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moderated Re: having trouble with a web page

Jed Barton
 

Well, that was the ticket. That's certainly interesting. It does
make it confusing for sure. Thanks a ton guys, sorry to drive you
crazy.

On 8/24/19, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Jed,

No snark whatsoever is intended with what follows.

Try a different web browser (pick any Chromium based one), screen reader, or
both.

What I get when I hit the state box is a bit odd, but if you begin typing
out the whole state name the correct one appears as soon as you've given
enough characters to make it distinct.  For example, typing V shows
Virginia, Vermont, and Virgin Islands.  Add the letter I and Vermont
disappears, add the "rgini" and you only have Virginia as the choice.  When
I hit Enter it fills in Virginia and says something like "Virginia link" or
similar.   This thing is not a conventional combo box.  It is a new thing
that I have never encountered before, and I actually like it far better than
a conventional combo box.  I cannot figure out why the list of options is
not being read as one arrows down through them, but either this new object
is not exposing the text to the screen reader or screen readers have not yet
been updated to deal with this new web object.  I was using NVDA and Brave
(which is Chromium-based) for my quick test.

If you need to fill in Rhode Island then all you need to do is type the
letter R and hit Enter.  The screen reader should tell you that Rhode Island
now appears in the state box.

Over time I have certainly learned that different browsers and different
screen readers may "play better" with specific web pages.  When push comes
to shove I change one variable at a time, typically changing the browser
first, and the screen reader second.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

~ Eric Hoffer



moderated Re: having trouble with a web page

 

Jed,

           No snark whatsoever is intended with what follows.

           Try a different web browser (pick any Chromium based one), screen reader, or both.

           What I get when I hit the state box is a bit odd, but if you begin typing out the whole state name the correct one appears as soon as you've given enough characters to make it distinct.  For example, typing V shows Virginia, Vermont, and Virgin Islands.  Add the letter I and Vermont disappears, add the "rgini" and you only have Virginia as the choice.  When I hit Enter it fills in Virginia and says something like "Virginia link" or similar.   This thing is not a conventional combo box.  It is a new thing that I have never encountered before, and I actually like it far better than a conventional combo box.  I cannot figure out why the list of options is not being read as one arrows down through them, but either this new object is not exposing the text to the screen reader or screen readers have not yet been updated to deal with this new web object.  I was using NVDA and Brave (which is Chromium-based) for my quick test.

             If you need to fill in Rhode Island then all you need to do is type the letter R and hit Enter.  The screen reader should tell you that Rhode Island now appears in the state box.

             Over time I have certainly learned that different browsers and different screen readers may "play better" with specific web pages.  When push comes to shove I change one variable at a time, typically changing the browser first, and the screen reader second.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer

moderated Re: having trouble with a web page

dennis
 

i'm lost on that one.

On 8/24/2019 5:48 PM, Jed Barton wrote:
so when i am going through this form, after the zipcode, there is an
edit box, after that, it says  black down pointing small triangle.
What the hell is that supposed to mean.  so i depress the enter key.
Then as i am arrowing through the states, they just look like words.
So i get to rhode island and depress the enter key.  Then it says
starting microsoft edge.
Why would it launch edge, i'm not even running edge, i'm running
firefox.  What am i missing here guys.  I have to get this form filled
out this weekend.

Cheers,

Jed

On 8/24/19, Jed Barton <jed@...> wrote:
so i have no idea how to interact with this.  I can't believe someone
would design a web page like this.  When i hit the enter button on the
edit box, it makes like a beep sound like it's going into forms mode.
Then when i hit alt and down arrow, it sounds like it's coming out off
forms mode.
I arrow down to Rhode Island, depress the enter key, and it keeps
telling me something about edge, like it's launching the edge web
browser.  Now i'm really confused.  Any help guys?

On 8/24/19, Jed Barton <jed@...> wrote:
ok, what is waterfox?  I'm using firefox

On 8/24/19, dennis <dennisc67@...> wrote:
after it says state there is a blank line. press enter to activate forms
mode. press alt plus down arrow like you would open a dialog box. then
just
down and up arrow till you find your state and press enter. i'm using
latest
jaws and waterfox. hope this helps.

On 8/24/2019 4:29 PM, Jed Barton wrote:
Hey guys
So i am trying to apply for a position, but am running into an issue
with their web page.
So i can fill out most of the form, until i get to the state.  It
comes up as an edit box, but it also looks like it's a dropdown to
select a state.  I don't understand why people don't use combo boxes
the way they are supposed to.
Can someone look at it, to figure out how i am supposed to enter the
state, cause i can't submit the form.

https://www.embracehomeloans.com/recruiting/lets-talk




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moderated Re: having trouble with a web page

Jed Barton
 

so when i am going through this form, after the zipcode, there is an
edit box, after that, it says black down pointing small triangle.
What the hell is that supposed to mean. so i depress the enter key.
Then as i am arrowing through the states, they just look like words.
So i get to rhode island and depress the enter key. Then it says
starting microsoft edge.
Why would it launch edge, i'm not even running edge, i'm running
firefox. What am i missing here guys. I have to get this form filled
out this weekend.

