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moderated Re: New computer specs

David & his pack of dogs
 

Tylor, sorry your post reminded me of a woman who years ago said she didn't
need a car to get around. Why? Because she was getting other people to
ferry her around. She was not even taking the bus, others would drive her
around in their own vehicles. My cousin told her mother she could get by on
$20 worth of gas per month. She left out the fact that she was getting
others to drive her around too. Anyone could make $20 in gas last for a
month if it just sat in their drive. My point? If your parents don't use
their computer that much they don't need a big hard drive. Btw, I too use an
external hard drive and had a SSD installed in this computer, mainly because
the drive was so old. It was so old that when I took it to a tech to see if
it could be used as an external hard drive, I was told they could not
recover anything on it. Which meant it was destined for the garbage, no use
could ever be got out of it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: August 25, 2019 9:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

You've certainly got a point there, but your use case may be far different
than others. Some people don't use half of 128 gb, for example.
My parents have a Toshiba laptop from 2012 with a 256 gb drive. They haven't
used half of it since they've had it - and that also includes their pictures
and videos, though those are backed up to an external hard drive, which is
my recommendation for most things people would like to keep long term.
That being said if you can afford to get 512 gb, it isn't a bad thing at all
since this is an investment of your money and if this is going to be your
primary machine, it might be worth your while.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G
Sent: August 25, 2019 11:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

256GB is not all that much when you factor in OS/ software, files, media and
back ups over a 6 year period. from devices.


Feliciano
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On Aug 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

Hi,
The GPU does not free up the processor whatsoever and, in fact, is a
completely different animal than a processor.
The GPU in your machine may not, in fact, be used if you are getting
15 hours of batterylife. There is something called Optymous technology
from Nvidia that when used, allows the independent graphics card to
power off while the dedicated Intel HD graphics does its thing, and
that sounds exactly what is going on in your use case.
Few people seem to realize that shift f10 performs the exact same
action as applications key - and barring that, you can use sharp keys
to remap a key to the right of the space bar to that if you so choose.

Regarding the comment about an SSD not lasting long - I have a Toshiba
laptop here from 2012 that still has 85% of its life remaining. In
that time I have had 5 mechanical drives fail, without warning, and
only 2 of which made any actual noise to tell me so. These days if a
laptop or computer in general does not shut down, you will get a
message popping up on screen from your screen reader if you have it
set to run at log on, telling you the following programs are still
running in the background and giving you the option to shut down
anyway or cancel. The benefits of a solid state drive to batterylife
and speed are so beyond amazing compared with a spinning mechanical
drive. Expect the machine to boot in less than 30 seconds regardless
what programs run at startup - add another 15 or 20, maybe, to get
said programs running. You can start using the machine as soon as the
screen reader is running, no more waiting to get to the desktop to
check a simple email or modify one line in a word document. Resuming
from
sleep happens in less than 1.5 seconds these days.
Far more pluses than drawbacks, in my view.

Just my $.02!



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: August 25, 2019 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Hi all,

Until recently, I always bought computers with i5 processors but I
find they often lag and Outlook seems to open and close itself
regularly, which is very annoying!

I usually have several docs and several apps open at the same time so
a couple of weeks ago I bought a laptop with an I7 processor and 16 gb
ram. It seems to be working well with minimal lags.

I was considering Dell Latitude and the Lenovo models but they didn't
have all the keys on the keyboard. None of the Lenovo models had an
apps key and I can't remember which key Dell didn't have.

In the end I settled for The ruggedised HP ProBook 640 G4 with 16GB
RAM and upgraded warranty. It has an I7 processor, 16 gb ram, 512 gb
SSD storage, 15 hours battery life, NVDIA graphics card, and all the
keys (except a numpad which I don't need anyway).

It's a little heavier than I was hoping for at 1.8 kg but I'm willing
to sacrifice the weight for a long battery life and an independent
graphics card. NVDIA and AMD are apparently the only two independent
graphics cards that work well with Jaws. I specifically wanted an
independent graphics card in order to free up the processor so I can
do the things I need to do with minimal lags.

I use Microsoft Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Outlook (Including calendar),
and whatever else I need to work with and can access. I also test
websites and some accessibility ttools, though I haven't found any
that I
like yet.

I feel like I'm writing for a job application. Lol! But I hope this
helps you, Andrew, in your decision for a new laptop. Good luck.

