system that has multiple sound-output devices, and
am just wondering if there is a way to route jaws speech to a different
device than the windows default?

Thanks,


Daniel



moderated Re: Jaws not seeing part of Mobile website

Dean Martineau
 

JAWSKey+Space, O, S does work with JAWS to read the trip result.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 4:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws not seeing part of Mobile website

 

If what you're saying is that the trip suggestions are not being read, then I have the same issue with NVDA.  The objects are there, I can see them, I could click them, but when I land on them I get either "Blank" for the first one or nothing at all for the second.

I just redid this again, using different times, and get the same behavior when I try tabbing through the results via the keyboard, but what's really weird is that if I have mouse tracking on, and am moving the mouse over these various trip plan options, the visible text is being read.  The first is always announced as Blank and the following items as dead silence.

I cannot even get a keyboard and screen reader based workaround to work, at least with conventional commands.

If JAWS has a script available that allows you to move the mouse over the screen, and mouse tracking is on, you should be able to hear those results read to you as the mouse pointer is hovering over each of the things that look like trip option buttons on that page, but definitely are not implemented as buttons.   It has been some months since I was last using JAWS actively, and do not know if a direct mouse movement via keyboard option is available or if tracking and announcement of what's under it are available, either.   But based on my NVDA experimentation that's the only way I can find to get all of the options to be read by the screen reader.

 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer

moderated Re: The List

Lino Morales
 

What list died? If someone can answer privatly at:

lino.jr@...

If its the one ran by Dave and Rick thank God!

On 8/22/2019 4:17 AM, Panagiotis Antonopoulos wrote:
I may join my voice welcoming all friends here. Fortunately, I had set up this home some time ago, so I am not a refugee now (smile).
G reetings from the Greek island of Euboea,
Takis

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Pursley
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 11:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The List

Nice to see old friends here.

On 8/21/2019 4:55 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Yeah, it was pretty sudden. The main moderator (I think) said that it had been brewing for quite a while, but I really saw no evidence of poor behaviour at least in the public messages. Everyone has different standadrs, I guess.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of cecropia64
Sent: August 21, 2019 8:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The List

yes, that was a total shocker.?? i was thinking the same thing. folks are going to need a place to talk all things jaws.?? hope this is it.


stew

On 8/21/2019 8:24 AM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io wrote:
Welll, now that the JAWS-Users list has been shut down, which happened
abruptly and without warning last night, this list is likely to become
even more active.


Gerald


to become even more

On 8/21/2019 8:16 AM, Pastor Gil Pries wrote:
It was very active when I was a member before.

Pastor Gil

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of cecropia64
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The List

on top of all that this list has been very quiet for a long time.?
little going on

On 8/21/2019 8:12 AM, Pastor Gil Pries wrote:
My emails are taking a very long time to get back to me which means I
am not approved as yet.

Pastor Gil








moderated Re: Jaws not seeing part of Mobile website

 

If what you're saying is that the trip suggestions are not being read, then I have the same issue with NVDA.  The objects are there, I can see them, I could click them, but when I land on them I get either "Blank" for the first one or nothing at all for the second.

I just redid this again, using different times, and get the same behavior when I try tabbing through the results via the keyboard, but what's really weird is that if I have mouse tracking on, and am moving the mouse over these various trip plan options, the visible text is being read.  The first is always announced as Blank and the following items as dead silence.

I cannot even get a keyboard and screen reader based workaround to work, at least with conventional commands.

If JAWS has a script available that allows you to move the mouse over the screen, and mouse tracking is on, you should be able to hear those results read to you as the mouse pointer is hovering over each of the things that look like trip option buttons on that page, but definitely are not implemented as buttons.   It has been some months since I was last using JAWS actively, and do not know if a direct mouse movement via keyboard option is available or if tracking and announcement of what's under it are available, either.   But based on my NVDA experimentation that's the only way I can find to get all of the options to be read by the screen reader.

 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer

moderated Re: jaws on a different audio device

Daniel Wolak
 

Hi,

Thanks very much, got it sorted now with this info.


Daniel

On 2019-08-22 4:19 p.m., ratshtron wrote:
yes there is, I am using an external usb sound card to use a wireless
headset for jaws to go through while everything else goes through the
onboard audio device on the motherboard. press insert+j then u then o.
then select the audio device you wish to use with jaws.