Cheers,

Jed

On 8/24/19, Jed Barton <jed@...> wrote:
so i have no idea how to interact with this. I can't believe someone
would design a web page like this. When i hit the enter button on the
edit box, it makes like a beep sound like it's going into forms mode.
Then when i hit alt and down arrow, it sounds like it's coming out off
forms mode.
I arrow down to Rhode Island, depress the enter key, and it keeps
telling me something about edge, like it's launching the edge web
browser. Now i'm really confused. Any help guys?

On 8/24/19, Jed Barton <jed@...> wrote:
ok, what is waterfox? I'm using firefox

On 8/24/19, dennis <dennisc67@...> wrote:
after it says state there is a blank line. press enter to activate forms
mode. press alt plus down arrow like you would open a dialog box. then
just
down and up arrow till you find your state and press enter. i'm using
latest
jaws and waterfox. hope this helps.

On 8/24/2019 4:29 PM, Jed Barton wrote:

Hey guys
So i am trying to apply for a position, but am running into an issue
with their web page.
So i can fill out most of the form, until i get to the state. It
comes up as an edit box, but it also looks like it's a dropdown to
select a state. I don't understand why people don't use combo boxes
the way they are supposed to.
Can someone look at it, to figure out how i am supposed to enter the
state, cause i can't submit the form.

https://www.embracehomeloans.com/recruiting/lets-talk



--
Dennis Cornelison

[image]
Virus-free. www.avast.com




moderated Re: having trouble with a web page

Jed Barton
 

so i have no idea how to interact with this. I can't believe someone
would design a web page like this. When i hit the enter button on the
edit box, it makes like a beep sound like it's going into forms mode.
Then when i hit alt and down arrow, it sounds like it's coming out off
forms mode.
I arrow down to Rhode Island, depress the enter key, and it keeps
telling me something about edge, like it's launching the edge web
browser. Now i'm really confused. Any help guys?

On 8/24/19, Jed Barton <jed@...> wrote:
ok, what is waterfox? I'm using firefox

On 8/24/19, dennis <dennisc67@...> wrote:
after it says state there is a blank line. press enter to activate forms
mode. press alt plus down arrow like you would open a dialog box. then
just
down and up arrow till you find your state and press enter. i'm using
latest
jaws and waterfox. hope this helps.

On 8/24/2019 4:29 PM, Jed Barton wrote:

Hey guys
So i am trying to apply for a position, but am running into an issue
with their web page.
So i can fill out most of the form, until i get to the state. It
comes up as an edit box, but it also looks like it's a dropdown to
select a state. I don't understand why people don't use combo boxes
the way they are supposed to.
Can someone look at it, to figure out how i am supposed to enter the
state, cause i can't submit the form.

https://www.embracehomeloans.com/recruiting/lets-talk



--
Dennis Cornelison

[image]
Virus-free. www.avast.com


moderated Re: having trouble with a web page

Jed Barton
 

ok, what is waterfox? I'm using firefox

On 8/24/19, dennis <dennisc67@...> wrote:
after it says state there is a blank line. press enter to activate forms
mode. press alt plus down arrow like you would open a dialog box. then just
down and up arrow till you find your state and press enter. i'm using latest
jaws and waterfox. hope this helps.

On 8/24/2019 4:29 PM, Jed Barton wrote:

Hey guys
So i am trying to apply for a position, but am running into an issue
with their web page.
So i can fill out most of the form, until i get to the state. It
comes up as an edit box, but it also looks like it's a dropdown to
select a state. I don't understand why people don't use combo boxes
the way they are supposed to.
Can someone look at it, to figure out how i am supposed to enter the
state, cause i can't submit the form.

https://www.embracehomeloans.com/recruiting/lets-talk



--
Dennis Cornelison

[image]
Virus-free. www.avast.com

moderated Re: having trouble with a web page

dennis
 

after it says state there is a blank line. press enter to activate forms mode. press alt plus down arrow like you would open a dialog box. then just down and up arrow till you find your state and press enter. i'm using latest jaws and waterfox. hope this helps.