Zel
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2019 2:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

That was going to be my comment as well, if all you do is run Windows
10 and maybe Office and you mostly store documents and not thousands
and thousands of pictures or, even worse, videos there is probably no
need for anything larger. Having said this when it comes to price and
what you get for it a 500Gb or, as some manufacturers specify, a 512Gb
SSD seems to be in the sweet spot right now.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn /
Lenny
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 9:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective.
I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD.
Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case.
Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all?
I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail,
open some web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and
listen to some
MP3 audio.
All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs


A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much. I think he
was dipping into some sort of sauce. I received what I was told was
a refurbished Win 10 computer with 250 Gs hard drive. It turned out
to be a windows 7 originally and you could make dinner by the time
it booted
up.
Thus, I agree with Feliciano.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano
G
Sent: August 24, 2019 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

I suggest you upgrade to a 512 GB solid-state drive.

Feliciano
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www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v those who are crazy enough to think they
can change the world are the ones who do. -Steve Jobs

On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Andrew Diederick
<andrew.diederick@...>
wrote:

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of
these
specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I
should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew





















moderated Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Tim Ford
 

Hi All,

I know this is a low-tech solution, but it is easy and cheap. Use a pair of
earbuds for JAWS, and put the phone headset on over that. Works like a
charm. If you find JAWS is too prominent, just take out one of the earbuds.

Tim Ford

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 9:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Is there a way to trick it so that JAWS and the phone come out of the
same ear? It's stereo, right? If I plug in a monaural adaptor would
that make both ears the same? Does the headset have a mike that
talks to the phone???
At 08:53 AM 8/25/2019, you wrote:
Plantronics does offer a duel channel headphone where you can listen to
jaws
on one side and the individual on the phone, on the other. I do have this
exact headset and it works excellently.

Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 9:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS and phone in the same input

Still looking for a way for someone to hear/speak into the phone and also
listen to JAWS at the same time. Will Plantronics do this, does anyone
know?

thanks






moderated Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Ann Byrne
 

Here is the problem: we don't know what the final situation will be. He is looking for a job in customer service. He needs to be able to demonstrate that he can do the job with ... something. No vision and one ear is hard to sell, unless of course he can point to a configured device and show how it will work, perhaps with any system.

moderated Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Ann Byrne
 

Is there a way to trick it so that JAWS and the phone come out of the same ear? It's stereo, right? If I plug in a monaural adaptor would that make both ears the same? Does the headset have a mike that talks to the phone???

At 08:53 AM 8/25/2019, you wrote:
Plantronics does offer a duel channel headphone where you can listen to jaws
on one side and the individual on the phone, on the other. I do have this
exact headset and it works excellently.

Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 9:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS and phone in the same input

Still looking for a way for someone to hear/speak into the phone and also
listen to JAWS at the same time. Will Plantronics do this, does anyone
know?

thanks






moderated Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Rick Mladek
 

Hi,

MODEL: SMH1783-11
MANUFACTURER: PLANTRONICS

Link below will take you to one whom is selling this product.

Be sure to notice the point where you will need to purchase an extra usb connector/adaptor if needed.

https://headsetplus.com/product1935/product_info.html

You can always find this elsewhere, as well...

Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 10:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Which model is this?

Is this over Bluetooth with a VOIP phone that is run through the computer?

I came in late on this, so sorry if that was already covered but I didn't find the previous conversation.


Richard

🖖 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 6:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Plantronics does offer a duel channel headphone where you can listen to jaws on one side and the individual on the phone, on the other. I do have this exact headset and it works excellently.

Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 9:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS and phone in the same input

Still looking for a way for someone to hear/speak into the phone and also listen to JAWS at the same time. Will Plantronics do this, does anyone know?

thanks

moderated Re: New computer specs

Tyler Wood
 

You've certainly got a point there, but your use case may be far different
than others. Some people don't use half of 128 gb, for example.
My parents have a Toshiba laptop from 2012 with a 256 gb drive. They haven't
used half of it since they've had it - and that also includes their pictures
and videos, though those are backed up to an external hard drive, which is
my recommendation for most things people would like to keep long term.
That being said if you can afford to get 512 gb, it isn't a bad thing at all
since this is an investment of your money and if this is going to be your
primary machine, it might be worth your while.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G
Sent: August 25, 2019 11:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

256GB is not all that much when you factor in OS/ software, files, media and
back ups over a 6 year period. from devices.


Feliciano
For tech tips and updates:
LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v
those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones
who do. -Steve Jobs

On Aug 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

Hi,
The GPU does not free up the processor whatsoever and, in fact, is a
completely different animal than a processor.
The GPU in your machine may not, in fact, be used if you are getting
15 hours of batterylife. There is something called Optymous technology
from Nvidia that when used, allows the independent graphics card to
power off while the dedicated Intel HD graphics does its thing, and
that sounds exactly what is going on in your use case.
Few people seem to realize that shift f10 performs the exact same
action as applications key - and barring that, you can use sharp keys
to remap a key to the right of the space bar to that if you so choose.