Legend has it that on Thursday 8/22/2019 01:30 PM, Daniel Wolak said:
----------------------------------------
Hi all,

I'm using jaws on a system that has multiple sound-output devices, and
am just wondering if there is a way to route jaws speech to a different
device than the windows default?

Thanks,


Daniel


----------------------------------------



moderated Re: jaws on a different audio device

ratshtron
 

yes there is, I am using an external usb sound card to use a wireless headset for jaws to go through while everything else goes through the onboard audio device on the motherboard. press insert+j then u then o. then select the audio device you wish to use with jaws.


Legend has it that on Thursday 8/22/2019 01:30 PM, Daniel Wolak said:
----------------------------------------
Hi all,

I'm using jaws on a system that has multiple sound-output devices, and
am just wondering if there is a way to route jaws speech to a different
device than the windows default?

Thanks,


Daniel


----------------------------------------

moderated Re: the list

Pastor Gil Pries
 

It is www.jaws-users.com.

Pastor Gil

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jschliff@...
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 8:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the list

What is the Jaws-users website?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 11:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the list

Thanks.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

On 8/22/2019 11:06 AM, Larry Gassman wrote:
Maria,
Mike Capelle is the owner of the new list.
Larry



moderated Re: Jaws not seeing part of Mobile website

Bill White
 

Hi again, Fritz. I didn’t see my reply to you being sent out on the list, so I’m going to send it again.

 

I don’t think it is so much a JAWS issue as a website coding issue. I think they have pictures or graphics as part of the trip suggestions. If the coding

is left this way, I don’t think JAWS would ever have a way of displaying this information. You might try using INSERT plus SPACE, followed by O, then S,

to see if the picture has any actual text within it.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of fritzdewit@...
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 8:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws not seeing part of Mobile website

 

f
Could someone out there please have a look at this website and give me your thoughts?

The ETS(Edmonton Transit System) has 2 web-based trip planning applications:
A "main" version and a "mobile" version.
I especially like the mobile version of this web application because it's just html-based -- no clutter & no fuss.
But, there's a problem
Maybe the best way to describe it is to walk you through it:

Let's suppose I want to go from my house to the airport.
I would point my browser to the "mobile" Trip Planner webpage:
http://m.etstripplanner.edmonton.ca/planyourtrip.aspx
The first thing it assks for is: Select trip start location
There's a combo bbox of 4 "Start location types" you can choose from.
Pick "Landmark".
In the associated Edit field, type in: lewis.
You should see a list of possible landmarks that contain the word: Lewis
From this list, pick "Lewis Farms Transit Station" and press "Enter".
The edit field should now contain this text.

Next, you have to Select the trip end location
Again, from the combo box list of available End location types, pick "Landmark"
In the associated edit field, type: airport
You will be shown a list of 8 possibilityes containing the word: airport
From this list, pick: Edmonton International Airport -- It's the fourth in this list.
Fill in the rest of the stuff on this page: just pick "reasonable" values.
Once everything is specified, go to the "Get Trip Plan" button and press Enter.

And now, this is where the problem happens:
The "Trip Suggestions" returned to me are not visible to Jaws.
A sighted viewer can pick them up, but Jaws does not.

Could someone out there please have a look at this,
offer an explanation as to what causes this,
and suggest a work-around fix?
I would REALLY appreciate it!
PS: The browser I use is Firefox.
In order to see if another browser might work better on this site,
I tried it with the MS Edge browser -- same thing.
So I think the issue is a Jaws issue.

moderated Re: The List

Mike B
 

Hi Mike,
 
Your message is confusing, at least to me.  You said, subscribe, and thats's it.  What is it you want to do?

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: The List

subscribe

********************************

www.harmonicaworkshops.com



On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 21:29:09 -0700
"Mike B" <mb69mach1@...> wrote:

> Hi Angel,
>
> The subscribe link is below:
>
> jfw-users+subscribe@groups.io
>
>
> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
> I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that
> somebody screwed up.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Angel
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 7:56 PM
> Subject: Re: The List
>
>
> How does one subscribe to the newly created group?
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Cristóbal
>   To: main@jfw.groups.io
>   Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:58 PM
>   Subject: Re: The List
>
>
>   Yeah. It just came off as a small and petty. Anyway. I think I'm going to
> hold off on joining. Who knows how many refugees from the old list will even
> hear about the new one. I'm guessing at first anyway, the majority of folks
> who join will be the same people on this blindtech and the other JFW list.
> Seriously. To just blow it up like that without even a heads up. There were
> probably a lot of folks on that list who need more help than others to find
> their way. Just to cast them out like that. Messed up. I believe that David
> guy is also a member of one or two other lists I belong too. Who knows if he'll
> interact with them or if it was an entire withdrawal type of deal.
>
>   On Aug 21, 2019, at 2:00 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
>
>
>     Cristobal,
>
>               As so many owner martinets do!
>
>               However, it appears that someone promptly created a group here
> on Groups.io that is the stub of a replacement.  I am mentioning this only
> because of this topic, which I believe is legitimate to discuss here:  Jaws
> Help Website
>
>                If there's a way to get at the help content historically
> available, regardless of where it is, that's worth sharing in my opinion,
> even on a "competing list" like this one.  And I really don't consider the
> lists in competition in any meaningful sense.
>
>                 I'd love to see "blind technology" traffic become less
> fragmented, not more, though there is definite room for separate lists for
> things like JAWS, NVDA, Narrator, etc.  I still, for myself, would prefer a
> grand, unified "screen reader and blind technology" group myself, as there
> is a lot of information on each of these that are completely applicable or
> easily translatable to the others.   But history often dictates structure,
> and it sure does at the moment.
>
>                  With list management software like Groups.io has, each user
> can easily tailor their own experience even on high-traffic groups if they
> wish to do so.
>     --
>
>     Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362
>
>
>     Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.
>
>              ~ Eric Hoffer
>
>
>
>
>



moderated Re: the list

Mike B
 


here you go:
 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: the list

What is the Jaws-users website?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 11:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the list

Thanks.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

On 8/22/2019 11:06 AM, Larry Gassman wrote:
> Maria,
> Mike Capelle is the owner of the new list.
> Larry
>
>
>
>






moderated Re: confused

 

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 03:45 PM, James Homuth wrote:
God I feel old.
Join the club, bub.   And it only gets worse.

[The above offered by someone who did his first programming course in FORTRAN on punch cards.  And if you need to ask, don't.]
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer

moderated Re: confused

James Homuth
 

I wish I could take all the credit, but this list actually predates Yahoo Groups. When I joined initially, we were hosted on OneList (remember those guys?). Actually if I remember correctly, and someone can feel free to correct me if they know, Mark (the owner of groups.io) was initially involved in OneList before it was sold to what then became Yahoo Groups. At the time, we were under the guidance of a man named Nick Allen. We changed ownership a couple times after that, and hosting platforms once, before I took over--we were on freelists.org when I took the wheel, and the archives from those days are still up there.

Related: Holy crap, I just realized this is probably the longest online venture I've had any active part in that's still running. God I feel old.

James,
List Admin

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Georgie Mac
Sent: August-22-19 12:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: confused

Brian, For me too! To much with all of this. People just asking questions to a very confusing issue. Very Admiral of you to take the time talk to us regarding this. We all said we didn't care but the fact is we did and do! Much appreciated. Georgi

On 8/22/2019 12:15 PM, cecropia64 wrote:
brian:


thank you.?? now that was a helpful answer to an innocent question.??
i appreciate you clearing it up for me.?? have a great one.


stew

On 8/22/2019 12:13 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I agree, the use of "the list" and "this list" being bandied about is
confusing.

This group, as in /The JAWS for Windows Support List/, is owned by
James Homuth and, to my knowledge, has been since its inception.

The now defunct JAWS Users group, whose exact name I do not know and
since it's been nuked cannot pull up, has never, to my knowledge,
been owned or moderated by the owner of this very group that I'm
about to post this message to (James Homuth).?? If I'm wrong I am
certain that the Group Owner of this very group will correct me.

The "pop-up replacement" for said nuked group is jfw-users@groups.io,
<mailto:jfw-users@groups.io,>??home page here,
https://groups.io/g/jfw-users, <https://groups.io/g/jfw-users>??which
includes its various addresses just like all Groups.io group home
pages do, and which I mentioned how to search for last night.?? It
came into existence yesterday.