On 8/24/2019 4:29 PM, Jed Barton wrote:
Hey guys
So i am trying to apply for a position, but am running into an issue
with their web page.
So i can fill out most of the form, until i get to the state.  It
comes up as an edit box, but it also looks like it's a dropdown to
select a state.  I don't understand why people don't use combo boxes
the way they are supposed to.
Can someone look at it, to figure out how i am supposed to enter the
state, cause i can't submit the form.

https://www.embracehomeloans.com/recruiting/lets-talk




--
Dennis Cornelison

Virus-free. www.avast.com

moderated Re: having trouble with a web page

Joseph Hudson
 

Hi Jed, the states and jobs are split I'm going to Collins, so you have to interact with the column in that state jobs as you want. Does that help you any? There's no pop up box or anything.

On Aug 24, 2019, at 4:29 PM, Jed Barton <jed@...> wrote:

Hey guys
So i am trying to apply for a position, but am running into an issue
with their web page.
So i can fill out most of the form, until i get to the state. It
comes up as an edit box, but it also looks like it's a dropdown to
select a state. I don't understand why people don't use combo boxes
the way they are supposed to.
Can someone look at it, to figure out how i am supposed to enter the
state, cause i can't submit the form.

https://www.embracehomeloans.com/recruiting/lets-talk


moderated having trouble with a web page

Jed Barton
 

Hey guys
So i am trying to apply for a position, but am running into an issue
with their web page.
So i can fill out most of the form, until i get to the state. It
comes up as an edit box, but it also looks like it's a dropdown to
select a state. I don't understand why people don't use combo boxes
the way they are supposed to.
Can someone look at it, to figure out how i am supposed to enter the
state, cause i can't submit the form.

https://www.embracehomeloans.com/recruiting/lets-talk

moderated Re: Disk repair utility, usable with JAWS

Dave Durber
 

Hello Chris:

As I said in my previous email, the hard drive is over 5 years old, which is why I have decided to get a new one, probably, a Western Digital black.

Thanks again.

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Covici" <covici@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: Disk repair utility, usable with JAWS


You might also want to check the drive periodically with smartmontools
and if the reallocated sectors are anything but 0, get a new drive.

On Sat, 24 Aug 2019 11:51:48 -0400,
Dave Durber wrote:

Hello Chris:

I just checked the hard drives serial number, on the Western
Digital web site, and discovered, that the drive is over five
years old, it has served me well. So, off to hard drive heaven it
goes.

I have decided to order a 3 TB hard drive, which is the same size
as the external drive which has the data recovered from the
defective drive. When it comes, I will use Image for Windows to
copy the partitions stored on the external hard drive to the new
internal hard drive, which will save time in initializing,
partitioning, formatting and then copying the data.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Hill"
<hillco@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: Disk repair utility, usable with JAWS


Hello. Sounds like you did the right things, except for one. If
a drive gives you errors, and you manage to fix it using the
process you used, you may not want to trust it again. Hard
drives are cheap, and data is hard to replace. I had a drive in
a laptop that failed in a similar manner to yours. I was able
to write zeros to it and get it going again. Six months later
the whole disaster began again with another bad sector in a bad
spot making it unreliable. I finally put in a new drive and
restored the backup. That was the true fix to the problem.


Good luck.


CH



On 8/24/2019 09:35, Dave Durber wrote:
Hello John

Thank you for your suggestions. In addition, I would also like
to thank others on this list for their suggestions.

It has beena week or 2 since I posed my original question.

Later that day, a friend came round and after I told him my
problem, he said that he had the Ontrac data recovery software
on his system. I took the drive out of the particular computer
and, along with that hard drive, an additional USB hard drive
and a USB 2.5/3.5 inch docking station we went to his house.

Please note: the latest version of the Ontrac Data Recovery
software, is not accessible to any screen reading software. I
tried it before my friend came to my house.

Once he had run the Ontrac software and performed a scan on
the troublesome hard drive, to my enormous relief and enormous
good luck, he was able to recover all the data on the drive
and copy it to the spare hard drive. The software, did report
some problems with some sectors on the drive, fortunately,
there was no data in those sectors.

When I got home, I reinstalled the hard drive in the
computer. As the hard drive is a Western Digital hard drive, I
downloaded and installed their Data Lifeguard software.

As I had all the data from the drive stored on another
drive. I decided to choose the option to write zeros to the
entire drive, in effect, returning the drive to the state it
was in when I purchased it. The function completed
successfully, with no errors.

Once that was done, I used the windows Disk Management
utility, to initialize, partition and format the drive.

I then used CHKDSK, with the /f switch, to check the drive. It
came back with no errors.

I restarted the computer and used CHKDSK, with the /F switch
again, and again, the program came back with no errors.

I restored the data from the backup drive to the original
drive. So, everything is back to normal.

I will check the drive regularly to check reliability.