Regarding the comment about an SSD not lasting long - I have a Toshiba
laptop here from 2012 that still has 85% of its life remaining. In
that time I have had 5 mechanical drives fail, without warning, and
only 2 of which made any actual noise to tell me so. These days if a
laptop or computer in general does not shut down, you will get a
message popping up on screen from your screen reader if you have it
set to run at log on, telling you the following programs are still
running in the background and giving you the option to shut down
anyway or cancel. The benefits of a solid state drive to batterylife
and speed are so beyond amazing compared with a spinning mechanical
drive. Expect the machine to boot in less than 30 seconds regardless
what programs run at startup - add another 15 or 20, maybe, to get
said programs running. You can start using the machine as soon as the
screen reader is running, no more waiting to get to the desktop to
check a simple email or modify one line in a word document. Resuming from
sleep happens in less than 1.5 seconds these days.
Far more pluses than drawbacks, in my view.

Just my $.02!



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: August 25, 2019 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Hi all,

Until recently, I always bought computers with i5 processors but I
find they often lag and Outlook seems to open and close itself
regularly, which is very annoying!

I usually have several docs and several apps open at the same time so
a couple of weeks ago I bought a laptop with an I7 processor and 16 gb
ram. It seems to be working well with minimal lags.

I was considering Dell Latitude and the Lenovo models but they didn't
have all the keys on the keyboard. None of the Lenovo models had an
apps key and I can't remember which key Dell didn't have.

In the end I settled for The ruggedised HP ProBook 640 G4 with 16GB
RAM and upgraded warranty. It has an I7 processor, 16 gb ram, 512 gb
SSD storage, 15 hours battery life, NVDIA graphics card, and all the
keys (except a numpad which I don't need anyway).

It's a little heavier than I was hoping for at 1.8 kg but I'm willing
to sacrifice the weight for a long battery life and an independent
graphics card. NVDIA and AMD are apparently the only two independent
graphics cards that work well with Jaws. I specifically wanted an
independent graphics card in order to free up the processor so I can
do the things I need to do with minimal lags.

I use Microsoft Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Outlook (Including calendar),
and whatever else I need to work with and can access. I also test
websites and some accessibility ttools, though I haven't found any that I
like yet.

I feel like I'm writing for a job application. Lol! But I hope this
helps you, Andrew, in your decision for a new laptop. Good luck.

Zel
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2019 2:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

That was going to be my comment as well, if all you do is run Windows
10 and maybe Office and you mostly store documents and not thousands
and thousands of pictures or, even worse, videos there is probably no
need for anything larger. Having said this when it comes to price and
what you get for it a 500Gb or, as some manufacturers specify, a 512Gb
SSD seems to be in the sweet spot right now.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn /
Lenny
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 9:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective.
I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD.
Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case.
Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all?
I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail,
open some web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and
listen to some
MP3 audio.
All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs


A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much. I think he
was dipping into some sort of sauce. I received what I was told was
a refurbished Win 10 computer with 250 Gs hard drive. It turned out
to be a windows 7 originally and you could make dinner by the time
it booted
up.
Thus, I agree with Feliciano.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano
G
Sent: August 24, 2019 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

I suggest you upgrade to a 512 GB solid-state drive.

Feliciano
For tech tips and updates:
LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Follow
www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v those who are crazy enough to think they
can change the world are the ones who do. -Steve Jobs

On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Andrew Diederick
<andrew.diederick@...>
wrote:

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of
these
specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I
should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew





















moderated Re: New computer specs

Tyler Wood
 

I remember those days, though it has been quite some time.

Intel hd graphics is more than sufficient these days. I remember when having a dedicated GPU helped screen reader performance in web browsing - but this isn't the case any more - and if you have no use cases for a dedicated card, put that money towards warranty, more ram, or drive storage. Everyone goes on about how horrible Intel Atom processors are, but my t100, 5 years later, still gets 20 hours of batterylife, still does the basic tasks, and cost me less than $500 when I bought it. I will preach this. Solid state drives are 99% of your performance gains these days. Processors don't mean anything if you have a spinning drive to go along with them if you are being bottlenecked by your mechanical hard drive. That is not to say they are no longer valid. I back up to them regularly. But expect them to fail - solid state technology has come so far that this is far less likely with them, though it can still doubtlessly happen, just like anything else, and backing up is something far too many take for granted.
I'm very happy I got Lenovo 3 year on site and tech replacement warranty as well as accident protection. I got this machine at a fantastic price, though, otherwise I was looking at the Dell Latitude series. The really nice thing about this machine is despite how thin it is, the back comes off with just a few screws, and the ram, storage, wireless card, battery, and fans are readily available, which makes it nice and easy if I need anything replaced.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: August 25, 2019 10:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