That covers all of the "this and that" groups that have been swirling
around in various topics here.?? It is left as an exercise to the
reader to figure out just which this or that was being alluded to in
those other messages.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

???????????????? ~ Eric Hoffer


moderated Re: Jaws not seeing part of Mobile website

Bill White
 

I don’t think it is so much a JAWS issue as a website coding issue. I think they have pictures or graphics as part of the trip suggestions. If the coding is left this way, I don’t think JAWS would ever have a way of displaying this information. You might try using INSERT plus SPACE, followed by O, then S, to see if the picture has any actual text within it.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of fritzdewit@...
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 8:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws not seeing part of Mobile website

 

f
Could someone out there please have a look at this website and give me your thoughts?

The ETS(Edmonton Transit System) has 2 web-based trip planning applications:
A "main" version and a "mobile" version.
I especially like the mobile version of this web application because it's just html-based -- no clutter & no fuss.
But, there's a problem
Maybe the best way to describe it is to walk you through it:

Let's suppose I want to go from my house to the airport.
I would point my browser to the "mobile" Trip Planner webpage:
http://m.etstripplanner.edmonton.ca/planyourtrip.aspx
The first thing it assks for is: Select trip start location
There's a combo bbox of 4 "Start location types" you can choose from.
Pick "Landmark".
In the associated Edit field, type in: lewis.
You should see a list of possible landmarks that contain the word: Lewis
From this list, pick "Lewis Farms Transit Station" and press "Enter".
The edit field should now contain this text.

Next, you have to Select the trip end location
Again, from the combo box list of available End location types, pick "Landmark"
In the associated edit field, type: airport
You will be shown a list of 8 possibilityes containing the word: airport
From this list, pick: Edmonton International Airport -- It's the fourth in this list.
Fill in the rest of the stuff on this page: just pick "reasonable" values.
Once everything is specified, go to the "Get Trip Plan" button and press Enter.

And now, this is where the problem happens:
The "Trip Suggestions" returned to me are not visible to Jaws.
A sighted viewer can pick them up, but Jaws does not.

Could someone out there please have a look at this,
offer an explanation as to what causes this,
and suggest a work-around fix?
I would REALLY appreciate it!
PS: The browser I use is Firefox.
In order to see if another browser might work better on this site,
I tried it with the MS Edge browser -- same thing.
So I think the issue is a Jaws issue.

moderated jaws on a different audio device

Daniel Wolak
 

Hi all,

I'm using jaws on a system that has multiple sound-output devices, and
am just wondering if there is a way to route jaws speech to a different
device than the windows default?

Thanks,


Daniel

moderated Re: confused

Georgie Mac
 

Brian,  For me too!  To much with all of this.  People just asking questions to a very confusing issue.  Very Admiral of you to take the time talk to us regarding this.  We all said we didn't care but the fact is we did and do!  Much appreciated.  Georgi

On 8/22/2019 12:15 PM, cecropia64 wrote:
brian:


thank you.?? now that was a helpful answer to an innocent question.?? i appreciate you clearing it up for me.?? have a great one.


stew

On 8/22/2019 12:13 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I agree, the use of "the list" and "this list" being bandied about is confusing.

This group, as in /The JAWS for Windows Support List/, is owned by James Homuth and, to my knowledge, has been since its inception.

The now defunct JAWS Users group, whose exact name I do not know and since it's been nuked cannot pull up, has never, to my knowledge, been owned or moderated by the owner of this very group that I'm about to post this message to (James Homuth).?? If I'm wrong I am certain that the Group Owner of this very group will correct me.

The "pop-up replacement" for said nuked group is jfw-users@groups.io, <mailto:jfw-users@groups.io,>??home page here, https://groups.io/g/jfw-users, <https://groups.io/g/jfw-users>??which includes its various addresses just like all Groups.io group home pages do, and which I mentioned how to search for last night.?? It came into existence yesterday.

That covers all of the "this and that" groups that have been swirling around in various topics here.?? It is left as an exercise to the reader to figure out just which this or that was being alluded to in those other messages.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

???????????????? ~ Eric Hoffer

moderated Jaws not seeing part of Mobile website

fritzdewit@...
 

f
Could someone out there please have a look at this website and give me your thoughts?

The ETS(Edmonton Transit System) has 2 web-based trip planning applications:
A "main" version and a "mobile" version.
I especially like the mobile version of this web application because it's just html-based -- no clutter & no fuss.
But, there's a problem
Maybe the best way to describe it is to walk you through it:

Let's suppose I want to go from my house to the airport.
I would point my browser to the "mobile" Trip Planner webpage:
http://m.etstripplanner.edmonton.ca/planyourtrip.aspx
The first thing it assks for is: Select trip start location
There's a combo bbox of 4 "Start location types" you can choose from.
Pick "Landmark".
In the associated Edit field, type in: lewis.
You should see a list of possible landmarks that contain the word: Lewis
From this list, pick "Lewis Farms Transit Station" and press "Enter".
The edit field should now contain this text.