----- Original Message ----- From: "John Covici" <covici@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: Disk repair utility, usable with JAWS


I would get smartmontools and see what it says about your drive.
Also, a great utility for disk repair is spinwrite at www.grc.com.

On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 06:00:21 -0400,
Dave Durber wrote:

Hello Everyone:

I have a system running Windows 7 Professional 64 BIT, which I
intend upgrading to Windows 10 when I get a new Motherboard for
it. I have JAWS 2018 installed on it. In addition to the CD-DVD
ROM, it has a 120 GB SSD, which is the system drive, and 2 1 TB
Hdd Drives, which ar F and G.

Yesterday, when I started the system, I tried to log onto drive
g. Windows reported a drive error. Of course, being Windows, the
operating system did not tell me what type of error was affecting
the drive, only that Windows could not access it.

I ran CMD, and in the DOS shell window, I used CHKDSK with the /f
switch. CHKDSK, reported that it could not attempt to scan the
drive because of a drive error and closed itself and returned me
to the DOS Shell window.

My question is, is anyone on this list, using a good disk repair
utility, which is accessible using JAWS
At present, I have no idea, as to whether the problem is with
the partition, its format or the problem is with the files which
hold the information about the data stored on the drive.

Any Suggestions please.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber



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moderated Re: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly

Mike B
 

Try checking your, Say All, settings in both the Settings Center and Jaws quick settings, Insert + V, while in any application.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

----- Original Message -----
From: Sameer
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly

 
Greetings, Mike.
 
I already have the JAWS settings set to the ones mentioned in your mail.
 
Also, this problem of JAWS treating digits appearing before & after a comma as seperate sets of digits happens only when in say all mode. This problem does not happen when reading line by line.
 
Regards
Mr. Sameer Latey
Mulund, Mumbai
 
From: Mike B
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 5:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly
 
Howdy Mr. Latey,
 
Try the following:
Note: If you want to make these settings in a particular application / program, then open the application / program & open the Settings Center while in
the application / program & skip step #2.  If you want these settings for all applications follow all the steps below.
 
1. Open the Settings Center with, Insert / Jaws key + 6, on the number row above the main keyboard.
2. Press, Control, Shift, + D, to open Setting Center default all applications.
3. Arrow down to, Text Processing, & right arrow to open.
4. Arrow down 1 time to, Number & Date Processing, & right arrow to open.
Note: If you want the date to read correctly when it's in a number format, arrow down 1 time to, Numeric Date Processing, press the spacebar to toggle
through your options, & stop when Jaws reports, Some Translation.
5. Arrow down 1 time to, Number Processing, press the spacebar to toggle through the options.  Stop when Jaws reports, Controlled By Synthesizer.
6. Arrow down to, Speak Single Digits, right arrow to open, arrow down to, If Number Contains, press the spacebar to toggle through the options, & stop
when Jaws reports, Controlled By The Synthesizer.
7. Arrow down to, If number contains dashes, this box needs to be checked.
8. If you want dollar & cents amounts reported correctly, arrow down to, Speak Dollars, & make sure this box is checked.
9. Tab to, Apply, press the spacebar, tab to, Okay, press enter to save your changes & close the Settings Center.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Sameer
To: JFW Group
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 11:49 PM
Subject: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly
 
 
Dear Listers,
 
When reading numbers seperated by commas, JAWS will speak the digits before & after the comma as if they were seperate sets. For example, when reading 7,000 it will read 7 & 000 with a small pause in between instead of reading it as seven thousand. This happens only in Microsoft Word & not in Wordpad, Windows Live Mail or in browsers.
 
I am using JAWS 2019 on a Windows 10 machine with Office 2016. Also, this problem does not happen when using JAWS 18 on the same machine.
 
Kindly advise how I can stop JAWS from speaking the digits before & after the comma as seperate sets of digits.
 
Thanking all in advance for any assistance.
 
Regards
Mr. Sameer Latey
Mulund, Mumbai

moderated Re: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly

Sameer
 

 
I am using Eloquence.
 
I will try with the Vocaliser voices.
 
Regards
Mr. Sameer Latey
Mulund, Mumbai
 

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 8:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly
 

Which synthesizer are you using?

 

I just tried this in Word 2016 with Jaws 2019, latest, using Vocalizer Expressive Tom.

I wrote out several numbers  in Word from 4 to 9 digits and all spoke correctly in Say All.

I noticed in the number settings in Jaws settings, there is an option for when 5 or more digits; but that seemed related to date processing, I ran that up to 8 digits, but it made no difference in how the large numbers are read.  They are spoken for me like 10,500,000 is said 10 million, five hundred thousand.  With a dollar sign it speaks dollars.

Again, this was in a word document using say all.

 

Having said that, there are some odd issues with Jaws 2019 that effect some but not others.