I recall that there were issues with graphics cards from ATI. most of the time, NVIDIA cards worked okay. but that hasn't been an issue for some time.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Richard Turner [mailto:richardturner42@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Sunday, August 25, 2019, 12:59 AM
Subject: New computer specs

The only reason to have the faster processors is if you are editing large audio or video files and multitasking with some processor heavy software, which most people do not do.
And, if I remember correctly; which may be a big if, those graphic cards he mentioned have been problematic with Jaws.
Unless he has some software that is requiring it, which would be surprising.
I will never go back to a standard HD drive after using my SSD drive now for a year.


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.


On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:52 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

Hi,
This is completely, 100% true.
Although using a solid state drive in 2019 is almost a must - at least for those that have experienced one. But so far as other sspecs are concerned there are too many people out there that equate an i7 or i9 to being better and that simply isn't true for just about 99% of use case scenarios.
Now that I look back at the specs, what are you needing a dedicated Nvidia Graphics card for in particular? Intel hd graphics does just fine so far as Jaws is concerned.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: August 24, 2019 11:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective.
I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD.
Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case.
Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all?
I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail, open some web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and listen to some
MP3 audio.
All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs


A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much. I think he was dipping into some sort of sauce. I received what I was told was a refurbished Win 10 computer with 250 Gs hard drive. It turned out to be a windows 7 originally and you could make dinner by the time it booted up.
Thus, I agree with Feliciano.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G
Sent: August 24, 2019 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

I suggest you upgrade to a 512 GB solid-state drive.

Feliciano
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On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@...>
wrote:

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of these specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew

moderated Re: New computer specs

Feliciano G
 

256GB is not all that much when you factor in OS/ software, files, media and back ups over a 6 year period. from devices.


Feliciano
For tech tips and updates:
LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
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those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do. -Steve Jobs

On Aug 25, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

Hi,
The GPU does not free up the processor whatsoever and, in fact, is a
completely different animal than a processor.
The GPU in your machine may not, in fact, be used if you are getting 15
hours of batterylife. There is something called Optymous technology from
Nvidia that when used, allows the independent graphics card to power off
while the dedicated Intel HD graphics does its thing, and that sounds
exactly what is going on in your use case.
Few people seem to realize that shift f10 performs the exact same action as
applications key - and barring that, you can use sharp keys to remap a key
to the right of the space bar to that if you so choose.

Regarding the comment about an SSD not lasting long - I have a Toshiba
laptop here from 2012 that still has 85% of its life remaining. In that time
I have had 5 mechanical drives fail, without warning, and only 2 of which
made any actual noise to tell me so. These days if a laptop or computer in
general does not shut down, you will get a message popping up on screen from
your screen reader if you have it set to run at log on, telling you the
following programs are still running in the background and giving you the
option to shut down anyway or cancel. The benefits of a solid state drive to
batterylife and speed are so beyond amazing compared with a spinning
mechanical drive. Expect the machine to boot in less than 30 seconds
regardless what programs run at startup - add another 15 or 20, maybe, to
get said programs running. You can start using the machine as soon as the
screen reader is running, no more waiting to get to the desktop to check a
simple email or modify one line in a word document. Resuming from sleep
happens in less than 1.5 seconds these days.
Far more pluses than drawbacks, in my view.

Just my $.02!



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: August 25, 2019 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Hi all,

Until recently, I always bought computers with i5 processors but I find they
often lag and Outlook seems to open and close itself regularly, which is
very annoying!

I usually have several docs and several apps open at the same time so a
couple of weeks ago I bought a laptop with an I7 processor and 16 gb ram. It
seems to be working well with minimal lags.

I was considering Dell Latitude and the Lenovo models but they didn't have
all the keys on the keyboard. None of the Lenovo models had an apps key and
I can't remember which key Dell didn't have.

In the end I settled for The ruggedised HP ProBook 640 G4 with 16GB RAM and
upgraded warranty. It has an I7 processor, 16 gb ram, 512 gb SSD storage, 15
hours battery life, NVDIA graphics card, and all the keys (except a numpad
which I don't need anyway).

It's a little heavier than I was hoping for at 1.8 kg but I'm willing to
sacrifice the weight for a long battery life and an independent graphics
card. NVDIA and AMD are apparently the only two independent graphics cards
that work well with Jaws. I specifically wanted an independent graphics card
in order to free up the processor so I can do the things I need to do with
minimal lags.

I use Microsoft Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Outlook (Including calendar), and
whatever else I need to work with and can access. I also test websites and
some accessibility ttools, though I haven't found any that I like yet.