Next, you have to Select the trip end location
Again, from the combo box list of available End location types, pick "Landmark"
In the associated edit field, type: airport
You will be shown a list of 8 possibilityes containing the word: airport
From this list, pick: Edmonton International Airport -- It's the fourth in this list.
Fill in the rest of the stuff on this page: just pick "reasonable" values.
Once everything is specified, go to the "Get Trip Plan" button and press Enter.

And now, this is where the problem happens:
The "Trip Suggestions" returned to me are not visible to Jaws.
A sighted viewer can pick them up, but Jaws does not.

Could someone out there please have a look at this,
offer an explanation as to what causes this,
and suggest a work-around fix?
I would REALLY appreciate it!
PS: The browser I use is Firefox.
In order to see if another browser might work better on this site,
I tried it with the MS Edge browser -- same thing.
So I think the issue is a Jaws issue.

moderated Re: the list

Jschliff@...
 

What is the Jaws-users website?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 11:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: the list

Thanks.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

On 8/22/2019 11:06 AM, Larry Gassman wrote:
Maria,
Mike Capelle is the owner of the new list.
Larry



moderated Re: The List

Mike Rogers
 

subscribe

********************************

www.harmonicaworkshops.com



On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 21:29:09 -0700
"Mike B" <mb69mach1@...> wrote:

Hi Angel,

The subscribe link is below:

jfw-users+subscribe@groups.io


Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that
somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Angel
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: The List


How does one subscribe to the newly created group?
----- Original Message -----
From: Cristóbal
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: The List


Yeah… It just came off as a small and petty. Anyway… I think I’m going to
hold off on joining. Who knows how many refugees from the old list will even
hear about the new one. I’m guessing at first anyway, the majority of folks
who join will be the same people on this blindtech and the other JFW list.
Seriously… To just blow it up like that without even a heads up. There were
probably a lot of folks on that list who need more help than others to find
their way. Just to cast them out like that… Messed up. I believe that David
guy is also a member of one or two other lists I belong too. Who knows if he’ll
interact with them or if it was an entire withdrawal type of deal.

On Aug 21, 2019, at 2:00 PM, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:


Cristobal,

As so many owner martinets do!

However, it appears that someone promptly created a group here
on Groups.io that is the stub of a replacement. I am mentioning this only
because of this topic, which I believe is legitimate to discuss here: Jaws
Help Website

If there's a way to get at the help content historically
available, regardless of where it is, that's worth sharing in my opinion,
even on a "competing list" like this one. And I really don't consider the
lists in competition in any meaningful sense.

I'd love to see "blind technology" traffic become less
fragmented, not more, though there is definite room for separate lists for
things like JAWS, NVDA, Narrator, etc. I still, for myself, would prefer a
grand, unified "screen reader and blind technology" group myself, as there
is a lot of information on each of these that are completely applicable or
easily translatable to the others. But history often dictates structure,
and it sure does at the moment.

With list management software like Groups.io has, each user
can easily tailor their own experience even on high-traffic groups if they
wish to do so.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362


Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

~ Eric Hoffer




moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

 

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 02:35 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:
I was browsing subjects, not content, which is my own fault.
Apology accepted.  I was shocked because "this is not you," that's for sure.

There's a reason that I included a rule elsewhere (that shall remain nameless) that reads, "Use threaded or conversation view in your e-mail client program or webmail and read through the entirety of a topic before replying.  It gets you completely up to speed and avoids a lot of repetition.  If you choose not to use threaded/conversation view, please take the time to read through all messages from the group that are in your inbox prior to adding any reply to the group.  It’s the only way you can be sure you’re up to speed on any topic when not using threaded/conversation view."

That used to be basic netiquette, specifically for e-mailing lists, that went without saying.   Alas, it doesn't anymore.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer

moderated Changing Jaws Key

Zel Iscel
 

Hi all,

 

By default, if you set the keyboard layout to desktop, you should be able to use the insert key. However, in desktop layout my PC still only allows me to use the capslock key as the Jaws key. I know you can manually change the Jaws key but can’t remember how to do it. Can anyone please remind me?

Kind regards

Zel