For me, it is desktop shortcut keys work with jaws 2018 but not 2019.  This is a strange Jaws release, even though it brought some great new features…

 

Richard

 

 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sameer
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 6:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly

 

 

Greetings, Mike.

 

I already have the JAWS settings set to the ones mentioned in your mail.

 

Also, this problem of JAWS treating digits appearing before & after a comma as seperate sets of digits happens only when in say all mode. This problem does not happen when reading line by line.

 

Regards

Mr. Sameer Latey
Mulund, Mumbai

 

From: Mike B

Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 5:40 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly

 

Howdy Mr. Latey,

 

Try the following:
Note: If you want to make these settings in a particular application / program, then open the application / program & open the Settings Center while in
the application / program & skip step #2.  If you want these settings for all applications follow all the steps below.
 
1. Open the Settings Center with, Insert / Jaws key + 6, on the number row above the main keyboard.
2. Press, Control, Shift, + D, to open Setting Center default all applications.
3. Arrow down to, Text Processing, & right arrow to open.
4. Arrow down 1 time to, Number & Date Processing, & right arrow to open.
Note: If you want the date to read correctly when it's in a number format, arrow down 1 time to, Numeric Date Processing, press the spacebar to toggle
through your options, & stop when Jaws reports, Some Translation.
5. Arrow down 1 time to, Number Processing, press the spacebar to toggle through the options.  Stop when Jaws reports, Controlled By Synthesizer.
6. Arrow down to, Speak Single Digits, right arrow to open, arrow down to, If Number Contains, press the spacebar to toggle through the options, & stop
when Jaws reports, Controlled By The Synthesizer.
7. Arrow down to, If number contains dashes, this box needs to be checked.
8. If you want dollar & cents amounts reported correctly, arrow down to, Speak Dollars, & make sure this box is checked.
9. Tab to, Apply, press the spacebar, tab to, Okay, press enter to save your changes & close the Settings Center.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Sameer

To: JFW Group

Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 11:49 PM

Subject: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly

 

 

Dear Listers,

 

When reading numbers seperated by commas, JAWS will speak the digits before & after the comma as if they were seperate sets. For example, when reading 7,000 it will read 7 & 000 with a small pause in between instead of reading it as seven thousand. This happens only in Microsoft Word & not in Wordpad, Windows Live Mail or in browsers.

 

I am using JAWS 2019 on a Windows 10 machine with Office 2016. Also, this problem does not happen when using JAWS 18 on the same machine.

 

Kindly advise how I can stop JAWS from speaking the digits before & after the comma as seperate sets of digits.

 

Thanking all in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards

Mr. Sameer Latey
Mulund, Mumbai

moderated Re: Disk repair utility, usable with JAWS

John Covici
 

You might also want to check the drive periodically with smartmontools
and if the reallocated sectors are anything but 0, get a new drive.

On Sat, 24 Aug 2019 11:51:48 -0400,
Dave Durber wrote:

Hello Chris:

I just checked the hard drives serial number, on the Western
Digital web site, and discovered, that the drive is over five
years old, it has served me well. So, off to hard drive heaven it
goes.

I have decided to order a 3 TB hard drive, which is the same size
as the external drive which has the data recovered from the
defective drive. When it comes, I will use Image for Windows to
copy the partitions stored on the external hard drive to the new
internal hard drive, which will save time in initializing,
partitioning, formatting and then copying the data.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Hill"
<hillco@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: Disk repair utility, usable with JAWS


Hello. Sounds like you did the right things, except for one. If
a drive gives you errors, and you manage to fix it using the
process you used, you may not want to trust it again. Hard
drives are cheap, and data is hard to replace. I had a drive in
a laptop that failed in a similar manner to yours. I was able
to write zeros to it and get it going again. Six months later
the whole disaster began again with another bad sector in a bad
spot making it unreliable. I finally put in a new drive and
restored the backup. That was the true fix to the problem.


Good luck.


CH



On 8/24/2019 09:35, Dave Durber wrote:
Hello John

Thank you for your suggestions. In addition, I would also like
to thank others on this list for their suggestions.

It has beena week or 2 since I posed my original question.

Later that day, a friend came round and after I told him my
problem, he said that he had the Ontrac data recovery software
on his system. I took the drive out of the particular computer
and, along with that hard drive, an additional USB hard drive
and a USB 2.5/3.5 inch docking station we went to his house.

Please note: the latest version of the Ontrac Data Recovery
software, is not accessible to any screen reading software. I
tried it before my friend came to my house.

Once he had run the Ontrac software and performed a scan on
the troublesome hard drive, to my enormous relief and enormous
good luck, he was able to recover all the data on the drive
and copy it to the spare hard drive. The software, did report
some problems with some sectors on the drive, fortunately,
there was no data in those sectors.