I feel like I'm writing for a job application. Lol! But I hope this helps
you, Andrew, in your decision for a new laptop. Good luck.

Zel
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2019 2:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

That was going to be my comment as well, if all you do is run Windows 10 and
maybe Office and you mostly store documents and not thousands and thousands
of pictures or, even worse, videos there is probably no need for anything
larger. Having said this when it comes to price and what you get for it a
500Gb or, as some manufacturers specify, a 512Gb SSD seems to be in the
sweet spot right now.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 9:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective.
I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD.
Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case.
Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all?
I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail, open some
web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and listen to some
MP3 audio.
All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs


A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much. I think he was
dipping into some sort of sauce. I received what I was told was a
refurbished Win 10 computer with 250 Gs hard drive. It turned out to
be a windows 7 originally and you could make dinner by the time it booted
up.
Thus, I agree with Feliciano.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G
Sent: August 24, 2019 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

I suggest you upgrade to a 512 GB solid-state drive.

Feliciano
For tech tips and updates:
LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v
those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the
ones who do. -Steve Jobs

On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Andrew Diederick
<andrew.diederick@...>
wrote:

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of
these
specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should
make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew





















moderated Re: New computer specs

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,
The GPU does not free up the processor whatsoever and, in fact, is a
completely different animal than a processor.
The GPU in your machine may not, in fact, be used if you are getting 15
hours of batterylife. There is something called Optymous technology from
Nvidia that when used, allows the independent graphics card to power off
while the dedicated Intel HD graphics does its thing, and that sounds
exactly what is going on in your use case.
Few people seem to realize that shift f10 performs the exact same action as
applications key - and barring that, you can use sharp keys to remap a key
to the right of the space bar to that if you so choose.

Regarding the comment about an SSD not lasting long - I have a Toshiba
laptop here from 2012 that still has 85% of its life remaining. In that time
I have had 5 mechanical drives fail, without warning, and only 2 of which
made any actual noise to tell me so. These days if a laptop or computer in
general does not shut down, you will get a message popping up on screen from
your screen reader if you have it set to run at log on, telling you the
following programs are still running in the background and giving you the
option to shut down anyway or cancel. The benefits of a solid state drive to
batterylife and speed are so beyond amazing compared with a spinning
mechanical drive. Expect the machine to boot in less than 30 seconds
regardless what programs run at startup - add another 15 or 20, maybe, to
get said programs running. You can start using the machine as soon as the
screen reader is running, no more waiting to get to the desktop to check a
simple email or modify one line in a word document. Resuming from sleep
happens in less than 1.5 seconds these days.
Far more pluses than drawbacks, in my view.

Just my $.02!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: August 25, 2019 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Hi all,

Until recently, I always bought computers with i5 processors but I find they
often lag and Outlook seems to open and close itself regularly, which is
very annoying!

I usually have several docs and several apps open at the same time so a
couple of weeks ago I bought a laptop with an I7 processor and 16 gb ram. It
seems to be working well with minimal lags.

I was considering Dell Latitude and the Lenovo models but they didn't have
all the keys on the keyboard. None of the Lenovo models had an apps key and
I can't remember which key Dell didn't have.

In the end I settled for The ruggedised HP ProBook 640 G4 with 16GB RAM and
upgraded warranty. It has an I7 processor, 16 gb ram, 512 gb SSD storage, 15
hours battery life, NVDIA graphics card, and all the keys (except a numpad
which I don't need anyway).

It's a little heavier than I was hoping for at 1.8 kg but I'm willing to
sacrifice the weight for a long battery life and an independent graphics
card. NVDIA and AMD are apparently the only two independent graphics cards
that work well with Jaws. I specifically wanted an independent graphics card
in order to free up the processor so I can do the things I need to do with
minimal lags.

I use Microsoft Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Outlook (Including calendar), and
whatever else I need to work with and can access. I also test websites and
some accessibility ttools, though I haven't found any that I like yet.

I feel like I'm writing for a job application. Lol! But I hope this helps
you, Andrew, in your decision for a new laptop. Good luck.

Zel
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2019 2:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

That was going to be my comment as well, if all you do is run Windows 10 and
maybe Office and you mostly store documents and not thousands and thousands
of pictures or, even worse, videos there is probably no need for anything
larger. Having said this when it comes to price and what you get for it a
500Gb or, as some manufacturers specify, a 512Gb SSD seems to be in the
sweet spot right now.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 9:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective.
I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD.
Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case.
Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all?
I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail, open some
web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and listen to some
MP3 audio.
All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs


A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much. I think he was
dipping into some sort of sauce. I received what I was told was a
refurbished Win 10 computer with 250 Gs hard drive. It turned out to
be a windows 7 originally and you could make dinner by the time it booted
up.
Thus, I agree with Feliciano.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G
Sent: August 24, 2019 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

I suggest you upgrade to a 512 GB solid-state drive.

Feliciano
For tech tips and updates:
LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v
those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the
ones who do. -Steve Jobs

On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Andrew Diederick
<andrew.diederick@...>
wrote:

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of
these
specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should
make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew









moderated Re: New computer specs

Mario
 

I recall that there were issues with graphics cards from ATI. most of
the time, NVIDIA cards worked okay. but that hasn't been an issue for
some time.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Richard Turner [mailto:richardturner42@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Sunday, August 25, 2019, 12:59 AM
Subject: New computer specs

The only reason to have the faster processors is if you are editing
large audio or video files and multitasking with some processor heavy
software, which most people do not do.
And, if I remember correctly; which may be a big if, those graphic cards
he mentioned have been problematic with Jaws.
Unless he has some software that is requiring it, which would be surprising.
I will never go back to a standard HD drive after using my SSD drive now
for a year.


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.


On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:52 PM, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

Hi,
This is completely, 100% true.
Although using a solid state drive in 2019 is almost a must - at least for
those that have experienced one. But so far as other sspecs are concerned
there are too many people out there that equate an i7 or i9 to being
better
and that simply isn't true for just about 99% of use case scenarios.
Now that I look back at the specs, what are you needing a dedicated Nvidia
Graphics card for in particular? Intel hd graphics does just fine so
far as
Jaws is concerned.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: August 24, 2019 11:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective.
I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD.
Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case.
Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all?
I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail,
open some
web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and listen to some
MP3 audio.
All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs


A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much.  I think he was
dipping into some sort of sauce.  I received what I was told was a
refurbished Win 10 computer with 250 Gs hard drive.  It turned out to
be a  windows 7 originally and you could make dinner by the time it
booted
up.
Thus, I agree with Feliciano.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G
Sent: August 24, 2019 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

I suggest you upgrade to a 512 GB solid-state drive.

Feliciano
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those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the
ones who do. -Steve Jobs

On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Andrew Diederick
<andrew.diederick@...>
wrote:

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of
these
specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should
make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew

moderated Re: RestoringtJaws access

Mario
 

in my experience, it's painfully slow in responding to keystrokes (aside
of expiring after 40 minutes) when JAWS has not been authorized.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Dave Durber [mailto:d.durber@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Sunday, August 25, 2019, 4:37 AM
Subject: RestoringtJaws access

Hello:

Even though JAWS is running in Demo Mode , you have access to all its
functions and features during the 40 minute demo.

HTH

----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Mcdevitt" <jhmcdev@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 4:39 AM
Subject: RestoringtJaws access




Sent from my iPhone hello Group,
Recently I had some issues with my PC which required a complete
reinstallation of windows and the maintenance of other issues.
After bringing it home today I attempted to open Jaws which ended up
being limited to a 40 minute trial mode. As I do not have my
authorization number written down, I probably will not have access to
Jaws until I make contact with freedom scientific this Monday.
In the meantime is there a way that I can access Jaws and itp’s  Full
capacity.
I would appreciate any and all assistance.
Best, Justin








.

moderated Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Richard Turner
 

Which model is this?

Is this over Bluetooth with a VOIP phone that is run through the computer?

I came in late on this, so sorry if that was already covered but I didn't find the previous conversation.


Richard

🖖 Live long and prosper


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 6:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Plantronics does offer a duel channel headphone where you can listen to jaws on one side and the individual on the phone, on the other. I do have this exact headset and it works excellently.

Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 9:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS and phone in the same input

Still looking for a way for someone to hear/speak into the phone and also listen to JAWS at the same time. Will Plantronics do this, does anyone know?

thanks

moderated Re: having trouble with a web page

 

On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 07:08 PM, Jed Barton wrote:
That's certainly interesting. It does
make it confusing for sure.
I, truly, cannot imagine what it's like for screen reader users faced with the continuous changes to web coding that have gone on for years and show no sign of stopping.

No matter how quickly screen reader makers integrate access to what shakes out as "gonna stick around" after a short time, the next round of "let's come up with something else, that doesn't do anything all that much different than established method X, just for the fun of it" occurs.    There are times, and from what I can see on this page as a sighted user, and how that search box works, this would be a major improvement if the screen reader and web object/control played well together, which clearly they do not at the moment.  Maybe eventually they will.