When I got home, I reinstalled the hard drive in the
computer. As the hard drive is a Western Digital hard drive, I
downloaded and installed their Data Lifeguard software.

As I had all the data from the drive stored on another
drive. I decided to choose the option to write zeros to the
entire drive, in effect, returning the drive to the state it
was in when I purchased it. The function completed
successfully, with no errors.

Once that was done, I used the windows Disk Management
utility, to initialize, partition and format the drive.

I then used CHKDSK, with the /f switch, to check the drive. It
came back with no errors.

I restarted the computer and used CHKDSK, with the /F switch
again, and again, the program came back with no errors.

I restored the data from the backup drive to the original
drive. So, everything is back to normal.

I will check the drive regularly to check reliability.

----- Original Message ----- From: "John Covici" <covici@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: Disk repair utility, usable with JAWS


I would get smartmontools and see what it says about your drive.
Also, a great utility for disk repair is spinwrite at www.grc.com.

On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 06:00:21 -0400,
Dave Durber wrote:

Hello Everyone:

I have a system running Windows 7 Professional 64 BIT, which I
intend upgrading to Windows 10 when I get a new Motherboard for
it. I have JAWS 2018 installed on it. In addition to the CD-DVD
ROM, it has a 120 GB SSD, which is the system drive, and 2 1 TB
Hdd Drives, which ar F and G.

Yesterday, when I started the system, I tried to log onto drive
g. Windows reported a drive error. Of course, being Windows, the
operating system did not tell me what type of error was affecting
the drive, only that Windows could not access it.

I ran CMD, and in the DOS shell window, I used CHKDSK with the /f
switch. CHKDSK, reported that it could not attempt to scan the
drive because of a drive error and closed itself and returned me
to the DOS Shell window.

My question is, is anyone on this list, using a good disk repair
utility, which is accessible using JAWS
At present, I have no idea, as to whether the problem is with
the partition, its format or the problem is with the files which
hold the information about the data stored on the drive.

Any Suggestions please.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber



--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...







--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...

moderated Re: Unable to move into different email folders

Don Walls
 

Brian, thanks very much for your swift and helpful reply.  Much appreciated!
 
Don
 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Unable to move into different email folders
 
Don,

             Not trying to revive the IMAP/POP wars, as everyone knows where I stand, but if your e-mail access is IMAP, there are a couple of things I'd suggest both as diagnostics and that should eventually resolve this:

1.  Try a different e-mail client, Thunderbird springs to mind, temporarily to see if this same behavior exhibits itself there.  The fact that your provider allowed an 8-day outage is just jaw dropping, and I suspect there are issues still on their end.

2.  Try deleting your account under WLM, then re-creating it again.   You lose nothing this way if you've used IMAP access and IMAP storage folders, all of which are server side, and all of which just re-sync when the account is created again.   There could be something that somehow has become corrupted on the WLM side with your account, and starting fresh with WLM needing to create all the support structures on its side for that account might cure that.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer

moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

khalfan bin dhaher <khalfan.bindhaher@...>
 

I love this group and how everyone is active and kind to us. Hope this continues.
Regards.
Khalfan.

moderated Re: Disk repair utility, usable with JAWS

Dave Durber
 

Hello Chris:

I just checked the hard drives serial number, on the Western Digital web site, and discovered, that the drive is over five years old, it has served me well. So, off to hard drive heaven it goes.

I have decided to order a 3 TB hard drive, which is the same size as the external drive which has the data recovered from the defective drive. When it comes, I will use Image for Windows to copy the partitions stored on the external hard drive to the new internal hard drive, which will save time in initializing, partitioning, formatting and then copying the data.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Hill" <hillco@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: Disk repair utility, usable with JAWS


Hello. Sounds like you did the right things, except for one. If a drive gives you errors, and you manage to fix it using the process you used, you may not want to trust it again. Hard drives are cheap, and data is hard to replace. I had a drive in a laptop that failed in a similar manner to yours. I was able to write zeros to it and get it going again. Six months later the whole disaster began again with another bad sector in a bad spot making it unreliable. I finally put in a new drive and restored the backup. That was the true fix to the problem.


Good luck.


CH



On 8/24/2019 09:35, Dave Durber wrote:
Hello John

Thank you for your suggestions. In addition, I would also like to thank others on this list for their suggestions.

It has beena week or 2 since I posed my original question.

Later that day, a friend came round and after I told him my problem, he said that he had the Ontrac data recovery software on his system. I took the drive out of the particular computer and, along with that hard drive, an additional USB hard drive and a USB 2.5/3.5 inch docking station we went to his house.