This is one reason, when it's readily available, that I tell my clients not to hesitate to seek sighted assistance when something just isn't working.   You can often spend hours and hours, getting more and more [justifiably] frustrated, and still not achieve the end you're looking for.   The control/object in question was entirely new to me, too, but being able to see what was happening and what the screen reader was/was not doing in response to it made all the difference.  It's about accomplishing something with the minimum of time and trouble possible, which often involves calling for help (whether sighted or not, as this group illustrates on a regular basis).

If you do the above every two seconds, that's when people eventually come at you with knives!  ;-)

 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

Many of the insights of the saint stem from his experience as a sinner.

         ~ Eric Hoffer

moderated Re: New computer specs

David & his pack of dogs
 

Zel, you've got the job. LOL.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: August 25, 2019 6:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

Hi all,

Until recently, I always bought computers with i5 processors but I find they
often lag and Outlook seems to open and close itself regularly, which is
very annoying!

I usually have several docs and several apps open at the same time so a
couple of weeks ago I bought a laptop with an I7 processor and 16 gb ram. It
seems to be working well with minimal lags.

I was considering Dell Latitude and the Lenovo models but they didn't have
all the keys on the keyboard. None of the Lenovo models had an apps key and
I can't remember which key Dell didn't have.

In the end I settled for The ruggedised HP ProBook 640 G4 with 16GB RAM and
upgraded warranty. It has an I7 processor, 16 gb ram, 512 gb SSD storage, 15
hours battery life, NVDIA graphics card, and all the keys (except a numpad
which I don't need anyway).

It's a little heavier than I was hoping for at 1.8 kg but I'm willing to
sacrifice the weight for a long battery life and an independent graphics
card. NVDIA and AMD are apparently the only two independent graphics cards
that work well with Jaws. I specifically wanted an independent graphics card
in order to free up the processor so I can do the things I need to do with
minimal lags.

I use Microsoft Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Outlook (Including calendar), and
whatever else I need to work with and can access. I also test websites and
some accessibility ttools, though I haven't found any that I like yet.

I feel like I'm writing for a job application. Lol! But I hope this helps
you, Andrew, in your decision for a new laptop. Good luck.

Zel
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2019 2:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

That was going to be my comment as well, if all you do is run Windows 10 and
maybe Office and you mostly store documents and not thousands and thousands
of pictures or, even worse, videos there is probably no need for anything
larger. Having said this when it comes to price and what you get for it a
500Gb or, as some manufacturers specify, a 512Gb SSD seems to be in the
sweet spot right now.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 9:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective.
I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD.
Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case.
Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all?
I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail, open some
web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and listen to some
MP3 audio.
All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs


A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much. I think he was
dipping into some sort of sauce. I received what I was told was a
refurbished Win 10 computer with 250 Gs hard drive. It turned out to
be a windows 7 originally and you could make dinner by the time it booted
up.
Thus, I agree with Feliciano.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G
Sent: August 24, 2019 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

I suggest you upgrade to a 512 GB solid-state drive.

Feliciano
For tech tips and updates:
LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v
those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the
ones who do. -Steve Jobs

On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Andrew Diederick
<andrew.diederick@...>
wrote:

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of
these
specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should
make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew









moderated Re: JAWS and phone in the same input

Rick Mladek
 

Plantronics does offer a duel channel headphone where you can listen to jaws
on one side and the individual on the phone, on the other. I do have this
exact headset and it works excellently.

Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 9:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS and phone in the same input

Still looking for a way for someone to hear/speak into the phone and also
listen to JAWS at the same time. Will Plantronics do this, does anyone
know?

thanks

moderated Re: Changing Jaws Key

Zel Iscel
 

Oh, I just found it. Sorry to bother you. And thank you very much for your help.

Cheers

Zel

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2019 9:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Changing Jaws Key

 

Thanks Randy.

 Following your instructions, I get the option of insert, capslock or scroll lock. When I chose the insert key, it only allows me to use the key above delete. I was hoping to use the insert key at the bottom row, to the left of the delete key. Is there any way I can specify which insert key I want?

 

Cheers

Zel

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Saturday, 24 August 2019 3:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Changing Jaws Key

 

Hi, press jaws key plus 6 then press ctrl plus shift plus D for the jaws default settings, then in the search field type jaws key Then tab once and down arrow once then press space bar until you get the key you want for the Jaws key.

On 8/22/2019 11:46 AM, Zel Iscel wrote:

Hi all,

 

By default, if you set the keyboard layout to desktop, you should be able to use the insert key. However, in desktop layout my PC still only allows me to use the capslock key as the Jaws key. I know you can manually change the Jaws key but can’t remember how to do it. Can anyone please remind me?