Please note: the latest version of the Ontrac Data Recovery software, is not accessible to any screen reading software. I tried it before my friend came to my house.

Once he had run the Ontrac software and performed a scan on the troublesome hard drive, to my enormous relief and enormous good luck, he was able to recover all the data on the drive and copy it to the spare hard drive. The software, did report some problems with some sectors on the drive, fortunately, there was no data in those sectors.

When I got home, I reinstalled the hard drive in the computer. As the hard drive is a Western Digital hard drive, I downloaded and installed their Data Lifeguard software.

As I had all the data from the drive stored on another drive. I decided to choose the option to write zeros to the entire drive, in effect, returning the drive to the state it was in when I purchased it. The function completed successfully, with no errors.

Once that was done, I used the windows Disk Management utility, to initialize, partition and format the drive.

I then used CHKDSK, with the /f switch, to check the drive. It came back with no errors.

I restarted the computer and used CHKDSK, with the /F switch again, and again, the program came back with no errors.

I restored the data from the backup drive to the original drive. So, everything is back to normal.

I will check the drive regularly to check reliability.

----- Original Message ----- From: "John Covici" <covici@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: Disk repair utility, usable with JAWS


I would get smartmontools and see what it says about your drive.
Also, a great utility for disk repair is spinwrite at www.grc.com.

On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 06:00:21 -0400,
Dave Durber wrote:

Hello Everyone:

I have a system running Windows 7 Professional 64 BIT, which I
intend upgrading to Windows 10 when I get a new Motherboard for
it. I have JAWS 2018 installed on it. In addition to the CD-DVD
ROM, it has a 120 GB SSD, which is the system drive, and 2 1 TB
Hdd Drives, which ar F and G.

Yesterday, when I started the system, I tried to log onto drive
g. Windows reported a drive error. Of course, being Windows, the
operating system did not tell me what type of error was affecting
the drive, only that Windows could not access it.

I ran CMD, and in the DOS shell window, I used CHKDSK with the /f
switch. CHKDSK, reported that it could not attempt to scan the
drive because of a drive error and closed itself and returned me
to the DOS Shell window.

My question is, is anyone on this list, using a good disk repair
utility, which is accessible using JAWS
At present, I have no idea, as to whether the problem is with
the partition, its format or the problem is with the files which
hold the information about the data stored on the drive.

Any Suggestions please.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber



--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...




moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

Richard Turner
 

You said, “This is all the detritus of a competing group having been blown up by its owner, without warning, and the aftermath of same.”

 

In fact, David had warned that he was going to take down the list if the behavior continued at least two times that I recall, but kept it going for the sake of those who needed it.

People pushed him over the edge.

I will not continue this thread.

 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 8:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

 

This is all the detritus of a competing group having been blown up by its owner, without warning, and the aftermath of same.  In reading posts from this list and the other one, I tend to agree.  It all sounds very petty and some have posted 10 times in one day. It reminded me of what a blind person told me year’s ago, “By enlarge most blind people do not have a life so all they do is post to groups.” When someone posts 10 times to the new group in one day, they give Creedence to that comment.                 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: August 22, 2019 11:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

 

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 02:16 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:

This is the first I’ve heard of it. If not, what exactly is the issue with this list specifically to make this happen?

Tyler,

            You know that I like you, and we've had plenty of private exchanges by e-mail, but for the love of heaven please review the messages from this very list from the last few days!!

             This list, the JAWS for Windows Users Support List, is neither being migrated or going anywhere.   This is all the detritus of a competing group having been blown up by its owner, without warning, and the aftermath of same.

              Information, complete information, regarding the replacement list that sprung up, that I truly think should not have, has been supplied already for anyone who wishes to join "the replacement group."

              There is absolutely no need, let alone a pressing one, for a different JAWS Users Group for English speaking JAWS users on Groups.io.   This one is of longstanding, very active, and very welcoming.   It's more than sufficient, and it avoids fragmentation.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer

moderated Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

David & his pack of dogs
 

This is all the detritus of a competing group having been blown up by its owner, without warning, and the aftermath of same.  In reading posts from this list and the other one, I tend to agree.  It all sounds very petty and some have posted 10 times in one day. It reminded me of what a blind person told me year’s ago, “By enlarge most blind people do not have a life so all they do is post to groups.” When someone posts 10 times to the new group in one day, they give Creedence to that comment.                 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: August 22, 2019 11:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: how does one join the new JAWS list

 

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 02:16 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:

This is the first I’ve heard of it. If not, what exactly is the issue with this list specifically to make this happen?

Tyler,

            You know that I like you, and we've had plenty of private exchanges by e-mail, but for the love of heaven please review the messages from this very list from the last few days!!