Kind regards

Zel

moderated JAWS and phone in the same input

Ann Byrne
 

Still looking for a way for someone to hear/speak into the phone and also listen to JAWS at the same time. Will Plantronics do this, does anyone know?

thanks

moderated Re: Changing Jaws Key

Zel Iscel
 

Thanks Randy.

 Following your instructions, I get the option of insert, capslock or scroll lock. When I chose the insert key, it only allows me to use the key above delete. I was hoping to use the insert key at the bottom row, to the left of the delete key. Is there any way I can specify which insert key I want?

 

Cheers

Zel

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Saturday, 24 August 2019 3:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Changing Jaws Key

 

Hi, press jaws key plus 6 then press ctrl plus shift plus D for the jaws default settings, then in the search field type jaws key Then tab once and down arrow once then press space bar until you get the key you want for the Jaws key.

On 8/22/2019 11:46 AM, Zel Iscel wrote:

Hi all,

 

By default, if you set the keyboard layout to desktop, you should be able to use the insert key. However, in desktop layout my PC still only allows me to use the capslock key as the Jaws key. I know you can manually change the Jaws key but can’t remember how to do it. Can anyone please remind me?

Kind regards

Zel

moderated Re: Reading notes in PowerPoint

Zel Iscel
 

Hi Anne,

Press alt and w similtaniously, then t. Press alt and w, then l to get back to the normal view.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2019 11:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading notes in PowerPoint

The PowerPoint presentation I am looking at says "has notes". When I press shift-ctrl-n to read the notes, JAWS just says "press f6 or shift-f6". No notes read. How do I get JAWS to read the stinkin' notes?

thanks,

Ann

moderated Re: New computer specs

Zel Iscel
 

Hi all,

Until recently, I always bought computers with i5 processors but I find they often lag and Outlook seems to open and close itself regularly, which is very annoying!

I usually have several docs and several apps open at the same time so a couple of weeks ago I bought a laptop with an I7 processor and 16 gb ram. It seems to be working well with minimal lags.

I was considering Dell Latitude and the Lenovo models but they didn't have all the keys on the keyboard. None of the Lenovo models had an apps key and I can't remember which key Dell didn't have.

In the end I settled for The ruggedised HP ProBook 640 G4 with 16GB RAM and upgraded warranty. It has an I7 processor, 16 gb ram, 512 gb SSD storage, 15 hours battery life, NVDIA graphics card, and all the keys (except a numpad which I don't need anyway).

It's a little heavier than I was hoping for at 1.8 kg but I'm willing to sacrifice the weight for a long battery life and an independent graphics card. NVDIA and AMD are apparently the only two independent graphics cards that work well with Jaws. I specifically wanted an independent graphics card in order to free up the processor so I can do the things I need to do with minimal lags.

I use Microsoft Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Outlook (Including calendar), and whatever else I need to work with and can access. I also test websites and some accessibility ttools, though I haven't found any that I like yet.

I feel like I'm writing for a job application. Lol! But I hope this helps you, Andrew, in your decision for a new laptop. Good luck.

Zel

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2019 2:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

That was going to be my comment as well, if all you do is run Windows 10 and maybe Office and you mostly store documents and not thousands and thousands of pictures or, even worse, videos there is probably no need for anything larger. Having said this when it comes to price and what you get for it a 500Gb or, as some manufacturers specify, a 512Gb SSD seems to be in the sweet spot right now.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 9:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

The suggestion about a 500 GB SSD is totally subjective.
I've seen folks who never use more than 80 to 10 GB of their HD.
Too often people think bigger is better and that is not always the case.
Also, when you look at all the high specs, what are you doing with it all?
I mean, I'll bet 90% of us here don't do any more than read eMail, open some web pages, open a spread sheet program once in a while, and listen to some
MP3 audio.
All this can be done with 10 year old technology just fine.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & his pack of dogs " <myguidedogis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: New computer specs


A tech told me anything over 8 Gigs of ram is too much. I think he was
dipping into some sort of sauce. I received what I was told was a
refurbished Win 10 computer with 250 Gs hard drive. It turned out to
be a windows 7 originally and you could make dinner by the time it booted up.
Thus, I agree with Feliciano.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Feliciano G
Sent: August 24, 2019 9:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New computer specs

I suggest you upgrade to a 512 GB solid-state drive.

Feliciano
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On Aug 24, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Andrew Diederick
<andrew.diederick@...>
wrote:

Hello all.
Looking to purchase a new dell laptop computer. Here are the specs:
I9 processor
16 GB ram
256 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

I would like this computer to last me about six years. Are all of
these
specs acceptable for running JFW? Is there anything else that I should
make certain a new laptop has for JFW use?
Appreciate any advise.

Thank you-
Andrew