             This list, the JAWS for Windows Users Support List, is neither being migrated or going anywhere.   This is all the detritus of a competing group having been blown up by its owner, without warning, and the aftermath of same.

              Information, complete information, regarding the replacement list that sprung up, that I truly think should not have, has been supplied already for anyone who wishes to join "the replacement group."

              There is absolutely no need, let alone a pressing one, for a different JAWS Users Group for English speaking JAWS users on Groups.io.   This one is of longstanding, very active, and very welcoming.   It's more than sufficient, and it avoids fragmentation.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer

moderated Re: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly

Richard Turner
 

Which synthesizer are you using?

 

I just tried this in Word 2016 with Jaws 2019, latest, using Vocalizer Expressive Tom.

I wrote out several numbers  in Word from 4 to 9 digits and all spoke correctly in Say All.

I noticed in the number settings in Jaws settings, there is an option for when 5 or more digits; but that seemed related to date processing, I ran that up to 8 digits, but it made no difference in how the large numbers are read.  They are spoken for me like 10,500,000 is said 10 million, five hundred thousand.  With a dollar sign it speaks dollars.

Again, this was in a word document using say all.

 

Having said that, there are some odd issues with Jaws 2019 that effect some but not others.

For me, it is desktop shortcut keys work with jaws 2018 but not 2019.  This is a strange Jaws release, even though it brought some great new features…

 

Richard

 

 

Richard

 

🖖 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sameer
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 6:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly

 

 

Greetings, Mike.

 

I already have the JAWS settings set to the ones mentioned in your mail.

 

Also, this problem of JAWS treating digits appearing before & after a comma as seperate sets of digits happens only when in say all mode. This problem does not happen when reading line by line.

 

Regards

Mr. Sameer Latey
Mulund, Mumbai

 

From: Mike B

Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 5:40 PM

Subject: Re: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly

 

Howdy Mr. Latey,

 

Try the following:
Note: If you want to make these settings in a particular application / program, then open the application / program & open the Settings Center while in
the application / program & skip step #2.  If you want these settings for all applications follow all the steps below.
 
1. Open the Settings Center with, Insert / Jaws key + 6, on the number row above the main keyboard.
2. Press, Control, Shift, + D, to open Setting Center default all applications.
3. Arrow down to, Text Processing, & right arrow to open.
4. Arrow down 1 time to, Number & Date Processing, & right arrow to open.
Note: If you want the date to read correctly when it's in a number format, arrow down 1 time to, Numeric Date Processing, press the spacebar to toggle
through your options, & stop when Jaws reports, Some Translation.
5. Arrow down 1 time to, Number Processing, press the spacebar to toggle through the options.  Stop when Jaws reports, Controlled By Synthesizer.
6. Arrow down to, Speak Single Digits, right arrow to open, arrow down to, If Number Contains, press the spacebar to toggle through the options, & stop
when Jaws reports, Controlled By The Synthesizer.
7. Arrow down to, If number contains dashes, this box needs to be checked.
8. If you want dollar & cents amounts reported correctly, arrow down to, Speak Dollars, & make sure this box is checked.
9. Tab to, Apply, press the spacebar, tab to, Okay, press enter to save your changes & close the Settings Center.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Sameer

To: JFW Group

Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 11:49 PM

Subject: JAWS 2019 not reading numbers properly

 

 

Dear Listers,

 

When reading numbers seperated by commas, JAWS will speak the digits before & after the comma as if they were seperate sets. For example, when reading 7,000 it will read 7 & 000 with a small pause in between instead of reading it as seven thousand. This happens only in Microsoft Word & not in Wordpad, Windows Live Mail or in browsers.

 

I am using JAWS 2019 on a Windows 10 machine with Office 2016. Also, this problem does not happen when using JAWS 18 on the same machine.

 

Kindly advise how I can stop JAWS from speaking the digits before & after the comma as seperate sets of digits.

 

Thanking all in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards

Mr. Sameer Latey
Mulund, Mumbai

moderated Re: Unable to move into different email folders

 

Don,

             Not trying to revive the IMAP/POP wars, as everyone knows where I stand, but if your e-mail access is IMAP, there are a couple of things I'd suggest both as diagnostics and that should eventually resolve this:

1.  Try a different e-mail client, Thunderbird springs to mind, temporarily to see if this same behavior exhibits itself there.  The fact that your provider allowed an 8-day outage is just jaw dropping, and I suspect there are issues still on their end.

2.  Try deleting your account under WLM, then re-creating it again.   You lose nothing this way if you've used IMAP access and IMAP storage folders, all of which are server side, and all of which just re-sync when the account is created again.   There could be something that somehow has become corrupted on the WLM side with your account, and starting fresh with WLM needing to create all the support structures on its side for that account might cure that.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer